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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?

  • 08.03.2011 11:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
You know maybe if i had room to breath and wasn't getting hammered everytime i said something i would offer my thoughts on the subject.

But what is the point when you are just going to say "immature", "maybe", "this is more fun".

you have your clear opinions on the subject that aren't going to change, so there is no use in trying to make a discussion about it when it will be circular and one sided.


When have I offered my opinion? I'm simply stating the facts. Pointing out the reasons for the inclusion and exclusion of certain facts in the game that you so desperately need to understand things. Pointing out possibilities exist within the realm of probability that nullify the points you try to make. If you think the argument is one sided, that's your problem.

Offer your thoughts. You have plenty of room to breathe. Its the internet, you can choose who you listen to and who you ignore. Don't take it so seriously. If you feel attacked, leave the thread. No sense in stressing over this. I have fun doing it.

  • 08.03.2011 11:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.

  • 08.03.2011 11:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.


Why don't you stop acting like a child, admit your part in this stupidity, and get on with it? You're all at fault.

  • 08.03.2011 11:23 AM PDT

Riverside23: For all the women of the group, if you've got a real man at least let him have his big piece of chicken.

WhtButterflyLiz: lol. Bring home bigger chikkinz, then, real man!!!

DEATHPIMP72: *throws pterodactyl on table*
Suck it JoeSki!!!

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.


Why don't you stop acting like a child, admit your part in this stupidity, and get on with it? You're all at fault.


So instead of getting to the discussion, you gripe about how everyone else has avoided the discussion and they're at fault, without offering a means to get back into the discussion. Forum policing, if you will.

Rather, how about you explain your stance on the matter? Do you need something to be confirmed or expressly stated to you for you to consider it possible?

  • 08.03.2011 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: GnadeMasta

Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.


Why don't you stop acting like a child, admit your part in this stupidity, and get on with it? You're all at fault.


Yes, I did have a part in it, but I was not acting like a child, because I did try being logical, and reason with him.

If you want to be helpful try restarting the original topic instead of coming in all guns blazing and starting another argument.

  • 08.03.2011 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GnadeMasta
Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.


Why don't you stop acting like a child, admit your part in this stupidity, and get on with it? You're all at fault.


So instead of getting to the discussion, you gripe about how everyone else has avoided the discussion and they're at fault, without offering a means to get back into the discussion. Forum policing, if you will.

Rather, how about you explain your stance on the matter? Do you need something to be confirmed or expressly stated to you for you to consider it possible?


I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 11:29 AM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.


Huh?


Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf


You are seriously lacking in knowledge of the Halo Universe



everything was fine until you jumped into the other conversation i was having and posted that.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 11:32 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2011 11:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: GnadeMasta

Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GnadeMasta
Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf
Posted by: GnadeMasta
Why don't all of you stop acting like little children in a pissing contest, and get back to discussion?


I was trying to have a discussion, but Grey wouldn't listen and started an argument.


Why don't you stop acting like a child, admit your part in this stupidity, and get on with it? You're all at fault.


So instead of getting to the discussion, you gripe about how everyone else has avoided the discussion and they're at fault, without offering a means to get back into the discussion. Forum policing, if you will.

Rather, how about you explain your stance on the matter? Do you need something to be confirmed or expressly stated to you for you to consider it possible?


I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.


I was not trying to turn it on you, I was in fact trying to turn in back on topic. Again, don't come in here all guns blazing, because you are just going to reignite what literally just ended.

At least I think it was just ending.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 11:31 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2011 11:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Here is a compilation of errors that we, the universe elite, have created in light of Halo: Reach's launch. Note, that this is STILL a work in progress, and will be upgraded as new breaks are located.



Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Proof: All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th.

Sources:Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach.



Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.

Sources:
- Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87.
- Halo Reach


Not to be a pain, but in Alpha Company, they were different spartans, Carter, Emile and Jun weren't in Alpha Company. I just read pages 83-87, didn't mention any of them so there is no proof that they were in the group.

  • 08.03.2011 11:34 AM PDT

Riverside23: For all the women of the group, if you've got a real man at least let him have his big piece of chicken.

WhtButterflyLiz: lol. Bring home bigger chikkinz, then, real man!!!

DEATHPIMP72: *throws pterodactyl on table*
Suck it JoeSki!!!

Posted by: GnadeMasta
I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.


Hahaha! Why are you so upset? You said it yourself, its just the internet.

I am trying to keep it on topic. I asked you, what is your stance on the matter? We know the positions of Grey, Sarg, and myself. You on the other hand have not made your point. Do you see the discrepencies as canon breakers, or differences with explanations?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GnadeMasta
I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.


Hahaha! Why are you so upset? You said it yourself, its just the internet.

I am trying to keep it on topic. I asked you, what is your stance on the matter? We know the positions of Grey, Sarg, and myself. You on the other hand have not made your point. Do you see the discrepencies as canon breakers, or differences with explanations?


he made his point months ago when everybody posted in this topic, we already know his point

  • 08.03.2011 11:36 AM PDT

Riverside23: For all the women of the group, if you've got a real man at least let him have his big piece of chicken.

WhtButterflyLiz: lol. Bring home bigger chikkinz, then, real man!!!

DEATHPIMP72: *throws pterodactyl on table*
Suck it JoeSki!!!

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GnadeMasta
I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.


Hahaha! Why are you so upset? You said it yourself, its just the internet.

I am trying to keep it on topic. I asked you, what is your stance on the matter? We know the positions of Grey, Sarg, and myself. You on the other hand have not made your point. Do you see the discrepencies as canon breakers, or differences with explanations?


he made his point months ago when everybody posted in this topic, we already know his point


Oh. Well, as you already pointed out, I haven't been around recently to know that. He could have stated that if he cared to. Wouldn't have come around if he didn't have a point. Hopefully someone can clarify where he stands.

  • 08.03.2011 11:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tasoki

Posted by: privet caboose
Here is a compilation of errors that we, the universe elite, have created in light of Halo: Reach's launch. Note, that this is STILL a work in progress, and will be upgraded as new breaks are located.



Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Proof: All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th.

Sources:Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach.



Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.

Sources:
- Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87.
- Halo Reach


Not to be a pain, but in Alpha Company, they were different spartans, Carter, Emile and Jun weren't in Alpha Company. I just read pages 83-87, didn't mention any of them so there is no proof that they were in the group.


Actually there is proof :(

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Carter-A259

But this does explain what happened to them

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-III_Alpha_Company

[Edited on 08.03.2011 11:40 AM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: longhorn10

I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.[/quote]

Hahaha! Why are you so upset? You said it yourself, its just the internet.

I am trying to keep it on topic. I asked you, what is your stance on the matter? We know the positions of Grey, Sarg, and myself. You on the other hand have not made your point. Do you see the discrepencies as canon breakers, or differences with explanations?[/quote]

he made his point months ago when everybody posted in this topic, we already know his point[/quote]

Oh. Well, as you already pointed out, I haven't been around recently to know that. He could have stated that if he cared to. Wouldn't have come around if he didn't have a point. Hopefully someone can clarify where he stands.


"it breaks canon, it isn't canon".


  • 08.03.2011 11:41 AM PDT

Riverside23: For all the women of the group, if you've got a real man at least let him have his big piece of chicken.

WhtButterflyLiz: lol. Bring home bigger chikkinz, then, real man!!!

DEATHPIMP72: *throws pterodactyl on table*
Suck it JoeSki!!!

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: longhorn10

I'd like it if the three of you... hell, me too, got a ban for a day. We're all of topic. Wake up. Grow some balls, and stop responding to insults. Get back to discussion. Go ahead and insult me, try to turn it around on me. I don't give a -blam!-. /caringontheinternet

As in, -blam!- stop posting about this -blam!-.[/quote]

Hahaha! Why are you so upset? You said it yourself, its just the internet.

I am trying to keep it on topic. I asked you, what is your stance on the matter? We know the positions of Grey, Sarg, and myself. You on the other hand have not made your point. Do you see the discrepencies as canon breakers, or differences with explanations?[/quote]

he made his point months ago when everybody posted in this topic, we already know his point[/quote]

Oh. Well, as you already pointed out, I haven't been around recently to know that. He could have stated that if he cared to. Wouldn't have come around if he didn't have a point. Hopefully someone can clarify where he stands.


"it breaks canon, it isn't canon".


Goodness. It seems we aren't getting anywhere. Fortunately for me, the draft I have been waiting for as hopped onto my lap. More pressing matters await. Thanks for the discussion.

Remember GnadeMasta, stay on topic ;)

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Eh. Even if it is full of plot holes, the games are still fun, and the books are entertaining.

  • 08.03.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tasoki

Posted by: privet caboose
Here is a compilation of errors that we, the universe elite, have created in light of Halo: Reach's launch. Note, that this is STILL a work in progress, and will be upgraded as new breaks are located.



Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Proof: All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th.

Sources:Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach.



Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.

Sources:
- Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87.
- Halo Reach


Not to be a pain, but in Alpha Company, they were different spartans, Carter, Emile and Jun weren't in Alpha Company. I just read pages 83-87, didn't mention any of them so there is no proof that they were in the group.


That's kinda the problem. There's not a single mention of Noble team at all in the novels, yet they're these "super special best of the best" Spartan III's that we've never heard a damn thing about. Not to mention that, but they're ages would've justified some sort of comment from Kurt in the novel.

The proof that they're from Alpha Company is right here on B.net. Look through the "Personnel" section of the Halo Reach page.

  • 08.03.2011 12:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
That's kinda the problem. There's not a single mention of Noble team at all in the novels, yet they're these "super special best of the best" Spartan III's that we've never heard a damn thing about. Not to mention that, but they're ages would've justified some sort of comment from Kurt in the novel.

The proof that they're from Alpha Company is right here on B.net. Look through the "Personnel" section of the Halo Reach page.


The first link says that Carter was in Alpha Company.
The second link says why he was NOT in the PROMETHEUS battle.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Carter-A259

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-III_Alpha_Company

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: privet caboose
That's kinda the problem. There's not a single mention of Noble team at all in the novels, yet they're these "super special best of the best" Spartan III's that we've never heard a damn thing about. Not to mention that, but they're ages would've justified some sort of comment from Kurt in the novel.

The proof that they're from Alpha Company is right here on B.net. Look through the "Personnel" section of the Halo Reach page.


The first link says that Carter was in Alpha Company.
The second link says why he was NOT in the PROMETHEUS battle.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Carter-A259

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-III_Alpha_Company


He is saying if they were so important they should have been brought up, and halopedia?lol.


Not yo mention it doesn't make sense that Emile and Jun join NOBLE later despite being in the same company as Carter. Jorges role in all this was never explained despite the fact bungie said it would be.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 12:59 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2011 12:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose


Error: Carter, Emile, and Jun's age.
Carter is born in 2520. He was 11 years old when Alpha Company began their training. This puts him 5 years above the previously stated age, and it makes no sense at all. Why would they have an 11 year old on the same training regime as a 4 year old? It's too large of a difference, and it's an error that can be avoiding by simply changing his birthdate. This same thing goes for Emile and Jun, who are older than 6 years old at Alpha training.

Proof: Page 69(I'm doing this by memory, I may be wrong.) of Ghosts of Oynx states that all of Alpha Company was comprised of 4, 5, and 6 year old children that he was going to have to forge into the best warriors humanity has ever seen.

Source: Ghosts of Oynx, page 69.



If they were put into cryo sleep on the way to training they could be younger then they actually are (SgT. Johnson should be pushing by Halo 3. Buck Not looking anywhere near his Age). Also Slipspace has always had interesting effects in time/space, IE First Strike When the time goes from late September back to The fall of Reach.

Both are possible solutions.

  • 08.03.2011 1:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ultratog1028



We already came to that conclusion, it is just the people that are new to this thread are bringing up old stuff that has already been covered.

  • 08.03.2011 1:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ultratog1028



We already came to that conclusion, it is just the people that are new to this thread are bringing up old stuff that has already been covered.


When you have 115 pages worth of stuff it's hard NOT to come back to something, unless OP changes his first post so that everyone can see it got brought up.

Also thanks for explaining about Noble team.

Edit: By the way, it wasn't Halopedia ;P

[Edited on 08.03.2011 2:17 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2011 2:09 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: Tasoki

Posted by: privet caboose
Here is a compilation of errors that we, the universe elite, have created in light of Halo: Reach's launch. Note, that this is STILL a work in progress, and will be upgraded as new breaks are located.



Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Proof: All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th.

Sources:Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach.



Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.

Sources:
- Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87.
- Halo Reach


Not to be a pain, but in Alpha Company, they were different spartans, Carter, Emile and Jun weren't in Alpha Company. I just read pages 83-87, didn't mention any of them so there is no proof that they were in the group.


That's kinda the problem. There's not a single mention of Noble team at all in the novels, yet they're these "super special best of the best" Spartan III's that we've never heard a damn thing about. Not to mention that, but they're ages would've justified some sort of comment from Kurt in the novel.

The proof that they're from Alpha Company is right here on B.net. Look through the "Personnel" section of the Halo Reach page.

Isn't there some retconned shenanigans that states that the members of Noble Team were pulled from those missions for "special training" or something? I mean, it's obviously retcon shenanigans, but I'm pretty sure there is an official stance on it somewhere.

What has always struck me as funny is why Bungie decided to tell the story that they did in Halo: Reach. I mean, Bungie was certainly aware of the lore discrepancies Reach would create, and they opted to tell the story anyway. I'm just curious as to why they opted to tell Reach's story knowing this, as opposed to doing the actual story of the Fall of Reach. It'd be cool to know the reasoning.

[Edited on 08.03.2011 2:25 PM PDT]

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