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Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted By:chickenlittle
Wait, what? You are implying that any random UNSC Captain could have pulled of the Keyes Loop? Keyes was the top of his class, near the top of the UNSC in terms of navigation. If he had been a single degree off of his calculations, the Iroquois would have been torn in half. And that maneuver was done without an AI. And the UNSC is virtually always dominated. Every single victory save that initial fight with the Keyes Loop required minimum 3-1 odds for the UNSC for a fair fight, and that was their first major victory in years. If that doesn't indicate the UNSC was dominated in space, I'm not sure what will.
No, no, no, you got it all wrong, I know Keyes is special, and I'm saying anyone could pull off the Keyes Loop. You brought up the using Covenant's plasma against them, and I was saying anyone could pull that off, not just anyone could pull off the Keyes Loop.That would involve a captain or AI being able to evade the plasma torpedo in the first place, which was only possible because Keyes accelerated at full speed using gravity's help, so they didn't have time to change course of the torpedoes in time.
That was not the first major victory in years either, the UNSC won the Battles of Harvest, I'd call kicking the Covenant's collective butts off of Harvest at least twice victories.Harvest fell in 2524. The subsequent retaking of it was less than years years after. The battle at Sigma Octanus was in 2552, decades later. Quoted directly from the novel, "That's the reason we're here. We need a victory. It's been too damn long - us getting whittled to pieces by those alien bastards. So this has [i]got to be a win. No matter what it takes.[/i]"(Admiral Stanforth, page 160, TFoR). This single-handedly indicates the UNSC has been battered repeatedly over the years.
The Corvettes don't have shields, that appears true. Which is pretty damn stupid. They have shields for every other capital ship. They have shields for their single craft(Seraphs). Why not for a minor capital ship? Also, "for gameplay simplicity" is not a valid excuse for something that important missing.
Gameplay simplicity is a completely valid excuse, it's one less thing to animate in, and having to dodge huge streams of plasma that would kill you in a single hit would make the gameplay way too hard. Especially if both ships were broadsiding each other. The capitol ships in Battlefront II don't fight you either, probably for the same reasons.
Again, "because gameplay durrrr" is not a valid excuse. It excludes the game from having to make any sense. For example, the Pelicans in Combat Evolved didn't use turrets. Why? Because the ammunition store had been destroyed. And the capital ships in Battlefront II do attack you. I have been blown out of space multitudes of times by both the corvettes and main ship, until I destroyed its turrets.
If it had full supplies, including fuel, it would not need to refuel at the carrier in the middle of a pseudo-invasion. UNSC ships use nuclear fusion reactors that are rarely, if ever, refueled. The Covenant base their technology off of Forerunner tech, which is millenia ahead of humanity. Based on this, if the ships were in good order, there would be no need for refueling. As for the stations, how would it be immobile? Anything can get through Slipspace if it gets fast enough; asteroids have done so. What about High Charity? It slipped right above Delta Halo, and it was many times the size of Unyielding Heirophant, which was sitting a few systems over from Sol with a massive invasion fleet.
We still don't know how everything on the Covenant ships work, and refueling does not necessarily mean that it's replenishing the fuel supply for its engines, could be refueling anything, or maybe the Corvettes in Reach do run through fuel faster than other ships in the Covenant fleet, there could be any number of reasons for why it would need refueling.OK. An undamaged, perfectly intact Covenant corvette. The smallest known capital ship in the Covenant fleet, uses fuel faster than any other ship in their arsenal, despite the fact that it is a fraction of their size. Makes perfect sense. For sanity's sake, I think we'll have to call this one a draw. There is no way for us to know for sure either way.
I don't think speed really has anything to do with transitioning into Slipspace, yes, the asteroids have gotten into Slipspace before, but it never says how they get in there. And I never said that space stations couldn't get into Slipspace, I said I don't think they have the means to do so on their own like a ship. The only space station like structure in the Haloverse that can get into and out of Slipspace on its own was the UNSC's hospital ship in GoO. I think the Unyielding Heirophant was assembled where the fleet was, I don't think it warped there. And High Charity is different, it's in the same sort of vein as the Death Star, minus the super-weapon aspect, it's supposed to be fully mobile.Both High Charity and Unyielding Heirophant had Slipspace drives, which is the entire reason they were able to get from place to place. It would be extremely implausible for High Charity to require the tiny-by-comparison cruisers and carriers to move it, and Unyielding Heirophant was a fraction of its size.