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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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Really there are alot of errors but honestly they could all probably be explained through the stuff that ONI and the UNSC keeps quiet i mean if you read through Halsley's journal there are alot of things that are left blank or that are pretty much blacked out. Not to mention the two missing pages in the journal, who knows what those were about

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Well for the most part (I'm only going to use stuff in Halsey's journal cuz I don't have the other books with me) Halsey quoted on the 20th of July alot of the people in power we're acting paranoid, then the next day Sorvad told her of a latchkey discovery, two days later the CRH lost communications. Idk bout you guys but I think we should look into that more because like she says later "a series of coincidences usually aren't coincidence." On the 24 she heard a rumor of NOBLE's deployment, but the part people conveniently missed is that she also was receiving reports of various atmospheric anomalies along with radar and slipspace monitoring glitches. These events (I don't know why it's important) can't be related to what happened at Sigma. Two days later we have the events of SWORD base,

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* After discovering Reach, the Covenant move on to glass the other planets in the system, including Tribute, resulting in the prolonged Battle of Tribute.
* During the Battle of Tribute, SPARTAN-II Team Black is sent to Verge to destroy a Covenant Beacon supplying helium-3 to the ships laying siege on Tribute. The team successfully destroys the beacon.[11]
* After the mission on Verge, Fireteam Black is assigned to Operation: BLOWBACK, a covert mission in Covenant-occupied space. Their ship, as well as a Covenant carrier, crash-land on an unknown moon, igniting the Battle of Line Installation 1-4.

This (from halopedia) bridges to Aug 12 when Keyes enters the system, the next day all forces are recalled and stated two arrive in two days. Tho on the 11th the mission NIghtfall happens. The nest mission the day after. I assume that by now word is getting out that the covies are here. On the 14th is LNoS and on the 18th NA is attacked. Six arrives on the 24th on foot (prob after doing over things). After the glassing it takes two days for NOBLE to get picked up and on the 29th they head out to destroy SWORD and the battle of reach ends the way we know it.

From the journal and TFoR we know that Halsey was multitasking and rushing to finish getting Cort-2 ready to update the original, while also trying to rush and set off RED FLAG. I don't think you guy know how important that OP was, it was called off the last second because there was no way they could pull it off by then. It was to end the war and the TPTB would of stopped at nothing to keep it moving.

Oh a small point to add to the beginning, I think that there was a signal or pulse sent out (most likely from the relay) and that's why the covies hit it. I find it odd that they came in Three main waves but this makes sense, the covies came in the order the the info was received as the info isn't instantaneous. First came scouts who asked for back up then the crew straight from the boss. This was because there wasn't info that this was a human place until the evidence lead to it. When it comes down to it the tragic events on reach laid on ONI, if this info came out (or any other leading to it)it would lead to huge backlash among the colonies (as stated in the intro). /end rant

Maybe I read way into it but that's my thoughts and be happy I stopped myself...

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Damn beat me to it before I finished my rant lol

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Posted by: grey101
4.Still wouldn't be able to get in the system without be detected getting out of slipspace, and it would take far too long to drift in the system.


Reading through Halsey's journal last night and something caught my eye.

Meanwhile, receiving scattered data from the usual suspects concerning atmospheric anomalies along with radar and slipspace monitoring glitches. Compared these events to those recorded near Sigma Octanus. No match.

Still, a series of coincidences usually aren't coincidence.


Dated July 24th, shortly before Noble went to Visegrad. So, UNSC monitoring stations did pick something up. Just thought I'd point that out.

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Posted by: grey101
The ships getting into the system in the first place

1 relay of 3 being taken out disabling the entire region

A mile long SC going undetected in the system

The spires being dropped unto the planet undetected

reinforcements being called in (which implies ships were destroyed) to stop the LNoS.



I'd hardly call these errors, unanswered questions that should be answered definitely, but how can those even be called errors O_o

1. We don't know what exactly the extent of the Covenant's ability to sneak is, obviously they have some damn good stealth technology as we saw in Headhunters with that Elite kill squad or whatever they were, they had been there the whole time and the two Headhunters never even knew they were there...and these were infantry, if the Covenant can do that for their infantry I don't even want to know how well they can hid their ships.

2. For a military planet such as Reach losing even one relay is "srs biznez". And what makes you think Visegrad wasn't one of the more important of the three you mentioned? If I were the Covenant that's what I would have gone after and it would definitely make communications with the rest of the colonies much more difficult.

3. Again, we don't know what the extent of Covenant stealth technology is, we have a taste with Reach, but we don't know its true extent. And honestly I don't think the UNSC's equipment for detecting such things exactly what everybody makes it out to be, especially by what the games would indicate.

4. The way I've begun to think is the Covenant took out Visegrad Relay in order to buy them time to slip the beginnings of their equipment in, such as the Spires and the Supercarrier, if communications are knocked out, even if the UNSC did pick them up their ability to spread the word and prepare a proper defense would be heavily impaired due to the communications black-out. Or the other option is that the UNSC simply overlooked them as meteor strikes or earthquakes.

5. Um...why exactly would you consider calling for reinforcements due to the threat presented by the Long Night of Solace an error? O_o

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5. Um...why exactly would you consider calling for reinforcements due to the threat presented by the Long Night of Solace an error? O_o


This is a problem because it means that the fleet that is constantly patrolling Reach was routed along with having its orbital defenses breached by a single Super Carrier and its contingent of Corvettes, the latter of which is combat ineffective against UNSC ships. So the reality of the matter becomes that humanity's impregnable fortress was breached by a single ship. This is not even counting said ship slipping into the system undetected, but instead the fact that this ship crushed the local fleet protecting Reach.

There should be around a hundred or so ships give or take a few in system to protect Reach at a moments notice, yet by the time the LNoS makes an appearance on the scene those said ships are nowhere to be found. Instead 60% of the UNSC fleet had to be recalled to Reach to defend it with the nearest battlegroup being two whole days away.

It only took the Autumn approximately an hour and a half (from 0400 hours-0534 hours Time stamp from chapter 29 and 33) to return to Reach's battlespace from the system's edge, and that was including the time spent dealing with a covenant ship on the way back. Yet, as the dialogue in the LNoS opening cutscene states, the nearest battlegroup is 48 hours away. No distractions in system like the Autumn either considering the only threat is the LNoS operating around Reach. So that means all ships that were already in system responded to the threat on Reach... and subsequently failed to take it out.

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Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey, several members including me describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?

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Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?


Considering the extreme lack of proper action in the face of the Covenant that is slowly coming to light over the course of recent conversation it makes the 'ONI propaganda' angle less likely as well. Unless of course the point of the propaganda was to demonstrate to the public what an incompetent organization the UNSC is in the face of a relatively minute force on what was supposedly their greatest military world protecting Earth's metaphorical doorstep....

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Posted by: raganok99
Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?


Considering the extreme lack of proper action in the face of the Covenant that is slowly coming to light over the course of recent conversation it makes the 'ONI propaganda' angle less likely as well. Unless of course the point of the propaganda was to demonstrate to the public what an incompetent organization the UNSC is in the face of a relatively minute force on what was supposedly their greatest military world protecting Earth's metaphorical doorstep....


It's possible that ONI would want to cover up "true" losses that Humanity had at Reach. How would citizens at Earth feel when they learn about over 150 warships with 20 ODPs, with 300 million military personnel plus loads of civilians living at Reach just died to Covenant onslaught in a day? It would surely hurt or worse, cripple the moral of entire humanity, make them lose any hope of winning the war thus hurting UNSC's war capabilities severely and Covenant would have won. So, that's why I'm sticking with ONI theory because of that and would help to explain those inconsistencies/errors as mere "made up."

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Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?


Considering the extreme lack of proper action in the face of the Covenant that is slowly coming to light over the course of recent conversation it makes the 'ONI propaganda' angle less likely as well. Unless of course the point of the propaganda was to demonstrate to the public what an incompetent organization the UNSC is in the face of a relatively minute force on what was supposedly their greatest military world protecting Earth's metaphorical doorstep....


It's possible that ONI would want to cover up "true" losses that Humanity had at Reach. How would citizens at Earth feel when they learn about over 150 warships with 20 ODPs, with 300 million military personnel plus loads of civilians living at Reach just died to Covenant onslaught in a day? It would surely hurt or worse, cripple the moral of entire humanity, make them lose any hope of winning the war thus hurting UNSC's war capabilities severely and Covenant would have won. So, that's why I'm sticking with ONI theory because of that and would help to explain those inconsistencies/errors as mere "made up."

So their idea of lessening the blow is by drawing out the casualties over the course of a month. Casualties that occurred mainly due to incompetence on the part of the UNSC to effectively deploy its forces against an initially outnumbered enemy?

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Posted by: raganok99
Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?


Considering the extreme lack of proper action in the face of the Covenant that is slowly coming to light over the course of recent conversation it makes the 'ONI propaganda' angle less likely as well. Unless of course the point of the propaganda was to demonstrate to the public what an incompetent organization the UNSC is in the face of a relatively minute force on what was supposedly their greatest military world protecting Earth's metaphorical doorstep....


It's possible that ONI would want to cover up "true" losses that Humanity had at Reach. How would citizens at Earth feel when they learn about over 150 warships with 20 ODPs, with 300 million military personnel plus loads of civilians living at Reach just died to Covenant onslaught in a day? It would surely hurt or worse, cripple the moral of entire humanity, make them lose any hope of winning the war thus hurting UNSC's war capabilities severely and Covenant would have won. So, that's why I'm sticking with ONI theory because of that and would help to explain those inconsistencies/errors as mere "made up."

So their idea of lessening the blow is by drawing out the casualties over the course of a month. Casualties that occurred mainly due to incompetence on the part of the UNSC to effectively deploy its forces against an initially outnumbered enemy?


In some extent, yes. You don't know ONI are capable to doing like this big. Since ONI are "sneaky" bastards, :P

  • 06.30.2011 8:02 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey, several members including me describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?


This whole ONI propaganda theory just doesn't cut it for some of the fans. I refuse to believe that ONI stated that one ship was able to bypass Reach's defenses.
What purpose does that serve? Also I guess that means that Halsey's journal never actually happened.

We don't know what kind of technology the LNoS was outfitted with, we don't know how UNSC comm stations work, we don't know when the LNoS got to Reach (sometime before ToTS), and we don't know how the spires were put in place.

But I agree Bungie was either very lazy or were just being very oblivious when making Reach to give it all this wiggle room but just because one person tries to say, "This isn't an actual error in the canon because..." doesn't make them a fanboy/girl. Saying that it's all just ONI propaganda is just the easy way out. I am determined that I can make sense of Reach and fit in with the fall of Reach and that doesn't make me a "Reach Fanboy".

Also don't go around insulting other people for no reason. We are all fans of Halo and have invested a good amount of time and money into it. We all come to the forums for the same purpose,to discuss Halo canon with other fans of the franchise. (Although I think I may have violated this rule a couple times so I'm no better)

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  • 06.30.2011 9:04 PM PDT


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First of all parts of this post made no sense at all(grammatically).

Speak for yourself. You're guilty of it too...

Second this whole ONI propaganda theory just doesn't cut it for some of the fans. I refuse to believe that ONI stated that one ship was able to bypass Reach's defenses.
What purpose does that serve? Also I guess that means that Halsey's journal never actually happened.

Halsey's journal was a poor attempt at trying to reconciling the two mediums. It was a terrible job.

As for the ONI propaganda, it's a convenient way for 343(possibly) to say that the game's plot was bad. Thus, handwave it alway. Not the best solution, but one that satisfies a certain base.

We don't know what kind of technology the LNoS was outfitted with, we don't know how UNSC comm stations work, we don't know when the LNoS got to Reach (sometime before ToTS), and we don't know how the spires were put in place.
You haven't been around much have you. There have been many threads discussing this.
1)The UNSC have extensive monitoring systems, especially for Reach's system. And guess what, they can detect Covenant ships easily and quite early too.
2) The Covenant SC's magical cloak isn't quite that magical. You can't cloak a 27km ship for various scientific and logical reasons, ie, heat signature, physical distortions, and oh wait, the numerous detection features of the security system for Reach, which the game magically portrayed the UNSC as an incompetent military force incapable of using their own equipment properly or any logical decisions at all.

I am determined that I can make sense of Reach and fit in with the fall of Reach and that doesn't make me a "Reach Fanboy".

There's a reason why this thread and dozens of others similar exist...If you've read the books prior to the game, then you would have realized how head-on retarded the game's plotline was.

Sure you can reconcile somewhat, but you'll ultimately end up with a poor quality story.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 9:21 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 9:17 PM PDT


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Speak for yourself. You're guilty of it too...

ya I took it out a little while ago, I'm pretty grammatically challenged myself haha.

Halsey's journal was a poor attempt at trying to reconciling the two mediums. It was a terrible job.

what I was trying to say that there was so much put into trying to make Reach fit into canon that it would be pretty stupid for 343 to just say it was ONI propaganda

You haven't been around much have you. There have been many threads discussing this.
1)The UNSC have extensive monitoring systems, especially for Reach's system. And guess what, they can detect Covenant ships easily and quite early too.
2) The Covenant SC's magical cloak isn't quite that magical. You can't cloak a 27km ship for various scientific and logical reasons, ie, heat signature, physical distortions, and oh wait, the numerous detection features of the security system for Reach, which the game magically portrayed the UNSC as an incompetent military force incapable of using their own equipment properly or any logical decisions at all.


1)I was talking about an earlier post that stated that it made no sense that an entire region was affected by visegrad being taken offline not the UNSC sensor relays
2)the stealth ship in TFoR wasn't detected by any of the sensor relays and the LNoS had spires supporting it and stealth pylons jamming all sensors on the ground.

[quote]There's a reason why this thread and dozens of others similar exist...If you've read the books prior to the game, then you would have realized how head-on retarded the game's plotline was.

Sure you can reconcile somewhat, but you'll ultimately end up with a poor quality story.



I have read read all of the other halo novels along with uprising and helljumpers and I am highly disappointed with the game's plotline and what it added to the canon but we can't do anything about it now. We just need to deal with it and make the best of it.


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Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Speak for yourself. You're guilty of it too...

ya I took it out a little while ago, I'm pretty grammatically challenged myself haha.

Halsey's journal was a poor attempt at trying to reconciling the two mediums. It was a terrible job.

what I was trying to say that there was so much put into trying to make Reach fit into canon that it would be pretty stupid for 343 to just say it was ONI propaganda

You haven't been around much have you. There have been many threads discussing this.
1)The UNSC have extensive monitoring systems, especially for Reach's system. And guess what, they can detect Covenant ships easily and quite early too.
2) The Covenant SC's magical cloak isn't quite that magical. You can't cloak a 27km ship for various scientific and logical reasons, ie, heat signature, physical distortions, and oh wait, the numerous detection features of the security system for Reach, which the game magically portrayed the UNSC as an incompetent military force incapable of using their own equipment properly or any logical decisions at all.


I was talking about an earlier post that stated that it made no sense that an entire region was affected by visegrad being taken offline not the UNSC sensor relays and the stealth ship in TFoR wasn't detected by any of the sensor relays and the LNoS had spires supporting it and stealth pylons jamming all sensors on the ground.

There's a reason why this thread and dozens of others similar exist...If you've read the books prior to the game, then you would have realized how head-on retarded the game's plotline was.

Sure you can reconcile somewhat, but you'll ultimately end up with a poor quality story.



I have read read all of the other halo novels along with uprising and helljumpers and I am highly disappointed with the game's plotline and what it added to the canon but we can't do anything about it now. We just need to deal with it and make the best of it.


Actually, Nope. It doesn't seem to be stupid for 343i to say it's ONI Propaganda. So, you have read all Halo novels, huh? And you acknowledged that Reach had bad plotline? All right, then what is point of trying to patch Reach into the canon universe? It will not work like that way because of those too many errors and inconsistencies that can't be simply explained.

And, a little thing about fanboy: they usually defend Reach, despite with canon breaking elements, inconsistencies and errors. Sometimes they can bring up some good points but it wouldn't work like that way. To implement Reach in canon, they would have to re-write entire HALO novels: Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx.


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Actually, Nope. It doesn't seem to be stupid for 343i to say it's ONI Propaganda. So, you have read all Halo novels, huh? And you acknowledged that Reach had bad plotline? All right, then what is point of trying to patch Reach into the canon universe? It will not work like that way because of those too many errors and inconsistencies that can't be simply explained.

And, a little thing about fanboy: they usually defend Reach, despite with canon breaking elements, inconsistencies and errors. Sometimes they can bring up some good points but it wouldn't work like that way. To implement Reach in canon, they would have to re-write entire HALO novels: Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx.




Because Bungie made it and I can't just simply say that it doesn't have any signifigance on the universe. And how does it conflict with First Strike or GoO?

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Posted by: immadchill


Actually, Nope. It doesn't seem to be stupid for 343i to say it's ONI Propaganda. So, you have read all Halo novels, huh? And you acknowledged that Reach had bad plotline? All right, then what is point of trying to patch Reach into the canon universe? It will not work like that way because of those too many errors and inconsistencies that can't be simply explained.

And, a little thing about fanboy: they usually defend Reach, despite with canon breaking elements, inconsistencies and errors. Sometimes they can bring up some good points but it wouldn't work like that way. To implement Reach in canon, they would have to re-write entire HALO novels: Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx.




Because Bungie made it and I can't just simply say that it doesn't have any significance on the universe. And how does it conflict with First Strike or GoO?


Timeline and SPARTAN-IIIs. I can explain more if I wanted to but I'll let other member to explain better for now.

And, yes, Bungie did make it but it's not attached to Halo anymore. 343i is now handling the Halo's future.

Sure, you can. It doesn't have to be official, just you don't need to use any sources from Halo: Reach to support your arguments or whatever, there's always other good sources to use for your arguments.

  • 06.30.2011 10:14 PM PDT

the whole spartan III thing really isn't an issue. Just look at the headhunters and also this should help

  • 06.30.2011 10:21 PM PDT

We fight for that which is lost in the hope that what is lost can be found.



Also, you do realize that the books are "optional" canon and are over-ridden by the game canon, right?


The books seem to depict the universe of Halo more effectively, I hold them in content with the games and Halo Reach is the one major piece of canon that just won't pop into place. It makes a mockery of three of the books.

For example: In the book Fall Of Reach, Orbital defense platforms ( a -blam!- load of 'em ), Ground operations were carried out by Spartan-IIs, Halsey was located in ONI CASTLE base, Halsey never came in contact with Spartan-IIIs on Reach.
The Pillar of Autumn was at the edje of the system preparing to jump when the covenant arrived ( not in a shipwrecking yard on reach ) Gamma station ( the multiplayer map condemned ) detected covenant forces before they arrived in system.

Halo First Strike: When Master Chief returns Admiral Whitcomb and the remaining Spartan-IIs have armed several NOVA bombs, One was picked up by covenant forces and detonated in orbit around a covenant controlled planet shattering its moon, burning the planets surface and destroyed all Covenant ships in orbit on one side of the planet, If the others remained on the planet, which they probably did, then there wouldnt be a Planet Reach after 2552 and certianly not in the 2580s like in the ending cinematic. Just before being evacuated, Halsey learns of a possible Spartan-III program by snooping in Ackerson's files after discovering that her files on her Spartan-IIs had been tapped by him. The forerunner arifact was under Castle base and not Sword base ( Sword base was never mentioned) It was a crystal that warped gravity and slipspace and gave off huge amounts of radiation. Not a store of data.

Ghosts of Onyx: As stated before, Alpha company was conpletely eradicated well exept for two, they were not members of noble.

Halo Evolutions Headhunters: Headhunter units were two man teams if I recall correctly, Not six nam squads

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Also, you do realize that the books are "optional" canon and are over-ridden by the game canon, right?


The books seem to depict the universe of Halo more effectively, I hold them in content with the games and Halo Reach is the one major piece of canon that just won't pop into place. It makes a mockery of three of the books.

For example: In the book Fall Of Reach, Orbital defense platforms ( a -blam!- load of 'em ), Ground operations were carried out by Spartan-IIs, Halsey was located in ONI CASTLE base, Halsey never came in contact with Spartan-IIIs on Reach.
The Pillar of Autumn was at the edje of the system preparing to jump when the covenant arrived ( not in a shipwrecking yard on reach ) Gamma station ( the multiplayer map condemned ) detected covenant forces before they arrived in system.

Halo First Strike: When Master Chief returns Admiral Whitcomb and the remaining Spartan-IIs have armed several NOVA bombs, One was picked up by covenant forces and detonated in orbit around a covenant controlled planet shattering its moon, burning the planets surface and destroyed all Covenant ships in orbit on one side of the planet, If the others remained on the planet, which they probably did, then there wouldnt be a Planet Reach after 2552 and certianly not in the 2580s like in the ending cinematic. Just before being evacuated, Halsey learns of a possible Spartan-III program by snooping in Ackerson's files after discovering that her files on her Spartan-IIs had been tapped by him. The forerunner arifact was under Castle base and not Sword base ( Sword base was never mentioned) It was a crystal that warped gravity and slipspace and gave off huge amounts of radiation. Not a store of data.

Ghosts of Onyx: As stated before, Alpha company was conpletely eradicated well exept for two, they were not members of noble.

Halo Evolutions Headhunters: Headhunter units were two man teams if I recall correctly, Not six nam squads


This is what I am talking about, Halo: Reach broke the canon with three novels, THREE! That is why that Reach should be not considered as canon OR used as ONI propaganda, whether is acceptable for me.

And whoever said that books are "optional" canon and will/always be overriden by game canon, perhaps whoever doesn't understand that books gave birth of Halo universe, it is what it defined the Halo universe. Halo trilogy is simply based on Master Chief's heroic actions and few notable characters were involved. Books are more much more than that, and they are also large contributors to the Halo universe and gave us true perspective of how those humanity struggled against the Covenant's onslaught. I'm sorry but I prefer Halo: Fall of Reach over this Reach version (game). At least it makes sense to me, anyway.

And oh wait, now apparently that canon policy doesn't exist anymore since Bungie is giving up Halo to 343i which 343i would implement their own canon policy... interesting!

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  • 07.01.2011 1:47 AM PDT

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What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?

  • 07.01.2011 5:17 AM PDT

I like Call of Duty and Gears of War, AND Halo. Why must everyone else like only one or the other?

I don't understand why people are trying to defend Reach's obvious rewrite of canon as though it actually can fit with previous canon. Why can't you just say, "Yeah, Reach did completely change a lot of previously established canon?" Instead of taking the position of "Halsey's journal explains most of the errors, and the rest are easily explainable." (Quite frankly, her journal hardly explains anything in terms of Reach canon changes, and the rest are not explainable in any way that I've yet to see)

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  • 07.01.2011 6:54 AM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
The ships getting into the system in the first place

1 relay of 3 being taken out disabling the entire region

A mile long SC going undetected in the system

The spires being dropped unto the planet undetected

reinforcements being called in (which implies ships were destroyed) to stop the LNoS.



I'd hardly call these errors, unanswered questions that should be answered definitely, but how can those even be called errors O_o

1. We don't know what exactly the extent of the Covenant's ability to sneak is, obviously they have some damn good stealth technology as we saw in Headhunters with that Elite kill squad or whatever they were.


It was cloaked? Even better!!!!!


So somehow a mile long ship was able to get past all the slipspace monitoring stations of humanity's Strongest and most fortified fortress, It then somehow was able to cloak! despite this contradicting everything we know about the covenant and not to mention the UNSC sensors and ships would be able to detect the [b] enormous amount of heat from said ship.
But somehow they didn't! The entire reach fleet was destroyed by 1 ship despite and reinforcements were called in despite the planet not being under attack and the UNSC not having communications or knowing about this.



You idiots should know that supporting "this version" of reach just makes both sides look utterly stupid. The UNSC has to be the dumbest Faction of race in Sc-Fi if it was so God-damn easy for a covenant super carrier to completely siege reach all by itself for a month.Not to mention if the UNSC decided that it was "smarter" to have a SMAC aim at the planet to destroy one shield-less Covenant corvette than send in a frigate or squadron of longswords then they are @@itty tacticians and i don't see how they have lasted in this war.

The UNSC should now be pushed lower on the overall technological tier if their ships do not have thermal sensors to detect a mile long ship just dicking around in orbit for a month.
Speaking of technology If i can destroy 1 of 3 relays for the planet to be completely black then they are stupid engineers .


NOW LETS WORK ON THE COVENANT !!!!

This race must be the dumbest conglomerate of aliens if they decide to use 1 cloaked ship at the end of the war and never use them again. So after 27 years of fighting now you decide to use ships with camo? whats wrong you got tired of losing ships in space that you could easily replace? Hey truth "why didn't you just give all your ships camo so that way you would lose far less ships in space"? seriously, if you had camo all along you could have won at harvest,Groombridge,XI Bootus A or any other engagement you lost in space.

SMAC rounds knocking you down at earth?GO CAMO, Schism over high charity GO CA-- wait the covenant has thermal sensors and the brutes would notice you?
I didn't know that you had to be space faring for over 3,000 years to think think thermal sensors were a good idea and sense you have them we can assume the forerunners did also since you get everything from them.

Am i done yet? No no not at all; see i just got off the phone with regret and he told me (in his mystical voice) that they found reach to be the most important engagement so they used their one cloaked SC on reach, boy was that a funny convo. He Told me that he knew truth was going to get ride of him so he wasted the on SC that could go camo which turns out to be the reason truth [b]did
want to kill him.


Really people, your degrading the haloverse if you are supporting this

  • 07.01.2011 7:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?

  • 07.01.2011 7:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?


not a huge deal

  • 07.01.2011 7:08 AM PDT

I love the entire Halo series, Halo 2 being my favorite of the games. I think that the universe is compelling and the story is deep, sweeping, and powerful. The hidden layers in the Halo trilogy and rich details of the backstory in the novels are something I love to be lost in, and im greatly looking forward to the story that Halo: Reach will weave. Bungie has carefully and lovingly crafted a mythic tale that will stay etched in my mind until the end.


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Posted by: raganok99
Most of unexplainable errors in the Reach can be only explained as long it is ONI Propaganda. At least this theory makes sense, I guess.

And Ordercoma, perhaps you don't understand but those thing as Grey describes are ERRORS. Why you're trying to defending the Reach, as we know that you're just a fanboy/girl of Reach?

Let me ask you a question, how long you have been with Halo?


Considering the extreme lack of proper action in the face of the Covenant that is slowly coming to light over the course of recent conversation it makes the 'ONI propaganda' angle less likely as well. Unless of course the point of the propaganda was to demonstrate to the public what an incompetent organization the UNSC is in the face of a relatively minute force on what was supposedly their greatest military world protecting Earth's metaphorical doorstep....


It's possible that ONI would want to cover up "true" losses that Humanity had at Reach. How would citizens at Earth feel when they learn about over 150 warships with 20 ODPs, with 300 million military personnel plus loads of civilians living at Reach just died to Covenant onslaught in a day? It would surely hurt or worse, cripple the moral of entire humanity, make them lose any hope of winning the war thus hurting UNSC's war capabilities severely and Covenant would have won. So, that's why I'm sticking with ONI theory because of that and would help to explain those inconsistencies/errors as mere "made up."

So their idea of lessening the blow is by drawing out the casualties over the course of a month. Casualties that occurred mainly due to incompetence on the part of the UNSC to effectively deploy its forces against an initially outnumbered enemy?


In some extent, yes. You don't know ONI are capable to doing like this big. Since ONI are "sneaky" bastards, :P


Using the old excuse "ONI covered it up" seems to me like a great way to actually cover up plot holes.

  • 07.01.2011 7:12 AM PDT