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Posted by: Old Salty27
Does anybody feel that Reach's new canon ruins Halo's previous lore or just adjusts it a bit? I'm kinda on the fence about. I willing to go with the new canon, but I can't say I'm not annoyed by some of the changes.
Nope, nothing of consequence was changed between the books and the games, only minor things like dates and tid-bit details.
Posted by: Old Salty271- Initial Covenant Attack on Reach: In the game the Covenant arrive much sooner and undetected than shown in the book. They also manage to slip past Reach's defenses completely undetected.
Not a retcon, the "initial invasion" was a scout force, the invasion described in the Fall of Reach was the main force that arrived after the cloaking shields were knocked down. John was on the other side of the planet at the time, so were most of the characters from "Fall of Reach", if there's a surprise attack like that, communications tend to be shakey.
Posted by: Old Salty27
2-Noble Team: Technically shouldn't exist according to Ghosts of Onyx. It's seems kinda difficult for ONI to not only keep the S-3 program a secret, but then keep Noble Team a secret as well from Ackerson, Halsey and any other Spartans they might bump into. Just seems a bit too overcomplicated.
No reason they shouldn't exist. Halsey would not be kept appraised of every secret project ONI is running, that's just plain stupid to have one person with that much power. It's call compartmentalization, the only things she knew of outsider her work were what Kalmyra and Cortana happened to steal for her when they hacked Ackerson's records and whatnot. As for Jorge, well, even though Halsey is like a mother to him, he's a soldier trained to follow orders, if he's told to keep his mouth shut about the Spartan 3s, that's what he'll do.
As for Ackerson, he STARTED the Spartan 3 program, having him not know about it seems kind of stupid. And considering that the Spartan IIs are spread throughout most of the known galaxy (And that happens to be a big place), along with the S3s only being sent offworld on training missions from Onyx (Which Halsey had to piece together herself from Ackerson's files), coupled with the fact that in the 2 engagements the Spartan 3s were ever in resulted in near total annihilation of the S3 companies, it's easy to believe that a team of 4 S3s could slip past as "Special Ops in power armor" or as Spartan 2's to generic foot soldiers.
Posted by: Old Salty273-Reach's Fleet: Got it's ass beat by some Corvettes and a Super Carrier? What happened to the Super MACs?
20 supermacs covering a planet larger then earth. Either they were stations randomly around the world or all focused around the shipyards on the face side of Reach where the Spartan 2's were fighting. And we don't know where Reach's fleet was at the time they attacked, the Epsilon Eraidani system would be a big place having 4 UNSC colony worlds on it, if the fleet's on patrol around the other colony worlds or split up, the few Reach defenders could haev easily been overrun by a surprise attack.
Remember, 60% of the fleet was within 48 hours of Reach itself. That doesn't mean by slipspace, that could easily mean at sublight speeds since human ships can't slipspace very accurately, maybe they have to be sublight inside a solar system to avoid entering a planet?
Posted by: Old Salty274-Halsey Meeting Noble Team: One of the biggest WTF moments in the game. When Halsey discovers the S-3 program in the novels she flips out, but when she meets Noble Team(not her Spartans) she doesn't seem to think anything of it.
She got the information and flipped out BEFORE meeting Noble, it's obvious. She did act gruff and unhappy to see the Noble team when they turned up, her anger doesn't have to by full blown womenishly hysterical all the time. She's a scientist and can be objective when she has to.
Posted by: Old Salty275-The Data Pads: According tot the data pads scattered through out the game a council of AIs influenced every major event in Halo's history. I just thought this was just plain lame. For me it comes off as cheesy, adding nothing significant to the overall story.
We have supercomputers during this every day around the world. Not to mention every RTS you play has an AI of varying levels of intelligence which calculate outcomes for engagements based on pure statistics. Saying AI is just another way of saying, "super advanced computer simulations"
Posted by: Old Salty276-Cortana's Half, The Forerunner Artifact and the Pillar of Autumn:
-For me this was the biggest disappointment. In the Reach Novel AI's can't just be split in two, if that were the case they would be much easier to produce. Although in First Strike Cortana is able to make short lived ghosts of herself that didn't last very long, doing so also damaged her. I would imagine if you go by the books canon cutting an AI in half would probably destroy it.
No, AIs can't be COPIED, they can be split with support. Merdicant Bias was a good example, he was ripped into 3 by offensive bias after the Halo event. that's how a part of him turned up on High Charity and another on the Ark. Loki/Mack is another example of one AI split into two, and these both preceeded Reach by 20+ in-universe years. AIs are just complicated computer programs, while you can split subroutines and generic functions off and have them run independantly, we do that these days. There's no reason why the Cortana fragment processing the Forerunner artefact couldn't be a "dumb AI" created by the Cortana on Autumn, purely with analytical and processing subroutines.
Posted by: Old Salty27-In the game "Cortana 1/2" finds Halo's location from the Forerunner artifact under Sword Base, in the book she is completely whole on the Autumn the whole battle and finds Halo's location from a Forerunner data crystal from Blue Team's previous mission.
No, she isn't completely whole. In fact, you don't know here state at all, all you know is Cortana is on the Autumn on Reach. Read the previous post for clarification on how this can be done reasonably. And there is no reason to believe her fragment from CASTLE had the halo data on it, that could be new data, perhaps about the ark or other aspects of forerunner technology. You don't know.
Posted by: Old Salty27-And last, but certianly not least the Pillar of Autumn. In the book it is actively fighting the Covenant fleet in orbit above Reach, in the game it's docked on the planet and launches under it's own power out of the atmosphere. It has been stated several times in both games and books that the largest UNSC ship capable of flying in atmosphere is a Frigate, while larger heavier armored ships like the Autumn have to be built in chunks in orbit and can only fly in space(except of course if you count crash landing flying in atmosphere).
The Autumn can be actively engaging the fleet still. All you see is it's launch from Reach, and in Halo 2, you see it fleeing similar to the end of Reach, but they didn't show any time difference between these two images, it could have been minutes, hours, days, between the launch and the escape videoes, without a frame of reference, they could have simply skipped showing the battle for the sake of drama - doesn't mean it didnt happen.
Posted by: Old Salty27Thoughts? Comments?
Canon doesn't clash anymore then a few minor dates/details. People beat this up far more then it should be
[Edited on 10.23.2010 5:53 AM PDT]