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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

You don't kick a man when they're down, so don't teabag me when I'm dead!

For now I'm choosing to ignore Halo Reach in terms of canon, like I did with Halo Wars.
Ive accepted that the Halo canon will fade to the background as more profit-focused Halo games are made.

  • 01.26.2011 2:59 PM PDT

the comeback kid

they kinda messed up the canon, and yes they pissed a lot of us off, but what's done is done, so don't whine about it now, just hope the rest of the canon isn't screwed up anymore.

and Halo Wars story actually was isolated, so it didn't screw with the canon at all

  • 01.26.2011 5:56 PM PDT
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sorry if this necro, anyways i have just 2 things to say.

FIRST, game canon trump book canon, games came first so they trump all secondary mediums from other sources.

TWO, book are very very easily retconned,

  • 01.31.2011 8:36 AM PDT

Just because its in the game doesn't make it canon. If everything they ever put in a game is canon then Johnson would be dead after CE due to the legendary ending. Plus Game beats books, and don't say that bungie said that there the same without a link to proof

EDIT: sorry, meant to quote a guy on the 1st page, the one who complained about the chief easter egg

[Edited on 01.31.2011 1:15 PM PST]

  • 01.31.2011 1:13 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Another thing is the power of the MAC cannons. When the orbital defense destroys the Corvette over Sword Base it should have obliterated it and much of the ground below it. I really don't understand why Bungie couldn't have shown us the awesome power of the MAC.

Not only that but the space battle was kind of lame. Granted it was a fresh gameplay style, but I was expecting something more along the lines of dozens of frigates and maybe a few Halcyons against a wave of Covenant ships. And of course, MAC round firing. (Plus we should have been flying a Longsword)

  • 02.01.2011 8:21 AM PDT

The fudge is Halo canon?

  • 02.01.2011 2:59 PM PDT

Posted by: xSavi0rzx
The fudge is Halo canon?
A tangled and broken mess.

  • 02.01.2011 6:20 PM PDT

Yes, I'm a furry. And yes, I like men. So what?

Film/Game Canon > Book Canon

This has been set for decades, people.

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure there was a rough explanation on the Reach forum that made all of it make sense.

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A lot of you people stating Halo Reach is a canon breaking are speaking rubbish... I can give you an explanation for most the major canon "screw ups".
Starting with the original post:
That Reach fell in one day: That maybe simply stating that its defenses fell on that one day, all previous battles are simply Covenant incursions. The Covenant then proceeded to glass most of the planet not glassed at the time. Also bear in mind Noble Six dies on that day. 24th July is the Oni Sword Base Attack.
Alpha Company was wiped out and Carter, Emile and Jun.
Yes it is true that it was wiped out but that doesnt mean more soldiers cant be added into the company. Also when stating attack forces it does not include the forces of the company that were not attacking, saying they were effectively wiped out
is correct but other forces on other deployments or in training do not count.
Nav Base Data
The UNSC fleet was still arriving at Reach at the time, and since it was the biggest colony with the best defences besides Earth it fair to assume that they simply thought the planet cannot fall, thus not requiring purging of NAV bases. The planet is often compared to the Titanic, which was thought to be unsinkable. And bear in mind the Cole Protocol dictates purging is only necessary if the Covenant board or attack the base or ship, thus the fleet does not need to purge its NAV Bases. Also, the Cole Protocol was created to prevent the Covenant from finding the main inner colonies and Earth, so if they found Reach the Cole protocol is effectively useless. Also bear in mind that the people in this universe want to live, so they may have kept NAV data for their own escape like the POA.

Lack of Orbital Macs: As you know the OM's destroyed the Corvette in Reach, and werent present for the Super Carrier Long Night of Solace either A.They were on the other side of the planet, or had the generators disabled. A lot of Seraphs and Drop Ships can be seen flying at the start of Long Night of Solace, most likely going for the generators.
B. They were destroyed. Its a super carrier for gods sake!

Pillar of Autumn Screw Up: Bear in mind there is nothing wrong with the Pillar of Autumn being on the ground, as 117 was in a space station. Red Team later went down to Castle Base, and he and Cortana were then picked up from the space station. Perfectly feasible. Also bear in mind that the cutscene of arriving at halo occurs on September the 17th, giving the POA plenty of time to pick up the Chief, even if they didnt they will still make it to Halo probably only a few hours earlier.


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1: phantoms use spotlights- even though they have so much high tech they should see everything: THE ROOKIE IS ALSO WEARING HIGH TECH ARMOR, SO THERMAL IMAGING AND OTHER TECH WOULD BE USELESS. LIGHT NEVER FAILS HOWEVER. ALSO THE TRAILER IS NON CANON MEANT TO GIVE AN INSIGHT INTO THE GAME, AND THE PHANTOM SIMPLY SIGNIFIES THAT THE ROOKIE HAS TO AVOID ENEMIES.

2: the covenant tech not being 5969490000x more powerfull due to possesing forerunner tech for thousands of years
SIMPLE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A MODERN DAY EXAMPLE: THE COVENANT WERE ONLY ABLE TO CROSS PURPOSE SOME OF THE TECH, AT MUCH LOWER POWER LEVELS THAN THE FORERUNNERS. THATS WHY PLASMA RIFLES FIR PLASMA, NOT LIGHT. ALSO, IMAGINE YOU WERE LIVING IN THE 2000 BCE PERIOD AND YOU CAME ACROSS A COMPUTER. YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. MOST PEOPLE WOULD EVEN STRUGGLE TO DO IT TODAY, SINCE TECH IS TOO ADVANCED FOR MANY PEOPLE TO EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.

3: that earth seems to be entirely american
MAYBE BECAUSE AMERICA IS WHAT EVERY COUNTRY STRIVES TO BECOME, ITS NOT SUPRISING THE A CITY WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN FACT I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE ADVANCED. ALSO ITS AN AMERICAN GAME...

4: humans speaking different languages
ENGLISH IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BECOME HUMANITY'S PRIMARY LANGUAGE, IT FACT ITS THE MOST WIDELY SPOKEN TODAY, JUST SINCE CHINESE HAS MANY VARIANTS. ALSO, IN HALO 2 OUTSKIRTS THERE ARE ANNOUNCERS SPEAKING IN SOME OTHER LANGUAGE, NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE SOME AFRICAN LANGUAGE.

5: humans should have some sort of walhack type thing
? LOL IF WE COULD DO THAT THE COVENANT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM :)

6: that stealth is part of the game when there should be technologie preventing this
NO MATTER HOW ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY GETS THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY AROUND IT, AND CONSIDERING THE FACT ITS 500 YEARS IN THE FUTURE IM SURE THEY COULD GET AROUND IT. IN FACT SCIENTISTS TODAY KNOW HOW TO MAKE SOMETHING INVISIBLE TO ALL TYPES OF INFARED RADIATION INCLUDING LIGHT, BUT THE TECH IS NOT THERE YET.

7: that weaponry constantly changes even though it should have been perfected by both sides centurys ago
TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS IMPROVES, AND SO WILL THE TOOLS THEY USE WITH THEM. WEAPONARY CHANGING:
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


Halo Legends and Other
Btw to clear this up Halo Legends was made by jap studios, obviously not caring for the canon as much as bungie. I agree with what you say about Halo legends, and add the fact the when the commander says "if you take too long we will have to blow up the fleet, which is weird because there was only 1 UNSC ship present against an entire Covenant Fleet, and with the "KILL DEATH RATIO of Covenant ships to the UNSC fleet, it practically unfeasible for them to destroy the fleet. Also, the package Noble Six takes to the Autumn is not Cortana, its simply a minute fraction of her with the data.

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CoD is a good game, even if the Halo series are better in some aspects. Anyone who insults either is just bad in that game. Grow up.


Posted by: Halo Fan Forever
A lot of you people stating Halo Reach is a canon breaking are speaking rubbish... I can give you an explanation for most the major canon "screw ups".
Starting with the original post:
That Reach fell in one day: That maybe simply stating that its defenses fell on that one day, all previous battles are simply Covenant incursions. The Covenant then proceeded to glass most of the planet not glassed at the time. Also bear in mind Noble Six dies on that day. 24th July is the Oni Sword Base Attack.
Alpha Company was wiped out and Carter, Emile and Jun.
Yes it is true that it was wiped out but that doesnt mean more soldiers cant be added into the company. Also when stating attack forces it does not include the forces of the company that were not attacking, saying they were effectively wiped out
is correct but other forces on other deployments or in training do not count.
Nav Base Data
The UNSC fleet was still arriving at Reach at the time, and since it was the biggest colony with the best defences besides Earth it fair to assume that they simply thought the planet cannot fall, thus not requiring purging of NAV bases. The planet is often compared to the Titanic, which was thought to be unsinkable. And bear in mind the Cole Protocol dictates purging is only necessary if the Covenant board or attack the base or ship, thus the fleet does not need to purge its NAV Bases. Also, the Cole Protocol was created to prevent the Covenant from finding the main inner colonies and Earth, so if they found Reach the Cole protocol is effectively useless. Also bear in mind that the people in this universe want to live, so they may have kept NAV data for their own escape like the POA.

Lack of Orbital Macs: As you know the OM's destroyed the Corvette in Reach, and werent present for the Super Carrier Long Night of Solace either A.They were on the other side of the planet, or had the generators disabled. A lot of Seraphs and Drop Ships can be seen flying at the start of Long Night of Solace, most likely going for the generators.
B. They were destroyed. Its a super carrier for gods sake!

Pillar of Autumn Screw Up: Bear in mind there is nothing wrong with the Pillar of Autumn being on the ground, as 117 was in a space station. Red Team later went down to Castle Base, and he and Cortana were then picked up from the space station. Perfectly feasible. Also bear in mind that the cutscene of arriving at halo occurs on September the 17th, giving the POA plenty of time to pick up the Chief, even if they didnt they will still make it to Halo probably only a few hours earlier.


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1: phantoms use spotlights- even though they have so much high tech they should see everything: THE ROOKIE IS ALSO WEARING HIGH TECH ARMOR, SO THERMAL IMAGING AND OTHER TECH WOULD BE USELESS. LIGHT NEVER FAILS HOWEVER. ALSO THE TRAILER IS NON CANON MEANT TO GIVE AN INSIGHT INTO THE GAME, AND THE PHANTOM SIMPLY SIGNIFIES THAT THE ROOKIE HAS TO AVOID ENEMIES.

2: the covenant tech not being 5969490000x more powerfull due to possesing forerunner tech for thousands of years
SIMPLE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A MODERN DAY EXAMPLE: THE COVENANT WERE ONLY ABLE TO CROSS PURPOSE SOME OF THE TECH, AT MUCH LOWER POWER LEVELS THAN THE FORERUNNERS. THATS WHY PLASMA RIFLES FIR PLASMA, NOT LIGHT. ALSO, IMAGINE YOU WERE LIVING IN THE 2000 BCE PERIOD AND YOU CAME ACROSS A COMPUTER. YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. MOST PEOPLE WOULD EVEN STRUGGLE TO DO IT TODAY, SINCE TECH IS TOO ADVANCED FOR MANY PEOPLE TO EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.

3: that earth seems to be entirely american
MAYBE BECAUSE AMERICA IS WHAT EVERY COUNTRY STRIVES TO BECOME, ITS NOT SUPRISING THE A CITY WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN FACT I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE ADVANCED. ALSO ITS AN AMERICAN GAME...

4: humans speaking different languages
ENGLISH IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BECOME HUMANITY'S PRIMARY LANGUAGE, IT FACT ITS THE MOST WIDELY SPOKEN TODAY, JUST SINCE CHINESE HAS MANY VARIANTS. ALSO, IN HALO 2 OUTSKIRTS THERE ARE ANNOUNCERS SPEAKING IN SOME OTHER LANGUAGE, NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE SOME AFRICAN LANGUAGE.

5: humans should have some sort of walhack type thing
? LOL IF WE COULD DO THAT THE COVENANT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM :)

6: that stealth is part of the game when there should be technologie preventing this
NO MATTER HOW ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY GETS THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY AROUND IT, AND CONSIDERING THE FACT ITS 500 YEARS IN THE FUTURE IM SURE THEY COULD GET AROUND IT. IN FACT SCIENTISTS TODAY KNOW HOW TO MAKE SOMETHING INVISIBLE TO ALL TYPES OF INFARED RADIATION INCLUDING LIGHT, BUT THE TECH IS NOT THERE YET.

7: that weaponry constantly changes even though it should have been perfected by both sides centurys ago
TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS IMPROVES, AND SO WILL THE TOOLS THEY USE WITH THEM. WEAPONARY CHANGING:
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


Halo Legends and Other
Btw to clear this up Halo Legends was made by jap studios, obviously not caring for the canon as much as bungie. I agree with what you say about Halo legends, and add the fact the when the commander says "if you take too long we will have to blow up the fleet, which is weird because there was only 1 UNSC ship present against an entire Covenant Fleet, and with the "KILL DEATH RATIO of Covenant ships to the UNSC fleet, it practically unfeasible for them to destroy the fleet. Also, the package Noble Six takes to the Autumn is not Cortana, its simply a minute fraction of her with the data.

OMG, this gave me a good laugh. Aside from mentioning points already said about a thousand times, the speculation was simply hilarious.

You countered some of that other guys' points, but to be honest they weren't very good ones to start with. Don't start patting yourself on the back...

Some of the suggestions you made only furthers the cause for this thread, for example, your option B for the absence of SMACs. That would mean that the SMACs are not present during the final battle as described in TFoR. Think your own arguments through before posting them...

Honestly if you take the time to look through this thread you will see that most of your counter points have also been nullified, and there are still more unresolved conflicts. On top of all that, Reach's Campaign pulled a MW2; they are supposed to look good when u play them, but they don't make sense. Except Reach didn't even look all that good because it was so small-scale. For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.

I find this funny, one of the biggest problems we have right now is that there are ignorant people speaking on both sides of this argument.

  • 02.01.2011 8:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Halo Fan Forever
A lot of you people stating Halo Reach is a canon breaking are speaking rubbish... I can give you an explanation for most the major canon "screw ups".
Starting with the original post:
That Reach fell in one day: That maybe simply stating that its defenses fell on that one day, all previous battles are simply Covenant incursions. The Covenant then proceeded to glass most of the planet not glassed at the time. Also bear in mind Noble Six dies on that day. 24th July is the Oni Sword Base Attack.
Alpha Company was wiped out and Carter, Emile and Jun.
Yes it is true that it was wiped out but that doesnt mean more soldiers cant be added into the company. Also when stating attack forces it does not include the forces of the company that were not attacking, saying they were effectively wiped out
is correct but other forces on other deployments or in training do not count.
Nav Base Data
The UNSC fleet was still arriving at Reach at the time, and since it was the biggest colony with the best defences besides Earth it fair to assume that they simply thought the planet cannot fall, thus not requiring purging of NAV bases. The planet is often compared to the Titanic, which was thought to be unsinkable. And bear in mind the Cole Protocol dictates purging is only necessary if the Covenant board or attack the base or ship, thus the fleet does not need to purge its NAV Bases. Also, the Cole Protocol was created to prevent the Covenant from finding the main inner colonies and Earth, so if they found Reach the Cole protocol is effectively useless. Also bear in mind that the people in this universe want to live, so they may have kept NAV data for their own escape like the POA.

Lack of Orbital Macs: As you know the OM's destroyed the Corvette in Reach, and werent present for the Super Carrier Long Night of Solace either A.They were on the other side of the planet, or had the generators disabled. A lot of Seraphs and Drop Ships can be seen flying at the start of Long Night of Solace, most likely going for the generators.
B. They were destroyed. Its a super carrier for gods sake!

Pillar of Autumn Screw Up: Bear in mind there is nothing wrong with the Pillar of Autumn being on the ground, as 117 was in a space station. Red Team later went down to Castle Base, and he and Cortana were then picked up from the space station. Perfectly feasible. Also bear in mind that the cutscene of arriving at halo occurs on September the 17th, giving the POA plenty of time to pick up the Chief, even if they didnt they will still make it to Halo probably only a few hours earlier.


jack254 | Absent Member

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1: phantoms use spotlights- even though they have so much high tech they should see everything: THE ROOKIE IS ALSO WEARING HIGH TECH ARMOR, SO THERMAL IMAGING AND OTHER TECH WOULD BE USELESS. LIGHT NEVER FAILS HOWEVER. ALSO THE TRAILER IS NON CANON MEANT TO GIVE AN INSIGHT INTO THE GAME, AND THE PHANTOM SIMPLY SIGNIFIES THAT THE ROOKIE HAS TO AVOID ENEMIES.

2: the covenant tech not being 5969490000x more powerfull due to possesing forerunner tech for thousands of years
SIMPLE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A MODERN DAY EXAMPLE: THE COVENANT WERE ONLY ABLE TO CROSS PURPOSE SOME OF THE TECH, AT MUCH LOWER POWER LEVELS THAN THE FORERUNNERS. THATS WHY PLASMA RIFLES FIR PLASMA, NOT LIGHT. ALSO, IMAGINE YOU WERE LIVING IN THE 2000 BCE PERIOD AND YOU CAME ACROSS A COMPUTER. YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. MOST PEOPLE WOULD EVEN STRUGGLE TO DO IT TODAY, SINCE TECH IS TOO ADVANCED FOR MANY PEOPLE TO EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.

3: that earth seems to be entirely american
MAYBE BECAUSE AMERICA IS WHAT EVERY COUNTRY STRIVES TO BECOME, ITS NOT SUPRISING THE A CITY WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN FACT I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE ADVANCED. ALSO ITS AN AMERICAN GAME...

4: humans speaking different languages
ENGLISH IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BECOME HUMANITY'S PRIMARY LANGUAGE, IT FACT ITS THE MOST WIDELY SPOKEN TODAY, JUST SINCE CHINESE HAS MANY VARIANTS. ALSO, IN HALO 2 OUTSKIRTS THERE ARE ANNOUNCERS SPEAKING IN SOME OTHER LANGUAGE, NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE SOME AFRICAN LANGUAGE.

5: humans should have some sort of walhack type thing
? LOL IF WE COULD DO THAT THE COVENANT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM :)

6: that stealth is part of the game when there should be technologie preventing this
NO MATTER HOW ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY GETS THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY AROUND IT, AND CONSIDERING THE FACT ITS 500 YEARS IN THE FUTURE IM SURE THEY COULD GET AROUND IT. IN FACT SCIENTISTS TODAY KNOW HOW TO MAKE SOMETHING INVISIBLE TO ALL TYPES OF INFARED RADIATION INCLUDING LIGHT, BUT THE TECH IS NOT THERE YET.

7: that weaponry constantly changes even though it should have been perfected by both sides centurys ago
TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS IMPROVES, AND SO WILL THE TOOLS THEY USE WITH THEM. WEAPONARY CHANGING:
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


Halo Legends and Other
Btw to clear this up Halo Legends was made by jap studios, obviously not caring for the canon as much as bungie. I agree with what you say about Halo legends, and add the fact the when the commander says "if you take too long we will have to blow up the fleet, which is weird because there was only 1 UNSC ship present against an entire Covenant Fleet, and with the "KILL DEATH RATIO of Covenant ships to the UNSC fleet, it practically unfeasible for them to destroy the fleet. Also, the package Noble Six takes to the Autumn is not Cortana, its simply a minute fraction of her with the data.

OMG, this gave me a good laugh. Aside from mentioning points already said about a thousand times, the speculation was simply hilarious.

You countered some of that other guys' points, but to be honest they weren't very good ones to start with. Don't start patting yourself on the back...

Some of the suggestions you made only furthers the cause for this thread, for example, your option B for the absence of SMACs. That would mean that the SMACs are not present during the final battle as described in TFoR. Think your own arguments through before posting them...

Honestly if you take the time to look through this thread you will see that most of your counter points have also been nullified, and there are still more unresolved conflicts. On top of all that, Reach's Campaign pulled a MW2; they are supposed to look good when u play them, but they don't make sense. Except Reach didn't even look all that good because it was so small-scale. For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.

I find this funny, one of the biggest problems we have right now is that there are ignorant people speaking on both sides of this argument.


STFU and tell the fudge is a HALO CANON!!?!?

It's also funny how one single Super Carrier is able to hide and cause a lot of damage on a Planet like Reach, pretty self explanatory based on the type of planet it was. However, Regret's carrier is overwhelmed and they run away? Sure it's Earth but Reach was more heavily defended, that I know!

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CoD is a good game, even if the Halo series are better in some aspects. Anyone who insults either is just bad in that game. Grow up.

Don't know if I'm being trolled...

This is canon
Halo canon is basically the established lore that has been officially confirmed to be within the halo series.

  • 02.01.2011 11:10 PM PDT

my 2 cents is that reach does change some things from the canon. however the only thing it has a major effect on is the last few chapters of The Fall of Reach witch to be honest i can live with because the most important part of that book remains completely intact. i will admit however that it is odd that any number of cove ships could be on reach without the UNSC fleet noticing them so that is a bit of a stretch. Reach also does change some things about the Spartan III program but i see those changes as minor. also i dont see how reach has any effect on first strike. like i said the only thing it has a huge effect on is the last part of The Fall of Reach.

[Edited on 02.01.2011 11:42 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2011 11:35 PM PDT

"It is the cruelest fate, to have written words that meant well and see them made wicked and unwise. What was meant to encourage life, used instead to justify taking it."

Bungie said that this is what they wanted Halo to become. They made the Canon, so they decide where they take the Canon. If we can't be happy with where Bungie took Halo... we probably don't deserve to play Halo: Reach.

WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!

  • 02.02.2011 9:16 AM PDT

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Now this man has done his homework. I congratulate you on your knowledge of the halo universe outside of the games. And a very interesting post to read.

  • 02.02.2011 9:28 AM PDT

all these people saying there true fans if you were true fans you would be fine with knowing on how it all fits from halseys journal to the rewritted books to perhaps the Halo reach comic book series which will cover the covenant side and POA side.

  • 02.02.2011 12:54 PM PDT
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I respect your opinion, I'm probably just going to disagree with it.

Ugh, I cannot express how disappointing I found the Reach campaign. It was awful. It made no sense, to me as a Halo fanboy OR to any newcomer, completely contradicted all of the previously established canon, despite the fact that they said many times that readers of the books would appreciate the campaign. HURK. It would have been so EASY to make something that interfaced with the book. The major, and biggest failing of the campaign though, is that I wanted to see the fall of the Spartans. That's what the Fall of Reach means to any fan, and yet we get given some crap side story about an ultimately unimportant team of conveniently made up Spartans.

They are SIII's. So top secret that not even the mainstream UNSC know about them, yet they romp about quite happily on Reach, in full view.

We saw no SII's at all, aside from Jorge. Disappointing.

Also, why the hell would Cortana have all that Forerunner information? If she already had it, she wouldn't have dumped the information from Halo's core into herself and started her early regression into rampancy - another key part of everything.

  • 02.02.2011 2:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Alf stewert
all these people saying there true fans if you were true fans you would be fine with knowing on how it all fits from halseys journal to the rewritted books to perhaps the Halo reach comic book series which will cover the covenant side and POA side.
So, apparently we're not "true" fans because we don't blindly accept everything the developer says? Because we get insulted by terrible retcons and call them out on it? I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather be a rational human being who thinks for themselves, instead of some mindless sheep like you seem to be.

And I am most certainly NOT picking up any more material in this universe. For all I know, they're going to make another game that contradicts even more of it.


AND FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, please finish grade 2! It is extremely hard to understand just what the hell you're saying with such terrible grammar and paragraph-long sentences!

[Edited on 02.02.2011 3:18 PM PST]

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CoD is a good game, even if the Halo series are better in some aspects. Anyone who insults either is just bad in that game. Grow up.


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Alf stewert
all these people saying there true fans if you were true fans you would be fine with knowing on how it all fits from halseys journal to the rewritted books to perhaps the Halo reach comic book series which will cover the covenant side and POA side.
So, apparently we're not "true" fans because we don't blindly accept everything the developer says? Because we get insulted by terrible retcons and call them out on it? I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather be a rational human being who thinks for themselves, instead of some mindless sheep like you seem to be.

And I am most certainly NOT picking up any more material in this universe. For all I know, they're going to make another game that contradicts even more of it.


AND FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, please finish grade 2! It is extremely hard to understand just what the hell you're saying with such terrible grammar and paragraph-long sentences!

I concur. I will not be a mindless and ignorant sheep, and Bungie has a long way to go to re-earn their reputation.

Ps. It's funny, he called me out on not spacing out my paragraphs in a post once. How ironic.

  • 02.02.2011 3:44 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Alf stewert
all these people saying there true fans if you were true fans you would be fine with knowing on how it all fits from halseys journal to the rewritted books to perhaps the Halo reach comic book series which will cover the covenant side and POA side.
So, apparently we're not "true" fans because we don't blindly accept everything the developer says? Because we get insulted by terrible retcons and call them out on it? I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather be a rational human being who thinks for themselves, instead of some mindless sheep like you seem to be.

And I am most certainly NOT picking up any more material in this universe. For all I know, they're going to make another game that contradicts even more of it.


AND FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, please finish grade 2! It is extremely hard to understand just what the hell you're saying with such terrible grammar and paragraph-long sentences!
if I am not a rational human being then why is this world Full of lost heart and soul? why is it that John lennon is Killed in our world but a man snuffed on drugs, and violence and murder continues to live? ( this is out of halo context but I am showing I do think for myself) and the grammer part well horrid keyboard and stuffy computer

  • 02.02.2011 9:47 PM PDT

AFK: Away from Kontroller. Don't do it or you'll get the living crap smacked out of you by the Banhammer. If you disagree with any of this, you are just bad at Mortal Kombat.

I wonder which universe has more plot holes; Halo or Mega Man? Right now, they both have a significant amount of plot holes.

[Edited on 02.02.2011 10:19 PM PST]

  • 02.02.2011 10:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Alf stewert
all these people saying there true fans if you were true fans you would be fine with knowing on how it all fits from halseys journal to the rewritted books to perhaps the Halo reach comic book series which will cover the covenant side and POA side.
So, apparently we're not "true" fans because we don't blindly accept everything the developer says? Because we get insulted by terrible retcons and call them out on it? I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather be a rational human being who thinks for themselves, instead of some mindless sheep like you seem to be.

And I am most certainly NOT picking up any more material in this universe. For all I know, they're going to make another game that contradicts even more of it.


AND FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, please finish grade 2! It is extremely hard to understand just what the hell you're saying with such terrible grammar and paragraph-long sentences!
if I am not a rational human being then why is this world Full of lost heart and soul? why is it that John lennon is Killed in our world but a man snuffed on drugs, and violence and murder continues to live? ( this is out of halo context but I am showing I do think for myself) and the grammer part well horrid keyboard and stuffy computer
That's...what? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish here. How is claiming you are a mindless sheep lead onto a "life is not fair" discourse? That isn't thinking, that's trying to completely change the topic. Or, failing that, it shows you don't think clearly.

As for the keyboard bit, unless you're typing this on an iPod, it really is not that hard to adapt to a keyboard. I've gone through multiple laptops without much problem.

  • 02.03.2011 2:05 PM PDT


Posted by: DngerlyAwkwrd
Bungie said that this is what they wanted Halo to become. They made the Canon, so they decide where they take the Canon. If we can't be happy with where Bungie took Halo... we probably don't deserve to play Halo: Reach.

WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!


If this is what they wanted the Canon to become, then I'm glad it never came to be.

  • 02.03.2011 2:16 PM PDT

"The Emperor Protects"
"Suffer Not To Let The Unclean Live"

i had a problem with some of this too but i read that Kurt pulled some people from the SPARTAN-III companies before the ops and gave them mjonor armor

  • 02.03.2011 3:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe
For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.


Reminds me, I read that elsewhere but entirely agree with it. Not only you'd HAVE to notice a freaking 27 km camoed ship, but since Reach happens before every other Halo game, why didn't Truth cammoed his ship when getting to Earth or something? The fact that it was never used after kind of make it all the more dumb. It's a great tactical tool, why wasn't it never used later? As seen in Reach, it proved to be VERY useful.

  • 02.03.2011 4:13 PM PDT