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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker

A Supercarrier is not something you can keep quiet.


I agree, plus the loss of the Grafton and a sizeable military force lost in TotS (mission in Reach)

But I am more concerned as to why the biggest military planet had no defenses visible - no SMAC's or fleet ?

  • 10.21.2010 5:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: Hysterical Joker

A Supercarrier is not something you can keep quiet.


I agree, plus the loss of the Grafton and a sizeable military force lost in TotS (mission in Reach)

But I am more concerned as to why the biggest military planet had no defenses visible - no SMAC's or fleet ?


It's possible that we (and other units all across the planet even the civilians) simply weren't in a position to see most of the battle really unfold across the entire planet. Just a very tiny portion of it where ever they may be at.

The only military base we've been to is ONI's Sword Base. We didn't bare witness to any actual training facilities, barracks, Castle Base, vehicle depots, etc. No other military facilities at all. Even then Sword Base (on the surface) seemed to be nothing more than an Air Field. We also only spent time in just one city, New Alexandria, when we know there were several others such as Manassas.

There's a lot of gaps where anything and everything could happen in terms of who saw what from where ever they may be at at whatever time period...For example Tip of The Spear. We know the Grafton was blown by the supercarrier, but since that cutscene and the following one for Long Night of Solace it is apparent that several more frigates were destroyed by something. Where that happened and if other several engagements between Frigates, Corvettes, and the like occured
could be happening at other places on the planet is never made clear.

  • 10.21.2010 1:29 PM PDT

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BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

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Don't forget about Farragut Airfield, or is that an outpost? You activate an AA gun emplacement there.

  • 10.23.2010 3:35 AM PDT

I found something hard to believe. In Long Night of Solace when the corvette is being attacked by the Savana you can clearly see the assault carrier orbiting Reach. How didn't the carrier see the attack? It must have loads of sensors watching everything, but even that wouldn't be necessary. They could just look out a window.

  • 10.23.2010 4:02 AM PDT

In the note attached to the legendary edition, it states that all of the content within the box is best guess not actual fact meaning the game is not 100% accurate creating an excuse for canon issues.

  • 10.23.2010 4:45 AM PDT

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Maybe all the errors will be addressed in the Halo movie

  • 10.23.2010 5:01 AM PDT

copyied from another thread-

Posted by: Old Salty27
Does anybody feel that Reach's new canon ruins Halo's previous lore or just adjusts it a bit? I'm kinda on the fence about. I willing to go with the new canon, but I can't say I'm not annoyed by some of the changes.

Nope, nothing of consequence was changed between the books and the games, only minor things like dates and tid-bit details.

Posted by: Old Salty271- Initial Covenant Attack on Reach: In the game the Covenant arrive much sooner and undetected than shown in the book. They also manage to slip past Reach's defenses completely undetected.

Not a retcon, the "initial invasion" was a scout force, the invasion described in the Fall of Reach was the main force that arrived after the cloaking shields were knocked down. John was on the other side of the planet at the time, so were most of the characters from "Fall of Reach", if there's a surprise attack like that, communications tend to be shakey.


Posted by: Old Salty27
2-Noble Team: Technically shouldn't exist according to Ghosts of Onyx. It's seems kinda difficult for ONI to not only keep the S-3 program a secret, but then keep Noble Team a secret as well from Ackerson, Halsey and any other Spartans they might bump into. Just seems a bit too overcomplicated.

No reason they shouldn't exist. Halsey would not be kept appraised of every secret project ONI is running, that's just plain stupid to have one person with that much power. It's call compartmentalization, the only things she knew of outsider her work were what Kalmyra and Cortana happened to steal for her when they hacked Ackerson's records and whatnot. As for Jorge, well, even though Halsey is like a mother to him, he's a soldier trained to follow orders, if he's told to keep his mouth shut about the Spartan 3s, that's what he'll do.

As for Ackerson, he STARTED the Spartan 3 program, having him not know about it seems kind of stupid. And considering that the Spartan IIs are spread throughout most of the known galaxy (And that happens to be a big place), along with the S3s only being sent offworld on training missions from Onyx (Which Halsey had to piece together herself from Ackerson's files), coupled with the fact that in the 2 engagements the Spartan 3s were ever in resulted in near total annihilation of the S3 companies, it's easy to believe that a team of 4 S3s could slip past as "Special Ops in power armor" or as Spartan 2's to generic foot soldiers.

Posted by: Old Salty273-Reach's Fleet: Got it's ass beat by some Corvettes and a Super Carrier? What happened to the Super MACs?

20 supermacs covering a planet larger then earth. Either they were stations randomly around the world or all focused around the shipyards on the face side of Reach where the Spartan 2's were fighting. And we don't know where Reach's fleet was at the time they attacked, the Epsilon Eraidani system would be a big place having 4 UNSC colony worlds on it, if the fleet's on patrol around the other colony worlds or split up, the few Reach defenders could haev easily been overrun by a surprise attack.

Remember, 60% of the fleet was within 48 hours of Reach itself. That doesn't mean by slipspace, that could easily mean at sublight speeds since human ships can't slipspace very accurately, maybe they have to be sublight inside a solar system to avoid entering a planet?


Posted by: Old Salty274-Halsey Meeting Noble Team: One of the biggest WTF moments in the game. When Halsey discovers the S-3 program in the novels she flips out, but when she meets Noble Team(not her Spartans) she doesn't seem to think anything of it.

She got the information and flipped out BEFORE meeting Noble, it's obvious. She did act gruff and unhappy to see the Noble team when they turned up, her anger doesn't have to by full blown womenishly hysterical all the time. She's a scientist and can be objective when she has to.


Posted by: Old Salty275-The Data Pads: According tot the data pads scattered through out the game a council of AIs influenced every major event in Halo's history. I just thought this was just plain lame. For me it comes off as cheesy, adding nothing significant to the overall story.

We have supercomputers during this every day around the world. Not to mention every RTS you play has an AI of varying levels of intelligence which calculate outcomes for engagements based on pure statistics. Saying AI is just another way of saying, "super advanced computer simulations"


Posted by: Old Salty276-Cortana's Half, The Forerunner Artifact and the Pillar of Autumn:

-For me this was the biggest disappointment. In the Reach Novel AI's can't just be split in two, if that were the case they would be much easier to produce. Although in First Strike Cortana is able to make short lived ghosts of herself that didn't last very long, doing so also damaged her. I would imagine if you go by the books canon cutting an AI in half would probably destroy it.

No, AIs can't be COPIED, they can be split with support. Merdicant Bias was a good example, he was ripped into 3 by offensive bias after the Halo event. that's how a part of him turned up on High Charity and another on the Ark. Loki/Mack is another example of one AI split into two, and these both preceeded Reach by 20+ in-universe years. AIs are just complicated computer programs, while you can split subroutines and generic functions off and have them run independantly, we do that these days. There's no reason why the Cortana fragment processing the Forerunner artefact couldn't be a "dumb AI" created by the Cortana on Autumn, purely with analytical and processing subroutines.


Posted by: Old Salty27-In the game "Cortana 1/2" finds Halo's location from the Forerunner artifact under Sword Base, in the book she is completely whole on the Autumn the whole battle and finds Halo's location from a Forerunner data crystal from Blue Team's previous mission.

No, she isn't completely whole. In fact, you don't know here state at all, all you know is Cortana is on the Autumn on Reach. Read the previous post for clarification on how this can be done reasonably. And there is no reason to believe her fragment from CASTLE had the halo data on it, that could be new data, perhaps about the ark or other aspects of forerunner technology. You don't know.


Posted by: Old Salty27-And last, but certianly not least the Pillar of Autumn. In the book it is actively fighting the Covenant fleet in orbit above Reach, in the game it's docked on the planet and launches under it's own power out of the atmosphere. It has been stated several times in both games and books that the largest UNSC ship capable of flying in atmosphere is a Frigate, while larger heavier armored ships like the Autumn have to be built in chunks in orbit and can only fly in space(except of course if you count crash landing flying in atmosphere).

The Autumn can be actively engaging the fleet still. All you see is it's launch from Reach, and in Halo 2, you see it fleeing similar to the end of Reach, but they didn't show any time difference between these two images, it could have been minutes, hours, days, between the launch and the escape videoes, without a frame of reference, they could have simply skipped showing the battle for the sake of drama - doesn't mean it didnt happen.


Posted by: Old Salty27Thoughts? Comments?

Canon doesn't clash anymore then a few minor dates/details. People beat this up far more then it should be

[Edited on 10.23.2010 5:53 AM PDT]

  • 10.23.2010 5:53 AM PDT

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  • 10.26.2010 2:07 PM PDT

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Wait, are you saying Reach fell in one day?

  • 10.26.2010 5:58 PM PDT
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Yeah, the canon's pretty much destroyed...

  • 10.26.2010 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: greengrunt117
Wait, are you saying Reach fell in one day?
In the book, which makes sense considering how outnumbered by the Covenant the UNSC were.

  • 10.26.2010 6:59 PM PDT

Just one thing to say. The books dont decide the game bungie does. Whatever they have is true, what ever the books have that doesnt agree with the games is error. Just saying.

  • 10.26.2010 7:49 PM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

Posted by: NGGziTTsME
Just one thing to say. The books dont decide the game bungie does. Whatever they have is true, what ever the books have that doesnt agree with the games is error. Just saying.


If you'd have read this thread, then you would have found the countless quotes from Bungie Officials essentially saying Game Canon = Book Canon, so, in essence, you're wrong.

On topic, in the Legendary Edition, there is a slip of paper that says that this is the most accurate account of Noble Team's actions on Reach, so Bungie have covered their asses quite well.

  • 10.27.2010 12:30 AM PDT

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  • 10.27.2010 3:48 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Or maybe the game is canon, and the books are full of errors? 0.o

  • 10.27.2010 3:59 PM PDT

July 24, 2552

* 0728 Hours: Noble Team is ordered to investigate a possible Insurrectionist activity at the disabled Visegrad Relay. Shortly after, the team learns that the Covenant are responsible for the attack on the relay. After retaking the relay, Noble Team discovers a data module on one of the dead staff. WINTER CONTINGENCY is declared.

[edit] July 26, 2552

* 1128 hours: A Covenant corvette attacks ONI Sword Base. Noble Team is deployed to secure the base and surrounding outposts. After the corvette is destroyed by orbital bombardment, Noble Team meets up with Dr. Halsey and hands over the data module retrieved from Visegrad Relay.

[edit] August 12th, 2552

* 0800 hours: The UNSC Army begins a full scale assault on the Viery Territory. Noble Team is sent to gather intelligence of Covenant-occupied sites and to destroy a EMP-emitting Covenant tower. The UNSC learn too late that the tower served as a teleporter linked to a cloaked Covenant Supercarrier. The UNSC Grafton is destroyed by the Supercarrier's energy projector.

* 2007 hours: Covenant invasion of Reach is fully underway. Noble Team begins developing a plan to destroy the enemy Supercarrier with a Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine used as a makeshift bomb. Auntie Dot informs Noble Team that 60% of the UNSC fleet is in route to Reach, the first battlegroup is set to enter the system in 48 hours.

[edit] August 14th, 2552

* 1248 hours: Noble Team assaults and retakes the Sabre Launch Facility and use it as a staging point for a battle above Reach. Using the Slipspace Drive from the UNSC Savannah, Noble Team disables and boards one of the Covenant corvettes and use it as the detonation point for the bomb. Due to a malfunction with the triggering mechanism, a member of Noble Team is forced to detonate the bomb manually. The Supercarrier is destroyed just as a Covenant Fleet arrives above Reach.

* 1248 hours: Covenant forces once again attack Sword Base and occupy the site. Dr. Halsey escapes capture by hiding under the facility.

[edit] August 23, 2552

* 1534 hours: The Covenant fleet begins glassing targeted areas of Reach, and a battle breaks out in New Alexandria. Noble Six and remaining Army infantrymen assist in the evacuation of civilians from the city.

* 1857 hours: Noble Six links up with the rest of Noble Team. The team destroys three jammers installed by the Covenant, allowing the UNSC to safely evacuate all personnel from the ONI HQ. When the team reunites, they are ordered by Colonel Holland to proceed to Sword Base. Another member of Noble Team is killed by sniper fire shortly afterward.

[edit] August 26, 2552

* The remnants of Noble Team are extracted by a Pelican from the ruins of New Alexandria.

[edit] August 29, 2552

* SPARTAN-B312 and a team of ODSTs secure a landing zone for Noble Team's Falcon. Later Noble Team proceed inside Sword Base only to learn their true mission: escort a part of Cortana to the Pillar of Autumn.

[edit] August 30, 2552
Reach being glassed by the Covenant.

* 0447 Hours: The Remote Scanning Outpost Fermion detects more incoming Covenant vessels. An emergency message is relayed to FLEETCOM. The outpost then self-destructs per the Cole Protocol due to an unsecured science library and nearby Covenant forces.

* 0500 Hours: Another fleet of 314[15] Covenant vessels exits slipspace on the edge of the system.

* 0517 Hours: Admiral Roland Freemont (FLEETCOM Sector One Commander) issues a general order to all vessels in the Reach, Jericho, and Tantalus systems.[16] All vessels and stations initiate the Cole Protocol and rush to Rally Point ZULU.

* 0534 Hours: Covenant vessels make pinpoint slipspace jumps attempting to destroy any incoming or outgoing human vessels before they can regroup. A Covenant Carrier targets the UNSC Pillar of Autumn but is destroyed.

* 0545 Hours: The Covenant vessels begin a frontal assault. As the Covenant and human fleets engage above Reach, it seems to be a stalemate, as Covenant ships take out UNSC ships, while the UNSC ships and MAC cannons take out an equal number. The first salvo by the UNSC vessels destroys a third of the remaining Covenant fleet. A Covenant supercruiser arrives and destroys several UNSC ships while outside human weapons range.

* 0558 Hours: Station Gamma Dockmaster AI Doppler is unable to implement the Cole Protocol on the UNSC Circumference, an ONI prowler docked at Reach Station Gamma, due to measures taken to maintain the secrecy of Operation: HYPODERMIC. Doppler sends priority message to FLEETCOM concerning this violation. Covenant intrusion software detects this oversight, and the Covenant deploys troops to seize the NAV database aboard the Circumference.

* 0616 Hours: The SPARTAN-IIs are dispatched from the Pillar of Autumn. John-117, Linda-058, and James form Blue Team and go aboard the Dock to destroy the Circumference, while the remainder form Red Team and head to the surface of Reach to defend the power generators for the MAC guns. James goes MIA when a Needler hits his thruster pack and propels him into space during combat. Blue Team continue through the station, rescuing Staff Sergeant Johnson; Private O'Brien, Private Bisenti, and Pvt. Wallace A. Jenkins from Kig-yar and Sangheili.

* 0620 Hours: Most of the Covenant fleet retreats from the system after deploying more dropships toward the surface. The UNSC fleet fires on the ships, destroying many although hundreds still land on Reach.

* 0621 Hours: The boarding craft are landed and the armory is overrun; the Covenant fleet re-returns to the system. The Covenant split their 150+ remaining ships. One fleet attacks the UNSC ships, while another takes out the MAC cannons and send in troops to land on Reach. The UNSC try to split their 50+ remaining forces to engage the Covenant, but there are too many platforms to cover and too many casualties. The Supercruiser continues to destroy UNSC ships, allowing the other ships to attack the MACs. Eventually the supercruiser is destroyed by the Pillar of Autumn, but the UNSC fleet is practically decimated so it is too late to do any good.

* 0631 Hours: Red Team's Pelican is shot down. They have no choice but to jump from the crashing Pelican and make a "hard landing" on the ground. Results in four dead and six seriously injured.

* 0637 Hours: John-117, the clinically dead Linda-058, and the Marines board the Pillar of Autumn.

* 0647 Hours: The Pillar of Autumn attempts to retreat from the system, but remains there for unknown reasons and heads for a drydock at the Aszod ship breaking yards on Reach, possibly for emergency repairs and to pick up the fragment of Cortana in Noble Team's possession.

* 0649 Hours: Red Team sets up defenses around ODG Facility A-331.

* 0711 Hours: Fred-104, Joshua-029, and Kelly-087 plant a nuclear warhead through the gravity lift in a landing Covenant cruiser, leaving Joshua-029 MIA, (presumed KIA) in the process.

* 0720 Hours: The Covenant destroys ODG Facility A-331 by aerial bombardment, though some Spartans escape. The surviving MAC guns are now offline and are quickly destroyed by plasma torpedoes. Remaining UNSC vessels have no choice but to retreat. The Covenant warships are split into two groups: five ship teams that hunt down the surviving UNSC vessels and a group of ships that align themselves in formation and begin to glass Reach.

* 1652 hours: The remainder of Noble Team head to the Aszod ship breaking yards to deliver a fragment of Cortana, which holds important navigation data, to the Pillar of Autumn. SPARTAN-B312 successfully delivers the package to the Autumn and allows the vessel to escape by destroying an incoming Covenant battlecruiser. The Pillar of Autumn, pursued by a dozen Covenant vessels, retreats from the system, heading for Installation 04.

* 2000 Hours: SPARTAN-B312 is one of the few standing survivors at the ship-breaking yards of Aszod and the planet Reach. The SPARTAN makes a final stand, fighting off waves of Covenant forces, until overwhelmed and eventually killed by a squad of 7 Sangheili warriors.

[edit] September 2552

September 7th

* 0002 Hours: The SPARTAN Red team survivors and Dr. Halsey, after days of walking through the abandoned Titanium mines below CASTLE base, reach a corridor covered in Forerunner symbols.
o Shortly afterwards: A series of detonations by Covenant forces looking for them cause the deaths of Vinh-030 and Isaac-039.

September 11th-12th

* Unknown time: The Installation 04 survivors arrive at Reach, having experienced a temporal anomaly sending them nearly two weeks into the past.

  • 10.27.2010 8:20 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Can anyone get me a date for the level "Nightfall"(the Jun mission.)

If I remember correctly, it was about 2 weeks before Tip of the Spear, but some of the dialog in game doesn't make sense.

At the end of Nightfall, Kat says "Tomorrows going to be a very busy day." Yet TotS isn't until weeks later.

Further more, Auntie Dot says something about "Noble's discovery last night," during the opening scene of Tip of the Spear.

And, if we want to get technical, Jun had a line that was cut saying, "Let's bake that cake we made last night," which was referring to the bomb he planted in the structure from Nightfall.

So,if the dates between missions are actually 2 weeks apart(Like I'm remembering) than Reach contradicts it'self.

Or, I could just be remembering wrong, if I am, somebody please point it out. Thanks.

  • 10.28.2010 7:09 AM PDT

Book:FoR
Page:242
Date: August 27 2552

Dr.Halsey: "We believe there is a 'race' of field commanders, which we are currently calling 'Elites'"

Sounds like the UNSC didn't discover elites until July 18 2552 when Master Chief was in Cote d'Azur

EDIT: also, in GoO, Dr.Halsey was surprised when she found out there were S-III's , which means she didnt know about S-III's until AFTER reach.How is this possible when she saw Noble team with her own eyes?

[Edited on 10.28.2010 8:57 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2010 8:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Can anyone get me a date for the level "Nightfall"(the Jun mission.)

If I remember correctly, it was about 2 weeks before Tip of the Spear, but some of the dialog in game doesn't make sense.

At the end of Nightfall, Kat says "Tomorrows going to be a very busy day." Yet TotS isn't until weeks later.

Further more, Auntie Dot says something about "Noble's discovery last night," during the opening scene of Tip of the Spear.

And, if we want to get technical, Jun had a line that was cut saying, "Let's bake that cake we made last night," which was referring to the bomb he planted in the structure from Nightfall.

So,if the dates between missions are actually 2 weeks apart(Like I'm remembering) than Reach contradicts it'self.

Or, I could just be remembering wrong, if I am, somebody please point it out. Thanks.
I booted up Nightfall just to find this out - there is no given date, implying it is the same as the last.

However - the time it gives is "26:30 hours". That is not in line with the UNSC Military (Earth-relative) Calendar, so is clearly 26:30 hours, Reach local time. It's also a 7 reference (6-2+3=7). So they took two weeks to assault the site and whatnot.

  • 10.28.2010 8:59 AM PDT

Fascinating thread, I'm still amazed how a seemingly simple shooter can have such a complicated universe. I've read the books but I still get confused as to how everything fits together. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing to be honest, I've played Mass Effect and read their books and it all fits together for me into one rich detailed universe. Halo is rich but so so convoluted.

Personally I don't think they should retcon so much, it creates a lot of conflicts and a lot of confusion within the universe.

Keep it going, great work people.

[Edited on 10.28.2010 9:17 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2010 9:16 AM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

Posted by: paytondothedew
Book:FoR
Page:242
Date: August 27 2552

Dr.Halsey: "We believe there is a 'race' of field commanders, which we are currently calling 'Elites'"

Sounds like the UNSC didn't discover elites until July 18 2552 when Master Chief was in Cote d'Azur

EDIT: also, in GoO, Dr.Halsey was surprised when she found out there were S-III's , which means she didnt know about S-III's until AFTER reach.How is this possible when she saw Noble team with her own eyes?


Somewhere in the journal it says that she thinks that the S IIIs are actually Spartan II Mk IIs, which she was going to do, but never had time to put into production.

  • 10.29.2010 8:10 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Posted by: paytondothedew
Book:FoR
Page:242
Date: August 27 2552

Dr.Halsey: "We believe there is a 'race' of field commanders, which we are currently calling 'Elites'"

Sounds like the UNSC didn't discover elites until July 18 2552 when Master Chief was in Cote d'Azur

EDIT: also, in GoO, Dr.Halsey was surprised when she found out there were S-III's , which means she didnt know about S-III's until AFTER reach.How is this possible when she saw Noble team with her own eyes?


Somewhere in the journal it says that she thinks that the S IIIs are actually Spartan II Mk IIs, which she was going to do, but never had time to put into production.
It wasn't time that was against her, it was her own conscience.

She knew that the problems (by which I mean death and grievous injury) that arose from the augmentations was because she had rushed them. Instead of green-lighting a second wave of S-IIs, she decided to work on the augmentations instead to lower, if not remove, their risk value (which was achieved with CHRYSANTHEMUM).

ONI got impatient, and took away her funding, meaning that she couldn't have produced a second S-II class if she wanted to. The funding later funded Ackerson's NavSpecWar projects, including his S-III programme.

  • 10.29.2010 9:13 AM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Posted by: paytondothedew
Book:FoR
Page:242
Date: August 27 2552

Dr.Halsey: "We believe there is a 'race' of field commanders, which we are currently calling 'Elites'"

Sounds like the UNSC didn't discover elites until July 18 2552 when Master Chief was in Cote d'Azur

EDIT: also, in GoO, Dr.Halsey was surprised when she found out there were S-III's , which means she didnt know about S-III's until AFTER reach.How is this possible when she saw Noble team with her own eyes?


Somewhere in the journal it says that she thinks that the S IIIs are actually Spartan II Mk IIs, which she was going to do, but never had time to put into production.
It wasn't time that was against her, it was her own conscience.

She knew that the problems (by which I mean death and grievous injury) that arose from the augmentations was because she had rushed them. Instead of green-lighting a second wave of S-IIs, she decided to work on the augmentations instead to lower, if not remove, their risk value (which was achieved with CHRYSANTHEMUM).

ONI got impatient, and took away her funding, meaning that she couldn't have produced a second S-II class if she wanted to. The funding later funded Ackerson's NavSpecWar projects, including his S-III programme.


That sounds about right, thanks JD. You mentioned CHRYSANTHEMUM, could you tell me where that's mentioned?

(To clarify, in the books/other media)

[Edited on 10.29.2010 3:47 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2010 10:47 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

CHRYSANTHEMUM was the name of the Spartan III augmentation procedures.

  • 10.31.2010 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Can anyone get me a date for the level "Nightfall"(the Jun mission.)

If I remember correctly, it was about 2 weeks before Tip of the Spear, but some of the dialog in game doesn't make sense.

At the end of Nightfall, Kat says "Tomorrows going to be a very busy day." Yet TotS isn't until weeks later.

Further more, Auntie Dot says something about "Noble's discovery last night," during the opening scene of Tip of the Spear.

And, if we want to get technical, Jun had a line that was cut saying, "Let's bake that cake we made last night," which was referring to the bomb he planted in the structure from Nightfall.

So,if the dates between missions are actually 2 weeks apart(Like I'm remembering) than Reach contradicts it'self.

Or, I could just be remembering wrong, if I am, somebody please point it out. Thanks.


No you're right, there is a two week discrepancy there. Sword base is on the 26th of July. Nightfall is either on the night of August 11th or extreme early morning of August 12th.

There's a possibility that the Covenant decided to stay low after the failed assault on Sword Base and took the time to gather a greater strike force. Meanwhile the UNSC spent this time massing their own forces, and sending out recon teams to locate the source of the Covenant forces. I think it's the one time having a time gap would make sense since it'd be hard to believe that both the UNSC and Covenant would be able to organize their forces, and deploy them all around the planet
almost simultaneously in a week with no intel other than that clash in Visagrad and Sword Base. Makes more sense than Halsey finding the time to brief all essential personnel for Red Flag, conduct John's test, and keep an eye on the Cortana fragment over the span of three days.

  • 10.31.2010 11:20 AM PDT