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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Although I cannot help but laugh/cry at some of the attempts I've witnessed to rationalize the inconsistent timeline over at the Halo wiki:

According to them (I go by the games as the word of God, as should everyone else), WINTER CONTINGENCY was declared on the 24th of July, while major planetary campaigns (including the near total destruction of a major city) continued in the following weeks; ONI, The Long Night of Solace, New Alexandria, etc. It's even made clear from the tactical map on the Corvette that the Covenant are waging a simultaneous global campaign and are not restricting their battles to small skirmishes.

And yet at the same time, on the 12th, the 25th, the 27th and the 29th (respectively) the Chief, Halsey and her other Spartans are conducting business as usual; inspecting their equipment, participating in briefings and planning a major operation on a planet that is continually referred to as "safe". And yet everybody neglects to mention that the planet is under direct assault from a force that is concurrently wiping cities off the map.

Besides, don't get me started on the POA rationalization! So the POA makes a jump at 0647 hours on a pre-determined course set by Cortana as she's currently being pursued by a fleet of Cruisers; but then (for no apparent reason) she decides to loop around and return to Reach nearly ten hours after the Covenant mopped up the fleet, land in a dry dock of all places under the threat of orbital bombardment and then wait around for a package.

Seriously guys, there's no need to Parrot every fact regardless of how obviously ridiculous it is.

  • 02.23.2011 6:34 PM PDT

Fortune favors the Bold

I just feel like bungie just creates all these new stories just to sell stuff, no matter if they conflict or not. Then bungie tells us that the most recent stories are the ones that are canon. So what does that mean about the old stories? That they are about as useful as fanfic?

  • 02.23.2011 6:43 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.

Regardless of these errors, did you still find the game enjoyable?
Or do you just look for all the flaws and inconsistencies in games.

The game was Bungie's last Ooh-rah for the series, so maybe you shouldn't critize it so much. Just enjoy the game for what it is.

Grenade Chief:
Go Bungie!

If you guys don't care, let us have our way.

We care about Halo.

  • 02.23.2011 11:30 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: CB Visco
I just feel like bungie just creates all these new stories just to sell stuff, no matter if they conflict or not. Then bungie tells us that the most recent stories are the ones that are canon. So what does that mean about the old stories? That they are about as useful as fanfic?

That's why we are displeased.

  • 02.23.2011 11:30 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: Hysterical Joker
It is very disappointing, given how enthralling and great the story is for The Fall of Reach and First Strike, not withstanding the obvious retcon issues. Even if they are re-making the novels to fix this, it will destroy a story that I very much preferred.

Same boat. It always irritates me when what I put time and effort into is made redundant. The story I spent weeks reading into is now obsolete. Oh well, great way to lose a lore hound to just enjoying the games.

Hopefully the Forerunner books will be better.

  • 02.24.2011 1:29 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K

Hopefully the Forerunner books will be better.


You haven't read Cryptum yet?

  • 02.24.2011 8:42 AM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K

Hopefully the Forerunner books will be better.


You haven't read Cryptum yet?

No, I stopped reading when I got done with Ghosts of Onyx. After hearing about Contact Harvest and its inclusion of Brutes and the like (which I'm still not finished reading) I somewhat stopped wanting to read the Halo books. The addition of Buggers made me even more irritated in the Contact Harvest. Worst Halo enemy ever, no reason to exist, etc.

[Edited on 02.24.2011 6:02 PM PST]

  • 02.24.2011 6:01 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K

Hopefully the Forerunner books will be better.


You haven't read Cryptum yet?

No, I stopped reading when I got done with Ghosts of Onyx. After hearing about Contact Harvest and its inclusion of Brutes and the like (which I'm still not finished reading) I somewhat stopped wanting to read the Halo books. The addition of Buggers made me even more irritated in the Contact Harvest. Worst Halo enemy ever, no reason to exist, etc.


Cryptum and Evolutions are amazing books. Check them out for sure.

  • 02.24.2011 6:08 PM PDT

Fortune favors the Bold

cryptum is good, Im just hesitant to see where they take the story to make it all fit. Bungie and friends have a thing for breaking canon

  • 02.25.2011 6:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Zero_Patience
Although I cannot help but laugh/cry at some of the attempts I've witnessed to rationalize the inconsistent timeline over at the Halo wiki:

According to them (I go by the games as the word of God, as should everyone else), WINTER CONTINGENCY was declared on the 24th of July, while major planetary campaigns (including the near total destruction of a major city) continued in the following weeks; ONI, The Long Night of Solace, New Alexandria, etc. It's even made clear from the tactical map on the Corvette that the Covenant are waging a simultaneous global campaign and are not restricting their battles to small skirmishes.


Do you have a link to a pic? I'm not going to debate that there are certainly contradictions in the game vs the book, but I seem to remember all the skirmishes on that tac map taking place on one continent. I wouldn't defend all the contradictions in this game, but I gotta say even on our real Earth right now(a planet smaller in size, but with far more people on it than Reach), if some force were invading a backwater area of Africa or Russian Sieberia or soemthing, even a very large part of it and a couple major cities, and the governments of the world were to try to cover it up, me sitting in the US here, I probably wouldn't know about it. At the most I'd probably just hear rumors and such (like we seem to see happen in the live action trailer of peoples everyday lives that came out before the game, and like some of the workers communications in the new addendum to the new version of the Fall of Reach novel).

Now our planet is pretty open and billions of people live here. If our planet was more like Reach with a lot less population and larger empty areas of little to no population on the planet (maybe having some top secret military areas and Forerunner dig sites that are continents away from population to keep them secret) and the entire planet was a military run planet, actually being one of the centers of the military in our galactic settlement of planets where pretty much any and all communication, news, and information that reached the public on this planet, including whatever passes for internet on this military planet was tightly controlled by the military, I imagine that I might never know if an invasion was occuring on the other side of the planet. Again, I'm not going to try to defend other inconsistencies, but the one about the government keeping the early parts of the invasion a secret seem fairly plausable to me.

  • 02.25.2011 8:48 AM PDT

Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.
Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.

Regardless of these errors, did you still find the game enjoyable?Not particularly. It was a boring plot without anything spectacular, while the gameplay was jerky.
Or do you just look for all the flaws and inconsistencies in games. Once the big ones jump out it's hard not to notice all the numerous flaws and mistakes.

The game was Bungie's last Ooh-rah for the series, so maybe you shouldn't critize it so much. Just enjoy the game for what it is.It wasn't so much an "ooh-rah" as it was a "poink".

Grenade Chief:
Go Bungie!
Fanbois have no place in a rational discussion.

  • 02.25.2011 11:15 AM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.
Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.


I'm intelligent, I bought the novels, and I'm hardly angry or offended.

  • 02.25.2011 11:23 AM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.
Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.


I'm intelligent, I bought the novels, and I'm hardly angry or offended.
I apologize then. I should have posted "a great number" instead of the generalization.

  • 02.25.2011 11:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.
Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.

Regardless of these errors, did you still find the game enjoyable?Not particularly. It was a boring plot without anything spectacular, while the gameplay was jerky.
Or do you just look for all the flaws and inconsistencies in games. Once the big ones jump out it's hard not to notice all the numerous flaws and mistakes.

The game was Bungie's last Ooh-rah for the series, so maybe you shouldn't critize it so much. Just enjoy the game for what it is.It wasn't so much an "ooh-rah" as it was a "poink".

Grenade Chief:
Go Bungie!
Fanbois have no place in a rational discussion.


While there are certainly reasons to be annoyed by the cannon breaks in Halo Reach, some of this kind of arguement is pretty BS. First of all trying to put oneself as intelligent over others simply because you feel cannon breaks are unnacceptable is pretty bad. I'm certain that truly intelligent people get angry about more important things than their video game cannon becoming muddled. While it's annoying, anger over it is a little much.

The second and more important issue I have is the arguement saying it renders The Fall of Reach as nothing more than fan fiction. Certainly it is more important to Halo cannon than that since 343I are now the keepers of the cannon and they clearly intend to try to make both fit, and are going out of their way in order to do so. They're even in the middle of publishing, with Marvel, and comic book adaptation of the novel. Clearly they consider it to have a place in cannon. More important than that, even if they didn't consider TFoR cannon any more and it was completley wiped from Halo history, there is certainly a reason to be annoyed about that if you liked the book, and that's fine, but the arguement that says it's now only fan fiction is not an arguement that helps your case much. If the book is any good, it should be able to stand on its own as a good story regardless of what greater universe it is or isn't a part of, and your money and time would have still been spent reading a good story. If it's not being cannon makes it some how less of a good book and just in the realm of fan fiction quality storytelling, then it was never a good story to begin with and you should be more angry that you spent your time and money on a bad story. All-Star Superman is considered one of the greatest Superman comics written, and certainly one of the best of the last 10 to 20 years. It is not in "official" Superman continuity in any way whatsoever, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the best Superman stories out there, and certainly wouldn't put it in the category of fan fiction.

As I said, there are plenty of reasons to be annoyed by cannon breaks and there are plenty of valid arguements on both sides, but when people start saying that it qualifies as fan fiction now, well, it kind of ruins the whole debate as if that's all the quality of the book is and it can not stand on it's own as a good sci-fi book. If THAT were the case then I'd rather not have it in the cannon to begin with. (to qualify that last statement, I DO like the book, that's why I don't like the "now it's just fan fic" arguement)

[Edited on 02.25.2011 12:47 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 12:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Fearing

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.
Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.

Regardless of these errors, did you still find the game enjoyable?Not particularly. It was a boring plot without anything spectacular, while the gameplay was jerky.
Or do you just look for all the flaws and inconsistencies in games. Once the big ones jump out it's hard not to notice all the numerous flaws and mistakes.

The game was Bungie's last Ooh-rah for the series, so maybe you shouldn't critize it so much. Just enjoy the game for what it is.It wasn't so much an "ooh-rah" as it was a "poink".

Grenade Chief:
Go Bungie!
Fanbois have no place in a rational discussion.


While there are certainly reasons to be annoyed by the cannon breaks in Halo Reach, some of this kind of arguement is pretty BS. First of all trying to put oneself as intelligent over others simply because you feel cannon breaks are unnacceptable is pretty bad. I'm certain that truly intelligent people get angry about more important things than their video game cannon becoming muddled. While it's annoying, anger over it is a little much.

The second and more important issue I have is the arguement saying it renders The Fall of Reach as nothing more than fan fiction. Certainly it is more important to Halo cannon than that since 343I are now the keepers of the cannon and they clearly intend to try to make both fit, and are going out of their way in order to do so. They're even in the middle of publishing, with Marvel, and comic book adaptation of the novel. Clearly they consider it to have a place in cannon. More important than that, even if they didn't consider TFoR cannon any more and it was completley wiped from Halo history, there is certainly a reason to be annoyed about that if you liked the book, and that's fine, but the arguement that says it's now only fan fiction is not an arguement that helps your case much. If the book is any good, it should be able to stand on its own as a good story regardless of what greater universe it is or isn't a part of, and your money and time would have still been spent reading a good story. If it's not being cannon makes it some how less of a good book and just in the realm of fan fiction quality storytelling, then it was never a good story to begin with and you should be more angry that you spent your time and money on a bad story. All-Star Superman is considered one of the greatest Superman comics written, and certainly one of the best of the last 10 to 20 years. It is not in "official" Superman continuity in any way whatsoever, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the best Superman stories out there, and certainly wouldn't put it in the category of fan fiction.

As I said, there are plenty of reasons to be annoyed by cannon breaks and there are plenty of valid arguements on both sides, but when people start saying that it qualifies as fan fiction now, well, it kind of ruins the whole debate as if that's all the quality of the book is and it can not stand on it's own as a good sci-fi book. If THAT were the case then I'd rather not have it in the cannon to begin with. (to qualify that last statement, I DO like the book, that's why I don't like the "now it's just fan fic" arguement)


Fearing, my good sir, you win the interwbz :D
I like your approach to it, I don't really like changes to an established story either, but I'm not going to get panties in a knot over it and claim the new material renders the old little more than fanfiction. Instead I will try to make sense of what I can from what I know about the rest of the Halo universe. And if something doesn't make much sense yet, like how the Super Carrier got to Reach undetected, I'll try and think up something plausible and just wait until the official sources choose to reveal the mystery, and if they don't, then I already have an explanation that is satisfactory to me.

Good argument, whatever side of the debate you fall on, the couple posts you've made in here have given me a lot of respect for you, cheers :)

  • 02.25.2011 2:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Fearing

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Krinn3
Quick question... who actually is concerned? Anyone? No, well then. I guess we're done here.
Go away. Myself, caboose, and anyone intelligent who bought the novels are angry and/or offended. We paid for a glimpse into the universe, and now large parts of what we paid for no longer exists. In essence, we paid for fanfiction. And I want my money back.

Regardless of these errors, did you still find the game enjoyable?Not particularly. It was a boring plot without anything spectacular, while the gameplay was jerky.
Or do you just look for all the flaws and inconsistencies in games. Once the big ones jump out it's hard not to notice all the numerous flaws and mistakes.

The game was Bungie's last Ooh-rah for the series, so maybe you shouldn't critize it so much. Just enjoy the game for what it is.It wasn't so much an "ooh-rah" as it was a "poink".

Grenade Chief:
Go Bungie!
Fanbois have no place in a rational discussion.


While there are certainly reasons to be annoyed by the cannon breaks in Halo Reach, some of this kind of arguement is pretty BS. First of all trying to put oneself as intelligent over others simply because you feel cannon breaks are unnacceptable is pretty bad. I'm certain that truly intelligent people get angry about more important things than their video game cannon becoming muddled. While it's annoying, anger over it is a little much.
I gave them money for a bigger view of the universe. They took my money and told me what I'd gotten was exactly what I wanted. Now they tell me it isn't true anymore. I paid for an understanding, which now doesn't exist, and now I want my money back.

The second and more important issue I have is the arguement saying it renders The Fall of Reach as nothing more than fan fiction. Certainly it is more important to Halo cannon than that since 343I are now the keepers of the cannon and they clearly intend to try to make both fit, and are going out of their way in order to do so. They're even in the middle of publishing, with Marvel, and comic book adaptation of the novel. Clearly they consider it to have a place in cannon. More important than that, even if they didn't consider TFoR cannon any more and it was completley wiped from Halo history, there is certainly a reason to be annoyed about that if you liked the book, and that's fine, but the arguement that says it's now only fan fiction is not an arguement that helps your case much. If the book is any good, it should be able to stand on its own as a good story regardless of what greater universe it is or isn't a part of, and your money and time would have still been spent reading a good story. If it's not being cannon makes it some how less of a good book and just in the realm of fan fiction quality storytelling, then it was never a good story to begin with and you should be more angry that you spent your time and money on a bad story. All-Star Superman is considered one of the greatest Superman comics written, and certainly one of the best of the last 10 to 20 years. It is not in "official" Superman continuity in any way whatsoever, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the best Superman stories out there, and certainly wouldn't put it in the category of fan fiction.The quality isn't the problem here. It's a good tale in and of itself. The issue with me personally, is that I paid to know more about the universe. That's the entire reason I read books, to learn about that world. Same thing with Forgotten realms and Tom Clancy novels. When it is no longer pertinent to the universe it was created for, it becomes fanfiction.

As I said, there are plenty of reasons to be annoyed by cannon breaks and there are plenty of valid arguements on both sides, but when people start saying that it qualifies as fan fiction now, well, it kind of ruins the whole debate as if that's all the quality of the book is and it can not stand on it's own as a good sci-fi book. If THAT were the case then I'd rather not have it in the cannon to begin with. (to qualify that last statement, I DO like the book, that's why I don't like the "now it's just fan fic" arguement)Again, it's not the quality at hand, it's the content. There's plenty of good fanfiction out there. I'm in the middle of reading a C&C 3rd Tib War story right now. And so far it's much better than Reach is. But I want to learn more about the C&C universe, which that fanfic might help me accomplish. I'm several chapters in, and it has yet to break established canon anywhere. Same with the games; From Command & Conquer to Tiberian Sun to Tiberium Wars, every change is explained, instead of just done haphazardly.

Now, I don't mean to call people stupid, or others more intelligent. I'm just tired of all the fanbois defending everything Bungie does, whether it makes sense or not.

  • 02.25.2011 3:17 PM PDT

I would hardly say the Fall of Reach is no longer canon.

The Fall of Reach and Halo Reach don't truly conflict in such DRASTIC ways. The most conflicts is directly around the battle itself. The rest of the book? Completely untouched.

  • 02.25.2011 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I would hardly say the Fall of Reach is no longer canon.

The Fall of Reach and Halo Reach don't truly conflict in such DRASTIC ways. The most conflicts is directly around the battle itself. The rest of the book? Completely untouched.


Exactly, claiming the whole book is retconned to the level of fanfiction is extremely absurd and overreacting in most obvious sense of the word. Changing a small aspect of the story does not negate the whole issue, whatever the facts are about the account of the Battle of Reach in TFoR, the rest of the book is completely untouched and just as much canon as it was 10 years ago.

[Edited on 02.25.2011 3:38 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 3:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I would hardly say the Fall of Reach is no longer canon.

The Fall of Reach and Halo Reach don't truly conflict in such DRASTIC ways. The most conflicts is directly around the battle itself. The rest of the book? Completely untouched.
That's still removing one of the major plot points.

What about the rest of the novels? First Strike was affected. Ghosts of Onyx is affected. It's a snowball effect. Once one thing is changed, others need to be corrected, then others, and so on. Look through the first dozen or so pages and you'll see my reasoning.

  • 02.25.2011 11:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Fearing
Do you have a link to a pic? I'm not going to debate that there are certainly contradictions in the game vs the book, but I seem to remember all the skirmishes on that tac map taking place on one continent. I wouldn't defend all the contradictions in this game, but I gotta say even on our real Earth right now(a planet smaller in size, but with far more people on it than Reach), if some force were invading a backwater area of Africa or Russian Sieberia or soemthing, even a very large part of it and a couple major cities, and the governments of the world were to try to cover it up, me sitting in the US here, I probably wouldn't know about it. At the most I'd probably just hear rumors and such (like we seem to see happen in the live action trailer of peoples everyday lives that came out before the game, and like some of the workers communications in the new addendum to the new version of the Fall of Reach novel).

Now our planet is pretty open and billions of people live here. If our planet was more like Reach with a lot less population and larger empty areas of little to no population on the planet (maybe having some top secret military areas and Forerunner dig sites that are continents away from population to keep them secret) and the entire planet was a military run planet, actually being one of the centers of the military in our galactic settlement of planets where pretty much any and all communication, news, and information that reached the public on this planet, including whatever passes for internet on this military planet was tightly controlled by the military, I imagine that I might never know if an invasion was occuring on the other side of the planet. Again, I'm not going to try to defend other inconsistencies, but the one about the government keeping the early parts of the invasion a secret seem fairly plausable to me.


You'll have to look it up yourself by playing the game, but you can clearly see from the holographic tacmap multiple dropship, Corvette and unit designation symbols of various colors spread across the planet. Plus you have the rather derisive fact that said event has taken place after an unsuccessful skirmish to contain a CONTINENTAL wide attack; which has so far spread out into areas of mass civic population centers on varying continents.

And I'm sorry, but you alone are not an ample example of what constitutes a "broad" knowledge of the global information network. Yes, you - by yourself - are ignorant of what may happen in Siberia during a full scale conflict if any government is successful in totally silencing every major civic network (including weather satellites or privately owned telescopes for Christ sakes - which I don't have to point how stupid the idea is), but would a super-soldier, a cadre of scientists and generals share the same total ignorance when they are planning a clandestine operation upon a planet that is under direct assault? Don't you think someone like Halsey - who was aware of the attack from the very start - not make a squadron of Spartans and a fleet attache that only was Reach under attack, but the UNSC was diverting 60% of their naval assets to the counter-attack?

That's the kind of thing you tell operatives about, if they were too stupid to figure it out themselves that it.

  • 02.26.2011 12:43 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Did you know that the mission to capture a prophet was the 1,2,3,6 and 7th levels of halo 2, even though they organised it during the battle of reach. I dont know why but this amazes me somehow because it is like playing a continueation of the books now that i know this.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 5:43 AM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 5:41 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Did you know that the mission to capture a prophet was the 1,2,3,6 and 7th levels of halo 2, even though they organised it during the battle of reach. I dont know why but this amazes me somehow because it is like playing a continueation of the books now that i know this.


Capturing a prophet on Earth =/= OPERATION REDFLAG.(Taking EVERY Spartan II and going into Covenant territory to bring a prophet back.)

  • 02.26.2011 8:23 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: SteroidKloud
Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Did you know that the mission to capture a prophet was the 1,2,3,6 and 7th levels of halo 2, even though they organised it during the battle of reach. I dont know why but this amazes me somehow because it is like playing a continueation of the books now that i know this.


Capturing a prophet on Earth =/= OPERATION REDFLAG.(Taking EVERY Spartan II and going into Covenant territory to bring a prophet back.)


I dont understand?

  • 02.26.2011 9:10 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: SteroidKloud
Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Did you know that the mission to capture a prophet was the 1,2,3,6 and 7th levels of halo 2, even though they organised it during the battle of reach. I dont know why but this amazes me somehow because it is like playing a continueation of the books now that i know this.


Capturing a prophet on Earth =/= OPERATION REDFLAG.(Taking EVERY Spartan II and going into Covenant territory to bring a prophet back.)


I dont understand?


Operation REDFLAG was a mission to get all the Spartans together, send them into Covenant territory and capture a Prophet in order to end the war. This was put on hold when the Covenant arrived at Reach on August 31st.

This never happened now that Halsey was never there to debrief the Spartans, now she's underneath SWORD Base with a Cortana fragment analysing some BS Forerunner structure which was never explained.

  • 02.26.2011 9:29 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: SteroidKloud
Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Did you know that the mission to capture a prophet was the 1,2,3,6 and 7th levels of halo 2, even though they organised it during the battle of reach. I dont know why but this amazes me somehow because it is like playing a continueation of the books now that i know this.


Capturing a prophet on Earth =/= OPERATION REDFLAG.(Taking EVERY Spartan II and going into Covenant territory to bring a prophet back.)


I dont understand?


Operation REDFLAG was a mission to get all the Spartans together, send them into Covenant territory and capture a Prophet in order to end the war. This was put on hold when the Covenant arrived at Reach on August 31st.

This never happened now that Halsey was never there to debrief the Spartans, now she's underneath SWORD Base with a Cortana fragment analysing some BS Forerunner structure which was never explained.


I understand now

  • 02.26.2011 9:35 AM PDT