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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: OrderedComa
How do you brake quotes into little manageable chunks like that?
There's no button to do it, you just put /quote tags at the end of a paragraph, and quote tags at the beginning of the next. When replying, quote my post, and you will see the quote and /quote tags liberally strung about.

I actually just finished reading it Thursday, and I didn't ever see anything in there that said it fell in 2 hours, the space battle was still going on when the Autumn left. I haven't read any of the other books yet, I'm working on the Flood currently.Well, RSO Fermion detects the Covenant Fleet at 0447. They are still in slipspace, and the battle won't start for a while yet. At 0637 hours, 117 and 58 are picked up by PoA. It is noted that the Covenant Fleet are 'mopping up' by destroying crippled UNSC vessels, and those still capable of fleeing are doing so. At 0647 hours, the PoA jumps to slipspace.
The battle actually lasted much less than two hours, probably closer to 60, 90 minutes.

Is it in one of the other books? I don't recall seeing that they can identify single Covenant ships anywhere in TFoR.Halfway down page 137, it states how the mass calculated by the slipspace probe from Sigma Octanus IV "did not match any known Covenant ship profiles".

How would space with about a gajillion Covie ships be safer than on the ground in a ship breaking yard in the middle of nowhere, and where it'd be easy to hide?Room to manoeuvre, evade, return fire with the main cannon, and also you could generally run, if you felt like it. Failing that, hide behind another planet.
Being on the ground at the Aszod breaking yards gave them none of these options. On the ground with engines cold, and their primary (and only effective) weapon would not have been able to hit a single target.
Pillar of Autumn is armed with many 50mm autocannons designed to take out enemy single ships. Shielded Seraphs and boarding craft. In the ending/credits cutscene, they look more like 250mm guns. Why did PoA not try and keep the pressure off you whilst on the gun, and destroy the Banshees and Seraphs themselves? Would have been far smarter, and also preserved some of the (presumably) few Mass Driver slugs for gutting the Cruiser.

That's an interesting theory, the TotS Zealot is the only other one in the game other than the guys on Winter Contingency if I remember correctly.I can't think of any others seen during the campaign - apparently, some people think that the left-handed Elite at the very end of Lone Wolf might be another Zealot. A Zealot also is actually seen, attempting to kill 6

[Edited on 11.15.2010 2:48 AM PST]

  • 11.15.2010 2:31 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Orphius_Rex
I'm going to go and replay this misson tonight, and have a look at that Corvette getting shot. People in this thread have theorised that the shields on the Corvette were down due to it needing to deploy Banshees and Phantoms etc, so it could have been taken out by something like the Grafton from Tip of The Spear.
There's a point, at no point in the game do we see Corvettes with shielding systems. The SAM battery on Exodus strikes bare hull on the Corvette, there is no obvious shielding on the SWORD Base Corvette when it is hit...
Why give Stealth Corvettes (with no known offensive weapons systems) and Ministry of Tranquility vessels shields, and yet not award them to close orbital support vessels, ships of the line designed for naval combat?
Ardent Prayer (LNoS) also has no evident shielding systems, as they are not triggered when fired upon.

So... why is this? And why the hell did Longswords (64m long ships designed to harass capital ships with fire, and armed with super-heavy missiles, 120mm ventral guns and a 110mm rotary barrelled gun) need to have a half dozen banshees and a phantom taken out when a short, sprayed burst from the 110 or a single heavy missile could have taken ALL of them out of the sky themselves?

(New post because it is a different point entirely)

  • 11.15.2010 2:39 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Orphius_Rex
I'm going to go and replay this misson tonight, and have a look at that Corvette getting shot. People in this thread have theorised that the shields on the Corvette were down due to it needing to deploy Banshees and Phantoms etc, so it could have been taken out by something like the Grafton from Tip of The Spear.
There's a point, at no point in the game do we see Corvettes with shielding systems. The SAM battery on Exodus strikes bare hull on the Corvette, there is no obvious shielding on the SWORD Base Corvette when it is hit...
Why give Stealth Corvettes (with no known offensive weapons systems) and Ministry of Tranquility vessels shields, and yet not award them to close orbital support vessels, ships of the line designed for naval combat?
Ardent Prayer (LNoS) also has no evident shielding systems, as they are not triggered when fired upon.

So... why is this? And why the hell did Longswords (64m long ships designed to harass capital ships with fire, and armed with super-heavy missiles, 120mm ventral guns and a 110mm rotary barrelled gun) need to have a half dozen banshees and a phantom taken out when a short, sprayed burst from the 110 or a single heavy missile could have taken ALL of them out of the sky themselves?

(New post because it is a different point entirely)


Not going to lie, ever since CE Longswords have been my favorite vehicle. I think the space mission would've been much better for everyone if we had been flying a vehicle that's been in every single game, yet we've never gotten a chance to fly it ourselves. The thing looks badass, has powerful weaponry, and I think it makes more sense that a ship with shielding(which contradicts everything we knew about UNSC ships.)


Also, I'm pretty sure the Corvette doesn't have shielding. But then again, in LnoS, it's constantly deploying elite drop pods, you can see them coming from the bottom of the ship. It's possible it released all unnecessary crew onto the planet, knowing it was surrounded.

  • 11.15.2010 4:21 AM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
The Pillar of Autumn is armed with many 50mm autocannons designed to take out enemy single ships. Shielded Seraphs and boarding craft. In the ending/credits cutscene, they look more like 250mm guns. Why did PoA not try and keep the pressure off you whilst on the gun, and destroy the Banshees and Seraphs themselves? Would have been far smarter, and also preserved some of the (presumably) few Mass Driver slugs for gutting the Cruiser.


See the "highlighted" bit. What was a Mass Driver doing in a shipwrecking yard anyway? Seems a bit convenient. Wouldn't it make more sense to be manning one of the Autumn's 50mm's or providing air support with a Longsword? Or even a Shortsword?

Although in The Cole Protocol Juliana explains that the Mass Drivers in the Rubble are used to shoot Slag/Usable Alloy rounds across the Rubble, controlled by Juliana herself. Hmmm.

  • 11.15.2010 9:08 AM PDT


Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
The Pillar of Autumn is armed with many 50mm autocannons designed to take out enemy single ships. Shielded Seraphs and boarding craft. In the ending/credits cutscene, they look more like 250mm guns. Why did PoA not try and keep the pressure off you whilst on the gun, and destroy the Banshees and Seraphs themselves? Would have been far smarter, and also preserved some of the (presumably) few Mass Driver slugs for gutting the Cruiser.


See the "highlighted" bit. What was a Mass Driver doing in a shipwrecking yard anyway? Seems a bit convenient. Wouldn't it make more sense to be manning one of the Autumn's 50mm's or providing air support with a Longsword? Or even a Shortsword?

Although in The Cole Protocol Juliana explains that the Mass Drivers in the Rubble are used to shoot Slag/Usable Alloy rounds across the Rubble, controlled by Juliana herself. Hmmm.


I believe it was stated in the game by one of the marines that the Mass Driver was set up to help defend the Autumn

I'm positive that the only reason they didn't have the Autumn's 50mm's was to make the game harder for the player. I'm sure if it had been a cutscene or something that the Autumn would have been helping to defend itself.

  • 11.15.2010 9:51 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
The Pillar of Autumn is armed with many 50mm autocannons designed to take out enemy single ships. Shielded Seraphs and boarding craft. In the ending/credits cutscene, they look more like 250mm guns. Why did PoA not try and keep the pressure off you whilst on the gun, and destroy the Banshees and Seraphs themselves? Would have been far smarter, and also preserved some of the (presumably) few Mass Driver slugs for gutting the Cruiser.


See the "highlighted" bit. What was a Mass Driver doing in a shipwrecking yard anyway? Seems a bit convenient. Wouldn't it make more sense to be manning one of the Autumn's 50mm's or providing air support with a Longsword? Or even a Shortsword?

Although in The Cole Protocol Juliana explains that the Mass Drivers in the Rubble are used to shoot Slag/Usable Alloy rounds across the Rubble, controlled by Juliana herself. Hmmm.
My guess is that Mass Driver slugs are used basically as wrecking balls, to shred sections of armour plate that are too large to remove, yet too badly damaged to salvage. Or to properly scrap ships, or to fire reactor components (although where too, I have no idea) safely during decommissioning.

One of the marines does say that they 'jury rigged a mass driver up top' for defence. Still does not explain why 40 guns of 50mm calibre designed for self defence (at least 15-20 of which were facing in the desired direction) were shut down and inactive.

  • 11.15.2010 9:57 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Orphius_Rex
I'm going to go and replay this misson tonight, and have a look at that Corvette getting shot. People in this thread have theorised that the shields on the Corvette were down due to it needing to deploy Banshees and Phantoms etc, so it could have been taken out by something like the Grafton from Tip of The Spear.
There's a point, at no point in the game do we see Corvettes with shielding systems. The SAM battery on Exodus strikes bare hull on the Corvette, there is no obvious shielding on the SWORD Base Corvette when it is hit...
Why give Stealth Corvettes (with no known offensive weapons systems) and Ministry of Tranquility vessels shields, and yet not award them to close orbital support vessels, ships of the line designed for naval combat?
Ardent Prayer (LNoS) also has no evident shielding systems, as they are not triggered when fired upon.

So... why is this? And why the hell did Longswords (64m long ships designed to harass capital ships with fire, and armed with super-heavy missiles, 120mm ventral guns and a 110mm rotary barrelled gun) need to have a half dozen banshees and a phantom taken out when a short, sprayed burst from the 110 or a single heavy missile could have taken ALL of them out of the sky themselves?

(New post because it is a different point entirely)


Not going to lie, ever since CE Longswords have been my favorite vehicle. I think the space mission would've been much better for everyone if we had been flying a vehicle that's been in every single game, yet we've never gotten a chance to fly it ourselves. The thing looks badass, has powerful weaponry, and I think it makes more sense that a ship with shielding(which contradicts everything we knew about UNSC ships.)


Also, I'm pretty sure the Corvette doesn't have shielding. But then again, in LnoS, it's constantly deploying elite drop pods, you can see them coming from the bottom of the ship. It's possible it released all unnecessary crew onto the planet, knowing it was surrounded.


Reach is basically where most of the R&D for the UNSC was done, before it fell anyway, that's why we have the AAs, that's why the Falcons are only in this game, and that's why the Sabres had shields, they're all experimental tech that was lost when Reach fell.

A Longsword would have been cool to use indeed, I'm not really that impressed with how it looks though, it looks rather like a modern day stealth bomber to me.

  • 11.15.2010 10:03 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Reach is basically where most of the R&D for the UNSC was done, before it fell anyway, that's why we have the AAs, that's why the Falcons are only in this game, and that's why the Sabres had shields, they're all experimental tech that was lost when Reach fell.

A Longsword would have been cool to use indeed, I'm not really that impressed with how it looks though, it looks rather like a modern day stealth bomber to me.
Why a whole new vehicle? Why not just call it a Sabre, but it actually is just a shielded Longsword? That would have pleased all the true fans, as they finally get their hands on one of the most powerful vehicles in the Haloverse.

I would love to have taken the rotary 110 to a Seraph, and pwned it. But no.

  • 11.15.2010 2:26 PM PDT

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When i first heard about space ship battles I thought i was going to see the Big MAcs in action and probably defending them from small covies warships in a longsword of some sort.

Or even a Pelican.

  • 11.15.2010 5:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: OrderedComa
Reach is basically where most of the R&D for the UNSC was done, before it fell anyway, that's why we have the AAs, that's why the Falcons are only in this game, and that's why the Sabres had shields, they're all experimental tech that was lost when Reach fell.

A Longsword would have been cool to use indeed, I'm not really that impressed with how it looks though, it looks rather like a modern day stealth bomber to me.
Why a whole new vehicle? Why not just call it a Sabre, but it actually is just a shielded Longsword? That would have pleased all the true fans, as they finally get their hands on one of the most powerful vehicles in the Haloverse.

I would love to have taken the rotary 110 to a Seraph, and pwned it. But no.


No true scotsman: 'Cause if you didn't demand a Longsword be playable in Reach, you're not a True Fan.

Longswords are declassified. Ergo, Six could not have had a backstory wherein he tested a secret super prototype.

  • 11.15.2010 6:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Orphius_Rex
I'm going to go and replay this misson tonight, and have a look at that Corvette getting shot. People in this thread have theorised that the shields on the Corvette were down due to it needing to deploy Banshees and Phantoms etc, so it could have been taken out by something like the Grafton from Tip of The Spear.
There's a point, at no point in the game do we see Corvettes with shielding systems. The SAM battery on Exodus strikes bare hull on the Corvette, there is no obvious shielding on the SWORD Base Corvette when it is hit...
Why give Stealth Corvettes (with no known offensive weapons systems) and Ministry of Tranquility vessels shields, and yet not award them to close orbital support vessels, ships of the line designed for naval combat?
Ardent Prayer (LNoS) also has no evident shielding systems, as they are not triggered when fired upon.

So... why is this? And why the hell did Longswords (64m long ships designed to harass capital ships with fire, and armed with super-heavy missiles, 120mm ventral guns and a 110mm rotary barrelled gun) need to have a half dozen banshees and a phantom taken out when a short, sprayed burst from the 110 or a single heavy missile could have taken ALL of them out of the sky themselves?

(New post because it is a different point entirely)


Not going to lie, ever since CE Longswords have been my favorite vehicle. I think the space mission would've been much better for everyone if we had been flying a vehicle that's been in every single game, yet we've never gotten a chance to fly it ourselves. The thing looks badass, has powerful weaponry, and I think it makes more sense that a ship with shielding(which contradicts everything we knew about UNSC ships.)


Also, I'm pretty sure the Corvette doesn't have shielding. But then again, in LnoS, it's constantly deploying elite drop pods, you can see them coming from the bottom of the ship. It's possible it released all unnecessary crew onto the planet, knowing it was surrounded.


No totally unnecessary, they knew already that the rest of the Covenant fleet was on their way, so they started the invation instead of waiting in space.

  • 11.15.2010 6:36 PM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: OrderedComa
Reach is basically where most of the R&D for the UNSC was done, before it fell anyway, that's why we have the AAs, that's why the Falcons are only in this game, and that's why the Sabres had shields, they're all experimental tech that was lost when Reach fell.

A Longsword would have been cool to use indeed, I'm not really that impressed with how it looks though, it looks rather like a modern day stealth bomber to me.
Why a whole new vehicle? Why not just call it a Sabre, but it actually is just a shielded Longsword? That would have pleased all the true fans, as they finally get their hands on one of the most powerful vehicles in the Haloverse.

I would love to have taken the rotary 110 to a Seraph, and pwned it. But no.


Easier to incorporate experimental shielding technology into a new vehicle than trying to incorporate it into an old vehicle maybe?

  • 11.15.2010 6:59 PM PDT

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I remember them saying somewhere that they wouldnt be follow the book canon 100% or something like that. Especially The Fall of Reach vs. Halo: Reach

  • 11.15.2010 8:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: thatguyaknow
I remember them saying somewhere that they wouldnt be follow the book canon 100% or something like that. Especially The Fall of Reach vs. Halo: Reach

Doesn't follow the book does not directly mean breaking canon, what they meant was that Halo Reach is not a direct re-tell of the story of The Fall of Reach. Bungie has not said anything with regards to the canon breaks Reach caused, before or after release. (as far as I know)

  • 11.15.2010 9:28 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: thatguyaknow
I remember them saying somewhere that they wouldnt be follow the book canon 100% or something like that. Especially The Fall of Reach vs. Halo: Reach


No, I watched every single interview that was ever put on the web about Halo: Reach, and the ONLY thing Bungie said was that; "Halo Reach does not follow the same story as The Fall of Reach. The events in the book still happen, they're just happening on a different part of the planet."

Welp, they lied. Kinda hard for the events in the book(Like the Mark V testing) to happen when The Covenant are invading the planet...

  • 11.16.2010 3:36 AM PDT

Let me put this to you all, I was just re-reading The Fall of Reach and they mention that Spartans can run at about 60kph. I can't recall any point in any of the Halo games which Master Chief could run that fast so everything is slightly wrong in one way or another. Lets just try and enjoy it as best we can :)

  • 11.17.2010 3:40 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: WoollyMonster
Let me put this to you all, I was just re-reading The Fall of Reach and they mention that Spartans can run at about 60kph. I can't recall any point in any of the Halo games which Master Chief could run that fast so everything is slightly wrong in one way or another. Lets just try and enjoy it as best we can :)


I dunno, chief ran pretty fast when that building where you killed Regret started getting glassed while he was still on it...

  • 11.17.2010 4:01 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

Riddle me these (as I have no answers)

Why were Anchor 9's defences down ?
Why did a top secret launch faciility have such weak defenses?
Why did no Pelican's / Falcon's deploy from the PoA to assist six in covering the PoA ?
Why did no SMACS try to hit the spires in TotS ?
Why do we see no Cobras, Vultures, Cyclops' etc ? despite being the biggest military planet ?
Why did no-one indentify the blood encrusted footprints left by Elites in the farmhouse (when you find 2 dead marines) on Winter Contingency ?

I ahve more "why" moments that I list later on

  • 11.17.2010 4:59 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Richomack360
Riddle me these (as I have no answers)

Why were Anchor 9's defences down ?
They could have been as unlucky as RSO Fermion was in TFOR - their science library (with masses of navigational data) was offline for repairs, and they only managed to shut it down by nuking the station with its own reactor.
I can't remember the speech from the Anchor 9 level, but its possible their weapons were undergoing diagnostics and maintenance when the Covenant attacked.
Why did a top secret launch faciility have such weak defenses? Not much you can do about an invasion when it comes straight down on top of you, inside your compound. Plus the LNoS had been wreaking 7 shades of havoc for the last 2 days, it's possible that the base's defences had been significantly reduced
Why did no Pelican's / Falcon's deploy from the PoA to assist six in covering the PoA ?Better question - why did none of the 50mm AA cannons on the PoA's hull take out the Phantoms and Banshees, allowing 6 to focus on the Cruiser?
Why did no SMACS try to hit the spires in TotS ? I think Bungie must have scrapped the existence of Reach's ODPs, there's certainly no use of them, ever. UNSC forces and civilians would not have been in danger, unless they insisted on an assault anyway.
Why do we see no Cobras, Vultures, Cyclops' etc ? despite being the biggest military planet ?All are very old vehicles, scrapped. Cyclopses are actually scrapped, MJOLNIR was their replacement. Cobras are possible too vulnerable, and Vultures too slow for combat operations against the Covenant.
Why did no-one indentify the blood encrusted footprints left by Elites in the farmhouse (when you find 2 dead marines) on Winter Contingency ?In fairness, they could have been left by Moa - the doors were open in that building. They should have thought they looked suspiciously large and reptilian, however.
Also, I think they were left by Skirmishers, not Elites. Elites only have 2 very wide toes - the footprints have 3 long, spindly toes.

I ahve more "why" moments that I list later onI eagerly await them.

[Edited on 11.17.2010 9:34 AM PST]

  • 11.17.2010 9:33 AM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I eagerly await them.


Some great answers on the previous questions, totally agree with the removal of the orbital defense stations. Rest of the answers did get me thinking - some nice work there

Here are a few more..

How did the Long Night of Solace not see the battle between the UNSC Savannah and the target corvette ? Yes, the comms were jammed, but you could physicaly see the dogfighting going on....surely ?

Why did Jorge disengage his re-entry pack when leaving the Sabre to oversee the transit of the slipspace bomb)

Upon seeing the mass build up of Covenant hardware at the end of "Nightfall" surely (if they existed) a massive SMAC bomabrdment would of solved the problem ?

The beloved SMAC's again.... - after seeing the LNoS decloak and butcher the UNSC Grafton why was no effort made by orbital defenses to rain down some heavy firepower on it ? By the time the LNoS decloaked and made it to orbit surely the UNSC would of tried to harass it ?

...actually, I have seem to run out...will come back with more ! I am asking these questions, not because I am trying to find fault with Reach, but because of the enjoyable discussion trying to answering them !

...one more thing - did anyone notice (on the mission LNoS) that there wasa global map on display in the Corvette. There were several clusters of yellow dots in orbit around Reach - were they possibly the oribital defense platforms ? Could it be that they were simply out of position, the UNSC expecting an assualt from another vector ?



[Edited on 11.18.2010 2:46 PM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 2:32 PM PDT

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So many issues could have been tidied up with the smallest thing; like a radio transmission. If we heard on a radio transmission that "Super MAC #15 is down" or "The Trafalgar is going down" or anything like that then we at least could imagine that the events of FoR and Halo Reach really were intertwined.

  • 11.18.2010 2:41 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
I eagerly await them.


Some great answers on the previous questions, totally agree with the removal of the orbital defense stations. Rest of the answers did get me thinking - some nice work there

Here are a few more..

How did the Long Night of Solace not see the battle between the UNSC Savannah and the target corvette ? Yes, the comms were jammed, but you could physicaly see the dogfighting going on....surely ?
Errr...

Well, being Elites, they probably decided that they would easily repel the incompetent humans. Especially when they saw the Savannah explode, they would not know that it had been infiltrated by human forces and taken over.

...actually, I have seem to run out...will come back with more ! I am asking these questions, not because I am trying to find fault with Reach, but because of the enjoyable discussion trying to answering them !

...one more thing - did anyone notice (on the mission LNoS) that there wasa global map on display in the Corvette. There were clusters of yellow dots in orbits - were they possibly the oribital defense platforms ? Could it be that they were simply out of position, the UNSC expecting an assualt from another vector ?
Do you remember how many there were, if they were clustered, and where they were positioned (spacing, not a location lol)?

From the fact that it is a yellow marker, I think it's just additional Covenant ships - probably the other Corvettes.
Rapid Conversion marked the SFTE drives with thruster pods hovering around the Tiara over Harvest as 'red triangles', and every other human vehicle we see on Covenant ships in Contact Harvest is displayed as a red triangle.
It is also said that 'kinetics won't register on [Covenant] scans', and that they can only speculate as to locations of missile platforms (said about the Tiara).
It is possible that the yellow markers are ODPs, and the Luminary does not know how to identify them. They are larger than most UNSC ships, are largely stationary, and seem to be holding fire. They are also solely kinetic weapon platforms, so the Luminary would hesitate to identify it as a contact.

  • 11.18.2010 2:44 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

It is unfortunate that Bungie chose they route they did when it comes to storyline. They could have easily stayed alongside previous canon but chose to create a story for the person who is just picking up Halo for the first time.


AKA: Not their dedicated fans.

  • 11.18.2010 2:51 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: flamedude
So many issues could have been tidied up with the smallest thing; like a radio transmission. If we heard on a radio transmission that "Super MAC #15 is down" or "The Trafalgar is going down" or anything like that then we at least could imagine that the events of FoR and Halo Reach really were intertwined.


Spot on, my thoughts exactly - but IF Bungie had included the SMAC's most of the story would not have happened, they would of mashed the corvette over Sword base, the ships over New Alexandria, the LNoS would have been toast the moment it decloaked. Seems they were kept out for the story's sake..

JDYeash937 MkII

Regarding the battle of Anchor 9 / LNoS

True, arrogance can play a major factor in things, but after receiving no comms messages from the Corvette (after the comms were jammed) and the fact that the comms would have been running again afer the destruction of the UNSC Savannah (source of the blocking transmissions) surely the Shipmaster on the LNoS would have put 2 and 2 together...just as well he didn't !

Regarding the yellow clustered dots:

Seeing as the Corvette and the LNoS were on their own and there were no yellow dots on the global map on their own, just a cluster of yellow dots, as well as there being no other Covie vessels in sight - leads me to believe that these may be UNSC related tags.

Yes, they should in theory be flashing red traingles and there is a red flashing square on the global map (could be the SMAC generator facility or Sword / Castle Base) but I just wonder if they were our only clue to the missing SMAC platforms?

(sorry about lack of quotations but the iPhone is being a pain...

[Edited on 11.18.2010 2:57 PM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 2:53 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: flamedude
So many issues could have been tidied up with the smallest thing; like a radio transmission. If we heard on a radio transmission that "Super MAC #15 is down" or "The Trafalgar is going down" or anything like that then we at least could imagine that the events of FoR and Halo Reach really were intertwined.


Spot on, my thoughts exactly - but IF Bungie had included the SMAC's most of the story would not have happened, they would of mashed the corvette over Sword base, the ships over New Alexandria, the LNoS would have been toast the moment it decloaked. Seems they were kept out for the story's sake..



Which, in my eyes, is still a slap in the face to actual fans who know the lore.

  • 11.18.2010 3:06 PM PDT