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Posted by: Stardriver 1
No retcons required. There's obviously more about the Covenant that has yet to be told. The Halo Universe is so vast that 10 years from now we may still wonder what the Covenant is/was/will be capable of.
more that has to be INVENTED to explain why they diverted from the traditional description
My son, who is much more into this than I am, pointed out to me yesterday that there are entire separate fleets composed primarily of Zealots that are tasked with finding forunner artifacts. As we learned in, I believe, Contact:Harvest, the Covenant use "Forunner artifact detectors." Such a device surely would have exploded upon detecting Reach, and the Prophets would have dispatched their best "get Forunner stuff" fleet which I would imagine would the have the latest, best technology and equipment for executing the will of the Prophets. This would most likely be stuff the UNSC and even ONI doesn't have a clue about.
-Reach was discovered (as explained in TFoR) by a covie spy probe latching onto the Iroquois and transmitting data back to the command element. Space is a LARGE place, the covenant, however large and powerful they may be cannot run around sweeping this devices searching for "gold." The devices are also programmed to show humans as forerunner artifacts- though this was tampered with; in order to deceive the covenant into attempting xenocide against the human race. (C:H) The device "explodes" any time a human world is detected.
-Source for the "zealot fleet?" I dont recall anything.
-While the UNCS and ONI don't know the full extent of the Covenants capabilities- we the readers have a much better picture. Thus far what we know conflicts with what has been presented to us on a plot level, and in logical arguments.
This fleet was did not go to Reach to "destroy all humans." They were there to "get Forunner stuff." Because they are Zealots they must kill the humans for touching Holy Relics, but for the most part that job was left to the "normal" fleets that showed up on August 30, as was told in TFoR.
-From what we have seen in the game, the original covenant presense was on reach to pave a way for a larger force (scout and sabotage) with a small group of zealots, who apparently infiltrated an ONI research station to uncover artifacts (as detailed in the Reach Mission "Winter Contingency gameplay and Dr. Halsey cutscene." Our argument up to this point was how the covenant managed to park a corvette in orbit, set up the pylons, and establish a ground presence in the first place. Logically, and given the extent of technology- this makes little sense. (in regards to the timeline- zealots are shown in the ruins under castle base in First Strike)
This strategy is both imitative and innovative. Just because the various species that comprise the Covenant haven't reached the technological level of the Forunners dosen't mean they're stupid.
-The covenant was never considered stupid, just will fully ignorant, as well as holding themselves back due to misplacing a religious reverence on forerunner artifacts.
-I don't understand the base of your "innovative and imitative" argument.
The problem some people are having is that, having played all the games and read all the books and otherwise perused all the available media, they believe they know all there is about the Halo universe. Refusing to accept that there are things they still don't know can be frustrating. All you parents out there know what it's like to have teenage kids that "know everything." It takes a while to figure out that you can't know what you haven't learned.
-So far it would appear that the fans have a more in depth understanding of fluff and canon than the developers themselves. This is actually a common occurrence among large universe and dedicated fanboys (ie. Star Trek and Star Wars.)
-We refuse to accept what has been offered to us because that information falls apart under scrutiny; and when compared to pre- existing information.
-Your last point is pretty arrogant; similar in manner to those teenage punks you compare us to.
The more I play Reach (I work, so I play when I can, and I haven't finished the campaign yet) the more I find how invalid most of these "inconsistencies" turn out to be. Jumping all over Bungie for, as yet, unexplained occurrences does not make you a diehard fan. A more in-depth analysis of what has been told will help you gain insight into what may be possible.
-Finish the game; read the books. Draw your own conclusions, present your arguments.
-We're jumping on bungie because we expected better of them.
-I'm pretty sure being a die hard fan is, in fact, being obsessed and having overwhelming knowledge of the universe that you follow. Yes, there are multiple versions of die hard fans.
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