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Posted by: Fearing
Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here. Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.
Regardless of these errors, did you still find the game enjoyable?Not particularly. It was a boring plot without anything spectacular, while the gameplay was jerky.
Or do you just look for all the flaws and inconsistencies in games. Once the big ones jump out it's hard not to notice all the numerous flaws and mistakes.
The game was Bungie's last Ooh-rah for the series, so maybe you shouldn't critize it so much. Just enjoy the game for what it is.It wasn't so much an "ooh-rah" as it was a "poink".
Grenade Chief:
Go Bungie!Fanbois have no place in a rational discussion.
While there are certainly reasons to be annoyed by the cannon breaks in Halo Reach, some of this kind of arguement is pretty BS. First of all trying to put oneself as intelligent over others simply because you feel cannon breaks are unnacceptable is pretty bad. I'm certain that truly intelligent people get angry about more important things than their video game cannon becoming muddled. While it's annoying, anger over it is a little much. I gave them money for a bigger view of the universe. They took my money and told me what I'd gotten was exactly what I wanted. Now they tell me it isn't true anymore. I paid for an understanding, which now doesn't exist, and now I want my money back.
The second and more important issue I have is the arguement saying it renders The Fall of Reach as nothing more than fan fiction. Certainly it is more important to Halo cannon than that since 343I are now the keepers of the cannon and they clearly intend to try to make both fit, and are going out of their way in order to do so. They're even in the middle of publishing, with Marvel, and comic book adaptation of the novel. Clearly they consider it to have a place in cannon. More important than that, even if they didn't consider TFoR cannon any more and it was completley wiped from Halo history, there is certainly a reason to be annoyed about that if you liked the book, and that's fine, but the arguement that says it's now only fan fiction is not an arguement that helps your case much. If the book is any good, it should be able to stand on its own as a good story regardless of what greater universe it is or isn't a part of, and your money and time would have still been spent reading a good story. If it's not being cannon makes it some how less of a good book and just in the realm of fan fiction quality storytelling, then it was never a good story to begin with and you should be more angry that you spent your time and money on a bad story. All-Star Superman is considered one of the greatest Superman comics written, and certainly one of the best of the last 10 to 20 years. It is not in "official" Superman continuity in any way whatsoever, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the best Superman stories out there, and certainly wouldn't put it in the category of fan fiction.The quality isn't the problem here. It's a good tale in and of itself. The issue with me personally, is that I paid to know more about the universe. That's the entire reason I read books, to learn about that world. Same thing with Forgotten realms and Tom Clancy novels. When it is no longer pertinent to the universe it was created for, it becomes fanfiction.
As I said, there are plenty of reasons to be annoyed by cannon breaks and there are plenty of valid arguements on both sides, but when people start saying that it qualifies as fan fiction now, well, it kind of ruins the whole debate as if that's all the quality of the book is and it can not stand on it's own as a good sci-fi book. If THAT were the case then I'd rather not have it in the cannon to begin with. (to qualify that last statement, I DO like the book, that's why I don't like the "now it's just fan fic" arguement)Again, it's not the quality at hand, it's the content. There's plenty of good fanfiction out there. I'm in the middle of reading a C&C 3rd Tib War story right now. And so far it's much better than Reach is. But I want to learn more about the C&C universe, which that fanfic might help me accomplish. I'm several chapters in, and it has yet to break established canon anywhere. Same with the games; From Command & Conquer to Tiberian Sun to Tiberium Wars, every change is explained, instead of just done haphazardly.
Now, I don't mean to call people stupid, or others more intelligent. I'm just tired of all the fanbois defending everything Bungie does, whether it makes sense or not.