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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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I too was wondering where all the MAC cannons and humans ships were during Reach. Jorge :(

  • 09.23.2010 5:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Bouncer7
I too was wondering where all the MAC cannons and humans ships were during Reach. Jorge :(

20 Orbital MAC platforms on Reach, as well as 100 ships permanently stationed in orbit.

And we see jack diddly of that up in space.

  • 09.23.2010 6:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Bouncer7
I too was wondering where all the MAC cannons and humans ships were during Reach. Jorge :([/quote]
20 Orbital MAC platforms on Reach, as well as 100 ships permanently stationed in orbit.

And we see jack diddly of that up in space.
When you say see, do you mean seeing them with our eyes? Because they are only a few hundred meters long. Not that visible in space. Also we don't know if they are attacking other targets, on the other side of the planet, ect. TFoR makes it seem like they were only on one side of the planet which if that were true, would be a catastrophic error on behalf of nylund because just in case I am mistaken, I thought they just rotated the planet and didn't have any engines or thrusters except for dodgeing other ships, junk, ect so the Covenant could just go on the far side of the planet, deploy all their troops, and then attack them/destroy them with boarding parties like they did in Halo 2.

Another reason might be they might of "left" the area because they wouldn't want to be near a Covenant supercarrier which could snipe them. They left it be (unless it was attacking them of course) so that Noble Team could execute OPERATION: UPPERCUT and destroy it.

Just a thought.

  • 09.23.2010 7:19 PM PDT

Nice

  • 09.23.2010 7:25 PM PDT

When you say see, do you mean seeing them with our eyes? Because they are only a few hundred meters long. Not that visible in space. Also we don't know if they are attacking other targets, on the other side of the planet, ect. TFoR makes it seem like they were only on one side of the planet which if that were true, would be a catastrophic error on behalf of nylund because just in case I am mistaken, I thought they just rotated the planet and didn't have any engines or thrusters except for dodgeing other ships, junk, ect so the Covenant could just go on the far side of the planet, deploy all their troops, and then attack them/destroy them with boarding parties like they did in Halo 2.

Another reason might be they might of "left" the area because they wouldn't want to be near a Covenant supercarrier which could snipe them. They left it be (unless it was attacking them of course) so that Noble Team could execute OPERATION: UPPERCUT and destroy it.


You do realize that the Covenant fleet didn't even arrived yet, right? Which begs the question why in the world did the UNSC allow a SuperCarrier to float around and be a giant dick. It only takes 3 rounds from a MAC to murder Covenant shields. Imagine the 100 ships that coulda been used...practically, whoever wrote the script was an idiot.

[Edited on 09.23.2010 7:47 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2010 7:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Sniffy66
Posted by: Bouncer7
I too was wondering where all the MAC cannons and humans ships were during Reach. Jorge :([/quote]
20 Orbital MAC platforms on Reach, as well as 100 ships permanently stationed in orbit.

And we see jack diddly of that up in space.
When you say see, do you mean seeing them with our eyes? Because they are only a few hundred meters long. Not that visible in space. Also we don't know if they are attacking other targets, on the other side of the planet, ect. TFoR makes it seem like they were only on one side of the planet which if that were true, would be a catastrophic error on behalf of nylund because just in case I am mistaken, I thought they just rotated the planet and didn't have any engines or thrusters except for dodgeing other ships, junk, ect so the Covenant could just go on the far side of the planet, deploy all their troops, and then attack them/destroy them with boarding parties like they did in Halo 2.

Another reason might be they might of "left" the area because they wouldn't want to be near a Covenant supercarrier which could snipe them. They left it be (unless it was attacking them of course) so that Noble Team could execute OPERATION: UPPERCUT and destroy it.

Just a thought.

See what A Puzzled Mind wrote.
Now, I assume SMACs have some sort of propulsion system(it would make no sense to just let them float in orbit and be totally under the whim of gravitational rotation).

SMACs can cause near fatal damage to a shielded Covenant capital ship with a single round, outright destroying lesser shielded craft in a single round. (3,000 ton slugs fired at 50% the speed of light.)

Now, one could say, that the Covenant jumped in on the side that the SMACs were not positioned, and since it is in orbit, is too close for the SMACs to fire on(A tactic the Covenant utilized).

That doesn't really explain the 100 UNSC ships that have permanent resident by Reach not doing anything. Kat makes it sound like the only option to destroying the Supercarrier is to have them fly up there and destroy it themselves(In the cutscene she mentions something about not having any more nukes, can anyone confirm? It's the same cutscene where she dies.)

  • 09.23.2010 7:53 PM PDT

Posted by: cB4d93
Posted by: Silent Eli
you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

I've come up with a simple timeline based on some personal speculation.

Early July, a prototype Supercarrier with a Zealot Artifact team makes a pinpoint jump to each, unaware that it is a Human planet after discovering it's location via a Luminary.

The Shipmaster decides to prepare a preliminary invasion after sending a transmission to High Charity, but the Iroqouis had already been tagged and the Covenant know about Reach as well.

Noble Team encounters the unnamed Zealot team on Visegrad, and their cover is blown. Field Marshall sends a Corvette to attack Sword Base, which ONI keeps quiet. An untold amount of time Later Noble discovers what the Covenant had been hiding for almost a month.

Tip of the Spear happens, and the cat is out of the Bag, A Supercarrier demolished the Grafton and heads to low orbit away from the ODPS and under the nose of the fleet, where it reactivates it's cloaking field.

In Long Night of Solace, the Carrier deactivates it's stealth systems for when the Ardent Prayer initiates a refueling stop. The Carrier is destroyed, and an unknown time later, before August 23rd, a possible task force arrives at Reach and makes a beeline for the atmosphere.

Since the Frigates can't do jack against CCS Cruisers, Marathons and Halcyons are stuck in space not able to assist, and the ground battle is brutal for humanity.

As the covenant gain more and more footage on Reach, Noble goes to torch Sword Base on the 29th and the PoA is being refit. Halsey gives the segment of Cortana to Noble 6 and on August 30th, the full fleet of Particular Justice exits slipspace, and the UNSCDF Fleet and ODPs engage, and the battle in the novel plays out. Keyes joins the battle shortly after departing from the surface, where he picks up the remnants of Blue Team and departs for Halo, Thel and his battlegroup persue leaving the majority of the fleet to burn Reach.

What's left of Reach's fleet is crushed and the Covenant Fleet form up to destroy the planet. Halsey, Red Team, and any UNSC survivors enter Castle Base, and possibly Jun too, to escape the glassing. Noble Six makes his final stand to join his comrades. The main Battle is over and the events of first strike play out.

  • 09.23.2010 8:17 PM PDT


Posted by: BK Burger Boy
I've come up with a simple timeline based on some personal speculation.

Early July, a prototype Supercarrier with a Zealot Artifact team makes a pinpoint jump to each, unaware that it is a Human planet after discovering it's location via a Luminary.

The Shipmaster decides to prepare a preliminary invasion after sending a transmission to High Charity, but the Iroqouis had already been tagged and the Covenant know about Reach as well.

Noble Team encounters the unnamed Zealot team on Visegrad, and their cover is blown. Field Marshall sends a Corvette to attack Sword Base, which ONI keeps quiet. An untold amount of time Later Noble discovers what the Covenant had been hiding for almost a month.

Tip of the Spear happens, and the cat is out of the Bag, A Supercarrier demolished the Grafton and heads to low orbit away from the ODPS and under the nose of the fleet, where it reactivates it's cloaking field.

In Long Night of Solace, the Carrier deactivates it's stealth systems for when the Ardent Prayer initiates a refueling stop. The Carrier is destroyed, and an unknown time later, before August 23rd, a possible task force arrives at Reach and makes a beeline for the atmosphere.

Since the Frigates can't do jack against CCS Cruisers, Marathons and Halcyons are stuck in space not able to assist, and the ground battle is brutal for humanity.

As the covenant gain more and more footage on Reach, Noble goes to torch Sword Base on the 29th and the PoA is being refit. Halsey gives the segment of Cortana to Noble 6 and on August 30th, the full fleet of Particular Justice exits slipspace, and the UNSCDF Fleet and ODPs engage, and the battle in the novel plays out. Keyes joins the battle shortly after departing from the surface, where he picks up the remnants of Blue Team and departs for Halo, Thel and his battlegroup persue leaving the majority of the fleet to burn Reach.

What's left of Reach's fleet is crushed and the Covenant Fleet form up to destroy the planet. Halsey, Red Team, and any UNSC survivors enter Castle Base, and possibly Jun too, to escape the glassing. Noble Six makes his final stand to join his comrades. The main Battle is over and the events of first strike play out.

There's more I need to ponder before making comments, but someone went back and played the mission where the carrier is revealed, nothing suggests it has cloaking abilities as the towers were what powered its cloaking field.

  • 09.23.2010 8:29 PM PDT

So, just played through the part where Halsey talks to Noble Team.

I chalked up her comment about "being a Spartan or a puppet?" as suspicion that they might be S-IIIs(As her Journal hints that she is aware of Ackerson using her data, but not what for).

What solidifies it as an oversight for me, though, is at the end when Carter mentions detaining Halsey for "interfering with a Spartan deployment". So, there's another issue as to how Halsey could not definitively know they were Spartans.

Another small oversight is threatening to detain her as a civilian. She works for ONI, it's obvious she does, she had to in order to deflect suspicions from her colleagues as to why she hadn't produced any public research for several years.

  • 09.23.2010 9:14 PM PDT

Since the Frigates can't do jack against CCS Cruisers, Marathons and Halcyons are stuck in space not able to assist, and the ]ground battle is brutal for humanity.

*sighs*
Besides your absurd and non-sensical rationalization of the new timeline, not your fault, the new canon still is incompetently written regardless...You obviously know nothing of the actual space battle nor something called "fleet engagement".
For your information, the UNSC isn't stupid enough to send in a single frigate to handle a Covenant Cruiser. That's why we have the 3 to 1 ratio rule in the book.

Even then, you greatly misunderstand the UNSC fleet. ANy ship with a MAC gun can -blam!- a Covenant ship as long as it can get 3 rounds dead on the Covenant vessel, hence, it only takes 3 frigates to kill a Covenant ship effectively...doesn't really matter whether if its a marathon or halycon, it matters whether you're employing intelligent tactics.

WHich still begs to ask, you have 100-150 UNSC ships, each carrying a MAC guns and 3 nukes each at minimal condition, at reach and one Covenant Super Carrier dicking around in Space doing nothing for a few hours, can you not see how stupid Bungie's writers are.

[Edited on 09.23.2010 10:22 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2010 10:18 PM PDT

I blame myself, not Stosh.

The Pillar of Autumn mission could have been made cannon if the Pillar of Autumn ship was in orbit and Noble Six flew there on a Pelican or some other ship right? But then Noble Six probably would not have been left on the planet to die which he did. Wasn't Cortana already on the ship? Well Bungie's games kind of do overide the book cannon supposedly. But still they could have worked their way around it. It's kind of a letdown to read the books and then be like what how is that possible when playing Reach.

  • 09.23.2010 10:20 PM PDT

There's still a lot of stuff we can't possibly reconcile until someone comes along and tells us what the deal is.

100 UNSC ships would easily destroy a Supercarrier, though I'm wondering if someone can go back and view the cutscene where Kat suggests the plan of using a slipspace drive. She mentions something about not having any nukes, but that likely refers to nukes on the planet. Just in case though.

There were so many cool things that happened in TFoR, I'm really disappointed we didn't get to see any Fleet engagements.

[Edited on 09.23.2010 10:30 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2010 10:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
So, just played through the part where Halsey talks to Noble Team.

I chalked up her comment about "being a Spartan or a puppet?" as suspicion that they might be S-IIIs(As her Journal hints that she is aware of Ackerson using her data, but not what for).

What solidifies it as an oversight for me, though, is at the end when Carter mentions detaining Halsey for "interfering with a Spartan deployment". So, there's another issue as to how Halsey could not definitively know they were Spartans.

Another small oversight is threatening to detain her as a civilian. She works for ONI, it's obvious she does, she had to in order to deflect suspicions from her colleagues as to why she hadn't produced any public research for several years.
I believe this "being a Spartan or a puppet?" is meant to be a rhetorical question. She knows they are Spartans. She is saying that they can either act like Spartans (inquisitive, going further than their orders state) or be puppets to the UNSC.
It's her armor, only Spartans can wear that armor.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.

  • 09.23.2010 10:38 PM PDT


Posted by: cB4d93

Posted by: Hysterical Joker
So, just played through the part where Halsey talks to Noble Team.

I chalked up her comment about "being a Spartan or a puppet?" as suspicion that they might be S-IIIs(As her Journal hints that she is aware of Ackerson using her data, but not what for).

What solidifies it as an oversight for me, though, is at the end when Carter mentions detaining Halsey for "interfering with a Spartan deployment". So, there's another issue as to how Halsey could not definitively know they were Spartans.

Another small oversight is threatening to detain her as a civilian. She works for ONI, it's obvious she does, she had to in order to deflect suspicions from her colleagues as to why she hadn't produced any public research for several years.
I believe this "being a Spartan or a puppet?" is meant to be a rhetorical question. She knows they are Spartans. She is saying that they can either act like Spartans (inquisitive, going further than their orders state) or be puppets to the UNSC.
It's her armor, only Spartans can wear that armor.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.

Well, the journal tries to reconcile the inconsistency that in Ghosts of Onyx Halsey is surprised and unaware of S-IIIs by stating in her Journal that she suspects Ackerson is doing something with her research and isn't sure of what.

As such, she can meet the S-IIIs and be wary, but still be surprised at actually discovering they are S-IIIs.

However the comment pertaining to interfering with a Spartan deployment should completely throw her unawareness out the window, with the Spartan/puppet comment sort of being a fishing tactic to try and pry the answer.

This could possibly be remedied by stating because Jorge is there, that it constitutes a Spartan deployment.

I was under the impression that Spartans take command authority over all other ground units(Please correct me if wrong, I don't have any basis that assumption). So it would be odd that Jorge is taking orders from Carter(who would be perceived as a non-spartan).

However, given the nature of the back and forth conversation(puppet/spartan into threatening interfering with a spartan deployment) it seems highly unlikely Halsey would still be unaware and surprised at the discovery of S-IIIs. Which is what the journal was trying to reconcile and connect, instead of retconning.

And -blam!-, Carter is a Commander while the MC is a MCPO?

[Edited on 09.23.2010 10:48 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2010 10:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: cB4d93

Posted by: Hysterical Joker
So, just played through the part where Halsey talks to Noble Team.

I chalked up her comment about "being a Spartan or a puppet?" as suspicion that they might be S-IIIs(As her Journal hints that she is aware of Ackerson using her data, but not what for).

What solidifies it as an oversight for me, though, is at the end when Carter mentions detaining Halsey for "interfering with a Spartan deployment". So, there's another issue as to how Halsey could not definitively know they were Spartans.

Another small oversight is threatening to detain her as a civilian. She works for ONI, it's obvious she does, she had to in order to deflect suspicions from her colleagues as to why she hadn't produced any public research for several years.
I believe this "being a Spartan or a puppet?" is meant to be a rhetorical question. She knows they are Spartans. She is saying that they can either act like Spartans (inquisitive, going further than their orders state) or be puppets to the UNSC.
It's her armor, only Spartans can wear that armor.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.

Well, the journal tries to reconcile the inconsistency that in Ghosts of Onyx Halsey is surprised and unaware of S-IIIs by stating in her Journal that she suspects Ackerson is doing something with her research and isn't sure of what.

As such, she can meet the S-IIIs and be wary, but still be surprised at actually discovering they are S-IIIs.

However the comment pertaining to interfering with a Spartan deployment should completely throw her unawareness out the window, with the Spartan/puppet comment sort of being a fishing tactic to try and pry the answer.

This could possibly be remedied by stating because Jorge is there, that it constitutes a Spartan deployment.

I was under the impression that Spartans take command authority over all other ground units(Please correct me if wrong, I don't have any basis that assumption). So it would be odd that Jorge is taking orders from Carter(who would be perceived as a non-spartan).

However, given the nature of the back and forth conversation(puppet/spartan into threatening interfering with a spartan deployment) it seems highly unlikely Halsey would still be unaware and surprised at the discovery of S-IIIs. Which is what the journal was trying to reconcile and connect, instead of retconning.

The Spartan-II's are given complete control of ground operations when specifically stated by NavSpecWep (thus being any rank higher than Master Chief is completely pointless)and even then they still answer to the powers that be at ONI and other high ranks like Admiral. At all other times they defer to those of higher rank.
However because Noble Team spends so much time with the regular infantry they were given higher ranks (Commander, Lieutenant, etc.) but never complete battlefield control like the S-II's because they acted more like a specialized squad that was still part of the main army. Whenever Spartan-II's like John are sent, it is for a specific reason and thus battlefield control is given to them.

  • 09.23.2010 10:54 PM PDT


Posted by: cB4d93

Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: cB4d93

Posted by: Hysterical Joker
So, just played through the part where Halsey talks to Noble Team.

I chalked up her comment about "being a Spartan or a puppet?" as suspicion that they might be S-IIIs(As her Journal hints that she is aware of Ackerson using her data, but not what for).

What solidifies it as an oversight for me, though, is at the end when Carter mentions detaining Halsey for "interfering with a Spartan deployment". So, there's another issue as to how Halsey could not definitively know they were Spartans.

Another small oversight is threatening to detain her as a civilian. She works for ONI, it's obvious she does, she had to in order to deflect suspicions from her colleagues as to why she hadn't produced any public research for several years.
I believe this "being a Spartan or a puppet?" is meant to be a rhetorical question. She knows they are Spartans. She is saying that they can either act like Spartans (inquisitive, going further than their orders state) or be puppets to the UNSC.
It's her armor, only Spartans can wear that armor.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.

Well, the journal tries to reconcile the inconsistency that in Ghosts of Onyx Halsey is surprised and unaware of S-IIIs by stating in her Journal that she suspects Ackerson is doing something with her research and isn't sure of what.

As such, she can meet the S-IIIs and be wary, but still be surprised at actually discovering they are S-IIIs.

However the comment pertaining to interfering with a Spartan deployment should completely throw her unawareness out the window, with the Spartan/puppet comment sort of being a fishing tactic to try and pry the answer.

This could possibly be remedied by stating because Jorge is there, that it constitutes a Spartan deployment.

I was under the impression that Spartans take command authority over all other ground units(Please correct me if wrong, I don't have any basis that assumption). So it would be odd that Jorge is taking orders from Carter(who would be perceived as a non-spartan).

However, given the nature of the back and forth conversation(puppet/spartan into threatening interfering with a spartan deployment) it seems highly unlikely Halsey would still be unaware and surprised at the discovery of S-IIIs. Which is what the journal was trying to reconcile and connect, instead of retconning.

The Spartan-II's are given complete control of ground operations when specifically stated by NavSpecWep (thus being any rank higher than Master Chief is completely pointless)and even then they still answer to the powers that be at ONI and other high ranks like Admiral. At all other times they defer to those of higher rank.
However because Noble Team spends so much time with the regular infantry they were given higher ranks (Commander, Lieutenant, etc.) but never complete battlefield control like the S-II's because they acted more like a specialized squad that was still part of the main army. Whenever Spartan-II's like John are sent, it is for a specific reason and thus battlefield control is given to them.

So that chunk flies out the window.

Still, I think the conversational banter would be enough to confirm Halsey's suspicions.

  • 09.23.2010 11:00 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.


Posted by: Sniffy66
Posted by: Bouncer7
I too was wondering where all the MAC cannons and humans ships were during Reach. Jorge :([/quote]
20 Orbital MAC platforms on Reach, as well as 100 ships permanently stationed in orbit.

And we see jack diddly of that up in space.
When you say see, do you mean seeing them with our eyes? Because they are only a few hundred meters long. Not that visible in space. Also we don't know if they are attacking other targets, on the other side of the planet, ect. TFoR makes it seem like they were only on one side of the planet which if that were true, would be a catastrophic error on behalf of nylund because just in case I am mistaken, I thought they just rotated the planet and didn't have any engines or thrusters except for dodgeing other ships, junk, ect so the Covenant could just go on the far side of the planet, deploy all their troops, and then attack them/destroy them with boarding parties like they did in Halo 2.

Another reason might be they might of "left" the area because they wouldn't want to be near a Covenant supercarrier which could snipe them. They left it be (unless it was attacking them of course) so that Noble Team could execute OPERATION: UPPERCUT and destroy it.

Just a thought.
They don't say "let's not fire one SMAC slug to destroy this Assault Carrier with 0 UNSC casualties, let's send SPARTANS with a slipspace bomb with only semi-tested technology in a full frontal assault on an enemy held ship in a ridiculously complex plan that kills one SPARTAN-II, loses 4+ experimental Sabres and also loses a UNSC Frigate".
It was a last resort. If they could have SMAC'd it, they wouldn't have bothered with Uppercut.

SMACs can outrange Covenant ship-to-ship weapons, excluding the energy projector. They can also OSK a shielded Assault Carrier. In theory, destroying the ship that fires it will make plasma torpedoes dissipate - this was used and forgotten in two parts of TFOR.

As for positioning, they are Geostationary. It is safe to assume that they are evenly ringed around the planet - meaning in TFOR there would not have been 20 SMACs firing, probably only 5-8.

[Edited on 09.23.2010 11:53 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2010 11:53 PM PDT

SMACs wouldn't be able to fire if the Carrier jumped into orbit.
Doesn't explain 100 UNSC ships not engaging the Supercarrier though.

  • 09.24.2010 12:02 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.


Posted by: Hysterical Joker
SMACs wouldn't be able to fire if the Carrier jumped into orbit.
Doesn't explain 100 UNSC ships not engaging the Supercarrier though.
They could fire - it would just be prohibited, unless they got a vector that put the round's exit trajectory as heading for the ocean.

After all, the SMACs in TFOR re-oriented towards Reach's surface to destroy many hundreds of the dropships. They also turned vey close to Orbital Station Gamma, to destroy Covenant ships near there. If they did that, it does beg the question as to why the hell didn't they SMAC the Circumference? There wouldn't have been anything left for the Covenant to scavenge in the first place.

  • 09.24.2010 11:31 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII

Posted by: Hysterical Joker
SMACs wouldn't be able to fire if the Carrier jumped into orbit.
Doesn't explain 100 UNSC ships not engaging the Supercarrier though.
They could fire - it would just be prohibited, unless they got a vector that put the round's exit trajectory as heading for the ocean.

After all, the SMACs in TFOR re-oriented towards Reach's surface to destroy many hundreds of the dropships. They also turned vey close to Orbital Station Gamma, to destroy Covenant ships near there. If they did that, it does beg the question as to why the hell didn't they SMAC the Circumference? There wouldn't have been anything left for the Covenant to scavenge in the first place.

Well, there could've been something to recover.

Since you mention them re-orienting, there's no reason SMACs didn't blow the Supercarrier out of the sky.

What is it, the Grafton, that fires in orbit at the Cloaking Tower? Why wouldn't the UNSC decide to faceroll the Supercarrier with their 100 ships? Sure, there's the possibility of MAC rounds punching through and destroying stuff, but as we can see, the Supercarrier is in orbit over a relatively desolate area of Reach. The Carrier is also in geosynchronous orbit, it wasn't going to fall to the surface(and even then, it's only 3.3 miles of desert. Much preferable than having a bunch of people get killed, Covenant invading, and losing a Spartan+Slipspace drive).

  • 09.24.2010 12:29 PM PDT
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This is quite horrific.

  • 09.24.2010 2:10 PM PDT

Southern Thunder!

I really used to like Bungie as a developer and I still really love the Halo series but Reach left a very nasty taste in my mouth, I'm not so excited for whatever Bungie does next since they've apparently sold out and just don't care anymore.

  • 09.24.2010 2:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Foley vonAwesom

Posted by: Stardriver 1



The problem some people are having is that, having played all the games and read all the books and otherwise perused all the available media, they believe they know all there is about the Halo universe. Refusing to accept that there are things they still don't know can be frustrating. All you parents out there know what it's like to have teenage kids that "know everything." It takes a while to figure out that you can't know what you haven't learned.
-Your last point is pretty arrogant; similar in manner to those teenage punks you compare us to.



I have responses to your other observations but I have little time today. However, this one needs to be addressed.

I in no way intended to infer or imply that a teenager that feels that they "know everything" is some kind of punk. The observation comes from having been a teenager myself once, having raised two of them myself, and, as a school district employee, I have been up to my eyeballs in them for the last sixteen years.

Teenagers are hardwired to believe they possess all knowledge. It's a survival trait. It's how our species survived. When we get older we understand things better. That's how life goes.

My point being that you can't know what you haven't learned.

  • 09.24.2010 4:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Stardriver 1

Posted by: Foley vonAwesom

Posted by: Stardriver 1



The problem some people are having is that, having played all the games and read all the books and otherwise perused all the available media, they believe they know all there is about the Halo universe. Refusing to accept that there are things they still don't know can be frustrating. All you parents out there know what it's like to have teenage kids that "know everything." It takes a while to figure out that you can't know what you haven't learned.
-Your last point is pretty arrogant; similar in manner to those teenage punks you compare us to.



I have responses to your other observations but I have little time today. However, this one needs to be addressed.

I in no way intended to infer or imply that a teenager that feels that they "know everything" is some kind of punk. The observation comes from having been a teenager myself once, having raised two of them myself, and, as a school district employee, I have been up to my eyeballs in them for the last sixteen years.

Teenagers are hardwired to believe they possess all knowledge. It's a survival trait. It's how our species survived. When we get older we understand things better. That's how life goes.

My point being that you can't know what you haven't learned.


You can't base a story on something you never established before either. Bungie didn't care about that, though.

There is one thing that sticks out to me that hasn't really been discussed IMO. Why did ONI try to cover up The Covenant on Reach? Throughout the canon (lol), ONI has been built up as a secretive, yet highly intelligent and powerful organization. They HAD to have known Reach was compromised. It makes no sense to not warn the rest of the military. That is a huge plot hole IMO. That was an incredibly dumb move IMO, because if ONI had promptly warned the rest of the military on 7/24/2552, then Reach could have been further reinforced and possibly saved.

When you look at this logically, there was absolutely NOTHING to be gained from trying to cover up the initial Covenant force.

  • 09.24.2010 7:14 PM PDT