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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: Hysterical Joker
There's still a lot of stuff we can't possibly reconcile until someone comes along and tells us what the deal is.

100 UNSC ships would easily destroy a Supercarrier, though I'm wondering if someone can go back and view the cutscene where Kat suggests the plan of using a slipspace drive. She mentions something about not having any nukes, but that likely refers to nukes on the planet. Just in case though.

There were so many cool things that happened in TFoR, I'm really disappointed we didn't get to see any Fleet engagements.

she mentions that all the ships carrying nukes are ALREADY deployed.

  • 07.08.2011 2:51 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII

Posted by: MasterSin
"He was right. Fred had seen Elites, their weapons depleted of charge, die rather than touch fully loaded UNSC assault rifles at their feet."

- Ghosts of Onyx, page 207.

I wonder if this is a glitch or Bungie did this on purpose?

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=289514 5&player=MastaSin333

I've played Halo: CE I've never seen a covie take a human weapon nor vehicule, Halo 2 or 3 neither, this is the first time in a Halo game that i see Elites taking or using humans weaponary.
Fix'd link - and that is pretty goddamned epic :P Is there an Elite driving as well, or is it just
those two?

in firefight, you have an option of elite 'heretics', who use human weapons. they look no different from normal elite's. perhaps these were heretics?

  • 07.08.2011 3:17 AM PDT

My name is Miguel Adame and I am 15 years old. Nobody's perfect, but I'm pretty close.

In the book "The Fall of Reach" by Eric Nylund, The Pillar of Autumn was already in space and moments away from taking off on a "war changing" mission when the Covenant arrive. In the game "Halo Reach", the Autumn is still on the ground and the planet is barely realizing the Covenant are even on Reach let alone in space.

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Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: Spartan1065
Are you going to add to the list Halsey's interaction with Noble Team? The fact that when she went digging through Ackerson's files under the Castle base was the first time she had an inkling they existed, but in the game she talks to them like she has known all along?

especially Jorge


Game story perspective, Jorge is arguably a special case.

Unlike the rest of Noble (who are Spartan III's), Jorge is a Spartan II (which explains his larger physical size), and therefore the only team member with whom Halsey would, or should, have been directly familiar. This is shown in game by the fact that she is pleasant to him and addresses him by name, but treats the others with apparent contempt and doesn't view them as real Spartans; hence her 'puppet or Spartan' comment.

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Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: Telec
Posted by: A Puzzled Mind
Dude, it's plain obvious the devs and writers had no idea what the frell they were writing about.
You've got this the wrong way round - the devs define what happened. If you disagree, then it is because you don't know what you're writing about.

Furthermore, I still find it completely stupid that the UNSC fleet allowed the SuperCarrier to float freely for days without any engagement.well, in case you hadn't noticed, but they didn't actually see it there.

A SuperCarrier exiting slipspace would be immediately pinged by UNSC monitoring stations because the damn thing is 4 kilometers long and thus has enormous tonnage weightwe don't actually know anything about its approach. Given that it was capable of sitting above the planet completely undetected, I'm going to wager that it had some awesome prototype stealth system on in. In which case it may well have been able to slip in undetected. Lets say it does the jump to behind a nearby planet and then flies closer under stealth.


(about the supercarrier) it might be possible it exited slipspace outside the range of the sensors, and then came above Reach.


Even if it did, that wouldn't explain how a ship of that size managed to get from that slipspace exit point to the planet without tripping a single UNSC sensor net, even allowing for its contrived and plot convenient magic pixie dust cloaking ability.

  • 07.08.2011 8:26 AM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Why hasn't this thread been updated? If there aren't going to be corrections, then its purpose is pointless.

  • 07.08.2011 11:56 AM PDT

wort wort wort


Posted by: Moirai

Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: Telec
Posted by: A Puzzled Mind
Dude, it's plain obvious the devs and writers had no idea what the frell they were writing about.
You've got this the wrong way round - the devs define what happened. If you disagree, then it is because you don't know what you're writing about.

Furthermore, I still find it completely stupid that the UNSC fleet allowed the SuperCarrier to float freely for days without any engagement.well, in case you hadn't noticed, but they didn't actually see it there.

A SuperCarrier exiting slipspace would be immediately pinged by UNSC monitoring stations because the damn thing is 4 kilometers long and thus has enormous tonnage weightwe don't actually know anything about its approach. Given that it was capable of sitting above the planet completely undetected, I'm going to wager that it had some awesome prototype stealth system on in. In which case it may well have been able to slip in undetected. Lets say it does the jump to behind a nearby planet and then flies closer under stealth.


(about the supercarrier) it might be possible it exited slipspace outside the range of the sensors, and then came above Reach.


Even if it did, that wouldn't explain how a ship of that size managed to get from that slipspace exit point to the planet without tripping a single UNSC sensor net, even allowing for its contrived and plot convenient magic pixie dust cloaking ability.
they have noticed the supercarrier. they just didnt know what to do about it at the time. thats y they used a desperate make-shift bomb plan.

  • 07.08.2011 1:55 PM PDT

wort wort wort

Halo pedia ist always wrong, its more fact than made up lore. bungie uses it sumtimes

[Edited on 07.08.2011 2:05 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2011 2:03 PM PDT

wort wort wort


Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII

Posted by: MasterSin
"He was right. Fred had seen Elites, their weapons depleted of charge, die rather than touch fully loaded UNSC assault rifles at their feet."

- Ghosts of Onyx, page 207.

I wonder if this is a glitch or Bungie did this on purpose?

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=289514 5&player=MastaSin333

I've played Halo: CE I've never seen a covie take a human weapon nor vehicule, Halo 2 or 3 neither, this is the first time in a Halo game that i see Elites taking or using humans weaponary.
Fix'd link - and that is pretty goddamned epic :P Is there an Elite driving as well, or is it just
those two?

in firefight, you have an option of elite 'heretics', who use human weapons. they look no different from normal elite's. perhaps these were heretics?

Elite minor #1: HEY GUISE LOOKIE, HUMAN GUNZ! LUTICE UZ THEM K?
Elite ultra: NO! THAT WOOD BE HERASSY
Elite minor #2: I WONT SAI NUTHN IF U WONT
Elite ultra:...ILL TAKE DMR PLZ K THX
Grunt heavy: CAN I HAZ ROKIT LAWNCHAIR?
Elite minor #2: NO
Grunt heavy: SAD FACE :(

  • 07.08.2011 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Why hasn't this thread been updated? If there aren't going to be corrections, then its purpose is pointless.


What "corrections" have there been based in solid fact since this thread has started that everyone can agree upon? Because so far, there have been none.

Instead it's still all theories and assumptions filling in the unexplainable bits while inversely the same for widening the gap. Without any facts to decisively solve anything away or a an explanation that everyone can agree upon then there's hardly anything to update and "correct".

  • 07.08.2011 2:28 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Moirai

Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: Spartan1065
Are you going to add to the list Halsey's interaction with Noble Team? The fact that when she went digging through Ackerson's files under the Castle base was the first time she had an inkling they existed, but in the game she talks to them like she has known all along?

especially Jorge


Game story perspective, Jorge is arguably a special case.

Unlike the rest of Noble (who are Spartan III's), Jorge is a Spartan II (which explains his larger physical size), and therefore the only team member with whom Halsey would, or should, have been directly familiar. This is shown in game by the fact that she is pleasant to him and addresses him by name, but treats the others with apparent contempt and doesn't view them as real Spartans; hence her 'puppet or Spartan' comment.


For the 9485th time, Halsey didn't knew they were Spartan III's, she knew that they were not her Spartans but she believed that ONI had made them without telling her, she then found out in CASTLE Base when she found Ackerson's files.

And Jorge is big for a Spartan II, he is about as tall as Sam, so he'd be a head taller than John (Noble Team are around the same height as a regular Spartan II).

  • 07.08.2011 2:28 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Although the release of Reach did break some canon, there are "errors" in here which can explained.

Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Proof: All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th.

Sources:Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach.

According to Halo Wiki, there were a couple of waves to the Invasion. Technically, Reach does get invaded earlier than the book said, but almost all of the events in the book that concerned the Battle of Reach still happened on August 30, when the final wave of over 300 Covenant vessels came into the Epsilon Eridani system. The events of Halo: Reach were dealing with the first and second waves of Covenant forces, whereas the book concerned the last.

Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.
It is not absurd to extrapolate that Carter, Emile, and Jun were all pulled out secretively before Operation Prometheus. They were given MJOLNIR Mk V armor, so I would assume they were exceptional members of Alpha.

Error: ONI's actions as well as the Cole Protocol.
Noble wasn't really redeployed to Sword Base to destroy it, but rather to meet Dr. Halsey.

Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.
According to Halo Wiki (link above), the Pillar of Autumn docked on Reach after Blue Team successfully completed their mission on Gamma Station. The reason why the ship would dock in the midst of an onslaught? To retrieve the second half of Cortana which Keyes likely knew was key to humanity's survival.

Error: Lack of Orbital MAC's.
This is a very good point. I believe that mission took place on August 13, 2552 (correct me if I'm wrong). There a couple of possible explanations. One, secret ground forces could have destroyed generators which powered MACs near the supercarrier, or, the Long Night of Solace may have destroyed the SMACs. After all, it was cloaked by a Spire for who knows how long.

Error: Carter, Emile, and Jun's age.
I haven't specifically checked these three members' ages, but if they were really born in 2520, then there's no disputing something is amiss.

  • 07.08.2011 4:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Moirai

Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: Spartan1065
Are you going to add to the list Halsey's interaction with Noble Team? The fact that when she went digging through Ackerson's files under the Castle base was the first time she had an inkling they existed, but in the game she talks to them like she has known all along?

especially Jorge


Game story perspective, Jorge is arguably a special case.

Unlike the rest of Noble (who are Spartan III's), Jorge is a Spartan II (which explains his larger physical size), and therefore the only team member with whom Halsey would, or should, have been directly familiar. This is shown in game by the fact that she is pleasant to him and addresses him by name, but treats the others with apparent contempt and doesn't view them as real Spartans; hence her 'puppet or Spartan' comment.


For the 9485th time, Halsey didn't knew they were Spartan III's, she knew that they were not her Spartans but she believed that ONI had made them without telling her, she then found out in CASTLE Base when she found Ackerson's files.

And Jorge is big for a Spartan II, he is about as tall as Sam, so he'd be a head taller than John (Noble Team are around the same height as a regular Spartan II).


Please, try reading what I actually said before getting all irate. I never said Halsey herself knew that they were Spartan III's, only that Jorge would be the only member she would recognise as a Spartan, hence her more familiar tones with him and the abrupt manner she displayed to those she did not recognise as hers.

Mentioning the difference in Spartan types was purely for the benefit of the poster I was replying to in order to clarify my post.

I find your comments about height interesting though. My Noble Six is only a shade taller than a UNSC marine, and noticeably shorter than a fully kitted out Elite. Whereas the Chief always appeared to be around the same height as an Elite and towered over marines. Anyway, that's a side note...

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Guys everything you are talking about was cleared up around pages 50-70.

you are late to a dead debate


@ Plasma why the hell are you using halo wiki for your sources? that is the worst thing you could ever do

[Edited on 07.08.2011 7:42 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Plastcommand

Posted by: Moirai

Posted by: dsdanger 2

Posted by: Telec
Posted by: A Puzzled Mind
Dude, it's plain obvious the devs and writers had no idea what the frell they were writing about.
You've got this the wrong way round - the devs define what happened. If you disagree, then it is because you don't know what you're writing about.

Furthermore, I still find it completely stupid that the UNSC fleet allowed the SuperCarrier to float freely for days without any engagement.well, in case you hadn't noticed, but they didn't actually see it there.

A SuperCarrier exiting slipspace would be immediately pinged by UNSC monitoring stations because the damn thing is 4 kilometers long and thus has enormous tonnage weightwe don't actually know anything about its approach. Given that it was capable of sitting above the planet completely undetected, I'm going to wager that it had some awesome prototype stealth system on in. In which case it may well have been able to slip in undetected. Lets say it does the jump to behind a nearby planet and then flies closer under stealth.


(about the supercarrier) it might be possible it exited slipspace outside the range of the sensors, and then came above Reach.


Even if it did, that wouldn't explain how a ship of that size managed to get from that slipspace exit point to the planet without tripping a single UNSC sensor net, even allowing for its contrived and plot convenient magic pixie dust cloaking ability.
they have noticed the supercarrier. they just didnt know what to do about it at the time. thats y they used a desperate make-shift bomb plan.


The discussion was about how the Super Carrier actually got to Reach and into its atmosphere in the first place without being detected, not what happens after it reveals itself at the end of Tip of the Spear.

  • 07.08.2011 7:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
Guys everything you are talking about was cleared up around pages 50-70.

you are late to a dead debate


If that's aimed partly at me, I'm well aware of the previous Halsey/Spartan III discussions, hence why I phrased my post as I did. In any case, I wasn't originally making a point of debate. Only attempting to clarify an issue someone raised. But in usual forum fashion debates reignite because people read what they think is there, rather than what is actually there.

  • 07.08.2011 8:10 PM PDT

Video Game>Books.

It doesn't seem to be the most difficult concept to get across.

  • 07.11.2011 8:05 AM PDT

train hard, win big, live well.

i sort of gave up alot of hope of seeing true continuity in the halo universe. the biggest shame s the "rewrites" of the original three novels.

  • 07.11.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Posted by: grey101

@ Plasma why the hell are you using halo wiki for your sources? that is the worst thing you could ever do


Stop disregarding Halo Wikia as an uncreditable site. Just because it CAN be wrong, doesn't mean it always as. Not everyone has the sources around them to check everything, or the money to have all the sources, or even want to read/watch, etc.

Same reasons for telling people to read/watch things.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ix forte xi
Posted by: grey101

@ Plasma why the hell are you using halo wiki for your sources? that is the worst thing you could ever do


Stop disregarding Halo Wikia as an uncreditable site. Just because it CAN be wrong, doesn't mean it always as. Not everyone has the sources around them to check everything, or the money to have all the sources, or even want to read/watch, etc.

Same reasons for telling people to read/watch things.


Halopedia is ALWAYS wrong. they have yet to update dozens of pages with cryptum knowledge and anything that isn't speculation is not allowed on the site.

don't ever use halopedia as a source,ever

  • 07.11.2011 11:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: ix forte xi
Posted by: grey101

@ Plasma why the hell are you using halo wiki for your sources? that is the worst thing you could ever do


Stop disregarding Halo Wikia as an uncreditable site. Just because it CAN be wrong, doesn't mean it always as. Not everyone has the sources around them to check everything, or the money to have all the sources, or even want to read/watch, etc.

Same reasons for telling people to read/watch things.


So what you're saying is just because people can't afford to get first hand sources, it automatically means that the incorrect articles on Halopedian (or any other Halo wiki for that matter) should automatically be ignored?

  • 07.11.2011 12:19 PM PDT

JVO

Bungie2 knows what he's talking about and addressed these errors accurately, what else can be said? First off, Bungie created Halo, don't question what they've done or say any of their games are non-canon. Second, don't let microsoft's two cents in the halo canon confuse you nor believe whole heartedly in anything they give. Bungie knew where they were going with the story since the beginning. Who knows. They may even fill us in on the entire history of halo someday.

  • 07.11.2011 6:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: truaznblack
Bungie2 knows what he's talking about and addressed these errors accurately, what else can be said? First off, Bungie created Halo, don't question what they've done or say any of their games are non-canon. Second, don't let microsoft's two cents in the halo canon confuse you nor believe whole heartedly in anything they give. Bungie knew where they were going with the story since the beginning. Who knows. They may even fill us in on the entire history of halo someday.

oh yea? just like the halo encyclopedia right? that turned out so well.

Bungie claims to have this halo bible, but the continue to write stories ontop of stories. I'm not gonna lie, when I find out that books that I have bought aren't as true as they say, it makes me not want to read the book anymore.

I honestly kinda wish I would wait until the whole halo universe story is over just so I don't have to waste my time believing one thing and then come to find out I have to change my whole perspective. I mean, whos to say they wont make a game about first strike and rewrite that whole story?

Honestly for all we know there could be 30 spartan IIs or there could be 300. There is really no right answer

  • 07.11.2011 9:28 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

To everyone discrediting my reply to this thread based on the fact that I linked Halo Wiki, I'd like to clarify that every date that I used to support my thesis I corroborated using the original copy of The Fall of Reach by Eric Nylund.

I don't understand the point of this thread anymore. It seems counterpoints aren't even addressed, and a discussion has ceased to exist.

  • 07.11.2011 9:34 PM PDT