Posted by: Beowolfe
Posted by: Halo Fan Forever
A lot of you people stating Halo Reach is a canon breaking are speaking rubbish... I can give you an explanation for most the major canon "screw ups".
Starting with the original post:
That Reach fell in one day: That maybe simply stating that its defenses fell on that one day, all previous battles are simply Covenant incursions. The Covenant then proceeded to glass most of the planet not glassed at the time. Also bear in mind Noble Six dies on that day. 24th July is the Oni Sword Base Attack.
Alpha Company was wiped out and Carter, Emile and Jun.
Yes it is true that it was wiped out but that doesnt mean more soldiers cant be added into the company. Also when stating attack forces it does not include the forces of the company that were not attacking, saying they were effectively wiped out
is correct but other forces on other deployments or in training do not count.
Nav Base Data
The UNSC fleet was still arriving at Reach at the time, and since it was the biggest colony with the best defences besides Earth it fair to assume that they simply thought the planet cannot fall, thus not requiring purging of NAV bases. The planet is often compared to the Titanic, which was thought to be unsinkable. And bear in mind the Cole Protocol dictates purging is only necessary if the Covenant board or attack the base or ship, thus the fleet does not need to purge its NAV Bases. Also, the Cole Protocol was created to prevent the Covenant from finding the main inner colonies and Earth, so if they found Reach the Cole protocol is effectively useless. Also bear in mind that the people in this universe want to live, so they may have kept NAV data for their own escape like the POA.
Lack of Orbital Macs: As you know the OM's destroyed the Corvette in Reach, and werent present for the Super Carrier Long Night of Solace either A.They were on the other side of the planet, or had the generators disabled. A lot of Seraphs and Drop Ships can be seen flying at the start of Long Night of Solace, most likely going for the generators.
B. They were destroyed. Its a super carrier for gods sake!
Pillar of Autumn Screw Up: Bear in mind there is nothing wrong with the Pillar of Autumn being on the ground, as 117 was in a space station. Red Team later went down to Castle Base, and he and Cortana were then picked up from the space station. Perfectly feasible. Also bear in mind that the cutscene of arriving at halo occurs on September the 17th, giving the POA plenty of time to pick up the Chief, even if they didnt they will still make it to Halo probably only a few hours earlier.
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1: phantoms use spotlights- even though they have so much high tech they should see everything: THE ROOKIE IS ALSO WEARING HIGH TECH ARMOR, SO THERMAL IMAGING AND OTHER TECH WOULD BE USELESS. LIGHT NEVER FAILS HOWEVER. ALSO THE TRAILER IS NON CANON MEANT TO GIVE AN INSIGHT INTO THE GAME, AND THE PHANTOM SIMPLY SIGNIFIES THAT THE ROOKIE HAS TO AVOID ENEMIES.
2: the covenant tech not being 5969490000x more powerfull due to possesing forerunner tech for thousands of years
SIMPLE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A MODERN DAY EXAMPLE: THE COVENANT WERE ONLY ABLE TO CROSS PURPOSE SOME OF THE TECH, AT MUCH LOWER POWER LEVELS THAN THE FORERUNNERS. THATS WHY PLASMA RIFLES FIR PLASMA, NOT LIGHT. ALSO, IMAGINE YOU WERE LIVING IN THE 2000 BCE PERIOD AND YOU CAME ACROSS A COMPUTER. YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. MOST PEOPLE WOULD EVEN STRUGGLE TO DO IT TODAY, SINCE TECH IS TOO ADVANCED FOR MANY PEOPLE TO EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.
3: that earth seems to be entirely american
MAYBE BECAUSE AMERICA IS WHAT EVERY COUNTRY STRIVES TO BECOME, ITS NOT SUPRISING THE A CITY WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN FACT I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE ADVANCED. ALSO ITS AN AMERICAN GAME...
4: humans speaking different languages
ENGLISH IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BECOME HUMANITY'S PRIMARY LANGUAGE, IT FACT ITS THE MOST WIDELY SPOKEN TODAY, JUST SINCE CHINESE HAS MANY VARIANTS. ALSO, IN HALO 2 OUTSKIRTS THERE ARE ANNOUNCERS SPEAKING IN SOME OTHER LANGUAGE, NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE SOME AFRICAN LANGUAGE.
5: humans should have some sort of walhack type thing
? LOL IF WE COULD DO THAT THE COVENANT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM :)
6: that stealth is part of the game when there should be technologie preventing this
NO MATTER HOW ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY GETS THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY AROUND IT, AND CONSIDERING THE FACT ITS 500 YEARS IN THE FUTURE IM SURE THEY COULD GET AROUND IT. IN FACT SCIENTISTS TODAY KNOW HOW TO MAKE SOMETHING INVISIBLE TO ALL TYPES OF INFARED RADIATION INCLUDING LIGHT, BUT THE TECH IS NOT THERE YET.
7: that weaponry constantly changes even though it should have been perfected by both sides centurys ago
TECHNOLOGY ALWAYS IMPROVES, AND SO WILL THE TOOLS THEY USE WITH THEM. WEAPONARY CHANGING:
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
Halo Legends and Other
Btw to clear this up Halo Legends was made by jap studios, obviously not caring for the canon as much as bungie. I agree with what you say about Halo legends, and add the fact the when the commander says "if you take too long we will have to blow up the fleet, which is weird because there was only 1 UNSC ship present against an entire Covenant Fleet, and with the "KILL DEATH RATIO of Covenant ships to the UNSC fleet, it practically unfeasible for them to destroy the fleet. Also, the package Noble Six takes to the Autumn is not Cortana, its simply a minute fraction of her with the data.
OMG, this gave me a good laugh. Aside from mentioning points already said about a thousand times, the speculation was simply hilarious.
You countered some of that other guys' points, but to be honest they weren't very good ones to start with. Don't start patting yourself on the back...
Some of the suggestions you made only furthers the cause for this thread, for example, your option B for the absence of SMACs. That would mean that the SMACs are not present during the final battle as described in TFoR. Think your own arguments through before posting them...
Honestly if you take the time to look through this thread you will see that most of your counter points have also been nullified, and there are still more unresolved conflicts. On top of all that, Reach's Campaign pulled a MW2; they are supposed to look good when u play them, but they don't make sense. Except Reach didn't even look all that good because it was so small-scale. For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.
I find this funny, one of the biggest problems we have right now is that there are ignorant people speaking on both sides of this argument.
STFU and tell the fudge is a HALO CANON!!?!?
It's also funny how one single Super Carrier is able to hide and cause a lot of damage on a Planet like Reach, pretty self explanatory based on the type of planet it was. However, Regret's carrier is overwhelmed and they run away? Sure it's Earth but Reach was more heavily defended, that I know!