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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: Fatal Factor
"Reach was invaded July 24 fool!"

Yes it was, but it wasnt the same invasion fleet described in TFoR, it was the LNOS fleet (which by the way is a large enough ship to hold its entire fleet INSIDE itself). People have complained about how the fleet of particular justice steamrolled reach in 2 hours when reach was suppose to be our fortress world. Why do you think that is? Because there were two seperate invasion waves beforehand which softened it up for the fleet of particular justice to deliver the final hammerblow. Its called warfare.


Bull-blam!-. If the covenant attacked on July 24th, whatever the force they were using, the invasion must be said to have started on that date.


"Noble teams ages dun maek no sense!"

Cryo sleep. Also the best you can tell from their ingame appearances is that they are all in their early to mid 20s


So they slapped Carter in a freezer for 6 years just in case the powers at be needed another youngster to exploit? Please do consider your arguments before you submit them.

"POA not rated for atmosphere! OMG!"

No it is not. Which is why you see those HUGE BRIGHT YELLOW disposable boosters it needed just to take off from reach and which it presumably needed to get down in one piece too. You can see the results of an unassisted atmospheric landing attempt on alpha halo, when keys takes her down and manages to gouge a mile long trench in the ground and nearly tips her over a cliff.


Yes, it is. Those little boosters only lifted the PoA off the platform. Once free, it flew..FLEW perfectly well on it's own which doesn't leave any room for creative re-interpretations of the bull-blam!- Bungie pulled with this game.


The worst of this isn't, of course, the logistic complications of source contradicting source within Halo. Much greater franchises have suffered from far worse, namely Christianity (ba-dum tish). But, it's particularly bad here because it shows a lack of caring.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 11:44 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Yes, it is. Those little boosters only lifted the PoA off the platform. Once free, it flew..FLEW perfectly well on it's own which doesn't leave any room for creative re-interpretations of the bull-blam!- Bungie pulled with this game.


By the time those booster rockets have fallen off, the Autumn had already picked up quite a bit of upwards and forward acceleration from the ENORMOUS ENGINES ON THE BACK OF IT. What you NEVER see the Autumn doing is hovering in midair like the UNSC Grafton or the Truth and Reconciliation, or multiple other ships in Halo. A rocket can fly too, and go into space, but it doesn't mean its an aircraft.

Also, the PoA is quite large. I think you should change your perspective on how "little" those boosters really are.

Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
So they slapped Carter in a freezer for 6 years just in case the powers at be needed another youngster to exploit? Please do consider your arguments before you submit them.


Slipspace transitions reguarly take months, during which the nonessential crew are generally in cryosleep. It doesn't take too much a stretch of the imagination--or that many slipspace jumps--to get people of radically different ages even though they may have started out the same age.

[Edited on 11.05.2011 7:52 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Astartes Marine
We also know that this supercarrier and the magical cloak that can cover a 95,000 foot long starship are never seen in the series again. Neither are Corvettes for that matter.


Umm...I'm pretty sure the supercarrier was blown up...that's probably why it was never seen again...
As for other supercarriers...we did see another supercarrier in the form of Ghost of Onyx's Sublime Transcendence.

As for the rest, I agree with OrderedComa...the Covenant really didn't have much of an opportunity to be stealthy like Reach again. Besides...I think its really only a tactic you can use once. If the UNSC saw cloaking spires like those again they'd know that there was a cloaked ship lurking above them.

As for Corvettes only appearing in Reach...well, we didn't see the tuning forks after Halo CE much either...

Posted by: Astartes Marine
Covie ships at that time came out of slipspace away from planets...........Anyways, as a ship like that would have exited away from the planet it would have, as shown in "The Fall of Reach", been picked up by the many sensor and detection stations in that star system (Fall of Reach).


Let me know if I'm wrong...can human tech detect one relatively small Covenant ship exiting Slipspace?? If not, then one of these could carry the Cloaking Spires, dump them on the planet, along with some troops, activate the spires, feed precise co-ordinates to LNoS (either by leaving the system, or whatever), and have the LNoS jump right into the cloaking field???

[Edited on 11.05.2011 7:58 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Bull-blam!-. If the covenant attacked on July 24th, whatever the force they were using, the invasion must be said to have started on that date.


So if they sent a single group of Zealots, that would be the day the invasion started?? Or a few ships to set up a beachhead?? Or just sent a couple of waves just to harass the enemy and probe for weaknesses?? I thought that when people refer to the invasion day...D-Day, if you will...that's when one side drops the really heavy end of the hammer on the other and launches a major push into their territory.

Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
The worst of this isn't, of course, the logistic complications of source contradicting source within Halo. Much greater franchises have suffered from far worse, namely Christianity (ba-dum tish). But, it's particularly bad here because it shows a lack of caring.


Don't drag people's religions into this...I may or may not agree with you on those contradictions...but using a franchise that pretty much everyone agrees is fictional would make your point a lot better than telling people that their faith is merely a franchise. Or maybe you just don't care.

Now if Bungie didn't care, they wouldn't have spent so much time trying to retcon material and keep the books and the games in the same canon. They would just say, "Oh, yeah, we changed that. Deal with it." As you said, there's always going to be errors in a franchise...like in Star Wars, or Star Trek, or LotR, or Babylon 5...

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  • 11.05.2011 5:20 AM PDT

What a vacuous set of counterarguments.


Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
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@Fatal Factor
...Wait...are you saying that my arguments are a waste of space? Or are you talking to Matu Fip Krawfe..? Not cool, either way...
@Pipboy3070
I posted a reply to you on the previous page of this thread in case your interested, but I had the wrong name written down. Oops.

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  • 11.05.2011 5:45 AM PDT

I quoted the matu guy.

  • 11.05.2011 10:22 AM PDT

I don't have time to read 124 pages of thread, but is it generally accepted that Bungie -blam!- up with the game Reach, wiping out the second half (give or take) of TFoR book?

(Also thank god for the blam filter)

  • 11.05.2011 10:25 PM PDT


Posted by: spartan058 bill
I don't have time to read 124 pages of thread, but is it generally accepted that Bungie -blam!- up with the game Reach, wiping out the second half (give or take) of TFoR book?

(Also thank god for the blam filter)


Bollocks! I know just as many, if not more, people who say that there's nothing canonically wrong with Reach as I do people who say it's a load of crap that completely trashed canon. So no, it is not "generally accepted" that Reach messed up canon.

Canon is just fine, especially since we now have much more information in the form of the Data Drops that 343i released recently.

  • 11.06.2011 12:21 PM PDT

It definitely conflicts with TFoR book, which I've counted as canon because of what Bungie said before Reach came out. What disappoints me is that they ignored their own material (whether or not it counts as 'canon' is immaterial, because before the game Reach, it definitely was).

  • 11.06.2011 10:31 PM PDT

Can't touch my awesomeness!!!!

All of Noble Team's members have been pulled out of their ccompanies right after training, but they kept their numbers (A259, B312). In Waypoint, they had Noble Team Personel Profiles/Performence Reviews and even mentioned Rosenda-344 which was suppose to be Emile's replacement during anti-insurrection operations (this was ignored during Winter Contingency) and Thom was the former 6.

As for the MAC cannons, I dont know wher they were at the time, but they wanted to blow the cruiser from the inside out, but the "bomb" malfunctioned and so Jorge stayed behind.
I guess the MAC Cannons were destroyed when the future Arbiter, Thel Vadamee and his fleet destroyed them, they appear in the Matchmaking and in the Halo: Reach teaser trailer all in bits.

Sorry for any spelling errors and if I'm wrong, plz don't bash me, just write it down in a response.

  • 11.07.2011 12:35 AM PDT


Posted by: spartan058 bill
It definitely conflicts with TFoR book, which I've counted as canon because of what Bungie said before Reach came out. What disappoints me is that they ignored their own material (whether or not it counts as 'canon' is immaterial, because before the game Reach, it definitely was).


Um, no. Nothing in TFoR was ignored, the only thing that has changed at all are some of the reactions the characters in TFoR have to the Covenant being there on the 30th, and that's it. The two do not conflict and TFoR was not ignored. Both are canon and both fit to form one whole.

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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I think the date is the same just using reach's calander.

I would support the way the game was done but there are some things i feel muck up how it should have been.

  • 11.07.2011 10:00 AM PDT

"Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."--23:5

So basically, most of Halo's errors originate from Halo: Reach. Makes sense.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 4:33 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 4:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Matu Flp Krawfe
Bull-blam!-. If the covenant attacked on July 24th, whatever the force they were using, the invasion must be said to have started on that date.


No, it doesn't. You see, there is a difference between an INVASION, and a scouting force or a simple attack.

What happened in winter contingency was not an Invasion.

  • 12.14.2011 4:55 PM PDT

Ive always wondered something now I am a big halo fan but for some reason when I see all of us going crazy insulting others about how they either dont know the story or dont understand the characters. I always wonder, why do we act like idiotic smeg heads, I understand if we use this universe to dwell into something we can like and escape from the world, but isnt their a fine line between knowing it and having fun and Being so into a universe it takes over so much you critisize others about their knowledge?

  • 12.14.2011 5:29 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: Alf stewert
Ive always wondered something now I am a big halo fan but for some reason when I see all of us going crazy insulting others about how they either dont know the story or dont understand the characters. I always wonder, why do we act like idiotic smeg heads, I understand if we use this universe to dwell into something we can like and escape from the world, but isnt their a fine line between knowing it and having fun and Being so into a universe it takes over so much you critisize others about their knowledge?
And I thought the reach forum was bad. This whole thread has gone to hell ever since bungie left halo. Sad to c nowadays. Instead of telling people good job with at least attempting a thread, people just tell them everything is wrong. Got to miss Wolverfrog these days...

  • 12.14.2011 5:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: jack254
6: that stealth is part of the game when there should be technologie preventing this

You can't exactly stop someone from bending light around themselves...

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Posted by: P3P5I
Maybe. Maybe the energy required to cloak a gigantic ship that well does damage to another part of the ship that renders it useless for days until repair or some other reason that wouldn't allow the Covenant to mass produce this technology.

That, or elites think it dishonorable to hide from battle. Personal active camo is a combat tool, where cloaking an entire ship is hiding, a cowardly act.

  • 12.14.2011 6:16 PM PDT

My only thought.

  • 12.15.2011 2:36 PM PDT

I love Dr Pepper!

Look guys, I have a moderation notice!!! how exciting!

Ya Halo reach was a great game to those of you who care nothing about the story line, but for those of us who do it kindov sucks and it didnt go accuratly with the real story at all.

  • 12.15.2011 2:55 PM PDT

I love Dr Pepper!

Look guys, I have a moderation notice!!! how exciting!


Posted by: Lobster Fish 2
My only thought.


HAHA wow lol

  • 12.15.2011 2:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Da Kman117
Ya Halo reach was a great game to those of you who care nothing about the story line, but for those of us who do it kindov sucks and it didnt go accuratly with the real story at all.


I care just as much about the overall Halo story as any of the other major posters in the Universe forum (Grey101, Anton1792, DaeFaron, Decepticon Cobra, Elder Bias, Wolverfrog, and too many more really active members to name), however I have absolutely no problem meshing Reach and TFoR (neither one of which is the "real story"), and quite frankly Reach fixed a lot of the problems that the battle in the book had. And I really enjoyed the game, probably one of the best in the series in my opinion.

  • 12.15.2011 3:21 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
neither one of which is the "real story"
What do you mean with that argument?

Posted by: OrderedComa
and quite frankly Reach fixed a lot of the problems that the battle in the book had.
Please enlighten me, as I didn't have any problem with the battle book.

In fact, the only problem some people (more like idiots) had with the book is the fact that Reach fell in a single day. Yeah, let's ignore this awesome story overall, Reach fell in a day, -blam!- Nylund, he knows nothing of the Halo Universe.

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  • 12.15.2011 6:02 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: OrderedComa
neither one of which is the "real story"
What do you mean with that argument?

Posted by: OrderedComa
and quite frankly Reach fixed a lot of the problems that the battle in the book had.
Please enlighten me, as I didn't have any problem with the battle book.

In fact, the only problem some people (more like idiots) had with the book is the fact that Reach fell in a single day. Yeah, let's ignore this awesome story overall, Reach fell in a day, -blam!- Nylund, he knows nothing of the Halo Universe.


How about the fact Reach had zero ground defenses, and lost the most important locations on the planet to a bum rush by maybe a 100 or few hundred dropships?

Or how those locations fell within 2-3 hours despite travel time and the fact the dropships would have to regroup and figure out who is left?

What about the fact the UNSC ground forces never mobilized or put up a fight, and the UNSC airforce with skyhawks (anti-tank missles and 4 50mm cannons) never did a thing?

  • 12.15.2011 6:12 PM PDT