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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?


not a huge deal
Brakes canon.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: siggibiggy

Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?


not a huge deal
Brakes canon.


a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

  • 07.01.2011 7:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: siggibiggy


Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.


I agree, but it does not break canon

  • 07.01.2011 7:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: siggibiggy


Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.


I agree, but it does not break canon
What you think about MA37 in Reach then? Would that brake canon?

And you can actully see the text while holding the weapon.(MA37)

[Edited on 07.01.2011 7:45 AM PDT]

  • 07.01.2011 7:36 AM PDT


Posted by: siggibiggy

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: siggibiggy


Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.


I agree, but it does not break canon
What you think about MA37 in Reach then? Would that brake canon?

And you can actully see the text while holding the weapon.(MA37)


seriously dude it doesn't break canon at all. It's the army verions of the MA5 I don't see the problem.

[Edited on 07.01.2011 9:08 AM PDT]

  • 07.01.2011 9:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

[/quote]It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.[/quote]

I agree, but it does not break canon[/quote]What you think about MA37 in Reach then? Would that brake canon?

And you can actully see the text while holding the weapon.(MA37)[/quote]

seriously dude it doesn't break canon at all. It's the army verions of the MA5 I don't see the problem.
The problem is that it's supposed to be the army version of MA5B right? And the army call it MA37 right? Then why does it say MA5C on the gun in game?

  • 07.01.2011 9:23 AM PDT


Posted by: siggibiggy

Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

[/quote]It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.[/quote]

I agree, but it does not break canon[/quote]What you think about MA37 in Reach then? Would that brake canon?

And you can actully see the text while holding the weapon.(MA37)[/quote]

seriously dude it doesn't break canon at all. It's the army verions of the MA5 I don't see the problem.
The problem is that it's supposed to be the army version of MA5B right? And the army call it MA37 right? Then why does it say MA5C on the gun in game?


No it's the army version of the MA5C and on the gun it says MA5C MK IV which is another designation of the MA37. The MA5C you use in Halo 3 is the MA5C ICWS. And even if you were right it isn't a problem with canon. Its just an extremely minor problem with the game which couldn't be changed.

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Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: siggibiggy

Posted by: siggibiggy
What about the MA37 ingame begin called MA5C?[/quote][/quote]

not a huge deal[/quote]Brakes canon.[/quote]

a mislabel does not "break canon" it is just a little error.

I hate new people throwing "canon" around.

[/quote]It's still easy to change, i think. And should be too. Even if it's just a little error.[/quote]

I agree, but it does not break canon[/quote]What you think about MA37 in Reach then? Would that brake canon?

And you can actully see the text while holding the weapon.(MA37)[/quote]

seriously dude it doesn't break canon at all. It's the army verions of the MA5 I don't see the problem.
The problem is that it's supposed to be the army version of MA5B right? And the army call it MA37 right? Then why does it say MA5C on the gun in game?


No it's the army version of the MA5C and on the gun it says MA5C MK IV which is another designation of the MA37. The MA5C you use in Halo 3 is the MA5C ICWS. And even if you were right it isn't a problem with canon. Its just an extremely minor problem with the game which couldn't be changed.


I don't even know why this guy continues to bring up the assault rifle thing. Both Army and Navy use the MA5 assault rifles. The only difference is the designation they give said assault rifles. The actual designation itself does not matter. Complaining that the MA37 has MA5C labeled on it is pointless because for all intents and purposes they both function exactly the same way in magazine size, accuracy, and stopping power. Arguing the label difference is like arguing the difference between the MP44 and the StG44. There is no difference. Just different labeling to fit for convenience sake for the same exact gun.

Also before that siggi guy gets to ranting about that point in this thread as he has in the other. The MA5B is not the same as the MA5C or MA37 in the sense that it has the capacity for a larger magazine size, less accuracy, and different stopping power. Despite the yellow stripe in the CEA trailer anyone can eyes can already see that, placeholder or not, the rifle already holds more than 32 rounds and fires far more wildly than the ones in Reach or Halo 3.

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Posted by: grey101

It was cloaked? Even better!!!!!


So somehow a mile long ship was able to get past all the slipspace monitoring stations of humanity's Strongest and most fortified fortress, It then somehow was able to cloak! despite this contradicting everything we know about the covenant and not to mention the UNSC sensors and ships would be able to detect the [b] enormous amount of heat from said ship.
But somehow they didn't! The entire reach fleet was destroyed by 1 ship despite and reinforcements were called in despite the planet not being under attack and the UNSC not having communications or knowing about this.



You idiots should know that supporting "this version" of reach just makes both sides look utterly stupid. The UNSC has to be the dumbest Faction of race in Sc-Fi if it was so God-damn easy for a covenant super carrier to completely siege reach all by itself for a month.Not to mention if the UNSC decided that it was "smarter" to have a SMAC aim at the planet to destroy one shield-less Covenant corvette than send in a frigate or squadron of longswords then they are @@itty tacticians and i don't see how they have lasted in this war.

The UNSC should now be pushed lower on the overall technological tier if their ships do not have thermal sensors to detect a mile long ship just dicking around in orbit for a month.
Speaking of technology If i can destroy 1 of 3 relays for the planet to be completely black then they are stupid engineers .


NOW LETS WORK ON THE COVENANT !!!!

This race must be the dumbest conglomerate of aliens if they decide to use 1 cloaked ship at the end of the war and never use them again. So after 27 years of fighting now you decide to use ships with camo? whats wrong you got tired of losing ships in space that you could easily replace? Hey truth "why didn't you just give all your ships camo so that way you would lose far less ships in space"? seriously, if you had camo all along you could have won at harvest,Groombridge,XI Bootus A or any other engagement you lost in space.

SMAC rounds knocking you down at earth?GO CAMO, Schism over high charity GO CA-- wait the covenant has thermal sensors and the brutes would notice you?
I didn't know that you had to be space faring for over 3,000 years to think think thermal sensors were a good idea and sense you have them we can assume the forerunners did also since you get everything from them.

Am i done yet? No no not at all; see i just got off the phone with regret and he told me (in his mystical voice) that they found reach to be the most important engagement so they used their one cloaked SC on reach, boy was that a funny convo. He Told me that he knew truth was going to get ride of him so he wasted the on SC that could go camo which turns out to be the reason truth [b]did
want to kill him.


Really people, your degrading the haloverse if you are supporting this


This.

Anybody who support the version of Reach, is degrading the Halo universe. I don't understand how those guys/girls still defend the version of reach despite of breaking canon, etc because they just like this version of reach better than this tFoR version? That's idiotic. tFoR version is much better, and it won't be short campaign, I assure you. I can bet that most of halo players here and another locations may never read tFoR so if they followed tFoR version, most of people would still find it fun in another way.

It is why I don't consider Halo: Reach canon anymore or call it as "ONI cover up" theory.

[Edited on 07.01.2011 2:09 PM PDT]

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: grey101

It was cloaked? Even better!!!!!


So somehow a mile long ship was able to get past all the slipspace monitoring stations of humanity's Strongest and most fortified fortress, It then somehow was able to cloak! despite this contradicting everything we know about the covenant and not to mention the UNSC sensors and ships would be able to detect the [b] enormous amount of heat from said ship.
But somehow they didn't! The entire reach fleet was destroyed by 1 ship despite and reinforcements were called in despite the planet not being under attack and the UNSC not having communications or knowing about this.



You idiots should know that supporting "this version" of reach just makes both sides look utterly stupid. The UNSC has to be the dumbest Faction of race in Sc-Fi if it was so God-damn easy for a covenant super carrier to completely siege reach all by itself for a month.Not to mention if the UNSC decided that it was "smarter" to have a SMAC aim at the planet to destroy one shield-less Covenant corvette than send in a frigate or squadron of longswords then they are @@itty tacticians and i don't see how they have lasted in this war.

The UNSC should now be pushed lower on the overall technological tier if their ships do not have thermal sensors to detect a mile long ship just dicking around in orbit for a month.
Speaking of technology If i can destroy 1 of 3 relays for the planet to be completely black then they are stupid engineers .


NOW LETS WORK ON THE COVENANT !!!!

This race must be the dumbest conglomerate of aliens if they decide to use 1 cloaked ship at the end of the war and never use them again. So after 27 years of fighting now you decide to use ships with camo? whats wrong you got tired of losing ships in space that you could easily replace? Hey truth "why didn't you just give all your ships camo so that way you would lose far less ships in space"? seriously, if you had camo all along you could have won at harvest,Groombridge,XI Bootus A or any other engagement you lost in space.

SMAC rounds knocking you down at earth?GO CAMO, Schism over high charity GO CA-- wait the covenant has thermal sensors and the brutes would notice you?
I didn't know that you had to be space faring for over 3,000 years to think think thermal sensors were a good idea and sense you have them we can assume the forerunners did also since you get everything from them.

Am i done yet? No no not at all; see i just got off the phone with regret and he told me (in his mystical voice) that they found reach to be the most important engagement so they used their one cloaked SC on reach, boy was that a funny convo. He Told me that he knew truth was going to get ride of him so he wasted the on SC that could go camo which turns out to be the reason truth [b]did
want to kill him.


Really people, your degrading the haloverse if you are supporting this


This.

Anybody who support the version of Reach, is degrading the Halo universe. I don't understand how those guys/girls still defend the version of reach despite of breaking canon, etc because they just like this version of reach better than this tFoR version? That's idiotic. tFoR version is much better, and it won't be short campaign, I assure you. I can bet that most of halo players here and another locations may never read tFoR so if they followed tFoR version, most of people would still find it fun in another way.

It is why I don't consider Halo: Reach canon anymore or call it as "ONI cover up" theory.


A direct adaptation of The Fall of Reach would make for a terrible gameplay campaign considering the only on foot mission in it 'on' (more like at) Reach would be Blue team's operation on Gamma station...

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Which is why you could base it around first strike or keep it inline with the book but around a different engagement on the planet.

I would like to know which level takes place AFTER the battle of reach because bungie said that the game takes place during and after reach

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: grey101

It was cloaked? Even better!!!!!


So somehow a mile long ship was able to get past all the slipspace monitoring stations of humanity's Strongest and most fortified fortress, It then somehow was able to cloak! despite this contradicting everything we know about the covenant and not to mention the UNSC sensors and ships would be able to detect the [b] enormous amount of heat from said ship.
But somehow they didn't! The entire reach fleet was destroyed by 1 ship despite and reinforcements were called in despite the planet not being under attack and the UNSC not having communications or knowing about this.



You idiots should know that supporting "this version" of reach just makes both sides look utterly stupid. The UNSC has to be the dumbest Faction of race in Sc-Fi if it was so God-damn easy for a covenant super carrier to completely siege reach all by itself for a month.Not to mention if the UNSC decided that it was "smarter" to have a SMAC aim at the planet to destroy one shield-less Covenant corvette than send in a frigate or squadron of longswords then they are @@itty tacticians and i don't see how they have lasted in this war.

The UNSC should now be pushed lower on the overall technological tier if their ships do not have thermal sensors to detect a mile long ship just dicking around in orbit for a month.
Speaking of technology If i can destroy 1 of 3 relays for the planet to be completely black then they are stupid engineers .


NOW LETS WORK ON THE COVENANT !!!!

This race must be the dumbest conglomerate of aliens if they decide to use 1 cloaked ship at the end of the war and never use them again. So after 27 years of fighting now you decide to use ships with camo? whats wrong you got tired of losing ships in space that you could easily replace? Hey truth "why didn't you just give all your ships camo so that way you would lose far less ships in space"? seriously, if you had camo all along you could have won at harvest,Groombridge,XI Bootus A or any other engagement you lost in space.

SMAC rounds knocking you down at earth?GO CAMO, Schism over high charity GO CA-- wait the covenant has thermal sensors and the brutes would notice you?
I didn't know that you had to be space faring for over 3,000 years to think think thermal sensors were a good idea and sense you have them we can assume the forerunners did also since you get everything from them.

Am i done yet? No no not at all; see i just got off the phone with regret and he told me (in his mystical voice) that they found reach to be the most important engagement so they used their one cloaked SC on reach, boy was that a funny convo. He Told me that he knew truth was going to get ride of him so he wasted the on SC that could go camo which turns out to be the reason truth [b]did
want to kill him.


Really people, your degrading the haloverse if you are supporting this


This.

Anybody who support the version of Reach, is degrading the Halo universe. I don't understand how those guys/girls still defend the version of reach despite of breaking canon, etc because they just like this version of reach better than this tFoR version? That's idiotic. tFoR version is much better, and it won't be short campaign, I assure you. I can bet that most of halo players here and another locations may never read tFoR so if they followed tFoR version, most of people would still find it fun in another way.

It is why I don't consider Halo: Reach canon anymore or call it as "ONI cover up" theory.


A direct adaptation of The Fall of Reach would make for a terrible gameplay campaign considering the only on foot mission in it 'on' (more like at) Reach would be Blue team's operation on Gamma station...


And, Red Team still fighting on Reach surface since space battle was over. Also, you would have piloted Sabre into space battle, to assist the defensive fleet (we would have seen what UNSC supercarrier looked like!) or defend the ODPs while seeing explosions in background and maybe seeing a frigate or two crashing to Reach. And, you can merge from first strike as well, because it involves with Reach as well. Personally, I think that Reach engine is capable to doing this. Also, you can do ODST story (short one) on Reach, at Alexandria such as being Buck to escape from Reach. This way, it would be tad over 10 missions at best.

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  • 07.01.2011 2:20 PM PDT

I agree.

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Posted by: grey101
Which is why you could base it around first strike


Would really love to see that as some sort of DLC expansion, sorta like ODST.

Posted by: grey101
I would like to know which level takes place AFTER the battle of reach because bungie said that the game takes place during and after reach


Only level that you could consider "after Reach" would have to be Lone Wolf. But wasn't there minor ground skirmishes shortly after that?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
Which is why you could base it around first strike


Would really love to see that as some sort of DLC expansion, sorta like ODST.

Posted by: grey101
I would like to know which level takes place AFTER the battle of reach because bungie said that the game takes place during and after reach


Only level that you could consider "after Reach" would have to be Lone Wolf. But wasn't there minor ground skirmishes shortly after that?


Meh i don't 343i would do that due to time.

um i really wouldn't know since the game never gave any dates or explanations. like where the F*** dot came from

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: grey101

It was cloaked? Even better!!!!!


So somehow a mile long ship was able to get past all the slipspace monitoring stations of humanity's Strongest and most fortified fortress, It then somehow was able to cloak! despite this contradicting everything we know about the covenant and not to mention the UNSC sensors and ships would be able to detect the [b] enormous amount of heat from said ship.
But somehow they didn't! The entire reach fleet was destroyed by 1 ship despite and reinforcements were called in despite the planet not being under attack and the UNSC not having communications or knowing about this.



You idiots should know that supporting "this version" of reach just makes both sides look utterly stupid. The UNSC has to be the dumbest Faction of race in Sc-Fi if it was so God-damn easy for a covenant super carrier to completely siege reach all by itself for a month.Not to mention if the UNSC decided that it was "smarter" to have a SMAC aim at the planet to destroy one shield-less Covenant corvette than send in a frigate or squadron of longswords then they are @@itty tacticians and i don't see how they have lasted in this war.

The UNSC should now be pushed lower on the overall technological tier if their ships do not have thermal sensors to detect a mile long ship just dicking around in orbit for a month.
Speaking of technology If i can destroy 1 of 3 relays for the planet to be completely black then they are stupid engineers .


NOW LETS WORK ON THE COVENANT !!!!

This race must be the dumbest conglomerate of aliens if they decide to use 1 cloaked ship at the end of the war and never use them again. So after 27 years of fighting now you decide to use ships with camo? whats wrong you got tired of losing ships in space that you could easily replace? Hey truth "why didn't you just give all your ships camo so that way you would lose far less ships in space"? seriously, if you had camo all along you could have won at harvest,Groombridge,XI Bootus A or any other engagement you lost in space.

SMAC rounds knocking you down at earth?GO CAMO, Schism over high charity GO CA-- wait the covenant has thermal sensors and the brutes would notice you?
I didn't know that you had to be space faring for over 3,000 years to think think thermal sensors were a good idea and sense you have them we can assume the forerunners did also since you get everything from them.

Am i done yet? No no not at all; see i just got off the phone with regret and he told me (in his mystical voice) that they found reach to be the most important engagement so they used their one cloaked SC on reach, boy was that a funny convo. He Told me that he knew truth was going to get ride of him so he wasted the on SC that could go camo which turns out to be the reason truth [b]did
want to kill him.


Really people, your degrading the haloverse if you are supporting this


This.

Anybody who support the version of Reach, is degrading the Halo universe. I don't understand how those guys/girls still defend the version of reach despite of breaking canon, etc because they just like this version of reach better than this tFoR version? That's idiotic. tFoR version is much better, and it won't be short campaign, I assure you. I can bet that most of halo players here and another locations may never read tFoR so if they followed tFoR version, most of people would still find it fun in another way.

It is why I don't consider Halo: Reach canon anymore or call it as "ONI cover up" theory.


A direct adaptation of The Fall of Reach would make for a terrible gameplay campaign considering the only on foot mission in it 'on' (more like at) Reach would be Blue team's operation on Gamma station...


And, Red Team still fighting on Reach surface since space battle was over. Also, you would have piloted Sabre into space battle, to assist the defensive fleet (we would have seen what UNSC supercarrier looked like!) or defend the ODPs while seeing explosions in background and maybe seeing a frigate or two crashing to Reach. And, you can merge from first strike as well, because it involves with Reach as well. Personally, I think that Reach engine is capable to doing this. Also, you can do ODST story (short one) on Reach, at Alexandria such as being Buck to escape from Reach. This way, it would be tad over 10 missions at best.


I said direct adaptation. None of those things you've said would deal with a direct adaptation of the book The Fall of Reach itself. Could you fold in a direct adaptation of First Strike's depiction of the ground battle of Reach from Fred's perspective, sure. But it doesn't change the fact that in regards to a direct adaptation of The Fall of Reach itself that would focus only on Reach would only contain the Gamma station Spartan mission unless of course someone were to go about allowing control of The Pillar of Autumn during its involvement with the space battle.

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Posted by: grey101
Meh i don't 343i would do that due to time.


A man can dream...

Posted by: grey101
um i really wouldn't know since the game never gave any dates or explanations. like where the F*** dot came from


Thought I read around that there was. Meh. But in that case...Lone Wolf could be considered "after Reach". Planet has already fallen, Red Team is currently under CASTLE and Six is pretty much last man standing.

And Dot? Just some military AI attached to Noble. I don't think we need an explanation for that lol.

  • 07.01.2011 3:11 PM PDT

Answer to the hundreds of pages of crap: Game canon is primary, end of conversation.

Learn to dal with it as opposed to trolling

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: LifeLongGamer
Answer to the hundreds of pages of crap: Game canon is primary, end of conversation.

Learn to dal with it as opposed to trolling


somebody can't count since there are only 108 pages

[Edited on 07.07.2011 12:11 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 12:11 PM PDT


Posted by: JFKES

Proof During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 Spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened.

Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Sources: Halo: Reach, Fall of Reach[/quote] The ship could have been in space at the start then landed before leaving after being asked to. It is a possibility.


it is a possibility, as Halsey and Cortana were still on Reach.

  • 07.08.2011 1:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Telec
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Dude, it's plain obvious the devs and writers had no idea what the frell they were writing about.
You've got this the wrong way round - the devs define what happened. If you disagree, then it is because you don't know what you're writing about.

Furthermore, I still find it completely stupid that the UNSC fleet allowed the SuperCarrier to float freely for days without any engagement.well, in case you hadn't noticed, but they didn't actually see it there.

A SuperCarrier exiting slipspace would be immediately pinged by UNSC monitoring stations because the damn thing is 4 kilometers long and thus has enormous tonnage weightwe don't actually know anything about its approach. Given that it was capable of sitting above the planet completely undetected, I'm going to wager that it had some awesome prototype stealth system on in. In which case it may well have been able to slip in undetected. Lets say it does the jump to behind a nearby planet and then flies closer under stealth.


(about the supercarrier) it might be possible it exited slipspace outside the range of the sensors, and then came above Reach.

  • 07.08.2011 1:44 AM PDT


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My Two Cents:
Also Games are higher cannon than Novels

Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.
[Not an Invasion force, merely a Recon/Sabotage (1 A. Carrier and less than 10 Corvettes) and possibly mining mission by the covenant to recover the artifact under Sword Base, Regret did the same thing and reached Earth with merely 15 ships (2 A. Carriers 13 CCS) since he didn´t know it was Human Homeworld; as far as we know the Covenant knew Reach had an Artifact, but they probably did not know it was a Human Fortress hence a Recon team was sent]

Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.
[The Best candidates of Alpha Company where (or at least implied) pulled out before Operation: PROMETHEUS; pretty much in the same manner B312, B320, B170 (implied) where taken out of Beta before TORPEDO, Note Headhunters got pulled out of their companies too]

Error: Carter, Emile, and Jun's age.
Carter is born in 2520. He was 11 years old when Alpha Company began their training. This puts him 5 years above the previously stated age, and it makes no sense at all. Why would they have an 11 year old on the same training regime as a 4 year old? It's too large of a difference, and it's an error that can be avoiding by simply changing his birthdate. This same thing goes for Emile and Jun, who are older than 6 years old at Alpha training.
[I don´t see the error here, they could have made an exception since this 3 Spartans got the genes to become S-IIs, in order to correctly augment em they had to train em at this age, not older, they just didn´t wanted to waste anymore time, which would also explain why Kurt himself said Noble was made out of possible candidates for S-II program and by this I mean that they got the genetic match and properties of S-IIs]

Error: Lack of Orbital MAC's.
[In game dialogue; Kat do says they got at least 4 ODPs that could easily destroy the Corvette over Sword; Carter tells her that they don´t out of fear they could damage Sword Base (or something like that) and as a matter of fact an Orbital Station do destroy the Corvette over Sword in the end of the mission; the fact that they did not used the ODPs against the Corvettes in atmosphere and the A. Carrier in orbit was perhaps due to the classified nature of the Covenant being on Reach or because ONI wanted to gather more info about the Covenant there, which would explain why they didn´t followed the Cole Protocol]

Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.

[Was getting ready in Atmosphere while waiting for Noble to deliver the missing Cortana shard, then went to orbit to link with main Fleet, deployed Red Team to destroy the nav data from the Circumference, etc.]

*As for Halsey not knowing about S-IIIs existance before Onyx (which I had read being said a lot), well in her journal it´s implied she believes that the Spartans from Noble team are actually S-IIs just not "hers"

maybe we should just ask the Covenant for some of the details of the invasion :D

[Edited on 07.08.2011 1:51 AM PDT]

  • 07.08.2011 1:50 AM PDT


Posted by: P3P5I
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Killed by Pasta
I'm confused how a Covenant vessel can get into the atmosphere completely undetected with the presence of hundreds of probes, dozens of MAC guns, people and EYESIGHT (it's a huge purple ship...), and dozens of other variables.

It was cloaked apparently.

I was not aware that Covenant did that to thier ships. They are portraying the Covenant as being too intuitive now. If the Covenant had that ability, then ship-to-ship battles would be instant loses for the UNSC every time. I mean, the weaponry in Reach does not seem polarized as described by Halsey. Realistically, it would obliterate UNSC forces on the ground easily. Plasma launchers, tactical shield towers, trans-location devices, Radar jammers. It sort of defeats the image of an imitative enemy who cannot create its own ideas for technology and apply them properly, who also rely on brute force to win rather than clever strategy and tactics.

We also have to assume that the Covenant somehow has perfected the process of a silent slipstream transition (Intuition and science that they do not have), otherwise that AC would have been detected.

With this technology, they could cloak an entire Armada, silently slip in-system undetected, use radar jamming to prevent further detection, position themselves and then decisively slit the UNSCs metaphorical throat.

Maybe. Maybe the energy required to cloak a gigantic ship that well does damage to another part of the ship that renders it useless for days until repair or some other reason that wouldn't allow the Covenant to mass produce this technology.

perhaps. why don't we ask the Arbiter? :)

  • 07.08.2011 1:54 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
Are you going to add to the list Halsey's interaction with Noble Team? The fact that when she went digging through Ackerson's files under the Castle base was the first time she had an inkling they existed, but in the game she talks to them like she has known all along?

especially Jorge

  • 07.08.2011 2:01 AM PDT