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Posted by: Juan Teran
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Juan Teran
I remember when someone asked Frankie if Jun's fate will ever be revealed.
He said we will never know what really happened to him. In my opinion, he pretty much admitted (indirectly, of course) that they won't even bother repairing Halo:Reach, the story is a mess that can't be repaired.
Main reason I don't consider the game canon and only ONI propaganda.
That assumption does not make any sense at all. So because they're not closing one aspect of the story (which really doesn't need much said about it) means that they won't deal with any of the rest of it? That's absolutely ridiculous! Where's your source for that quote anyway? I want to see the actual quote and context.
And if the story can't be repaired then why are there so many people around on here, and on Waypoint's forums, who have proposed completely valid, and well thought out reasons that are completely plausible and fix the stories? Hmm, answer me that?
And for your information, they have been dealing with pieces of Reach in small amounts, for instance in Visual Guide or whatever it's called that just came out or very small little bits and pieces in the Waypoint videos.
You may consider it non-canon, you are very wrong in that assumption however. 343i regards Halo: Reach fully as canon, so your claims otherwise are moot. Like it or not, for better or worse, the game is canon and you can't officially do anything about it.Wrong Coma, I've seen most of your posts, and if it wasn't for the fact that you take grammar seriously, and strongly believe that your arguments can change the world, I would immediately consider you a troll. In fact, most of the stuff you write makes no sense at all.
According to you (sadly, I don't have the exact quote), it's good that Bungie broke the whole canon because it allows people to be "imaginative" and repair it by themselves. Also, you think that those who don't like Reach are only sad people who sit in front of their computer and do nothing but complain. Does that even make sense? And don't deny you've said this in the past.
Again, Frankie is quick to comment that "we will never know what happened to Jun". Why not simply say that he died protecting Halsey? Or at least say that we will know in the future? Jun is not a minor character, he is a member of your beloved Noble Team. And you can see that actual quote in Halo Waypoint Youtube Channel when they respond to fan questions. In fact, I'm surprised you haven't seen that video yet.
As for the small community who is trying to repair all the canon errors that Bungie made, are you seriously demanding a response from me? That question can only be answered with another question: WHY ARE THE FANS REPAIRING ALL THIS MESS? If Bungie cared, they would respect the established canon rather than creating all this mess.
Oh yeah, I forgot, Games > Books, right? Wrong, Bungie made the Halo Story Bible, which they gave to Eric Nylund to write Halo: The Fall of Reach. I said this in the past, and someone replied at me that "Bungie only gave bits of the bible to the writers". Can't really remember who said that, but that person should be ashamed of himself/herself because that makes absolutely no sense. So Bungie contradicted it's own story before this game even existed?
Sadly, I have to agree with you in your last sentence, there's nothing I can do. It's like that episode of The Simpsons, "The Principal and the Pauper", it happened, it was a mistake and we are still working in a time machine to protect our eyes from that episode, but still, it happened. There's nothing we can do about it. Idio... people will protect it and say it was a brave move from the writers, others will use common sense and, according to your logic, do nothing but complain about it. Reach is the exact same scenario, it happened, Bungie's tribute to the fans my ass...
Oh brother, so because you don't agree with me I'm essentially a troll? That is possibly one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. My posts may not seem to make sense to you, the rest of the community doesn't seem to have any trouble understanding me or my comments, so I think it's safe to assume that it's just you.
*facepalm* I have never said that any time in my life or my time on these forums! What you have done is taken bits and pieces of various things I've said, stripped them completely of my original meaning, and thrown in your own biases.
It'd be good if we had been given all the answers for the conflicts still standing (which I don't think are really that major), but we didn't so there's not much use crying about it :/ What I have said is that trying to work the stories into one whole ourselves is a better alternative than just pointing faults (whether merely imagined, actual, severe, or minor) and complaining about it not being fixed immediately.
And I most certainly do not think that about everyone who hates Reach (and I have never said either of those two things!), from some people that might be true, but not the majority of the people here. In fact, I'm on good terms with most of the people on here you see me arguing with! Like Grey, we're not exactly the best of pals as we always seem to be on opposite sides of all the various Halo issues, but he and I are friends.
I don't know, I'm not Frank O'Conner so I don't know why he wouldn't say anything definite about Jun. I haven't had the time to do much of that sort of thing lately, I've been meaning to go watch the Comic Con interviews, just haven't managed to get to it yet. In the big scope of things Jun is a minor character, so are the rest of Noble Team really. They're the same as the characters of ODST, they're not really major players in Halo's overall lore, thus they are minor characters. Being a minor character does not mean that one is insignificant and disposable though, like for instance look at Lord of the Rings, the characters of Theoden, Eomer, Eowyn, Faramir, and many more, are not really major characters, yet they're by no means insignificant to the story. The same with Noble.
Yes I am demanding a response from you, you made the spurious claim that it was impossible to reconcile TFoR and Halo: Reach despite the large number of posts to the contrary that show the canon can be made completely cohesive and the stories can be made to match.
My opinion is that Bungie (having access to all notes on both subject sources and all that) is satisfied with how they have linked things and believe that whatever they didn't explain are all things that can be resolved with just plain common sense (which most of them can) or they felt what they haven't all ready explained should be resolved by 343i as they are now the creative heads of Halo and might wish to alter or change whatever Bungie had and didn't all ready release. I personally think it is a mixture of the two. That is why I think Bungie didn't explain everything.
Fans are proposing fixes because they actually care enough to try and find reasonable explanations themselves rather than waiting to be spoon fed everything and have it all explained for them. None of the prominent members here really do the latter, but is kind of what I have observed from their attitudes on the matter :/ And I'm not saying that waiting and not trying to figure it out is a bad thing, I'm saying that those trying to silence people who are trying to work it out and proposing theories and ideas is what is bad.
And do you know what was in the HSB at that time? Or how much it has changed and evolved over the years? And not to mention that there actually is a quote from Nylund regarding TFoR that there were some things he completely made up as well as some things he and Bungie didn't exactly agree on in regards to the story. And besides which, Bungie has also stated that they weren't really expecting Halo to really be something big like it is now, and you can kind of see that reflected in TFoR. Naturally as a universe like Halo that wasn't initially meant for anymore than a "one time deal" sort of thing expands some things in the earlier stories are going to have to be changed to make sense in a fully expanded and very complex universe.
I've said that before because it's true, I can't say if anyone else has said it too though. Why would Bungie give the whole Halo Bible to the people writing the books? That's pretty much asking for disaster to occur somewhere down the road. It is far more sensible to give the relevant bits and pieces for the authors to write their stories. If you had created a story and were still crafting its universe and you had hired someone else to come alongside and produce supplementary media in addition to what you yourself published, would you give them all your notes on the whole universe, or would you give them only the pieces they needed to build their portion? The second is the sensible thing to do and saying someone should be ashamed of making that claim is ridiculous >_>