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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: Evil Johnny

Posted by: Beowolfe
For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.


Reminds me, I read that elsewhere but entirely agree with it. Not only you'd HAVE to notice a freaking 27 km camoed ship, but since Reach happens before every other Halo game, why didn't Truth cammoed his ship when getting to Earth or something? The fact that it was never used after kind of make it all the more dumb. It's a great tactical tool, why wasn't it never used later? As seen in Reach, it proved to be VERY useful.


We don't know how the Super Carrier actually got onto Reach undetected, it could have had camo, it could not have, the camo we saw in Tip of the Spear was from the Spires, when one of them was destroyed by Grafton, the cloaking field collapsed and revealed the ship. If the ship itself has active camo then I would assume it is something the Covenant haven't been able to replicate on a large scale for large cruisers, or the technology is not cost efficient and they have better things to spend their resources on.

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ok lets get one thing strate i dont liketo be called nooby beacuse im not and im male not female just fyi and i dont like chicken fat

sooo bunjie can make some errors but theres nothing to complain about but there is always that damn lag that bugs me and its uesfull to me as sometimes but there is ultra lag its a lag were a guy is shooting another guy and you get hit with a bullet and on the bottom it says GFHGFGHF betrayed u and you know its a damn lag

  • 02.03.2011 4:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: BERZERKER101
sooo bunjie can make some errors but theres nothing to complain about but there is always that damn lag that bugs me and its uesfull to me as sometimes but there is ultra lag its a lag were a guy is shooting another guy and you get hit with a bullet and on the bottom it says GFHGFGHF betrayed u and you know its a damn lag
The hell?

  • 02.03.2011 4:59 PM PDT


Posted by: BERZERKER101
sooo bunjie can make some errors but theres nothing to complain about but there is always that damn lag that bugs me and its uesfull to me as sometimes but there is ultra lag its a lag were a guy is shooting another guy and you get hit with a bullet and on the bottom it says GFHGFGHF betrayed u and you know its a damn lag


I believe you are in the wrong thread my friend. We are discussing the story of Halo: Reach, not the gameplay of it.

  • 02.03.2011 5:35 PM PDT

I'm a Halo Historian. I think the back story is more interesting than the game, so, thank you Bungie.




Error: Lack of Orbital MAC's.

Proof: Reach had a number of Orbital MAC's that were used in the battle of Reach. They were present on August 30th, so they should have been present during the mission "Long Night of Solace" in Halo: Reach. Had they been present, they Jorge wouldn't have died. Where were they?

Source: Fall of Reach, First Strike, Halo: Reach

There were MAC cannons on reach its just that they have to be charged up bfore being effectively used. I believe they reference this in First Strike when Earth is getting ready for a possible attack.




Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.

Proof During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened.


The spartan in the cryo pod may not have been Master Cheif but actually Linda after their orbital misson.

This is as much as i can offer up.

  • 02.03.2011 7:08 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: MC25cool

There were MAC cannons on reach its just that they have to be charged up bfore being effectively used. I believe they reference this in First Strike when Earth is getting ready for a possible attack.


No, they don't need to be "charged up."


The spartan in the cryo pod may not have been Master Cheif but actually Linda after their orbital misson.

It's been confirmed in an interview with GameInformer(I believe that's what it was.)that the spartan was indeed Chief.

  • 02.03.2011 7:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Evil Johnny

Posted by: Beowolfe
For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.


Reminds me, I read that elsewhere but entirely agree with it. Not only you'd HAVE to notice a freaking 27 km camoed ship, but since Reach happens before every other Halo game, why didn't Truth cammoed his ship when getting to Earth or something? The fact that it was never used after kind of make it all the more dumb. It's a great tactical tool, why wasn't it never used later? As seen in Reach, it proved to be VERY useful.


Truth never needed to. Plus I don't think you can camo a Forunner ship, or the Covenant simply didn't know how, besides it was a giant fuel source for high-charity.

  • 02.03.2011 8:35 PM PDT

Posted by: privet cabooseTo be fair, caboose, I'm pretty sure that the Chief in the cry pod was just an easter egg. It doesn't make any sense for him to be in it at that point, or the pod in the hangar. Not that the rest of the game makes sense, mind you, but still.

  • 02.03.2011 8:55 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: privet cabooseTo be fair, caboose, I'm pretty sure that the Chief in the cry pod was just an easter egg. It doesn't make any sense for him to be in it at that point, or the pod in the hangar. Not that the rest of the game makes sense, mind you, but still.


I agree, it's just an easter egg, it serves the same level of canon as the Grunts and Brute holding the dance party in the night club on the New Alexandria level, though it is of more significance since it is a Spartan after-all and can be taken to be Chief if you are so inclined, if it was of any canon significance though it would probably be Linda.

  • 02.04.2011 3:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: privet cabooseTo be fair, caboose, I'm pretty sure that the Chief in the cry pod was just an easter egg. It doesn't make any sense for him to be in it at that point, or the pod in the hangar. Not that the rest of the game makes sense, mind you, but still.


I agree, it's just an easter egg, it serves the same level of canon as the Grunts and Brute holding the dance party in the night club on the New Alexandria level, though it is of more significance since it is a Spartan after-all and can be taken to be Chief if you are so inclined, if it was of any canon significance though it would probably be Linda.


Still doesn't explain where MC is during the mission PoA if he happens to have been picked up by the PoA prior to its landing...

  • 02.04.2011 4:06 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Alf stewert
all these people saying there true fans if you were true fans you would be fine with knowing on how it all fits from halseys journal to the rewritted books to perhaps the Halo reach comic book series which will cover the covenant side and POA side.
So, apparently we're not "true" fans because we don't blindly accept everything the developer says? Because we get insulted by terrible retcons and call them out on it? I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather be a rational human being who thinks for themselves, instead of some mindless sheep like you seem to be.

And I am most certainly NOT picking up any more material in this universe. For all I know, they're going to make another game that contradicts even more of it.


AND FOR GOD'S SAKE MAN, please finish grade 2! It is extremely hard to understand just what the hell you're saying with such terrible grammar and paragraph-long sentences!
if I am not a rational human being then why is this world Full of lost heart and soul? why is it that John lennon is Killed in our world but a man snuffed on drugs, and violence and murder continues to live? ( this is out of halo context but I am showing I do think for myself) and the grammer part well horrid keyboard and stuffy computer
That's...what? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish here. How is claiming you are a mindless sheep lead onto a "life is not fair" discourse? That isn't thinking, that's trying to completely change the topic. Or, failing that, it shows you don't think clearly.

As for the keyboard bit, unless you're typing this on an iPod, it really is not that hard to adapt to a keyboard. I've gone through multiple laptops without much problem.
very bad keyboard and the things i think about arae things most people dont understand, or dont want to understand

  • 02.04.2011 4:29 PM PDT

@ Beowolfe - that is entirely correct. We have absolutely no idea what John was doing the entire time.



Posted by: Alf stewert
very bad keyboard
Even netbooks aren't that bad. lrn2spellcheck.
and the things i think about arae things most people dont understand, or dont want to understandIt really isn't healthy to constantly be on ecstasy. You really should see a therapist or something. And judging by your trains of thought, I don't think I want to understand what you're thinking about either.

  • 02.04.2011 10:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: privet cabooseTo be fair, caboose, I'm pretty sure that the Chief in the cry pod was just an easter egg. It doesn't make any sense for him to be in it at that point, or the pod in the hangar. Not that the rest of the game makes sense, mind you, but still.


I agree, it's just an easter egg, it serves the same level of canon as the Grunts and Brute holding the dance party in the night club on the New Alexandria level, though it is of more significance since it is a Spartan after-all and can be taken to be Chief if you are so inclined, if it was of any canon significance though it would probably be Linda.


Still doesn't explain where MC is during the mission PoA if he happens to have been picked up by the PoA prior to its landing...


It doesn't have to explain where he is or what he's doing at that point because it's not his story. It would have been nice if they had given him a role in the story, but they didn't have to, it's a story about Noble Team, and Chief does not figure into their story.

  • 02.05.2011 9:39 AM PDT

An interesting thing I noticed as I read "Fall of Reach" again.
The PoA was low on ammo and the MAC gun had been disabled. In the beginning of Halo CE, the MAC gun is used to destroy at least 4 covenant ships. I believe that it is possible that the PoA landed on Reach to replenish its ammo and to repair the MAC gun.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: privet cabooseTo be fair, caboose, I'm pretty sure that the Chief in the cry pod was just an easter egg. It doesn't make any sense for him to be in it at that point, or the pod in the hangar. Not that the rest of the game makes sense, mind you, but still.


I agree, it's just an easter egg, it serves the same level of canon as the Grunts and Brute holding the dance party in the night club on the New Alexandria level, though it is of more significance since it is a Spartan after-all and can be taken to be Chief if you are so inclined, if it was of any canon significance though it would probably be Linda.


Still doesn't explain where MC is during the mission PoA if he happens to have been picked up by the PoA prior to its landing...


It doesn't have to explain where he is or what he's doing at that point because it's not his story. It would have been nice if they had given him a role in the story, but they didn't have to, it's a story about Noble Team, and Chief does not figure into their story.


And you still don't get it. I mentioned this point pretty much from the beginning, and yet you still don't understand its significance. The point is not whether it's his story or not, it's the fact that this is an event that involves EVERYONE in the story, and from what we know, added with common sense, then it just looks retarded that the Chief did not become involved with the last mission, if he was in fact extracted before hand. He definitely didn't get picked up after as the PoA jumped as soon as it cleared the planet.

Let's look at this. If MC is picked up prior to the last mission ( the PoA, not lone wolf cuz that doesn't really count)
Why didn't he participate at all? If the Onager was so important, why were there no defenses? Instead, Emile and 6 had to fight through an army of covenant soldiers before they get to the area. So why wasn't MC sent down to secure the area before hand? I mean, if you're going to send the Captain of the ship to pick up the package, why wouldn't you make sure it's safe? 3 Spartans is better than 2 Spartans in my book.

  • 02.05.2011 11:32 AM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: OrderedComa
It doesn't have to explain where he is or what he's doing at that point because it's not his story. It would have been nice if they had given him a role in the story, but they didn't have to, it's a story about Noble Team, and Chief does not figure into their story.


And you still don't get it. I mentioned this point pretty much from the beginning, and yet you still don't understand its significance. The point is not whether it's his story or not, it's the fact that this is an event that involves EVERYONE in the story, and from what we know, added with common sense, then it just looks retarded that the Chief did not become involved with the last mission, if he was in fact extracted before hand. He definitely didn't get picked up after as the PoA jumped as soon as it cleared the planet.

Let's look at this. If MC is picked up prior to the last mission ( the PoA, not lone wolf cuz that doesn't really count)
Why didn't he participate at all? If the Onager was so important, why were there no defenses? Instead, Emile and 6 had to fight through an army of covenant soldiers before they get to the area. So why wasn't MC sent down to secure the area before hand? I mean, if you're going to send the Captain of the ship to pick up the package, why wouldn't you make sure it's safe? 3 Spartans is better than 2 Spartans in my book.



I have never heard the term "Onager" before, do you mean Cortana, or do you mean something else?
If you're talking about Cortana, then there was no time to gather a defense force to escort the Package, Reach was dying by that time and if they waited for more forces there wouldn't be any time left. Did you not notice the battle going on beneath the Autumn? It is not improbable that Chief was sent down there to keep the Covenant back on that front, also, we did not ever see what was going on on the other side of the Autumn, my point is that Chief does not have to be at the LZ, he could be at any point along the defenses already and be en-route back to the Autumn, and quite frankly I don't give a damn because I am not so critical of a story that I have to have every single little detail laid out or else it sucks. The area already was secure, the Covenant started pushing in again once Emile and Six arrived at the LZ.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Onager is the name for the mac cannon protecting the PoA

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Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: OrderedComa
It doesn't have to explain where he is or what he's doing at that point because it's not his story. It would have been nice if they had given him a role in the story, but they didn't have to, it's a story about Noble Team, and Chief does not figure into their story.


And you still don't get it. I mentioned this point pretty much from the beginning, and yet you still don't understand its significance. The point is not whether it's his story or not, it's the fact that this is an event that involves EVERYONE in the story, and from what we know, added with common sense, then it just looks retarded that the Chief did not become involved with the last mission, if he was in fact extracted before hand. He definitely didn't get picked up after as the PoA jumped as soon as it cleared the planet.

Let's look at this. If MC is picked up prior to the last mission ( the PoA, not lone wolf cuz that doesn't really count)
Why didn't he participate at all? If the Onager was so important, why were there no defenses? Instead, Emile and 6 had to fight through an army of covenant soldiers before they get to the area. So why wasn't MC sent down to secure the area before hand? I mean, if you're going to send the Captain of the ship to pick up the package, why wouldn't you make sure it's safe? 3 Spartans is better than 2 Spartans in my book.



I have never heard the term "Onager" before, do you mean Cortana, or do you mean something else?
If you're talking about Cortana, then there was no time to gather a defense force to escort the Package, Reach was dying by that time and if they waited for more forces there wouldn't be any time left. Did you not notice the battle going on beneath the Autumn? It is not improbable that Chief was sent down there to keep the Covenant back on that front, also, we did not ever see what was going on on the other side of the Autumn, my point is that Chief does not have to be at the LZ, he could be at any point along the defenses already and be en-route back to the Autumn, and quite frankly I don't give a damn because I am not so critical of a story that I have to have every single little detail laid out or else it sucks. The area already was secure, the Covenant started pushing in again once Emile and Six arrived at the LZ.

The Onager is the mass driver...read up before you post. The battles on the ground could easily be handled by other forces, do you forget that there were pelicans and tanks and warthogs on board of the PoA? Hell, they even had Long Swords...this is besides the point...Cortana was the highest priority at that time, and the more defense the better, so why would you keep MC away, especially if the Captain himself was going to be there? The area was not secure if it can get run over by the covenant so god damn easily. I don't even recall that many marines there, if there were any.

It's not the fact that I need to know every little thing, but rather that by logic this new canon would definitely cross path with the old, and yet Bungie decided to just ignore that flat out.

  • 02.05.2011 3:27 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Evil Johnny
Posted by: Beowolfe
For example, a 27km ship enters orbit of the most heavily defended planet under UNSC control, and is able to stay hidden so long that they had time to construct those spires and start raiding parties, not to mention it wasn't alone; those corvettes were also with it. And ALL this time the UNSC didn't notice ANYTHING. That's retarded.


Reminds me, I read that elsewhere but entirely agree with it. Not only you'd HAVE to notice a freaking 27 km camoed ship, but since Reach happens before every other Halo game, why didn't Truth cammoed his ship when getting to Earth or something? The fact that it was never used after kind of make it all the more dumb. It's a great tactical tool, why wasn't it never used later? As seen in Reach, it proved to be VERY useful.


We don't know how the Super Carrier actually got onto Reach undetected, it could have had camo, it could not have, the camo we saw in Tip of the Spear was from the Spires, when one of them was destroyed by Grafton, the cloaking field collapsed and revealed the ship. If the ship itself has active camo then I would assume it is something the Covenant haven't been able to replicate on a large scale for large cruisers, or the technology is not cost efficient and they have better things to spend their resources on.


Active camouflage systems produce a lot of heat, a Marine with infared goggles could have seen the Long Night of Solace a mile away.

  • 02.05.2011 5:57 PM PDT

Ignorance is Bliss...Sometimes

Eh whatever

  • 02.05.2011 6:06 PM PDT

There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.

This guys got his head screwed on:

I'm gonna settle this for everybody.

"Reach wasn't invaded until August 30, 2552! Where's the Cole Protocol?!"

Winter Contingency was declared, which put the Cole Protocol on hold until it had to be put into action. They couldn't risk losing all the data they had on Reach so soon.

What happened from July 23rd - August 29 can best be explained from a quote from Signs:

"They send out a scouting force, to check things out. [To] make sure everything's A-OK,"
"For what?"
"...For the rest of them,"

ONI kept things quiet. They only invaded a certain area of Reach. On 8/30/2552, they attacked the entire planet with full forces.

"How do they have MJOLNIR Mk. V if nobody got it until August 26?!"

Listen, Noble Team was an elite fighting force. ONI gave them the best weaponry and equipment possible.

"What's MJOLNIR Mk. VI doing in the armory?!"

Relax. It's only a prototype.

"Alpha Company was wiped out in Operation Prometheus! What's up with Carter, Emile, and Jun?!"

Carter (along with Kat, for the record) was pulled out of Alpha Company and put into a SIII group called Blue Team. Jun and Emile were probably pulled out too, like Jorge was pulled out of the SIIs.

"Where were the SMACs?!"

They could have had a cloaking system. They've been fighting the Covenant for 27 years. I think that gave them some time to reverse engineer ship-designed cloaking devices. Who knows what ONI was capable of?

And the biggest whine of them all...

"The Pillar of Autumn couldn't be on Reach!"

How could a huge ship like that dock? Simple. If you saw WALL-E, you would know it could have docked similarly to the Axiom did at the end of the movie.

And here's what happened if you connect The Fall of Reach with Halo: Reach:

1. The Pillar of Autumn heads to the rally point to assist UNSC forces.
2. Captain Keyes drops off John-117, Kelly, and James to the station to destroy the data on the UNSC Circumfrence.
3. After all is said and done, they set a slipspace route.
4. Dr. Halsey sends a distress call to Keyes to recieve the Package (Cortana's clone). The Pillar of Autumn docks and recieves repairs while awaiting the Package's arrival.
5. Noble Six gives Keyes the Package. The Pillar of Autumn launches.
6. They head into a "random" Slipspace route set by Cortana (plus the data recieved from the Package)
7. 15 days later on September 14, 2552, the Pillar of Autumn finds Alpha Halo, aka Installation 04.


We can plot a single line of continuity from point A to point B. The point that Keyes would turn the PoA around to help Dr. Halsey is only reinforced by the inferred relationship between the two in the Legendary Journal. The SMAC's where thinly spread to cover the entirety of a planet- it could have been within the realms of possibility that debris, positioning or cloaking technology prevented us physically seeing a SMAC.

There are indescrepancies in every canon- but we have a single line of continuity. We just got to deal with it with discussions, like this, that clear these issues up.

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Awesome thread.

  • 02.05.2011 6:44 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
@ Beowolfe - that is entirely correct. We have absolutely no idea what John was doing the entire time.



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  • 02.05.2011 6:44 PM PDT

Wow I never realized that there were this many, errors. And the birthdate one, how could Bungie have been that careless? Oh yeah I remember they rushed Reach, and only wanted the money.

  • 02.05.2011 6:53 PM PDT