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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: flamedude
So many issues could have been tidied up with the smallest thing; like a radio transmission. If we heard on a radio transmission that "Super MAC #15 is down" or "The Trafalgar is going down" or anything like that then we at least could imagine that the events of FoR and Halo Reach really were intertwined.


Spot on, my thoughts exactly - but IF Bungie had included the SMAC's most of the story would not have happened, they would of mashed the corvette over Sword base, the ships over New Alexandria, the LNoS would have been toast the moment it decloaked. Seems they were kept out for the story's sake..



Which, in my eyes, is still a slap in the face to actual fans who know the lore.


Yes, I felt it was - the average fan would of known about SMAC's - how?.....Halo 2, Cairo Station

So saying the average gamer would of not know about SMAC platforms is sheer lunacy...they should of been in there...hearing the SMAC's fire in Halo2 was simply outstanding.

  • 11.18.2010 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: flamedude
So many issues could have been tidied up with the smallest thing; like a radio transmission. If we heard on a radio transmission that "Super MAC #15 is down" or "The Trafalgar is going down" or anything like that then we at least could imagine that the events of FoR and Halo Reach really were intertwined.


Spot on, my thoughts exactly - but IF Bungie had included the SMAC's most of the story would not have happened, they would of mashed the corvette over Sword base, the ships over New Alexandria, the LNoS would have been toast the moment it decloaked. Seems they were kept out for the story's sake..



Which, in my eyes, is still a slap in the face to actual fans who know the lore.


Yes, I felt it was - the average fan would of known about SMAC's - how?.....Halo 2, Cairo Station

So saying the average gamer would of not know about SMAC platforms is sheer lunacy...they should of been in there...hearing the SMAC's fire in Halo2 was simply outstanding.


Exactly.

Fighting on the Cairo and watching it fire in Halo 2 was amazing. It gave me a sense of knowing what was going on, what was at stake (with Earth right below me) and the scale of the battle.

Reach should have been that and more. I mean the game, not the battle, I know the battle for Earth took weeks.

But the one time where MAC stations are expected they are only mentioned by Kat in an elevator. And the sad part is you could tell her little talk of MAC platforms a half-assed attempt at pleasing the real fans because (as mentioned numerous times) once the Super Carrier uncloaked it would have been blasted to kingdom come by multiple platoforms.

And another thing that really annoys the hell out of me is the captions in the campaign. Especially LNoS it says, "Covenant occupied space". Uh hell no?

Reach was a cool campaign and whatnot, but it felt more of a campaign to save some other almost-as-important planet. Not Reach. In Reach, we should have seen guns blazing left and right, radio transmissions of the planet's downfall, cutscenes of massive orbital guns falling into the atmosphere, and the remains of the UNSC fleet.

But instead they chose to appeal to the "I have no damn idea what is going on" guy. The guy who has already stopped playing Reach and has no idea they even wrote books concerning the Halo Universe. That guy.

Which is almost insulting given the fact we were all thrust into this amazing Universe at the END of the war with Halo: CE. So many questions...

What is Reach?
Who is this glowing blue girl?
Why am I a walking tank?
What is this floating hoola-hoop?
What are these jellyfish?
Why are my men being mutated?
Why are the Covenant shooting at these green things?
What is that floating blue orb?
Why am I fighting for him?

That is the tip of the iceberg. Even with such a confusing storyline Halo: CE is the most loved Halo game among Halo fans and always will be. It was proof that we didn't need a storyline that was the same thing as a picture book - we had passed a high school reading level.

It was proof multiplayer could be both casual, fun, while at the same time the most competitive shooter the console has ever seen.

  • 11.18.2010 3:27 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: Viper Skills

Exactly.

Fighting on the Cairo and watching it fire in Halo 2 was amazing. It gave me a sense of knowing what was going on, what was at stake (with Earth right below me) and the scale of the battle.

Reach should have been that and more. I mean the game, not the battle, I know the battle for Earth took weeks.

But the one time where MAC stations are expected they are only mentioned by Kat in an elevator. And the sad part is you could tell her little talk of MAC platforms a half-assed attempt at pleasing the real fans because (as mentioned numerous times) once the Super Carrier uncloaked it would have been blasted to kingdom come by multiple platoforms.

And another thing that really annoys the hell out of me is the captions in the campaign. Especially LNoS it says, "Covenant occupied space". Uh hell no?

Reach was a cool campaign and whatnot, but it felt more of a campaign to save some other almost-as-important planet. Not Reach. In Reach, we should have seen guns blazing left and right, radio transmissions of the planet's downfall, cutscenes of massive orbital guns falling into the atmosphere, and the remains of the UNSC fleet.

But instead they chose to appeal to the "I have no damn idea what is going on" guy. The guy who has already stopped playing Reach and has no idea they even wrote books concerning the Halo Universe. That guy.

Which is almost insulting given the fact we were all thrust into this amazing Universe at the END of the war with Halo: CE. So many questions...

What is Reach?
Who is this glowing blue girl?
Why am I a walking tank?
What is this floating hoola-hoop?
What are these jellyfish?
Why are my men being mutated?
Why are the Covenant shooting at these green things?
What is that floating blue orb?
Why am I fighting for him?

That is the tip of the iceberg. Even with such a confusing storyline Halo: CE is the most loved Halo game among Halo fans and always will be. It was proof that we didn't need a storyline that was the same thing as a picture book - we had passed a high school reading level.

It was proof multiplayer could be both casual, fun, while at the same time the most competitive shooter the console has ever seen.


In a nutshell - yes.

I love Halo: Reach, campaign is a good blast - but it didn't feel like an epic struggle.

Ok, if Bungie had done a level in and around a SMAC station it may of played too similar to Cairo Station from H2, but it still would of been fun. Now, if they had produced a level featuring the Sabre flying in and around the SMAC's and the massive battle ensuing then you would have had a problem fitting into the campaign as we know it.

Where would you have put that level ? It would have to have gone in during the retake of the Sabre launchpads and before Jorge sacrificed himself, (as getting back into a Sabre after doing a few levels out of one would have ruined the unique feel of the level LNoS) but the timeline would of been too messed up (with the arrival of the Cov and UNSC fleets)

So it doesn't look like it could of been levered in some how.

Shame

  • 11.18.2010 3:39 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

The SMAC's would've still been in orbit on LNoS, yet we didn't see a single one.

  • 11.18.2010 3:40 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?


Posted by: privet caboose
The SMAC's would've still been in orbit on LNoS, yet we didn't see a single one.


True, I believe they were in orbit - but just reffered too by Kat, seen to have taken out a corvette over Sword Base and perhaps represented by the yellow dots on the map inside another corvette.

Seems to be everyone's biggest complaint is the lack of these super-weapons.

  • 11.18.2010 3:48 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I promise you, they would've of launched a SMAC at the ground. If the numbers from the Encyclopedia are to be trusted, than it would've been suicide to do that. Not only that, but the thing moves at nearly half the speed of light, we wouldn't of seen it hit the Corvette.

  • 11.18.2010 3:50 PM PDT
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Reach failed on so many levels that it's not even funny, it's embarrassing. But the biggest fail was the campaign. Week story that was unmemorable, only small skirmishes throughout, not the large epic battles of a doomed planet, playing as some dumb member of noble team instead of the Master Chief. The game is totally lacking in scope. Reach was thrown together just to cash in on the fans. I've never been so let down by a game like this ever. So sad, I was expecting more from a Halo game. The only thing epic about it was that it was an epic fail!

  • 11.18.2010 4:05 PM PDT

I'm sorry, this has probably been addressed, but wasn't it explained that valuable Spartan III's were transferred to other units before the suicide missions?

  • 11.19.2010 9:34 AM PDT

aman brother. too many errors. um but not all the 300 spartans died. 2 survived but they were on onyx and not noble team

  • 11.19.2010 7:15 PM PDT

and wtf. y dont we play as red team. i was disappointed. we could have went to see castle base and all that. and wtf is up with halsey, i thought she was supposed to be kinda hot and not like an old chick

  • 11.19.2010 7:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan Dew
and wtf. y dont we play as red team. i was disappointed. we could have went to see castle base and all that. and wtf is up with halsey, i thought she was supposed to be kinda hot and not like an old chick
Not really lol

  • 11.19.2010 7:55 PM PDT


Posted by: greatestSheriff

Posted by: Spartan Dew
and wtf. y dont we play as red team. i was disappointed. we could have went to see castle base and all that. and wtf is up with halsey, i thought she was supposed to be kinda hot and not like an old chick
Not really lol

um yeah she could look a little more hot

  • 11.19.2010 8:01 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Spartan Dew

Posted by: greatestSheriff

Posted by: Spartan Dew
and wtf. y dont we play as red team. i was disappointed. we could have went to see castle base and all that. and wtf is up with halsey, i thought she was supposed to be kinda hot and not like an old chick
Not really lol

um yeah she could look a little more hot


I'm pretty sure Halsey is atleast in her 60's...

  • 11.19.2010 8:12 PM PDT

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Just to say awesome post, I'll try to find some other inconsistencies for you to add.

  • 11.19.2010 8:26 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Spartan Dew

Posted by: greatestSheriff

Posted by: Spartan Dew
and wtf. y dont we play as red team. i was disappointed. we could have went to see castle base and all that. and wtf is up with halsey, i thought she was supposed to be kinda hot and not like an old chick
Not really lol

um yeah she could look a little more hot


I'm pretty sure Halsey is atleast in her 60's...

yeah i know but still. she didnt have to look like a -blam!-. she looks like ellen with longer hair

  • 11.19.2010 9:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: privet caboose
The SMAC's would've still been in orbit on LNoS, yet we didn't see a single one.


True, I believe they were in orbit - but just reffered too by Kat, seen to have taken out a corvette over Sword Base and perhaps represented by the yellow dots on the map inside another corvette.

Seems to be everyone's biggest complaint is the lack of these super-weapons.
well if i remember there were 27 smacs on reach, in LNOS Reach is massive, so chances are the 20 or so smacs were on the other side of reach, the very territory is were the advance party attacked reach, perhaps moving a smac from it's location on the other side of reach was to much and to suspicious for others considering ONI may have kept the covenant on reach quiet

  • 11.19.2010 9:19 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Alf stewert
considering ONI may have kept the covenant on reach quiet
Were they keeping the Covenant on Reach quiet before, during, or after all of the civilian evacuations from the major cities? I'm sure ONI just told the entire population of Reach that the Covenant wasn't invading and to ignore the Banshees (as they were obviously just weather balloons). I bet the entire population of Earth doesn't even know a war was being fought, much less the fact that Africa is gone because ONI is just that good.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 10:06 PM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 9:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: Richomack360

Posted by: flamedude
So many issues could have been tidied up with the smallest thing; like a radio transmission. If we heard on a radio transmission that "Super MAC #15 is down" or "The Trafalgar is going down" or anything like that then we at least could imagine that the events of FoR and Halo Reach really were intertwined.


Spot on, my thoughts exactly - but IF Bungie had included the SMAC's most of the story would not have happened, they would of mashed the corvette over Sword base, the ships over New Alexandria, the LNoS would have been toast the moment it decloaked. Seems they were kept out for the story's sake..



Which, in my eyes, is still a slap in the face to actual fans who know the lore.


Yes, I felt it was - the average fan would of known about SMAC's - how?.....Halo 2, Cairo Station

So saying the average gamer would of not know about SMAC platforms is sheer lunacy...they should of been in there...hearing the SMAC's fire in Halo2 was simply outstanding.


Yeah, but said average fan wouldn't get a good gist as to how effective the SMACs are based on the games alone. Yes Johnson tells us that it can shoot a round clean through a Covenant capital ship, yet for some odd reason they (you'd think that ever SMAC on that side of the planet would be firing as well) were incredibly inaccurate considering the UNSC fleet was being torn to shreds by a mere 15 ships, and the massive carriers broke through with ease.

  • 11.19.2010 9:55 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: SilentScorn
Reach failed on so many levels that it's not even funny, it's embarrassing. But the biggest fail was the campaign. Week story that was unmemorable, only small skirmishes throughout, not the large epic battles of a doomed planet, playing as some dumb member of noble team instead of the Master Chief. The game is totally lacking in scope. Reach was thrown together just to cash in on the fans. I've never been so let down by a game like this ever. So sad, I was expecting more from a Halo game. The only thing epic about it was that it was an epic fail!
Master Chief never fought on Reach during the Battle.

He fought on an orbital dock for about 20 minutes, then buggered off back to the Autumn, and went to slipspace.

  • 11.20.2010 1:39 AM PDT
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I completely agree with all that you said. I'm sure there's a dozen more errors or inaccuracies brought into the canon by Reach if we really try to look for it.

Like Dr. Halsey identifying the Spartan III's as Spartans even though the books state that she knows every Spartan II just by body language alone (leading one to the assumption that she was identifying the Spartan III's as either Spartan I's or Spartan III's, the latter of which she doesn't know about as of yet).

343 should make a game taking place during the fall of Reach in the book Fall of Reach with the Spartan II's, adding in material to tie the two together and try to brush over the inconsistent errors.

  • 11.20.2010 6:18 AM PDT

Just realized something. Earth in Halo 2 is said to have 300 Super MAC platforms.......................why does Reach only have 20? O.o

  • 11.20.2010 7:53 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Old Salty27
Just realized something. Earth in Halo 2 is said to have 300 Super MAC platforms.......................why does Reach only have 20? O.o


Once Reach fell the UNSC bolstered Earths defenses and built additional platforms

  • 11.20.2010 8:09 AM PDT

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Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: Child0fTheMind
I completely agree with all that you said. I'm sure there's a dozen more errors or inaccuracies brought into the canon by Reach if we really try to look for it.

Like Dr. Halsey identifying the Spartan III's as Spartans even though the books state that she knows every Spartan II just by body language alone (leading one to the assumption that she was identifying the Spartan III's as either Spartan I's or Spartan III's, the latter of which she doesn't know about as of yet).

343 should make a game taking place during the fall of Reach in the book Fall of Reach with the Spartan II's, adding in material to tie the two together and try to brush over the inconsistent errors.


The journal clarifies that Halsey recognizes the III's of Noble as not her Spartans. She knew they were Spartans in general however simply because they were wearing MJOLNIR, and only one type of soldier can use MJOLNIR armor.... I's obviously can't so that leaves only another II class or possibly beyond. Not that hard of a deduction really.

[Edited on 11.20.2010 12:20 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2010 12:19 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose




Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.

Sources:
- Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87.
- Halo Reach




Didn't something say "Spartans never die?"
In one of the trailers? Or something?

  • 11.21.2010 11:32 PM PDT

Okay okay okay let me fix this.

Carter, Jun and Emile survived operation: PROMETHEUS.
All SPARTAN-III Super Soldiers were NOT accounted for as KIA.
UNSC listed them as MIA.

Carter, Jun and Emile survived OR escaped. How? The Halo Universe is large and expansive, if you have find something that you want solved, solve it yourself. Yes it's fanfiction, but it fills a hole and is interesting to see everyone's take on things. Halo is a community now. Let the community make the story.

The Pillar of Autumn being on Reach is mearly there for game purposes. Same with Noble Six taking Cortana. It's there for the HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS of people that dont read the books to jizz all over themselves.

If you want to fix the canon, go ahead, show your take on it. Like I'm doing with my Machinima Series, Halo Legacy. However, to make sure I DON'T break the canon, I explore areas that have yet to be explored.

So, stop ranting, and take matters into your own hand.

  • 11.21.2010 11:47 PM PDT