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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

dude every sparten has a clone

  • 10.31.2010 2:43 PM PDT

heres another in most halo guide books for the games they say spartan 117 was the last spartan but jun is still alive on the planet 117 drifted to at end of h3

  • 10.31.2010 5:33 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: xXluster fireXx
heres another in most halo guide books for the games they say spartan 117 was the last spartan but jun is still alive on the planet 117 drifted to at end of h3


The guide books fall into the third level canon, "Marketing."

Marketing includes the guide books, strategy guides, toys, ARGS, and anything else.

The books(second level of canon.) override the third level. If you had read the novels, you'd know that many, many, more spartans are alive than just the chief.

  • 10.31.2010 5:45 PM PDT

why do you have to be such a debbie downer.....just accept that everyone makes a few little mistakes and deal with it....its ok bungie...i still love you<3

  • 10.31.2010 8:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: xXluster fireXx
heres another in most halo guide books for the games they say spartan 117 was the last spartan but jun is still alive on the planet 117 drifted to at end of h3


The guide books fall into the third level canon, "Marketing."

Marketing includes the guide books, strategy guides, toys, ARGS, and anything else.

The books(second level of canon.) override the third level. If you had read the novels, you'd know that many, many, more spartans are alive than just the chief.


The back of CE says you're the last spartan as well. That or one of the game manuals, it's there none the less. And since they're directly related to the game's premise I'd imagine it's the highest level of canon

[Edited on 10.31.2010 8:48 PM PDT]

  • 10.31.2010 8:46 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: xXluster fireXx
heres another in most halo guide books for the games they say spartan 117 was the last spartan but jun is still alive on the planet 117 drifted to at end of h3


The guide books fall into the third level canon, "Marketing."

Marketing includes the guide books, strategy guides, toys, ARGS, and anything else.

The books(second level of canon.) override the third level. If you had read the novels, you'd know that many, many, more spartans are alive than just the chief.


The back of CE says you're the last spartan as well. That or one of the game manuals, it's there none the less. And since they're directly related to the game's premise I'd imagine it's the highest level of canon


In game content is not the same as the PR material, which I believe the guidebooks fall under.

Regardless, "New canon overrides old canon" so the CE manual would be wrong.

  • 10.31.2010 9:13 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I read the game booklets that come with the game and play the game. That's my canon.
/opinion

  • 10.31.2010 9:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
CHRYSANTHEMUM was the name of the Spartan III augmentation procedures.


So it would be in GoO? Thanks Caboose. Also, to the guy above me, canon is whatever you personally choose to believe, as it's all fictitious, but we are debating this because we believe almost everything Halo related is canon, and we would like to know why there are errors and such. So we make the most probable solution ^^

  • 11.01.2010 2:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I read the game booklets that come with the game and play the game. That's my canon.
/opinion

Well, that's fine. You can consider "Superman IV: the Quest for Peace" as part of your own Halo cannon for all that it matters. The point of the thread here is to figure out "official" Halo cannon.

  • 11.01.2010 6:39 AM PDT

Who said it was Master Chief. What if it was just a back-up set of amour????

  • 11.01.2010 2:10 PM PDT

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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
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Posted by: TecehyTim
Who said it was Master Chief. What if it was just a back-up set of amour????
It was in a cryotube. There are two people it could have been, Chief or Linda. I like saying it was Linda because it screws with the people who made the Z0MGZ ITZ MASTUR CHEEF! threads back in the first/second week of release.

After all, Chief wouldn't be in cryo yet, but Linda would. IMO. Anyway, it's just an easter egg, based on several reasons. Like the fact that a cryotube is in an open hangar bay.

[Edited on 11.01.2010 2:44 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2010 2:43 PM PDT

I hope so man...

  • 11.02.2010 11:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: John Cage4
I agree. It is sad. There's no good reason they couldn't have just kept everything consistent.

And people who say "The games are canon and can overwrite the other stuff" are missing the point. Why not just have it all fit? It wouldn't have been that difficult.


You people sound like Trekkies. That TERRIFIES me.

  • 11.03.2010 1:49 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Jessesse
Posted by: John Cage4
I agree. It is sad. There's no good reason they couldn't have just kept everything consistent.

And people who say "The games are canon and can overwrite the other stuff" are missing the point. Why not just have it all fit? It wouldn't have been that difficult.


You people sound like Trekkies. That TERRIFIES me.
What's the point of a backstory, where two different parts don't agree? None.

What's the point of a backstory, where multiple different parts don't agree? Negative point, and at that point it does start to look like cash cowing the series.

  • 11.03.2010 2:19 AM PDT

All you people saying the Covenant are imitative, in technology yes, they are imitative, because they know nearly squat about creating new tech, though I still think the Huragok could invent something completely new if they wanted to, the Covenant are most definitely not completely imitative in their strategies however, saying they are would simply be idiotic. There is no way they could win as much as they do if they were entirely imitative in their strategy.

And having the Super Carrier/Corvette(s) slip past the detection systems of Reach is not really a big problem, we don't know everything about the Covenant tech, and Bungie can fix this minor issue quite easily, we just need to either think up our own theories, I've seen quite a few good ones in here, or just wait 'til 343 tells us how it worked.

From what I know of TFoR, haven't read it yet, but I'm hopefully borrowing from a friend today, it doesn't seem like Halo Reach really messed anything up, the only issue I can see is the Pillar of Autumn being on Reach in the game, but again, this is something that can easily be fixed with a little thought invested, and we just wait 'til 343 tells us what the deal is.

  • 11.03.2010 9:01 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: OrderedComa
All you people saying the Covenant are imitative, in technology yes, they are imitative, because they know nearly squat about creating new tech, though I still think the Huragok could invent something completely new if they wanted to, the Covenant are most definitely not completely imitative in their strategies however, saying they are would simply be idiotic. There is no way they could win as much as they do if they were entirely imitative in their strategy.

And having the Super Carrier/Corvette(s) slip past the detection systems of Reach is not really a big problem, we don't know everything about the Covenant tech, and Bungie can fix this minor issue quite easily, we just need to either think up our own theories, I've seen quite a few good ones in here, or just wait 'til 343 tells us how it worked.

From what I know of TFoR, haven't read it yet, but I'm hopefully borrowing from a friend today, it doesn't seem like Halo Reach really messed anything up, the only issue I can see is the Pillar of Autumn being on Reach in the game, but again, this is something that can easily be fixed with a little thought invested, and we just wait 'til 343 tells us what the deal is.


It was Ghosts of Oynx, I believe, that proved that Covenant strategy is imitative, not innovative. Fred commented that if a UNSC ship was captured like how the spartans captured AJ, the UNSC would have created new regulations and strategies to ensure it never happened again. The Covenant, however, did NOT change anything. Blue Team was able to capture another Covenant ship in GoO because the Covenant strategies remained the same.

  • 11.03.2010 9:08 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
All you people saying the Covenant are imitative, in technology yes, they are imitative, because they know nearly squat about creating new tech, though I still think the Huragok could invent something completely new if they wanted to, the Covenant are most definitely not completely imitative in their strategies however, saying they are would simply be idiotic. There is no way they could win as much as they do if they were entirely imitative in their strategy.

And having the Super Carrier/Corvette(s) slip past the detection systems of Reach is not really a big problem, we don't know everything about the Covenant tech, and Bungie can fix this minor issue quite easily, we just need to either think up our own theories, I've seen quite a few good ones in here, or just wait 'til 343 tells us how it worked.

From what I know of TFoR, haven't read it yet, but I'm hopefully borrowing from a friend today, it doesn't seem like Halo Reach really messed anything up, the only issue I can see is the Pillar of Autumn being on Reach in the game, but again, this is something that can easily be fixed with a little thought invested, and we just wait 'til 343 tells us what the deal is.


It was Ghosts of Oynx, I believe, that proved that Covenant strategy is imitative, not innovative. Fred commented that if a UNSC ship was captured like how the spartans captured AJ, the UNSC would have created new regulations and strategies to ensure it never happened again. The Covenant, however, did NOT change anything. Blue Team was able to capture another Covenant ship in GoO because the Covenant strategies remained the same.


Yup. Fred points this out when Blue Team capture the Bloodied Spirit and destroy its sister ship.

  • 11.03.2010 11:27 AM PDT
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For the last canon error, (Pillar of Autumn) it would've been very easy to fix for Bungie. During the last mission of the game (not Lone Wolf) they could have had you fighting your way and to one of the Orbital Elevators and kept PoA in space docked to the OE. Then you would have to protect the elevator from the Covenant ship glassing it.

  • 11.03.2010 12:06 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa
All you people saying the Covenant are imitative, in technology yes, they are imitative, because they know nearly squat about creating new tech, though I still think the Huragok could invent something completely new if they wanted to, the Covenant are most definitely not completely imitative in their strategies however, saying they are would simply be idiotic. There is no way they could win as much as they do if they were entirely imitative in their strategy.

And having the Super Carrier/Corvette(s) slip past the detection systems of Reach is not really a big problem, we don't know everything about the Covenant tech, and Bungie can fix this minor issue quite easily, we just need to either think up our own theories, I've seen quite a few good ones in here, or just wait 'til 343 tells us how it worked.

From what I know of TFoR, haven't read it yet, but I'm hopefully borrowing from a friend today, it doesn't seem like Halo Reach really messed anything up, the only issue I can see is the Pillar of Autumn being on Reach in the game, but again, this is something that can easily be fixed with a little thought invested, and we just wait 'til 343 tells us what the deal is.


It was Ghosts of Oynx, I believe, that proved that Covenant strategy is imitative, not innovative. Fred commented that if a UNSC ship was captured like how the spartans captured AJ, the UNSC would have created new regulations and strategies to ensure it never happened again. The Covenant, however, did NOT change anything. Blue Team was able to capture another Covenant ship in GoO because the Covenant strategies remained the same.


Well like I said, I haven't gotten to read the books yet, got them today. I don't know about that saying anything about whether tactics are imitative or not, I do think however that it points to a severe lack of intelligence or arrogance, or maybe both together :P

  • 11.03.2010 5:01 PM PDT

Halo's story is too big to complete any gap

until Halo 3 we didn't know anything aobut the ark and that, but bungie actually finished Halo story in the Halo 2 period, same with Reach, we didn't know about N6 saving cortana until now

Bungie creates canon, and Reach falls in august 30 yeah, the lone wolf level happpens on that day

And more important than anything, bungie creates canon they can do what they want...


the only thing I don't like is that bungie didn't show anything aobut Reach or massive battles
you can get to know the culture in Winter Contingancy and in Exodus, but it never conects you to pleople

and the level Exodus starts in a very weak way
the game could have been longer.. :S

[Edited on 11.03.2010 5:15 PM PDT]

  • 11.03.2010 5:13 PM PDT

who gives a crap. just play the game like everybody else

  • 11.03.2010 6:14 PM PDT

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After playing all the games and reading all the books, I knew there were some inconsistencies, but to see them listed out like this is kinda sad. It feels like the later seasons of Lost, when they were trying to wrap the story up and people just had more and more questions because there were holes in the story. I can give Bungie some slack, it's tough to corral the storyline of such a rapidly expanding universe, but we've all come to expect the best from Bungie, especially in the storyline we've all been very invested in. This doesn't change my opinions about Bungie or the Halo universe, but it seems a bit more careful analysis would've helped avoid these things. Obviously there are lots of people here who care enough to dig through and find these problems, hiring people to address those issues before games and books come out seems like it would be fruitful.

It's also possible that as they were releasing info for the writers of the books, they kinda got themselves backed into a corner as far as dates and events, what Spartans were supposed to be where, etc, and they had to cut some corners to connect it all on Reach.

  • 11.03.2010 6:45 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: NoonalkerCRT1
who gives a crap. just play the game like everybody else
What the hell are you doing in this forum, if you're going to say stuff like that? This forum is for discussion of canon, so therefore everyone in this forum should 'give a crap' about canon. If you were to read through this thread, I've had to say this more than 10 times, and I'm now thoroughly -blam!- bored of it.

  • 11.03.2010 11:55 PM PDT

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Ok for the Pillar of Autumn, if it was in Reach and not in space, did the Master Chief and Linda to get the Nav dat? and did they destroyed the Covenant super carrier with the new plasma weapon? or none of this ever happened?

  • 11.04.2010 9:53 PM PDT