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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Here's another way to explain the cannon: secrets.

I don't think Fall of Reach is written from any point of view in particular, but that doesn't mean that there are deatils that are being withheld from the reader. I.e.: the mission to pick up Cortana's other half is super duper top secret.

Well, so what? We're the reader so we're allowed to know secrets right?

Well that's my point, maybe we're not. Maybe the whole point is that there are secrets that are so secret even the reader can't know them all at first.

This is a weird dynamic. It's like Keyes is on the Bridge looking at Halo and thinking: "My, Halsey probably would want to see this after having us pick up Cortana's other half. She'd be proud. That crazy mission was worth it!" And Eric Nylund would have to think: "Oh I better not include THAT thought in the book".

Totally weird way to tell a story, but technially 'consistent'.

Do you get what I mean?

  • 10.02.2010 2:29 PM PDT

The journal does clear up some of the things, but things will never line up perfectly. Take a look at star trek, star wars, and if you read the books and see the shows and movies you'll see how they don't perfectly line up, either. But look at how popular they were, and still are...


[Edited on 10.02.2010 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2010 2:53 PM PDT

OMG a Pwny!


Posted by: Stenr Brisinger
The journal does clear up some of the things, but things will never line up perfectly. Take a look at star trek, star wars, and if you read the books and see the shows and movies you'll see how they don't perfectly line up, either. But look at how popular they were, and still are...


That's a great point and here's something to think about. Compared to those franchises Halo is in it's infancy, and at least for now Halo can still be kept intact with one fluid storyline, but they have to act quick to fix the Pillar of Autumn issue.

  • 10.02.2010 3:55 PM PDT

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That's a great point and here's something to think about. Compared to those franchises Halo is in it's infancy, and at least for now Halo can still be kept intact with one fluid storyline, but they have to act quick to fix the Pillar of Autumn issue.


Read my previous post man, it goes some way to clearing the issue up. At least until we get an official clearing up of issues that is!

  • 10.02.2010 4:24 PM PDT

OMG a Pwny!

I saw, I was referring to statements of things never lining up, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. This is an opportunity for a universe to have a flawless story if they get on the ball and put out some official statements instead of leaving it up to us to fix it for them.

However, it is kind of an intriguing idea that there would be holes or inconsistencies that the community would fix, and then 343/Bungie would implement as official.

  • 10.02.2010 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: SirPwn4g3
I saw, I was referring to statements of things never lining up, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. This is an opportunity for a universe to have a flawless story if they get on the ball and put out some official statements instead of leaving it up to us to fix it for them.

However, it is kind of an intriguing idea that there would be holes or inconsistencies that the community would fix, and then 343/Bungie would implement as official.

Interesting indeed.

  • 10.03.2010 11:50 PM PDT


Posted by: notnooborelite

Posted by: Stardriver 1



Dang, I really thought this pointless thread was going to die.

What you choose to do with your own time is your business, but reading all the published material does not make you God. If there are any Gods in the Halo Universe they now live in 343 studios. All those "tons of time and effort" mean nothing because it's not your job to create the Universe.

Yes, there are, have been, and always will be inconsistencies, and only 343 will live or die by how well they deal with them. I'm sure your opinions have been noted by the True Gods. Their Will be Done.

(Cue Halo Monk chant)


Out of curiosity do you really think that because you can be condescending that makes you right, or even intelligent. Any moron can talk down to another person, especially when they don't know what they are talking about. they just probably don't know they look like a fool.

I hate to break it to you but there are people that have done a lot more than read the books. They've studied, made time lines, made star charts, etc... Just because you, or I, don't have the inclination to do those things that doesn't make them stupid. Every person has a right to enjoy things in their own way.

If this thread is such a waste to you then why on Earth do you keep coming back. If a thread is stupid then the best thing you could do is ignore it.

Long story short. Quit acting like an ass hat and if you don't like that other people disagree fine, don't promote them and stay out of a well thought out thread.


Wow.

Well, if I came off as condescending, I apologize as that was not my intent. What I was really getting at was that the people that own the franchise make the rules. That has been stated by many others in this thread.

To those of you that peruse the media for obscure details that give you a better understanding of the Halo Universe than the average casual observer, my hat is off to you. Your knowledge of what has been released by Bungie and other contractors is clearly greater than mine, and I do not doubt your wisdom in that regard.

My problem with some posters is that they insist that some of the things that "happened" in Reach just simply could not happen because they "conflict" with what has previously been revealed. There are and will be many posts that suggest plausible explanations, some better than others. In fact, it's beginning to look (to me)like AI's might be behind some of these "inconsistencies."

You see, Bungie has created this Universe with a kabillion unanswered questions: Forunners, Precoursers, Flood, ONI, etc. We still don't know who did what and when they did it, or who knew what and when they knew it. This leads to all this wonderful speculation by fans that may or may not chart the course of the Universe. Also, because this is science fiction writers can just make stuff up. For example, there are no "experts" on slipspace. In the Halo Universe what we know about slipspace is what Bungie, and now 343, says is true. Therefore, if a Covenant supercarrier can exit slipspace undetected, it must be true. Ask Sherlock Holmes. All 343 has to do is commission a book or something where the Covenant develops the technology to exit slipspace undetected and then come up with an explanation as to why nobody knew that before. All this stuff is made up anyway. What is true is what they say is true, and at this point in the game (no pun intended) what is true is whatever promotes sales. George Lucas is not getting all wrapped around the axle about how Anarkin Skywalker gets to have a student Jedi before he himself becomes a Master. I'm sure they've made up a reason by now.

I never said this thread was a waste. I just thought it would die because 343 will fix whatever they feel needs fixing and it doesn't appear (to me) that there's much fixing that needs to be done. No one needs my permission to continue to speculate. I just don't like it when some people crap all over the speculations of others because "they read all the books." The story of the Halo Universe is not finished and NO ONE knows EVERYTHING.

The fact that you have to resort to name calling and actually believing that you can tell me what to do just gives me more reason to disregard anything you have to say.

Crap. I gotta go back to work now...

  • 10.04.2010 2:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Stardriver 1
Wow.

Well, if I came off as condescending, I apologize as that was not my intent. What I was really getting at was that the people that own the franchise make the rules. That has been stated by many others in this thread.
Well maybe I took it wrong. As far as they make the rules, while you are correct I'll get to that in a moment.
To those of you that peruse the media for obscure details that give you a better understanding of the Halo Universe than the average casual observer, my hat is off to you. Your knowledge of what has been released by Bungie and other contractors is clearly greater than mine, and I do not doubt your wisdom in that regard.

My problem with some posters is that they insist that some of the things that "happened" in Reach just simply could not happen because they "conflict" with what has previously been revealed. There are and will be many posts that suggest plausible explanations, some better than others. In fact, it's beginning to look (to me)like AI's might be behind some of these "inconsistencies."

You see, Bungie has created this Universe with a kabillion unanswered questions: Forunners, Precoursers, Flood, ONI, etc. We still don't know who did what and when they did it, or who knew what and when they knew it. This leads to all this wonderful speculation by fans that may or may not chart the course of the Universe. Also, because this is science fiction writers can just make stuff up. For example, there are no "experts" on slipspace. In the Halo Universe what we know about slipspace is what Bungie, and now 343, says is true. Therefore, if a Covenant supercarrier can exit slipspace undetected, it must be true. Ask Sherlock Holmes. All 343 has to do is commission a book or something where the Covenant develops the technology to exit slipspace undetected and then come up with an explanation as to why nobody knew that before. All this stuff is made up anyway. What is true is what they say is true, and at this point in the game (no pun intended) what is true is whatever promotes sales. George Lucas is not getting all wrapped around the axle about how Anarkin Skywalker gets to have a student Jedi before he himself becomes a Master. I'm sure they've made up a reason by now.

I never said this thread was a waste. I just thought it would die because 343 will fix whatever they feel needs fixing and it doesn't appear (to me) that there's much fixing that needs to be done. No one needs my permission to continue to speculate. I just don't like it when some people crap all over the speculations of others because "they read all the books." The story of the Halo Universe is not finished and NO ONE knows EVERYTHING.
Your point is taken. Here's the counter point. You are correct when you say they make the rules. Here's the problem with that line of thought. When you offer a service/product to a customer you will be held to a standard. A company that holds to those standards will probably do well. A company that doesn't will lose their customer base and sooner or later fail. Just ask GM.

Bungie set a standard as a company that has high standards and respects their fan base. The storyline in Reach is inexcusable. They shot their own previous stories, and stories that they allowed, in the foot. There were so many ways this could have been prevented it's a joke. Again, it makes me wonder if it wasn't on purpose. No matter how you look at it they completely threw their hardcore fans under the bus.

Your argument of no experts on Slipspace doesn't really work either because what rules and such people are going by are from Bungie and people Bungie approved. While Halo: Reach the game was fun, as part of the Halo Universe it's a disaster and anyone without Bungie colored glasses can see this. Every thing else is just an excuse.
The fact that you have to resort to name calling and actually believing that you can tell me what to do just gives me more reason to disregard anything you have to say.
This is fine. You have every right to feel how ever you want and to read what ever you want. This paragraph was a much better way to say you don't agree with someone than your last post.
Crap. I gotta go back to work now...
Enjoy.

  • 10.04.2010 3:49 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

1.retcon, you cant have a good game that only takes place over the course of a few hours.
2.on Halo Waypoint a letter from kurt stated that he pulled several members of alpha company out immediatly after training to form teams
3.youve got a point there
4.mistake on bungie's part
5.the carrier was likely positioned under the MAC's lines of fire
6.The pelican still could have been shot down at high altitude with the same end result, and the PoA could easily have deployed John, Linda, and James into orbit from the ground if needed.

  • 10.04.2010 4:20 PM PDT

There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it

I didn't read through all the pages, so I don't know if this has been discussed, but the book has Cortana on the PoA the entire time. I understand that game canon is held as the highest and truest form of canon, but that's a giant difference between the two.

  • 10.04.2010 7:09 PM PDT

I find the PoA landing to secure Cortana fits nicely between chapters 29-30.

  • 10.04.2010 10:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExO_EPIC
I didn't read through all the pages, so I don't know if this has been discussed, but the book has Cortana on the PoA the entire time. I understand that game canon is held as the highest and truest form of canon, but that's a giant difference between the two.
All the canon differences in the game and that's the one you pick up on?

Seriously, it is a good point, but it is easily explained, in that the 'Cortana' you deliver to Keyes is merely a fragment, designed to absorb data from the Forerunner structure under SWORD base. On PoA, the two are re-united, and CE happens.
It's by far a minor point, unless you did what I did, and not pay attention to when Halsey says the word 'fragment'.

  • 10.04.2010 11:59 PM PDT

I kinda get tired spending 90% of the thread answering the same 3 or 4 questions.

Dunno about you guys.

  • 10.05.2010 12:20 AM PDT

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  • 10.05.2010 3:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Buggy
I find the PoA landing to secure Cortana fits nicely between chapters 29-30.


Really?

Cause I dont remember the PoA even landing on Reach (as most of you complain about the same thing being brought up). The Spartans had to scrub their mission of boarding an emeny ship and taking it to their home world when Reach was attacked. (this btw is off memory, I dont have the book) the squad was split in two, MC, Fred and Linda taking the space op and the rest on the ground to protect the generators for the MAC guns in orbit. While the teams are completing their ops, the PoA was involved in the space battle where they destroyed the HUGH enemy ship by taking its shields down and crash landing the longsword with the nuke on it, and remote det. Then Keys gets on the horn with Cheif and gives him 15 min to complete his mission or the station would have to be destroyed. After MC completes the Space op and rejoins the PoA with Linda, and throws her in cryo, the PoA picks up speed and jumps to slipspace (as I remember, MC says he feels the PoA accelerate as soon as the pelican lands on the PoA). After placing Linda in Cryo, he heads to the Bridge to request pickup of his groundside team. Keys refuses, them MC requests to take a landing craft down to retrieve them, Keys refuses. Then it goes into the prologe HALO section of the book. No mention of landing on Reach. Again, Im sure this has been talked about in length, but someone please explain to me, again, I dont have the book so I am going off of memory, dont flame too bad.

Thanks

[Edited on 10.05.2010 7:13 AM PDT]

  • 10.05.2010 7:12 AM PDT

There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it

The book is not told from any particular point of view, but when it doesn't even allow any time for the PoA to go groundside durring the space battle... just seems lazy to me.

So what if Noble team doesn't go the the PoA, I would have almost prefered the game to end with Noble 6 dying of the Plasma bombardment, which occured, based on the book, only moments prior to the PoA entering slipstream space.

But to manufacture a parallel storyline to make the landing of the PoA fit the game? And where is the damage that the PoA took durring the space battle? They were hit twice from the Giant ship on the port side, actually causing the acrher missiles to detonate in their pods causing, what I would imagine to be massive damage... no damage to the PoA in the game. hmmmmmm.

  • 10.05.2010 7:29 AM PDT

Die? Haven't you heard? Spartans never die.


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Killed by Pasta
I'm confused how a Covenant vessel can get into the atmosphere completely undetected with the presence of hundreds of probes, dozens of MAC guns, people and EYESIGHT (it's a huge purple ship...), and dozens of other variables.

It was cloaked apparently.

I was not aware that Covenant did that to thier ships. They are portraying the Covenant as being too intuitive now. If the Covenant had that ability, then ship-to-ship battles would be instant loses for the UNSC every time. I mean, the weaponry in Reach does not seem polarized as described by Halsey. Realistically, it would obliterate UNSC forces on the ground easily. Plasma launchers, tactical shield towers, trans-location devices, Radar jammers. It sort of defeats the image of an imitative enemy who cannot create its own ideas for technology and apply them properly, who also rely on brute force to win rather than clever strategy and tactics.

We also have to assume that the Covenant somehow has perfected the process of a silent slipstream transition (Intuition and science that they do not have), otherwise that AC would have been detected.

With this technology, they could cloak an entire Armada, silently slip in-system undetected, use radar jamming to prevent further detection, position themselves and then decisively slit the UNSCs metaphorical throat.


Just because they base all of their technology off the forerunners tech doesn't mean they lack either intuition or science. In fact, it says quite the opposite becasue they were able to break some of the forerunners secrets. They're not dumb.

  • 10.05.2010 7:31 AM PDT

OMG a Pwny!

No, just no no no. I can't tell you how wrong this is. First, in case you didn't know 29 happens after 30. Second, NO. Have you not read a single thing we've posted? You really should, a lot of it is intelligent.

  • 10.05.2010 7:41 AM PDT

There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it


Posted by: SirPwn4g3
No, just no no no. I can't tell you how wrong this is. First, in case you didn't know 29 happens after 30. Second, NO. Have you not read a single thing we've posted? You really should, a lot of it is intelligent.


Are you talking about my post?

Cause I have read a bit. And what I have read either the subject is tip-toed around, or it is all made up theories. In which case my line of questioning is more "intelligent", because mine is going off facts from both the game and the book, not theories.

Plus I am at work, who the BLAM! has the time to read through 21 pages of posts?

Not to mention (again) that I dont have the book, I am going off of memory and my memory says that the book never gave the PoA time to land groundside.

[Edited on 10.05.2010 8:02 AM PDT]

  • 10.05.2010 7:51 AM PDT

OMG a Pwny!


Posted by: ExO_EPIC

Posted by: SirPwn4g3
No, just no no no. I can't tell you how wrong this is. First, in case you didn't know 29 happens after 30. Second, NO. Have you not read a single thing we've posted? You really should, a lot of it is intelligent.


Are you talking about my post?

Cause I have read a bit. And what I have read either the subject is tip-toed around, or it is all made up theories. In which case my line of questioning is more "intelligent", because mine is going off facts from both the game and the book, not theories.

Plus I am at work, who the BLAM! has the time to read through 21 pages of posts?


I apologize, it was in response to Buggy's post. You're post looks fine, yet another concerned with the PoA being planetside.

Meanwhile Buggy seems to think everything is just fine.

  • 10.05.2010 8:03 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.


Posted by: SirPwn4g3

Posted by: ExO_EPIC

Posted by: SirPwn4g3
No, just no no no. I can't tell you how wrong this is. First, in case you didn't know 29 happens after 30. Second, NO. Have you not read a single thing we've posted? You really should, a lot of it is intelligent.


Are you talking about my post?

Cause I have read a bit. And what I have read either the subject is tip-toed around, or it is all made up theories. In which case my line of questioning is more "intelligent", because mine is going off facts from both the game and the book, not theories.

Plus I am at work, who the BLAM! has the time to read through 21 pages of posts?


I apologize, it was in response to Buggy's post. You're post looks fine, yet another concerned with the PoA being planetside.

Meanwhile Buggy seems to think everything is just fine.
I shall just read out several quotes from Chapter 29 Buggy seemed to miss. Apologies for the incredibly rude nature of this post, I just want the idea that it was 'okay' for PoA to land to just be blown straight out of the water, once and for all.

Tapped the thrusters
Space docks
In orbit around Reach
Shuttle pod moved closer (full quote implies great distance travelled)
Two separate mentions of 'drifting'
Cycled through the airlock

All of those say that PoA was IN SPACE for her refit. They also need to shakedown the engines before they move off, which in Reach are doing despite being landed on Reach's surface.

Putting PoA on Reach made no sense, and was simply an excuse to put 3 easter eggs, allusions to CE, into Reach. I would much rather have fought waiting for a single Pelican to relieve me of my Cortana fragment as opposed to the Pillar of Autumn sat dumbly on a shipbreaking docking clamp - it would have made some [censored term] sense. PoA planetside doesn't just screw canon, it buggers many different layers of logic in the tactical, strategic, logistic, and simple common sense.

  • 10.05.2010 10:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Meanwhile Buggy seems to think everything is just fine.[/quote]I shall just read out several quotes from Chapter 29 Buggy seemed to miss. Apologies for the incredibly rude nature of this post, I just want the idea that it was 'okay' for PoA to land to just be blown straight out of the water, once and for all.

Tapped the thrusters
Space docks
In orbit around Reach
Shuttle pod moved closer (full quote implies great distance travelled)
Two separate mentions of 'drifting'
Cycled through the airlock

All of those say that PoA was IN SPACE for her refit. They also need to shakedown the engines before they move off, which in Reach are doing despite being landed on Reach's surface.

Putting PoA on Reach made no sense, and was simply an excuse to put 3 easter eggs, allusions to CE, into Reach. I would much rather have fought waiting for a single Pelican to relieve me of my Cortana fragment as opposed to the Pillar of Autumn sat dumbly on a shipbreaking docking clamp - it would have made some [censored term] sense. PoA planetside doesn't just screw canon, it buggers many different layers of logic in the tactical, strategic, logistic, and simple common sense.


Thanks.

RIGHT! It would have made since, and not gone 100% against the books version of events.

i was overthinking what the last two missions would have to have been about if the PoA was not physically in the last mission for the game to not mess with the canon, but a Pelican that has come down to retrive the fragment from 6 works just as good, and that's could have been without changing much of the games storyline.

  • 10.05.2010 10:37 AM PDT
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  • 10.05.2010 10:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII

Posted by: SirPwn4g3

Posted by: ExO_EPIC

Posted by: SirPwn4g3
No, just no no no. I can't tell you how wrong this is. First, in case you didn't know 29 happens after 30. Second, NO. Have you not read a single thing we've posted? You really should, a lot of it is intelligent.


Are you talking about my post?

Cause I have read a bit. And what I have read either the subject is tip-toed around, or it is all made up theories. In which case my line of questioning is more "intelligent", because mine is going off facts from both the game and the book, not theories.

Plus I am at work, who the BLAM! has the time to read through 21 pages of posts?


I apologize, it was in response to Buggy's post. You're post looks fine, yet another concerned with the PoA being planetside.

Meanwhile Buggy seems to think everything is just fine.
I shall just read out several quotes from Chapter 29 Buggy seemed to miss. Apologies for the incredibly rude nature of this post, I just want the idea that it was 'okay' for PoA to land to just be blown straight out of the water, once and for all.

Tapped the thrusters
Space docks
In orbit around Reach
Shuttle pod moved closer (full quote implies great distance travelled)
Two separate mentions of 'drifting'
Cycled through the airlock

All of those say that PoA was IN SPACE for her refit. They also need to shakedown the engines before they move off, which in Reach are doing despite being landed on Reach's surface.

Putting PoA on Reach made no sense, and was simply an excuse to put 3 easter eggs, allusions to CE, into Reach. I would much rather have fought waiting for a single Pelican to relieve me of my Cortana fragment as opposed to the Pillar of Autumn sat dumbly on a shipbreaking docking clamp - it would have made some [censored term] sense. PoA planetside doesn't just screw canon, it buggers many different layers of logic in the tactical, strategic, logistic, and simple common sense.


Just going on a assumption filled theory side here, but I believe the Autumn on the ground and the events surrounding the Pillar of Autumn level fill in the blanks as to what happened to the remainder of the Spartan IIs aside from Red Beta team given the new canon space. The expanding of battle to an entire month makes the generator defense and space op illogical given the time frame of the battle's progression, the date of Operation Red Flag's briefing, and the Autumn's launch.

For a long while I wondered what the remainder of the Spartan IIs were doing from the time the briefing was over up until the Autumn launch. Now of course there was the Lone Wolf mission that takes place after PoA that has several dead Spartans about along with the Spartan II in cryo on the Autumn both of which I've dismissed as just simply as easter eggs of no consequence. While I still take up the stance that at this time there is no current relevant concrete canon proof that confirms if the Spartan II in cryo aboard the Autumn is Chief or Linda, the appearance of Spartans in Lone Wolf makes sense to me now. They are the Spartan IIs (along with any additional unknown Spartan III members), and they were there to protect the Autumn on the ground and were unable to extract themselves.

As I was playing through PoA I noticed that literally right under the Autumn there is a massive battle raging on. Inversely once Lone Wolf started, a simple look behind and upwards shows the now empty dry dock where the Autumn once was.

Given how the Autumn was stuck in that drydock and vulnerable to ground forces from that angle, it makes perfect logical sense to send out the Spartan IIs along with whatever additional forces were available to stop the Covenant from establishing a position from which to bombard the Autumn from. The task of defending the SMAC generators from the books has become switched over to defending the Autumn. It's a much more relevant objective at this point in the battle. How they would be left behind was also explained in the PoA level. Keyes had started the launch sequence for the Autumn and there was no abort. It created a viable scenario that prevented the Spartans from being extracted (assuming they could be in the first place) and aboard the Autumn as it lifted off. We already know that the Autumn launched too quickly for an additional Pelican to be sent out to attempt retrieval for Noble 6, so it could be assumed the same could be said of the others below.

Now the battle goes from being a defensive hold out to pure survival, and after all is said and done the remainder of Red team that managed to disengage from that skirmish eventually reached Castle Base (another wild assumption is that the towering mountain in the distance from where the battle took place and where Noble 6's helmet rests could be Menachite Mountain) thus all we know is back on track.

Of course it doesn't quite explain the discrepancy as to how/why the Chief was onboard the Autumn along with Linda's "dead" body. There is the possibility that after the Chief delivered Cortana to Keyes the battle to defend the Autumn was already raging, and Keyes may have felt that the Chief would not have made much of a difference in the battle or that it was too risky for him to deploy with the launch countdown already started and the defense teams still too busy for an extraction....

Anyway that's my two cents...

  • 10.05.2010 11:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: PendragonE01
Just because they base all of their technology off the forerunners tech doesn't mean they lack either intuition or science.

Yes, it does. Your statement is also a paradox.

They are mentioned everywhere as being imitative, which is the polar opposite of intuition. They are mutually exclusive ideals!

As for what you said, it is a paradox in that sense. You say they base all thier technology off of Forerunner, and then say that they have intuition. Despite the lore saying otherwise to what you have just said (but ignoreing even that for now), if they base everything off of Forerunner, where, exactly, have they had to think for themselves? That is what intuition is, thinking for yourself. They have not had to think for themselves, therefore have not intuition. The fact that they have adopted no such practice for over 3000 years suggests that they have no proper scientific foundation.

Also, the Huragok do most of the work behind closed doors. Contact Harvest tells you this. The Covenant species do not and need not know how anything works exactly because they have the Huragok for that. Also, in all that awareness, you would not say what you say if you knew just how complicated the Mathematics is for certain phenomenon mentioned in Halo that also happen to exist in real life. You do not just pull this stuff out your ass.

  • 10.05.2010 11:11 AM PDT