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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

Right, I am going to have a go at trying to explain / offer theories on the below - purely to generate discussion - flaming etc is not wanted nor welcome in any part of this neck of the Universe


Error: Reach was invaded on July 24th.

Proof: All Halo media has always stated Reach fell in one day, and that day was August 30th.

Sources:Ghosts of Oynx, First Strike, Fall of Reach.


The main invasion could of been the 30th, however the insertion by the super carrier would have been on an earlier date


Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.


Perhaps they were plucked before / during the mission as exceptional candiadtes ? If you had several grade A soldiers there would be little point sending them on a certain death trip. Does the little convo between Mendez and Kurt indicate that certain SIII's were plucked from operations ?


Error: ONI's actions as well as the Cole Protocol.

According to the Cole Protocol, if any Covenant Forces are detected, then all NAV bases and ships should purge their computers of information to protect Earth and the inner colonies.

Proof:If Covenant are detected on Reach on July 23rd, how is it that a month later, there are still computers with information to Earth still active? If ONI hadn't taken more than a month, than Blue team wouldn't have been deployed to the Circumference, and James wouldn't have died, and Linda wouldn't have been in a coma. Infact, they would have been on Reach with Red team.

Sources:

Pg 289 of The Fall of Reach gives information on the purging of Info not complete.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/United_Nations_Space_Command_Emerg ency_Priority_Order_098831A-1



I think this is one of the biggest and subtle canon breaks in the game - unfortunately it feels like the average gamer would have no concept of the Cole Protocol...and if it had been included there would of been hundreds of threads asking what it was


Error: Carter, Emile, and Jun's age.
Carter is born in 2520. He was 11 years old when Alpha Company began their training. This puts him 5 years above the previously stated age, and it makes no sense at all. Why would they have an 11 year old on the same training regime as a 4 year old? It's too large of a difference, and it's an error that can be avoiding by simply changing his birthdate. This same thing goes for Emile and Jun, who are older than 6 years old at Alpha training.

Proof: Page 69(I'm doing this by memory, I may be wrong.) of Ghosts of Oynx states that all of Alpha Company was comprised of 4, 5, and 6 year old children that he was going to have to forge into the best warriors humanity has ever seen.

Source: Ghosts of Oynx, page 69.


This one I am not sure even I can explain, perhaps someone along the line lied about their ages (to boost numbers) for reasons unknown ?


Error: Lack of Orbital MAC's.

Proof: Reach had a number of Orbital MAC's that were used in the battle of Reach. They were present on August 30th, so they should have been present during the mission "Long Night of Solace" in Halo: Reach. Had they been present, they Jorge wouldn't have died. Where were they?

Source: Fall of Reach, First Strike, Halo: Reach



This was a large shocker, perhaps the MAC cannons were on a different side of the planet or clumped in a different area...if you were commander of the LNOS then you wouldn't move your prized ship into a firing line of a massive anti ship battery

- But, it seems like the MACS were made obsolete by Bungie's need to create a dramatic death...shame as I wanted to see the SMACS knock seven bells out of some ships


Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.

Proof During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened.

Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Sources: Halo: Reach, Fall of Reach


Perhaps they knew Reach was doomed to fall, sending the Spartans on the ground would have consigned them and the UNSC's best soldiers to a burning end. Perhaps they were banking on capturing the prophet and halting the Covenant before they got to Earth ?

All in all I agree with Mr Caboose's points and each one can be answered by "Bungie retconned the books so the casuals could understand the story"

Sadly, that seems to be the case and I could have imagined Reach being a far better game if they had followed the books a little closer.

Fact I still cannot grasp (as they made the game assuming people had not read the books) is why they chose to use SIII's as the main characters ?

Not every Halo gamer would have heard of SIII's ? If they did assume that most people had read the books and knew of SIII's (to validate their inclusion) then why try to change some of the key facts contained in the books ?

Does seem to be a bit of a mess - but we also do not know of how much Bungie was allowed to show / reveal in the Halo timeline / galaxy as 343i might have the intellectual rights and potentially blocked Bungie on certain aspects ?

Just a thought

[Edited on 11.05.2010 7:02 AM PDT]

  • 11.05.2010 6:57 AM PDT
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I think they chose SIII's because they wanted to change as little as possible. Bungie clearly wanted to tell their story in a very specific way, but also clearly wanted to interfere with the books preestablished canon as little as possible, otherwise they wouldn't have even bothered with Halsey's journal. It's just that the story that they wanted to tell in the game was more important to them, so if a few details needed to be fudged, then they did(not excusing it, just saying what probabl happened), but clearly they intended to try to make it work where they could. As far as using Spartan III's in the game however, I don't know that during they game anywhere the term "Spartan III" is ever actually used and their conversation with Halsey is just subtle enough that someone who's never read the books probably wouldn't pick up too much on any difference between Spartan groups(probably wouldn't even know Halsey created the first group), but people who had could see right away that Jorge was the only Spartan II (and probably would have read enough related materials to know the rest were SIII's) and would understand the conversation on a whole other level from a casual player. It's a very fine line they walk in the game's sometimes.

  • 11.05.2010 2:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fearing
I think they chose SIII's because they wanted to change as little as possible. Bungie clearly wanted to tell their story in a very specific way, but also clearly wanted to interfere with the books preestablished canon as little as possible, otherwise they wouldn't have even bothered with Halsey's journal. It's just that the story that they wanted to tell in the game was more important to them, so if a few details needed to be fudged, then they did(not excusing it, just saying what probabl happened), but clearly they intended to try to make it work where they could. As far as using Spartan III's in the game however, I don't know that during they game anywhere the term "Spartan III" is ever actually used and their conversation with Halsey is just subtle enough that someone who's never read the books probably wouldn't pick up too much on any difference between Spartan groups(probably wouldn't even know Halsey created the first group), but people who had could see right away that Jorge was the only Spartan II (and probably would have read enough related materials to know the rest were SIII's) and would understand the conversation on a whole other level from a casual player. It's a very fine line they walk in the game's sometimes.


Totally agree, it seems that the more you know about the books the more it makes Reach feel "wrong" ?

Am I the only one thinking that ?

  • 11.05.2010 2:08 PM PDT

Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: Telec
Posted by: Hysterical Joker
A Supercarrier is not something you can keep quiet.
I didn't notice it until it decloaked.

See, the thing about that, how does the Covenant manage to construct all those cloaking towers without first having the material transported down by the superior carrier. And how does the Supercarrier manage to get into orbit and out of slip space without being detected/shot down by the numerous MAC platforms and other early detection technology.


If you have ever played Halo Wars watch how the Covenant bases are built, the appear materialize from some type of purple energy. Perhaps the Covenant have some type of nano-building or energy building system which is how they build bases and vehicles so quickly.

Also, for the guy who said that Banshees and Seraphs couldn't exit slipspace, how do you know that the material they're made of isn't resistant to that? Maybe it has some type of flexible properties. We don't know much about that purple Covenant metal at all.

  • 11.05.2010 2:38 PM PDT


Posted by: HaloFan9795
Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: Telec
Posted by: Hysterical Joker
A Supercarrier is not something you can keep quiet.
I didn't notice it until it decloaked.

See, the thing about that, how does the Covenant manage to construct all those cloaking towers without first having the material transported down by the superior carrier. And how does the Supercarrier manage to get into orbit and out of slip space without being detected/shot down by the numerous MAC platforms and other early detection technology.


If you have ever played Halo Wars watch how the Covenant bases are built, the appear materialize from some type of purple energy. Perhaps the Covenant have some type of nano-building or energy building system which is how they build bases and vehicles so quickly.

Also, for the guy who said that Banshees and Seraphs couldn't exit slipspace, how do you know that the material they're made of isn't resistant to that? Maybe it has some type of flexible properties. We don't know much about that purple Covenant metal at all.


yeah, we know very little actually about Covenant tech and what it can and cannot due. I don't see any problem with Phantoms/Seraphs/Space Banshees slipping out of slipspace from their carrier ships. I doubt they could enter slipspace on their own though.

  • 11.05.2010 3:15 PM PDT
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There were orbital macs, because in the level sword base you see the corvette destroyed by an orbital mac

  • 11.05.2010 3:24 PM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

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Ah, the amazing purple metal... If the UNSC could manufacture something similar... Slipspace enabled Spartans? Who knows?


Posted by: qpr7878
There were orbital macs, because in the level sword base you see the corvette destroyed by an orbital mac


Was it an orbital MAC? I thought it was a Destroyer, but the only place I can find reference is Halopedia, and that's just unreliable. I will have a look later and tell you what I find.

  • 11.06.2010 2:39 AM PDT


Posted by: qpr7878
There were orbital macs, because in the level sword base you see the corvette destroyed by an orbital mac


I bailed on this thread about 20 pages ago cos it turned into a slagging match, but i want to make a point about this.

I really dont think the round which took out the corvette was from an SMAC, because from what we see its too small and too slow. SMAC are meant to fire at at like 1/2 lightspeed or something right, while a ship MAC is meant to fire at a couple of KM/sec. No way that round was travelling at 1/2 lightspeed, however given the rough size of a corvette and the speed which we see it go through and then hit the water, it fits with being a ship MAC round. Also no way that round was 3000 tons.

The reference to 'orbital defence' could have just been that after the SMACS were taken offline by the advance strike force which disabled the groundside generators to prepare for the main fleet attack, a handful of UNSC frigates and destroyers were reassigned as 'orbital defence' in lieu of the SMACS, because having that is better than having no orbital defence at all.

  • 11.06.2010 3:25 AM PDT

"Bet you can't stick it"

It seems as though they made this game to either test the fans knowledge or to anger them. After my second reading of the fall of reach I realized so many things were wrong. It was like putting the pieces together of a blank jigsaw puzzle.

  • 11.06.2010 4:09 PM PDT

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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

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Posted by: HaloFan9795
Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: Telec
Posted by: Hysterical Joker
A Supercarrier is not something you can keep quiet.
I didn't notice it until it decloaked.

See, the thing about that, how does the Covenant manage to construct all those cloaking towers without first having the material transported down by the superior carrier. And how does the Supercarrier manage to get into orbit and out of slip space without being detected/shot down by the numerous MAC platforms and other early detection technology.


If you have ever played Halo Wars watch how the Covenant bases are built, the appear materialize from some type of purple energy. Perhaps the Covenant have some type of nano-building or energy building system which is how they build bases and vehicles so quickly.

Also, for the guy who said that Banshees and Seraphs couldn't exit slipspace, how do you know that the material they're made of isn't resistant to that? Maybe it has some type of flexible properties. We don't know much about that purple Covenant metal at all.


yeah, we know very little actually about Covenant tech and what it can and cannot due. I don't see any problem with Phantoms/Seraphs/Space Banshees slipping out of slipspace from their carrier ships. I doubt they could enter slipspace on their own though.
Well, the escape pod of a Covenant Missionary Vessel (with a crew of 6) was equipped with a slipspace drive.Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Ah, the amazing purple metal... If the UNSC could manufacture something similar... Slipspace enabled Spartans? Who knows?
It was actually on the cards for MkVII MJOLNIR to be capable of transitioning out of slipspace unassisted - surpassing the capabilities of even the S-IIIs and their ODST slipspace drop pods

[Edited on 11.07.2010 2:28 AM PST]

  • 11.07.2010 2:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Psuedo
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Fatal Factor

Posted by: qpr7878
There were orbital macs, because in the level sword base you see the corvette destroyed by an orbital mac


I bailed on this thread about 20 pages ago cos it turned into a slagging match, but i want to make a point about this.

I really dont think the round which took out the corvette was from an SMAC, because from what we see its too small and too slow. SMAC are meant to fire at at like 1/2 lightspeed or something right, while a ship MAC is meant to fire at a couple of KM/sec. No way that round was travelling at 1/2 lightspeed, however given the rough size of a corvette and the speed which we see it go through and then hit the water, it fits with being a ship MAC round. Also no way that round was 3000 tons.
Given the ridiculous velocity of the round, it will have simply penetrated the water, hence the minimal splash.

Also, there is no way a ship MAC is going to penetrate through two sets of shield, and also every deck of a Covenant ship. One or the other, yes.
A Covenant Light Cruiser's (~300m) shield is capable of withstanding MAC strikes, so a Corvette, at closer to 4-500m, would be able to withstand the damage even better.

Only an SMAC could do that kind of damage.
The reference to 'orbital defence' could have just been that after the SMACS were taken offline by the advance strike force which disabled the groundside generators to prepare for the main fleet attack, a handful of UNSC frigates and destroyers were reassigned as 'orbital defence' in lieu of the SMACS, because having that is better than having no orbital defence at all.Groundside SMAC generators were not even hit until 30th August, SWORD Base is set on 26th July.

  • 11.07.2010 2:32 AM PDT

Still doesent make sense. The round we see is simply not large and fast enough to be an smac, but it fits with being a frigate round or something. Something massing 3000 tons travelling at 50% lightspeed would not just hole the ship then make a small splash, it would be like setting off a LARGE nuke. Look up 'kinetic bomb'

I agree with you that a frigate mac round would just bounce off a shield though, so the corvette shield must be down for some reason, perhaps due to the AA batteries around sword base, one of which you activate an other can be seen in the distance over by the runways. Also, how to explain the end of Exodus where you activate the missile AA battery and it plugs and sets fire to the hovering corvette hull directly, no sign of any shielding? Also, how was noble 6 able to shoot up the engines and then land directly on the Ardent Prayer, why didnt her sabre just bounce off its shield?

My point is perhaps were all assuming a covenant corvette has shielding when perhaps for some reason it does not? Kind of like how some smaller infantry units do not have full shielding yet other units like elites do.

I dont have an answer about the SMAC generators not being hit until 30th Aug, except that its according to the books version of events, and this could well just be another canon break be Reach :(

Infact im sure auntie dot states at the start of tip of the spear that orbital defence has been compromised by the advanced strike force associated with the spires, and thats well before Aug 30th. So yes canon break.

  • 11.07.2010 4:43 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Fatal Factor
Still doesent make sense. The round we see is simply not large and fast enough to be an smac, but it fits with being a frigate round or something. Something massing 3000 tons travelling at 50% lightspeed would not just hole the ship then make a small splash, it would be like setting off a LARGE nuke. Look up 'kinetic bomb'
The rapid heat and energy expansion release of a nuclear detonation simply will not translate to a kinetic weapon.
With numbers as ludicrously high as those given for SMACs, and even MACs themselves, yes there will be a massive thermal release. But it will never be on the same scale as a nuclear detonation entirely on principle.
For an SMAC, the round will simply overpenetrate, going right through - as we see in the cinematic.

A regular MAC round, due to its instantaneous deceleration to 0, will shatter and probably release a lot of heat from friction. Thus not doing much in the penetration department.

I agree with you that a frigate mac round would just bounce off a shield though, so the corvette shield must be down for some reason, perhaps due to the AA batteries around sword base, one of which you activate an other can be seen in the distance over by the runways. Also, how to explain the end of Exodus where you activate the missile AA battery and it plugs and sets fire to the hovering corvette hull directly, no sign of any shielding? Also, how was noble 6 able to shoot up the engines and then land directly on the Ardent Prayer, why didnt her sabre just bounce off its shield?It was a dorsal landing pad for Sabre fighters, so probably would not have had a shield, or it was down to allow the Sabres to take off and land. The spar running along the top of the landing pad is probably a 'spine' that its shield would run along, when active.

My point is perhaps were all assuming a covenant corvette has shielding when perhaps for some reason it does not? Kind of like how some smaller infantry units do not have full shielding yet other units like elites do.That doesn't make sense, that Corvettes simply weren't issued with energy shields.
Ministry of Tranquillity vessels were equipped with them, as were light cruisers (which are much smaller than Corvettes) and even Stealth Corvettes have shielding systems.
Unlike a Stealth Corvette or Ministry of Tranquillity vessel, a Corvette is a direct ship-of-the-line warship, for naval engagements and ground support. If any light vessel was to have an energy shield, I would bet good money it was that. Does not explain how the AA battery in Exodus strikes and damages hull.

I dont have an answer about the SMAC generators not being hit until 30th Aug, except that its according to the books version of events, and this could well just be another canon break be Reach :(

Infact im sure auntie dot states at the start of tip of the spear that orbital defence has been compromised by the advanced strike force associated with the spires, and thats well before Aug 30th. So yes canon break.

Big canon break - not only can Blue Team's mission no longer occur, but neither can Red Team's. Meaning that the end of Fall of Reach and parts of First Strike are now more wrecked for canon than I originally thought they were.

  • 11.07.2010 6:53 AM PDT

i am a casual.but i know alot about halo lore so i find it an insult that you say "they retconned it so the casuals could understand" i understand it pefectly,thank you very much.

  • 11.08.2010 2:18 PM PDT

Posted by: shooby
Halo Reach's campaign just pissed me off alot. Especially the PoA being on the planet.

same here, to me it made no sense havinf read FOR before the game came out. it halopedia it says that the POA was about to exit slipspace(and go to halo) but FOR SOME REASON just happned to need to pick up Cortana, and she was already on the POA as stated in the book. it made no sense

  • 11.09.2010 2:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Gandalf: I'm new. And a wizard.

Sapphire just got even more awesome.

Posted by: mount420: You are late.
Posted by: jaythenerdkid: A wizard is never late.
Posted by: THORSGOD: Nor is he ever early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

Why isn't there anything related to Cortana in the OP? So much to do with her was messed up after the release of Reach. Not going into detail right now, tired.

  • 11.09.2010 3:06 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Vadam930
Why isn't there anything related to Cortana in the OP? So much to do with her was messed up after the release of Reach. Not going into detail right now, tired.


Nothing about Reach's story messed Cortana up, amazingly. The Journal fixed all the issues brought up by the game.

But I'm surprised after 30 pages and 2+ months Bungie's yet to even comment on any of these errors.

  • 11.09.2010 3:49 AM PDT

Posted by: Gandalf: I'm new. And a wizard.

Sapphire just got even more awesome.

Posted by: mount420: You are late.
Posted by: jaythenerdkid: A wizard is never late.
Posted by: THORSGOD: Nor is he ever early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

Posted by: privet caboose
Nothing about Reach's story messed Cortana up, amazingly. The Journal fixed all the issues brought up by the game.


Ah, hadn't got around to reading that yet. Thanks!

  • 11.09.2010 4:05 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Fatal Factor
Still doesent make sense. The round we see is simply not large and fast enough to be an smac, but it fits with being a frigate round or something. Something massing 3000 tons travelling at 50% lightspeed would not just hole the ship then make a small splash, it would be like setting off a LARGE nuke. Look up 'kinetic bomb'
The rapid heat and energy expansion release of a nuclear detonation simply will not translate to a kinetic weapon.
With numbers as ludicrously high as those given for SMACs, and even MACs themselves, yes there will be a massive thermal release. But it will never be on the same scale as a nuclear detonation entirely on principle.
For an SMAC, the round will simply overpenetrate, going right through - as we see in the cinematic.

A regular MAC round, due to its instantaneous deceleration to 0, will shatter and probably release a lot of heat from friction. Thus not doing much in the penetration department.

I agree with you that a frigate mac round would just bounce off a shield though, so the corvette shield must be down for some reason, perhaps due to the AA batteries around sword base, one of which you activate an other can be seen in the distance over by the runways. Also, how to explain the end of Exodus where you activate the missile AA battery and it plugs and sets fire to the hovering corvette hull directly, no sign of any shielding? Also, how was noble 6 able to shoot up the engines and then land directly on the Ardent Prayer, why didnt her sabre just bounce off its shield?It was a dorsal landing pad for Sabre fighters, so probably would not have had a shield, or it was down to allow the Sabres to take off and land. The spar running along the top of the landing pad is probably a 'spine' that its shield would run along, when active.

My point is perhaps were all assuming a covenant corvette has shielding when perhaps for some reason it does not? Kind of like how some smaller infantry units do not have full shielding yet other units like elites do.That doesn't make sense, that Corvettes simply weren't issued with energy shields.
Ministry of Tranquillity vessels were equipped with them, as were light cruisers (which are much smaller than Corvettes) and even Stealth Corvettes have shielding systems.
Unlike a Stealth Corvette or Ministry of Tranquillity vessel, a Corvette is a direct ship-of-the-line warship, for naval engagements and ground support. If any light vessel was to have an energy shield, I would bet good money it was that. Does not explain how the AA battery in Exodus strikes and damages hull.

I dont have an answer about the SMAC generators not being hit until 30th Aug, except that its according to the books version of events, and this could well just be another canon break be Reach :(

Infact im sure auntie dot states at the start of tip of the spear that orbital defence has been compromised by the advanced strike force associated with the spires, and thats well before Aug 30th. So yes canon break.

Big canon break - not only can Blue Team's mission no longer occur, but neither can Red Team's. Meaning that the end of Fall of Reach and parts of First Strike are now more wrecked for canon than I originally thought they were.


I agree with your explanation for the corvette shields being down, it seems to make more sense that they are down to deploy fighters/seraphs, than them just not having shields at all like i thought. It would explain exodus aswell, if the corvette had been deploying dropships and banshees believing all UNSC AA was offline.

I still dont agree with you about the SMAC though, i dont think you quite grasp the energies involved here with firing something massing 3000 tonnes @ 50% lightspeed. Ordnance such as that would not just overpenetrate anything, it wouldnt even stay as a solid mass as soon as it hit the upper atmosphere tbh, it would probably be instantly converted into a pure energy burst such as gamma rays and kill basically everything for hundreds of miles on the ground, as well as setting the atmosphere itself on fire with the pure power of the event. It would actually make a nuke look like a firecracker, infact. So i believe to turn around an SMAC cannon and fire it into the atmosphere would actually be suicide for ground forces, assuming the energy figures for an SMAC are accurate as stated. I wasnt kidding when i said go and look up 'kinetic bomb', the forces involved here are almost unimaginable. Infact ive always doubted that something the size and shape of the orbital platform Cairo could ever fire something like that at all, so i mentally called bs way back in halo 2 then just put it out of my mind and moved on lol.

However what we see in the cutscene is consistent with a frigate MC round, given the corvettes shields already being down, and a basic estimate of the rounds speed given the rough size of a corvette and its apparent altitude over sword base (~1KM?)

Infact id say the MAC as shown is still a bit too slow for a MAC round of any description, but ill put that down to artistic licence.

  • 11.09.2010 5:50 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by:privet caboose
But I'm surprised after 30 pages and 2+ months Bungie's yet to even comment on any of these errors.
You'd think they would, or at least I'd think so.

  • 11.09.2010 10:18 AM PDT
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It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by:privet caboose
But I'm surprised after 30 pages and 2+ months Bungie's yet to even comment on any of these errors.
You'd think they would, or at least I'd think so.
Why would/should they?

  • 11.09.2010 10:59 AM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by:privet caboose
But I'm surprised after 30 pages and 2+ months Bungie's yet to even comment on any of these errors.
You'd think they would, or at least I'd think so.
Why would/should they?

This, and I've never seen a moderator/ Bungie employee even post on these forums... And @Fatal, the MAC did look slow, but like you said, artistic license, unless the ship it was fired from fired a round at 1/2 speed to reduce the damage to the surrounding area?

  • 11.09.2010 11:14 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by:privet caboose
But I'm surprised after 30 pages and 2+ months Bungie's yet to even comment on any of these errors.
You'd think they would, or at least I'd think so.
Why would/should they?

This, and I've never seen a moderator/ Bungie employee even post on these forums... And @Fatal, the MAC did look slow, but like you said, artistic license, unless the ship it was fired from fired a round at 1/2 speed to reduce the damage to the surrounding area?
Not sure why I never thought of this. 30,000m/s is a maximum operating value for a shipboard MAC. If they wanted to, they could use such a small magnetic field that only accelerated it to 1000m/s.

Like the PoA's triple-burst MAC. If they wanted to, they could have fired in single rounds or 2-bursts. However, they chose to 3RB because it was the most effective they could use.

On that basis, if they wanted to, they could fire low-charge rounds, to reduce collateral damage.

But that brings us back to the shielding issue - how Corvettes, Navy ships of the line, were not issued with them. Yet 'Light Cruisers' (ships much smaller than a Corvette), a Stealth Corvette and even single-ship fighters were issued with energy shielding.

However, I am now positive that it was an SMAC shot - Kat says (in the elevator towards the end of SWORD base) "where's our orbital support? There must be four platforms nearby that could take this out in one shot."

It also speaks volumes about the fact that no SMAC platforms were capable of engaging the Supercarrier, since 4 ODPs can apparently target the same point on the ground with overlapping fields of fire.

ALSO: Check Snakie's thread on the Precursor and Flood - a mod called Lord Revan posts fairly frequently in there, but he's the only one I've ever seen in here.
Even Covenant Ministry of Tranquility vessels, those not designed for warfare, were equipped with energy shields.

[Edited on 11.09.2010 1:30 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2010 12:25 PM PDT

Actually the books in the series have nothing to do with the Halo video game franchise.

  • 11.09.2010 12:45 PM PDT

Oh hey there

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Posted by: ULTAMATE POWER
Actually the books in the series have nothing to do with the Halo video game franchise.

*sigh*
*Rubs eyes wearily and leaves the thread*

[Edited on 11.09.2010 1:06 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2010 1:06 PM PDT