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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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So that's a retcon for the Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.

  • 02.26.2011 9:42 AM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
So that's a retcon for the Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.
Ghosts of Onyx too. Most of Noble Team were too old to be part of their supposed groups.

  • 02.26.2011 10:55 AM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: ajw34307
So that's a retcon for the Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.
Ghosts of Onyx too. Most of Noble Team were too old to be part of their supposed groups.
Or that they weren't too picky with the orphans.

  • 02.26.2011 11:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: ajw34307
So that's a retcon for the Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.
Ghosts of Onyx too. Most of Noble Team were too old to be part of their supposed groups.
Or that they weren't too picky with the orphans.
No. They were several years ahead of the entire group(3 or 5). Also, all of Alpha died, while only two survived Beta.

  • 02.26.2011 11:42 AM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: ajw34307
So that's a retcon for the Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.
Ghosts of Onyx too. Most of Noble Team were too old to be part of their supposed groups.
Or that they weren't too picky with the orphans.
No. They were several years ahead of the entire group(3 or 5).
Just saying, seeing how high civilian casualties are.

When you require hundreds of individuals with these rates, you really can't afford to be picky.


Posted by: chickenlittle
Also, all of Alpha died, while only two survived Beta.
They were pulled out by Mendez before their companies did their missions.

  • 02.26.2011 1:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: ajw34307
So that's a retcon for the Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike.
Ghosts of Onyx too. Most of Noble Team were too old to be part of their supposed groups.
Or that they weren't too picky with the orphans.
No. They were several years ahead of the entire group(3 or 5).
Just saying, seeing how high civilian casualties are.

When you require hundreds of individuals with these rates, you really can't afford to be picky.


Posted by: chickenlittle
Also, all of Alpha died, while only two survived Beta.
They were pulled out by Mendez before their companies did their missions.


If I remember correctly, it simply stated the average age was 6 years old... Might be wrong on that though.

Also, yep as Plasma said. All of Alpha that went on the suicide mission died. 2 returned from the beta suicide mission, while around 9 are MIA at start of it I believe.

The letter directly implies that Kurt and Mendez pulled groups like Noble Team out and sent them on successful missions.

  • 02.26.2011 1:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If I remember correctly, it simply stated the average age was 6 years old... Might be wrong on that though.
That sounds about right. I'm just having a hard time believing that they'd have soldiers 3-5 years older than the specified age categories. Even without the strictest requirements of the Spartan II program, they had plenty of population to look through. Still some Inner Colonies up at the time.

Also, yep as Plasma said. All of Alpha that went on the suicide mission died. 2 returned from the beta suicide mission, while around 9 are MIA at start of it I believe.Can you show a quote from the novels about that? I don't remember hearing about the 9 MIA.

The letter directly implies that Kurt and Mendez pulled groups like Noble Team out and sent them on successful missions.Which letter? I've only gone through Halsey's Journal once.

  • 02.26.2011 4:37 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If I remember correctly, it simply stated the average age was 6 years old... Might be wrong on that though.
That sounds about right. I'm just having a hard time believing that they'd have soldiers 3-5 years older than the specified age categories. Even without the strictest requirements of the Spartan II program, they had plenty of population to look through. Still some Inner Colonies up at the time.

Also, yep as Plasma said. All of Alpha that went on the suicide mission died. 2 returned from the beta suicide mission, while around 9 are MIA at start of it I believe.Can you show a quote from the novels about that? I don't remember hearing about the 9 MIA.

The letter directly implies that Kurt and Mendez pulled groups like Noble Team out and sent them on successful missions.Which letter? I've only gone through Halsey's Journal once.


From glancing at halopedia, upon start of mission nine of them failed to report in. Labeled MIA but presumed dead on impact of the pods or killed by Covenant patrols.

As for the letter, http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personn el&cid=24040

  • 02.26.2011 5:33 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

If I remember correctly, it simply stated the average age was 6 years old... Might be wrong on that though.


Ghosts of Oynx, page 69. Kurt directly states that every child there is between 4 and 6 years old. Yet, Carter is 11 at this point in time.

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  • 02.26.2011 8:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.

  • 02.27.2011 12:26 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.



Everything started going to Hell in a handbasket once the Long Night of Solace decloaked at the end of Tip of the Spear, that's when things started going global. Before that they were just under attack in the Viery Territory

  • 02.27.2011 12:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.



Everything started going to Hell in a handbasket once the Long Night of Solace decloaked at the end of Tip of the Spear, that's when things started going global. Before that they were just under attack in the Viery Territory


That makes it worse then, becuase if reach was under attack by that many ships with no defenses it shouldn't have lasted weeks.

  • 02.27.2011 12:50 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.



Everything started going to Hell in a handbasket once the Long Night of Solace decloaked at the end of Tip of the Spear, that's when things started going global. Before that they were just under attack in the Viery Territory


That makes it worse then, becuase if reach was under attack by that many ships with no defenses it shouldn't have lasted weeks.

Corvettes don't pack a lot of punch.

Even afterwards, when the other ships started to arrive, it would take awhile to get rid of the various cities and UNSC Ground Bunkers.

Besides, Earth held out for several months.

  • 02.27.2011 12:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.



Everything started going to Hell in a handbasket once the Long Night of Solace decloaked at the end of Tip of the Spear, that's when things started going global. Before that they were just under attack in the Viery Territory


That makes it worse then, becuase if reach was under attack by that many ships with no defenses it shouldn't have lasted weeks.

Corvettes don't pack a lot of punch.

Even afterwards, when the other ships started to arrive, it would take awhile to get rid of the various cities and UNSC Ground Bunkers.

Besides, Earth held out for several months.


At the end of long night of solace is were the full fleet comes in, and that is why i am saying it shouldn't have took weeks going by the game for reach to fall.


In the book reach had about 100 ships along side Smacs, even then the battle lasted under 2 hours with skirmishes that lasted weeks on the ground.

In the game reach had no ships, no Smacs, yet survived a full attack for weeks??? that makes no sense at all.


Earth had several fleets and a grid of Smacs. Earth was under siege for months while the 2 battles didn't last long at all.

  • 02.27.2011 1:02 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
At the end of long night of solace is were the full fleet comes in, and that is why i am saying it shouldn't have took weeks going by the game for reach to fall.
It was merely the first wave. For instance, Thel's fleet (Among two others) didn't arrive until the 30th.

The fleet seen at the end of the cutscene was rather meager.


In the book reach had about 100 ships along side Smacs, even then the battle lasted under 2 hours with skirmishes that lasted weeks on the ground.

In the game reach had no ships, no Smacs, yet survived a full attack for weeks??? that makes no sense at all.
They had ships and defences. Just because you hardly seen any, doesn't mean that they weren't there. Infact, one of the new maps is part of the network.

Also, Harvest was lasting for Five Years without total glassing.


Earth had several fleets and a grid of Smacs. Earth was under siege for months while the 2 battles didn't last long at all.
I would say that 15 days at Reach was rather short.

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  • 02.27.2011 1:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.



Everything started going to Hell in a handbasket once the Long Night of Solace decloaked at the end of Tip of the Spear, that's when things started going global. Before that they were just under attack in the Viery Territory


That makes it worse then, becuase if reach was under attack by that many ships with no defenses it shouldn't have lasted weeks.

Corvettes don't pack a lot of punch.

Even afterwards, when the other ships started to arrive, it would take awhile to get rid of the various cities and UNSC Ground Bunkers.

Besides, Earth held out for several months.


At the end of long night of solace is were the full fleet comes in, and that is why i am saying it shouldn't have took weeks going by the game for reach to fall.


In the book reach had about 100 ships along side Smacs, even then the battle lasted under 2 hours with skirmishes that lasted weeks on the ground.

In the game reach had no ships, no Smacs, yet survived a full attack for weeks??? that makes no sense at all.


Earth had several fleets and a grid of Smacs. Earth was under siege for months while the 2 battles didn't last long at all.


The real battle didn't start until August 30.

  • 02.27.2011 1:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
The real battle didn't start until August 30.


The real battle started on the 14th.

  • 02.27.2011 5:13 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

If I remember correctly, it simply stated the average age was 6 years old... Might be wrong on that though.


Ghosts of Oynx, page 69. Kurt directly states that every child there is between 4 and 6 years old. Yet, Carter is 11 at this point in time.

Do we not see Jun in one of those trailers with Carter, being about the same age?

  • 02.27.2011 5:53 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

If I remember correctly, it simply stated the average age was 6 years old... Might be wrong on that though.


Ghosts of Oynx, page 69. Kurt directly states that every child there is between 4 and 6 years old. Yet, Carter is 11 at this point in time.

Do we not see Jun in one of those trailers with Carter, being about the same age?


No. There is an Asian man named Kai, however.

  • 02.27.2011 5:54 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
I still don't understand how we are suppose to belive that only small sections of reach were under attack while the holosphere of reach on the corrvette shows dozens of attack sites planet wide.



Everything started going to Hell in a handbasket once the Long Night of Solace decloaked at the end of Tip of the Spear, that's when things started going global. Before that they were just under attack in the Viery Territory


That makes it worse then, becuase if reach was under attack by that many ships with no defenses it shouldn't have lasted weeks.

Corvettes don't pack a lot of punch.

"TAEK OUT DEM BANSHEES NOBEL SIX THEIR BANSHEES THE CORVETTE IS TEAR US APERT"

They pack enough.

  • 02.27.2011 5:59 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: manwith
The real battle didn't start until August 30.


The real battle started on the 14th.

Source? What page?

  • 02.27.2011 6:00 PM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
[/quote]Corvettes don't pack a lot of punch.
[/quote]
"TAEK OUT DEM BANSHEES NOBEL SIX THEIR BANSHEES THE CORVETTE IS TEAR US APERT"

They pack enough.
Not enough to glass. All they are for ground operations are aerial artillary. Beyond that, well...

  • 02.27.2011 6:28 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: manwith
The real battle didn't start until August 30.


The real battle started on the 14th.

Source? What page?


...there is no "page." Everything regarding the invasion in the books is now obsolete and isn't reliable information, thanks to Reach.

But the Long Night of Solace mission took place on the 14th, which is also when the first invading army appeared.

  • 02.27.2011 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
...there is no "page." Everything regarding the invasion in the books is now obsolete and isn't reliable information, thanks to Reach.
This has been around since Halo 3: ODST.

  • 02.27.2011 6:35 PM PDT


Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.


noble team was made out of spartans before they were sent on "suicide missions"

  • 02.27.2011 6:38 PM PDT