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I thought that Bungie said that the games were official canon? And lemme explain the Pillar of Autumn thing right now: Wasn't it severely damaged in a battle with a battleship and forced to land for repairs?


I don't remember it getting damaged by the cruiser at all.

And the Pillar never "landed" for repairs. Infact, the refitting station was in space, because it makes more sense that way.

>The pillar of autumn is refitted for it's mission in space
>The Pillar is leaving for it's mission when Reach is attacked
>The Pillar destroys a Super Cruiser
>They return to orbit and split into two teams.
>Red to the surface
>Blue to destroy NAV data
>John returns to the Pillar a short time later with a few marines(Johnson) and Linda's "dead" body.
>Keyes recognizes that Reach is screwed, and initiates Cole Protocol to try and escape.

That's basically how it went down.


Course with the game factored into it the second point becomes something of an oddity. Reach has been openly under siege for quite some time now, yet Keyes decides to take the Autumn out of Reach to the system's edge, then turn back to defend the planet.

Now the original reason for Keyes turning around was in response to the distress call that Reach has suddenly come under attack, but that is no longer feasible given the state Reach has been in, and the fact that Keyes is leaving the planet whilst it's under attack. So he'd be aware of the situation as it stands.

In terms of the current reason within the game's context there doesn't seem to really be one that can make real sense. One could argue that Keyes left Reach doomed as it was, but came back for the package. Yet, if that were the case Keyes would have never left in the first place and would still be waiting on or in close proximity to Reach for that package.

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Posted by: Hedronox
Well least Bungie made money blowing stuff up......if you know what I mean.


Well, they are leaving Halo behind, it's not their problem anymore and they need the money. Still this game leaves a lot of cannon breaches.


Yeah, now the cannon won't be able to fire again.


LOL That was a good joke, friend.

And wtf do they need money for? As if they didn't make enough money off of Halo 3.

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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: USDA Beefmaster
I thought that Bungie said that the games were official canon? And lemme explain the Pillar of Autumn thing right now: Wasn't it severely damaged in a battle with a battleship and forced to land for repairs?


I don't remember it getting damaged by the cruiser at all.

And the Pillar never "landed" for repairs. Infact, the refitting station was in space, because it makes more sense that way.

>The pillar of autumn is refitted for it's mission in space
>The Pillar is leaving for it's mission when Reach is attacked
>The Pillar destroys a Super Cruiser
>They return to orbit and split into two teams.
>Red to the surface
>Blue to destroy NAV data
>John returns to the Pillar a short time later with a few marines(Johnson) and Linda's "dead" body.
>Keyes recognizes that Reach is screwed, and initiates Cole Protocol to try and escape.

That's basically how it went down.


Course with the game factored into it the second point becomes something of an oddity. Reach has been openly under siege for quite some time now, yet Keyes decides to take the Autumn out of Reach to the system's edge, then turn back to defend the planet.

Now the original reason for Keyes turning around was in response to the distress call that Reach has suddenly come under attack, but that is no longer feasible given the state Reach has been in, and the fact that Keyes is leaving the planet whilst it's under attack. So he'd be aware of the situation as it stands.

In terms of the current reason within the game's context there doesn't seem to really be one that can make real sense. One could argue that Keyes left Reach doomed as it was, but came back for the package. Yet, if that were the case Keyes would have never left in the first place and would still be waiting on or in close proximity to Reach for that package.


This is my theory on what happened with that. The ship could have just lifted off and helped defend until the package needed to be taken so to do it in the safest way they sent the whole cruiser down so that the pelican would not risk getting shot down, the cortana is a copy used for decoding information, they pick blue team up on their way back, linda is the spartan in the pod for the easter egg bungie put in there since it said she was immediatley frozen when he got to the ship, they lifted off and ran like hell to jump to slip space. As for the ship not being damaged did the ship ever look damaged in halo CE? no. Did it look damaged when it was crashed not really just blackened so they didn't put the damage detail in there to correlate with the Halo CE. My theory not fact

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: USDA Beefmaster
I thought that Bungie said that the games were official canon? And lemme explain the Pillar of Autumn thing right now: Wasn't it severely damaged in a battle with a battleship and forced to land for repairs?


I don't remember it getting damaged by the cruiser at all.

And the Pillar never "landed" for repairs. Infact, the refitting station was in space, because it makes more sense that way.

>The pillar of autumn is refitted for it's mission in space
>The Pillar is leaving for it's mission when Reach is attacked
>The Pillar destroys a Super Cruiser
>They return to orbit and split into two teams.
>Red to the surface
>Blue to destroy NAV data
>John returns to the Pillar a short time later with a few marines(Johnson) and Linda's "dead" body.
>Keyes recognizes that Reach is screwed, and initiates Cole Protocol to try and escape.

That's basically how it went down.


Course with the game factored into it the second point becomes something of an oddity. Reach has been openly under siege for quite some time now, yet Keyes decides to take the Autumn out of Reach to the system's edge, then turn back to defend the planet.

Now the original reason for Keyes turning around was in response to the distress call that Reach has suddenly come under attack, but that is no longer feasible given the state Reach has been in, and the fact that Keyes is leaving the planet whilst it's under attack. So he'd be aware of the situation as it stands.

In terms of the current reason within the game's context there doesn't seem to really be one that can make real sense. One could argue that Keyes left Reach doomed as it was, but came back for the package. Yet, if that were the case Keyes would have never left in the first place and would still be waiting on or in close proximity to Reach for that package.


This is my theory on what happened with that. The ship could have just lifted off and helped defend until the package needed to be taken so to do it in the safest way they sent the whole cruiser down so that the pelican would not risk getting shot down, the cortana is a copy used for decoding information, they pick blue team up on their way back, linda is the spartan in the pod for the easter egg bungie put in there since it said she was immediatley frozen when he got to the ship, they lifted off and ran like hell to jump to slip space. As for the ship not being damaged did the ship ever look damaged in halo CE? no. Did it look damaged when it was crashed not really just blackened so they didn't put the damage detail in there to correlate with the Halo CE. My theory not fact


you do understand that it would have been far smarter and safer to send pelicans to get cortana than the entire friggin ship?

And it was damaged like hell in CE, read the books, the only thing is halcyon class ships can lose more than half of their skeletal structure and still be largely intact (something like that going off memory). so despite it not looking crashed (and because it was on xbox) does not meant that it crashed like nothing.

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Get a life.These threads are so boring and theres like 100000000000 of them.Who cares

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Posted by: roberte76
Get a life.These threads are so boring and theres like 100000000000 of them.Who cares


this is the universe forum where stuff like this is suppose to be talked about, and if you check the date you will see that this thread was made pretty much once reach came out.

your sheer ignorance is a testament to what this forum will soon be.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: halfnhalf0527

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: USDA Beefmaster
I thought that Bungie said that the games were official canon? And lemme explain the Pillar of Autumn thing right now: Wasn't it severely damaged in a battle with a battleship and forced to land for repairs?


I don't remember it getting damaged by the cruiser at all.

And the Pillar never "landed" for repairs. Infact, the refitting station was in space, because it makes more sense that way.

>The pillar of autumn is refitted for it's mission in space
>The Pillar is leaving for it's mission when Reach is attacked
>The Pillar destroys a Super Cruiser
>They return to orbit and split into two teams.
>Red to the surface
>Blue to destroy NAV data
>John returns to the Pillar a short time later with a few marines(Johnson) and Linda's "dead" body.
>Keyes recognizes that Reach is screwed, and initiates Cole Protocol to try and escape.

That's basically how it went down.


Course with the game factored into it the second point becomes something of an oddity. Reach has been openly under siege for quite some time now, yet Keyes decides to take the Autumn out of Reach to the system's edge, then turn back to defend the planet.

Now the original reason for Keyes turning around was in response to the distress call that Reach has suddenly come under attack, but that is no longer feasible given the state Reach has been in, and the fact that Keyes is leaving the planet whilst it's under attack. So he'd be aware of the situation as it stands.

In terms of the current reason within the game's context there doesn't seem to really be one that can make real sense. One could argue that Keyes left Reach doomed as it was, but came back for the package. Yet, if that were the case Keyes would have never left in the first place and would still be waiting on or in close proximity to Reach for that package.


This is my theory on what happened with that. The ship could have just lifted off and helped defend until the package needed to be taken so to do it in the safest way they sent the whole cruiser down so that the pelican would not risk getting shot down, the cortana is a copy used for decoding information, they pick blue team up on their way back, linda is the spartan in the pod for the easter egg bungie put in there since it said she was immediatley frozen when he got to the ship, they lifted off and ran like hell to jump to slip space. As for the ship not being damaged did the ship ever look damaged in halo CE? no. Did it look damaged when it was crashed not really just blackened so they didn't put the damage detail in there to correlate with the Halo CE. My theory not fact


you do understand that it would have been far smarter and safer to send pelicans to get cortana than the entire friggin ship?

And it was damaged like hell in CE, read the books, the only thing is halcyon class ships can lose more than half of their skeletal structure and still be largely intact (something like that going off memory). so despite it not looking crashed (and because it was on xbox) does not meant that it crashed like nothing.


He's right. PoA was heavily damaged as they exited out of random slip-space. So, PoA being at Reach (via ground which it is physically impossible due to size and weight and it was not rated for atmosphere, does not make sense at all.) I find it funny when some people always trying to defend the Reach to death because they seem think that it makes more sense than tFoR or First Strike which I normally laugh at them.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: halfnhalf0527

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: USDA Beefmaster
I thought that Bungie said that the games were official canon? And lemme explain the Pillar of Autumn thing right now: Wasn't it severely damaged in a battle with a battleship and forced to land for repairs?


I don't remember it getting damaged by the cruiser at all.

And the Pillar never "landed" for repairs. Infact, the refitting station was in space, because it makes more sense that way.

>The pillar of autumn is refitted for it's mission in space
>The Pillar is leaving for it's mission when Reach is attacked
>The Pillar destroys a Super Cruiser
>They return to orbit and split into two teams.
>Red to the surface
>Blue to destroy NAV data
>John returns to the Pillar a short time later with a few marines(Johnson) and Linda's "dead" body.
>Keyes recognizes that Reach is screwed, and initiates Cole Protocol to try and escape.

That's basically how it went down.


Course with the game factored into it the second point becomes something of an oddity. Reach has been openly under siege for quite some time now, yet Keyes decides to take the Autumn out of Reach to the system's edge, then turn back to defend the planet.

Now the original reason for Keyes turning around was in response to the distress call that Reach has suddenly come under attack, but that is no longer feasible given the state Reach has been in, and the fact that Keyes is leaving the planet whilst it's under attack. So he'd be aware of the situation as it stands.

In terms of the current reason within the game's context there doesn't seem to really be one that can make real sense. One could argue that Keyes left Reach doomed as it was, but came back for the package. Yet, if that were the case Keyes would have never left in the first place and would still be waiting on or in close proximity to Reach for that package.


This is my theory on what happened with that. The ship could have just lifted off and helped defend until the package needed to be taken so to do it in the safest way they sent the whole cruiser down so that the pelican would not risk getting shot down, the cortana is a copy used for decoding information, they pick blue team up on their way back, linda is the spartan in the pod for the easter egg bungie put in there since it said she was immediatley frozen when he got to the ship, they lifted off and ran like hell to jump to slip space. As for the ship not being damaged did the ship ever look damaged in halo CE? no. Did it look damaged when it was crashed not really just blackened so they didn't put the damage detail in there to correlate with the Halo CE. My theory not fact


you do understand that it would have been far smarter and safer to send pelicans to get cortana than the entire friggin ship?

And it was damaged like hell in CE, read the books, the only thing is halcyon class ships can lose more than half of their skeletal structure and still be largely intact (something like that going off memory). so despite it not looking crashed (and because it was on xbox) does not meant that it crashed like nothing.


I did read the books but you do understand that the image presented of the ship in Halo CE at the beginning does not look to be damaged even though it should be, I know the ship got it's guts carved out by a covenant ship and I know the skeletal structure thing. The pelican thing though, they were surrounded by phantoms and banshees and out of the two pelicans one was shot down immediately and the other would be easy bait having to go from the surface all the way back to the pillar of Autumn. Not trying to defend it to death just giving my opinion.

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I'm saying there was damage but no damage detail included in the game no plasma burns or that kind of junk

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Posted by: halfnhalf0527
I'm saying there was damage but no damage detail included in the game no plasma burns or that kind of junk


That's because of game engine's limitations or bad timeline/writing plot made by Bungie.

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Posted by: halfnhalf0527
I'm saying there was damage but no damage detail included in the game no plasma burns or that kind of junk


That's because of game engine's limitations or bad timeline/writing plot made by Bungie.


agreed

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The Long Night of Solace was at the battle of Sigma Octanus IV. It secretly penetrated the planet's defenses, took out a major communications relay and ferried large numbers of troopers and equipment to the surface.


source?

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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: USDA Beefmaster
I thought that Bungie said that the games were official canon? And lemme explain the Pillar of Autumn thing right now: Wasn't it severely damaged in a battle with a battleship and forced to land for repairs?


I don't remember it getting damaged by the cruiser at all.

And the Pillar never "landed" for repairs. Infact, the refitting station was in space, because it makes more sense that way.

>The pillar of autumn is refitted for it's mission in space
>The Pillar is leaving for it's mission when Reach is attacked
>The Pillar destroys a Super Cruiser
>They return to orbit and split into two teams.
>Red to the surface
>Blue to destroy NAV data
>John returns to the Pillar a short time later with a few marines(Johnson) and Linda's "dead" body.
>Keyes recognizes that Reach is screwed, and initiates Cole Protocol to try and escape.

That's basically how it went down.


Course with the game factored into it the second point becomes something of an oddity. Reach has been openly under siege for quite some time now, yet Keyes decides to take the Autumn out of Reach to the system's edge, then turn back to defend the planet.

Now the original reason for Keyes turning around was in response to the distress call that Reach has suddenly come under attack, but that is no longer feasible given the state Reach has been in, and the fact that Keyes is leaving the planet whilst it's under attack. So he'd be aware of the situation as it stands.

In terms of the current reason within the game's context there doesn't seem to really be one that can make real sense. One could argue that Keyes left Reach doomed as it was, but came back for the package. Yet, if that were the case Keyes would have never left in the first place and would still be waiting on or in close proximity to Reach for that package.


This is my theory on what happened with that. The ship could have just lifted off and helped defend until the package needed to be taken so to do it in the safest way they sent the whole cruiser down so that the pelican would not risk getting shot down, the cortana is a copy used for decoding information, they pick blue team up on their way back, linda is the spartan in the pod for the easter egg bungie put in there since it said she was immediatley frozen when he got to the ship, they lifted off and ran like hell to jump to slip space. As for the ship not being damaged did the ship ever look damaged in halo CE? no. Did it look damaged when it was crashed not really just blackened so they didn't put the damage detail in there to correlate with the Halo CE. My theory not fact


What was the point of deploying Red team from the Autumn then when they could've just went directly to the shield generators instead after the briefing.

  • 07.15.2011 5:39 PM PDT

If PoA landed..... WHY DIDN'T THEY PICK UP RED TEAM! KEYES SHOULD BE DEMOTED DAMMIT!

(only... he was killed by Flood. Serves him right)

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Meh, there's still errors in the Reach such as: Supercarrier being somehow undetected by UNSC, despite being military hub for entire UNSC, PoA being on ground and Covenant suddenly gets smart as since they only resort to brutal tactics.


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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

What i do love is how people talk about "retcons" yet the new versions of the books don't really change anything.

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KEYES SHOULD BE DEMOTED DAMMIT!
GTFO! Keyes is a motha flippin boss!

  • 07.18.2011 6:42 AM PDT

Posted by: N00B5600
If PoA landed..... WHY DIDN'T THEY PICK UP RED TEAM! KEYES SHOULD BE DEMOTED DAMMIT!

(only... he was killed by Flood. Serves him right)


They couldn't pick Red Team up for several very simple reasons. They had lost all contact with Red Team, the generator complex was almost completely and totally overrun by that point and had at least one cruiser that was in atmosphere and unloading its troops (I think there might have been more). Here're Keyes own words on the matter, "They were overrun by Covenant forces. They never made orbit. We've lost contact with them."

If you can't establish contact with someone it is incredibly hard to arrange a pick up, especially in an active hot zone. And his line about them never making orbit would indicate to me that he knew the Pelican had been shot down, but he didn't know about their hot drop. So for all he knew Red Team was all ready dead, it would be suicide to go out and look for them.

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  • 07.18.2011 9:17 AM PDT

How HairyEskimoLol deals with the canon errors:

Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Solution: Ignore all dates. Reach was invaded on some day and the invasion took an undisclosed amount of time.



Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Solution: Carter, Emile, and Jun were pulled out of Alpha Company before Operation: PROMETHEUS to undergo special training and form Noble Team some time in the future.



Error: ONI's actions as well as the Cole Protocol.

According to the Cole Protocol, if any Covenant Forces are detected, then all NAV bases and ships should purge their computers of information to protect Earth and the inner colonies.

Solution: Ignore all dates. The Covenant invaded on some day and some undisclosed time later ONI did their thing.



Error: Carter, Emile, and Jun's age.
Carter is born in 2520. He was 11 years old when Alpha Company began their training. This puts him 5 years above the previously stated age, and it makes no sense at all. Why would they have an 11 year old on the same training regime as a 4 year old? It's too large of a difference, and it's an error that can be avoiding by simply changing his birthdate. This same thing goes for Emile and Jun, who are older than 6 years old at Alpha training.

Solution: Ignore all birth dates. All the Spartan III's are around the same age.



Error: Lack of Orbital MAC's.

Solution: The Covenant launched attacks on the MAC cannons to disable them/render them useless. Those still functioning were occupied during "Long Night of Solace" or were not powerful enough to destroy the supercarrier.



Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.

Solution: The PoA landed after Master Chief returned to the ship in order to pick up Cortana's second half before blasting off to find the Halo ring.

That's how I patch up the canon in my own mind. Not perfect, but meh.

OR I could just totally disregard all of the books and just follow the games. That's WAY easier.


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Posted by: grey101
What i do love is how people talk about "retcons" yet the new versions of the books don't really change anything.



Exactly, Grey. There was no mention of retcons from new reprint of this book and this Reach game, so far.

Now I have a beef with something about yields of MAC, I swore that someone said that book said maximum yield is 64.5 kilotons of TNT for standard MAC which I went to my reprint fall of reach novel and I found nothing that mention that such thing, and even I re-played Reach campaign to use data pads and in-game cut-scene, also watched all videos they provided about details on Reach and it never said about retcon on MAC yields.

Oh, also please provide a direct quote and page number from Fall of Reach novel that said "64 kilotons of TNT" otherwise I'm going not believe it as maximum yield for UNSC MAC systems. (Yes, I'm talking you, Anton.)

Let me clear up on something about some people here may be misunderstood that 64.5 kilotons of TNT being highest firepower for standard MAC, is not maximum yield.

I recall A Puzzled Mind asked similar question as I did at 343i forums and a 343 employee said that it was undercharged shot, most likely 50% of entire charge. Also, he said that there is different types of MAC systems, also UNSC are capable of tweaking muzzle velocity, speed, power, etc at some extent.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

honestly the mods at 343 have the intelligence level of immortal josh, so don't pay attention to them.

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Posted by: grey101
honestly the mods at 343 have the intelligence level of immortal josh, so don't pay attention to them.



I didn't said a mod at 343 forums. I said a 343 employee that responded to A Puzzled Mind's email and he posted on 343 forum to back up his claim.

  • 07.18.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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Unfortunately I haven't taken the time to read any of the Halo novels although I do recognize them as valid cannon,as far as the errors with the dates of the invasion and fall of Reach here is my theory.
My Facts and Theory: Reach is a large planet very much under ONI control but its safe to say that if Noble encountered the first scouting party that ONI would NOT put the whole planet on red alert, plus you also have to take into consideration time constraints for communication. When Noble team makes contact with the first Covenant forces on July 24th we are very unclear as to where they came from or how, but during the first mission NOBLE ACTUAL Colonel Holland tells us that contact with VISEGRAD RELAY was lost the night before and all signals flat lined at 2600 hours, and that he responded with trooper fire teams to the lost signal since then those teams were declared MIA. Holland also states that he is overriding ONI authority by sending a Spartan team to check it out, so ONI is obviously trying to keep this under wraps, Carter also states that he read part of Noble 6's file that ONI didnt want him to read. ONI still obviously likes to keep things form people. While the VISEGRAD Relay was down there was a large enough gap that could have allowed a small Covenant cruiser to jump into the Space around REACH which would allow the Covie team to get planet side unnoticed. The covenant that have landed on Reach by the time of the first misson WINTER CONTINGENCY have already blocked Reach from communicating with other colonies, and even when Noble Teams Falcons are on approach to the relay Kat states that they have lost contact with command. The VISEGRAD relay is very high up in Reach's mountains and this would also help mask the presence of a Covenant scouting party, also with Reach being a Military outpost many ships are coming in and out of slip space and Reach's atmosphere every day, so its very plausible for a covenant ship to just pop right in undetected. Even while playing through WINTER CONTINGENCY you see signs of the Covenants stealthiness during this operation, they attacked the farmers in the mountains only at night and they also blew up a few bridges to hide their presence only for a short time. When Noble finds the dead scientist he is holding a small cartridge which looks similar to what Chief uses to carry Cortana in later games, this scientist is obviously working with Halsey on a means to store all of Cortana in a transportable method this is what the zealot team is after. They know that the Forerunner artifact that holds Cortana is on Reach. Then on the 26th the Covenant corvette lays siege to sword base which is located on a remote ice shelf region on Reach called Eposz this being ONI I doubt they alerted the whole damn planet, That's why ONI requested Noble team go to stop the siege to keep it under wraps. As for the Official Fall of Reach yes it happened on the 30th but covenant forces were prevalent from the 24th on until the full invasion and fall of Reach.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Bob saget China, hot damn!

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