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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Only, it didn't make it seem like it was 'barely lost'. Though, what's stopping the other games from being ONI coverups?


Because the other games didn't come with a letter saying this is "as close as we can piece together" or whatever. I'll post the letter later.


I have the letter you refer to, doesn't mean ONI completely changed the events that occurred. Would be hard to change helm cam logs and such.

  • 03.16.2011 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Only, it didn't make it seem like it was 'barely lost'. Though, what's stopping the other games from being ONI coverups?


Because the other games didn't come with a letter saying this is "as close as we can piece together" or whatever. I'll post the letter later.


I have the letter you refer to, doesn't mean ONI completely changed the events that occurred. Would be hard to change helm cam logs and such.


Why would the public have cam logs from military personal?

  • 03.16.2011 2:33 PM PDT


Posted by: AoG Apocalyptic
Anyone else notice this also, in cryptum it obviously explains how humans and the forerunners had a war 1000 years ago and the the things that happened as a result of that. All in all it says that humans coexisted with forerunners.

If you'll turn to page 274 of Contact harvest, Mendacate Bias says to the prophets of truth, mercy, and regret aboard the forerunner dreadnaught: "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED" "LISTEND TO YOU MISINTERPRET" "THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION" "THIS IS RECLAIMER" this is the key piece of information that contradicts everything that cryptum says, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS" "MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS" "I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK"

... anyone understand this?


I would assume that maybe Forerunner constructs possibly mistake the meaning of Reclaimer? Or that Mendicant assumed the Luminary was referring to Forerunners, I don't know how much he knew about Humanity. So it's possible that he didn't know that Humanity were the inheritors of the Mantel and he assumed that some Forerunners were still around or had survived the firing of the Halo Array.

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Posted by: AoG Apocalyptic
Anyone else notice this also, in cryptum it obviously explains how humans and the forerunners had a war 1000 years ago and the the things that happened as a result of that. All in all it says that humans coexisted with forerunners.

If you'll turn to page 274 of Contact harvest, Mendacate Bias says to the prophets of truth, mercy, and regret aboard the forerunner dreadnaught: "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED" "LISTEND TO YOU MISINTERPRET" "THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION" "THIS IS RECLAIMER" this is the key piece of information that contradicts everything that cryptum says, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS" "MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS" "I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK"

... anyone understand this?


I would assume that maybe Forerunner constructs possibly mistake the meaning of Reclaimer? Or that Mendicant assumed the Luminary was referring to Forerunners, I don't know how much he knew about Humanity. So it's possible that he didn't know that Humanity were the inheritors of the Mantel and he assumed that some Forerunners were still around or had survived the firing of the Halo Array.


I think we are the ones that aren't understanding the meaning of "reclaimer". We know during the war with the flood humanity lost nearly everything and after the war with the forerunners they had everything taken from them.

I just know came to the conclusion that the point of us being "reclaimers" is to reclaim our worlds,culture, even our humanity itself that was wrongly taken from us by the forerunners. The And as a last gift the forerunners programmed all of thier tech to respond to hummanity as thier makers in efforts to help.

  • 03.16.2011 2:59 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: AoG Apocalyptic
Anyone else notice this also, in cryptum it obviously explains how humans and the forerunners had a war 1000 years ago and the the things that happened as a result of that. All in all it says that humans coexisted with forerunners.

If you'll turn to page 274 of Contact harvest, Mendacate Bias says to the prophets of truth, mercy, and regret aboard the forerunner dreadnaught: "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED" "LISTEND TO YOU MISINTERPRET" "THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION" "THIS IS RECLAIMER" this is the key piece of information that contradicts everything that cryptum says, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS" "MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS" "I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK"

... anyone understand this?


I would assume that maybe Forerunner constructs possibly mistake the meaning of Reclaimer? Or that Mendicant assumed the Luminary was referring to Forerunners, I don't know how much he knew about Humanity. So it's possible that he didn't know that Humanity were the inheritors of the Mantel and he assumed that some Forerunners were still around or had survived the firing of the Halo Array.


I think we are the ones that aren't understanding the meaning of "reclaimer". We know during the war with the flood humanity lost nearly everything and after the war with the forerunners they had everything taken from them.

I just know came to the conclusion that the point of us being "reclaimers" is to reclaim our worlds,culture, even our humanity itself that was wrongly taken from us by the forerunners. The And as a last gift the forerunners programmed all of thier tech to respond to hummanity as thier makers in efforts to help.


Interesting, and I agree with us not fully understanding the meaning of Reclaimer either, but I think we have a slightly better understanding than most characters in the Halo Universe do. But anyway, you point does sound very plausible, and could indeed be part of why Humanity are classified as Reclaimers. Though if it was that I wonder why exactly the Sentinels on Onyx didn't recognize Humans as Reclaimers whether they gave the proper counter response or not.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: AoG Apocalyptic
Anyone else notice this also, in cryptum it obviously explains how humans and the forerunners had a war 1000 years ago and the the things that happened as a result of that. All in all it says that humans coexisted with forerunners.

If you'll turn to page 274 of Contact harvest, Mendacate Bias says to the prophets of truth, mercy, and regret aboard the forerunner dreadnaught: "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED" "LISTEND TO YOU MISINTERPRET" "THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION" "THIS IS RECLAIMER" this is the key piece of information that contradicts everything that cryptum says, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS" "MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS" "I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK"

... anyone understand this?


I would assume that maybe Forerunner constructs possibly mistake the meaning of Reclaimer? Or that Mendicant assumed the Luminary was referring to Forerunners, I don't know how much he knew about Humanity. So it's possible that he didn't know that Humanity were the inheritors of the Mantel and he assumed that some Forerunners were still around or had survived the firing of the Halo Array.


I think we are the ones that aren't understanding the meaning of "reclaimer". We know during the war with the flood humanity lost nearly everything and after the war with the forerunners they had everything taken from them.

I just know came to the conclusion that the point of us being "reclaimers" is to reclaim our worlds,culture, even our humanity itself that was wrongly taken from us by the forerunners. The And as a last gift the forerunners programmed all of thier tech to respond to hummanity as thier makers in efforts to help.


Interesting, and I agree with us not fully understanding the meaning of Reclaimer either, but I think we have a slightly better understanding than most characters in the Halo Universe do. But anyway, you point does sound very plausible, and could indeed be part of why Humanity are classified as Reclaimers. Though if it was that I wonder why exactly the Sentinels on Onyx didn't recognize Humans as Reclaimers whether they gave the proper counter response or not.


Glad to have a little support, their isn't much to elaborate on so i don't really post it as a theory. Well the sentinels encounterd the SIIIs which have different genetic augs than the SIIs, which is why they were labeled unclassified.

I am now going to assume that ancient humans were naturally or augmented everybody similar to an SII. This is supported by the "commitee" of AI's from the datapads really serious about furthering the spartan program. and the fact that spartans seem to get more of a response from forerunner machines than normal humans.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: AoG Apocalyptic
Anyone else notice this also, in cryptum it obviously explains how humans and the forerunners had a war 1000 years ago and the the things that happened as a result of that. All in all it says that humans coexisted with forerunners.

If you'll turn to page 274 of Contact harvest, Mendacate Bias says to the prophets of truth, mercy, and regret aboard the forerunner dreadnaught: "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED" "LISTEND TO YOU MISINTERPRET" "THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION" "THIS IS RECLAIMER" this is the key piece of information that contradicts everything that cryptum says, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS" "MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS" "I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK"

... anyone understand this?


I would assume that maybe Forerunner constructs possibly mistake the meaning of Reclaimer? Or that Mendicant assumed the Luminary was referring to Forerunners, I don't know how much he knew about Humanity. So it's possible that he didn't know that Humanity were the inheritors of the Mantel and he assumed that some Forerunners were still around or had survived the firing of the Halo Array.


I think we are the ones that aren't understanding the meaning of "reclaimer". We know during the war with the flood humanity lost nearly everything and after the war with the forerunners they had everything taken from them.

I just know came to the conclusion that the point of us being "reclaimers" is to reclaim our worlds,culture, even our humanity itself that was wrongly taken from us by the forerunners. The And as a last gift the forerunners programmed all of thier tech to respond to hummanity as thier makers in efforts to help.


Interesting, and I agree with us not fully understanding the meaning of Reclaimer either, but I think we have a slightly better understanding than most characters in the Halo Universe do. But anyway, you point does sound very plausible, and could indeed be part of why Humanity are classified as Reclaimers. Though if it was that I wonder why exactly the Sentinels on Onyx didn't recognize Humans as Reclaimers whether they gave the proper counter response or not.


Glad to have a little support, their isn't much to elaborate on so i don't really post it as a theory. Well the sentinels encounterd the SIIIs which have different genetic augs than the SIIs, which is why they were labeled unclassified.

I am now going to assume that ancient humans were naturally or augmented everybody similar to an SII. This is supported by the "commitee" of AI's from the datapads really serious about furthering the spartan program. and the fact that spartans seem to get more of a response from forerunner machines than normal humans.


Oh you're totally welcome, I'm always willing to listen to ideas, unless they're something completely off the wall like Jorge being Halsey's son because he calls her "mom" (yes, I know he's really saying "Ma'am", don't jump all over me please everybody).
Hmm, maybe, though remember Spark called Miranda a Reclaimer too, so I'm not entirely how much augmentations would have to do with it. Hum, I hadn't really noticed Spartans getting more a response from Artifacts, what instances are you think of if you don't mind my asking?

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: AoG Apocalyptic
Anyone else notice this also, in cryptum it obviously explains how humans and the forerunners had a war 1000 years ago and the the things that happened as a result of that. All in all it says that humans coexisted with forerunners.

If you'll turn to page 274 of Contact harvest, Mendacate Bias says to the prophets of truth, mercy, and regret aboard the forerunner dreadnaught: "FOR EONS I HAVE WATCHED" "LISTEND TO YOU MISINTERPRET" "THIS IS NOT RECLAMATION" "THIS IS RECLAIMER" this is the key piece of information that contradicts everything that cryptum says, "AND THOSE IT REPRESENTS ARE MY MAKERS" "MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS" "I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK"

... anyone understand this?[/quote]

I would assume that maybe Forerunner constructs possibly mistake the meaning of Reclaimer? Or that Mendicant assumed the Luminary was referring to Forerunners, I don't know how much he knew about Humanity. So it's possible that he didn't know that Humanity were the inheritors of the Mantel and he assumed that some Forerunners were still around or had survived the firing of the Halo Array.


I think we are the ones that aren't understanding the meaning of "reclaimer". We know during the war with the flood humanity lost nearly everything and after the war with the forerunners they had everything taken from them.

I just know came to the conclusion that the point of us being "reclaimers" is to reclaim our worlds,culture, even our humanity itself that was wrongly taken from us by the forerunners. The And as a last gift the forerunners programmed all of thier tech to respond to hummanity as thier makers in efforts to help.


Interesting, and I agree with us not fully understanding the meaning of Reclaimer either, but I think we have a slightly better understanding than most characters in the Halo Universe do. But anyway, you point does sound very plausible, and could indeed be part of why Humanity are classified as Reclaimers. Though if it was that I wonder why exactly the Sentinels on Onyx didn't recognize Humans as Reclaimers whether they gave the proper counter response or not.


Glad to have a little support, their isn't much to elaborate on so i don't really post it as a theory. Well the sentinels encounterd the SIIIs which have different genetic augs than the SIIs, which is why they were labeled unclassified.

I am now going to assume that ancient humans were naturally or augmented everybody similar to an SII. This is supported by the "commitee" of AI's from the datapads really serious about furthering the spartan program. and the fact that spartans seem to get more of a response from forerunner machines than normal humans.



Hmm, maybe, though remember Spark called Miranda a Reclaimer too, so I'm not entirely how much augmentations would have to do with it. Hum, I hadn't really noticed Spartans getting more a response from Artifacts, what instances are you think of if you don't mind my asking?


Well all humans are reclaimers, yes. But during the entire campagin of Halo Ce-3 chief gets the most attention and response from 343. I haven't really worked everything on that part out yet so im on a limb.

  • 03.16.2011 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
No, they did not. They glassed major cities and UNSC controlled bases but never the entire planet. Harvest is a good example which had lasted 5 years and max. only 1/3 of the surface was glassed. Nevertheless, the UNSC retook it.

The reason people thought they had glassed entire planets was because nobody left watching.

If I recall, it was either Fall of Reach or First Strike which states that almost the entirety of the planet was glassed save for one location, which was Castle Base. Still, even if they didn't glass 100% of the planet, entire planet is basically everything that matters (and more than likely destroying the planet's habitability).

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Posted by: manwith
No, they did not. They glassed major cities and UNSC controlled bases but never the entire planet. Harvest is a good example which had lasted 5 years and max. only 1/3 of the surface was glassed. Nevertheless, the UNSC retook it.

The reason people thought they had glassed entire planets was because nobody left watching.

If I recall, it was either Fall of Reach or First Strike which states that almost the entirety of the planet was glassed save for one location, which was Castle Base. Still, even if they didn't glass 100% of the planet, entire planet is basically everything that matters (and more than likely destroying the planet's habitability).


Reach states that the poles were the only thing glassed and that the rest of the planet was just a huge wildfire (fred was in the middle).

  • 03.16.2011 4:34 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Well all humans are reclaimers, yes. But during the entire campaign of Hale Ce-3 chief gets the most attention and response from 343. I haven't really worked everything on that par out yet so im on a limb.


Ah, now I get where you're coming from. I think part of that might be Chief being the player character for most of the time, but probably it might be something like he's the primary Reclaimer or something? That's kinda what I always thought. Hehe, don't fall off :P

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: manwith
No, they did not. They glassed major cities and UNSC controlled bases but never the entire planet. Harvest is a good example which had lasted 5 years and max. only 1/3 of the surface was glassed. Nevertheless, the UNSC retook it.

The reason people thought they had glassed entire planets was because nobody left watching.

If I recall, it was either Fall of Reach or First Strike which states that almost the entirety of the planet was glassed save for one location, which was Castle Base. Still, even if they didn't glass 100% of the planet, entire planet is basically everything that matters (and more than likely destroying the planet's habitability).


I agree, glassing any large portion of the planet probably would destroy it's ability to be inhabited, at least for a while, as Reach has recovered by some time around 2589 or something like that.

I think grey101 is right though, I seem to recall it only saying the poles of Reach were glassed, or maybe that's Harvest :/ not entirely sure which one it was.

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Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: manwith
No, they did not. They glassed major cities and UNSC controlled bases but never the entire planet. Harvest is a good example which had lasted 5 years and max. only 1/3 of the surface was glassed. Nevertheless, the UNSC retook it.

The reason people thought they had glassed entire planets was because nobody left watching.

If I recall, it was either Fall of Reach or First Strike which states that almost the entirety of the planet was glassed save for one location, which was Castle Base. Still, even if they didn't glass 100% of the planet, entire planet is basically everything that matters (and more than likely destroying the planet's habitability).


Reach states that the poles were the only thing glassed and that the rest of the planet was just a huge wildfire (fred was in the middle).
Major settlements were glassed.

There was also a massive storm viewable from the level Pillar of Autumn that matches the storm over Voi.

  • 03.17.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.

Proof During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened.

Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Sources: Halo: Reach, Fall of Reach

Operation RED FLAG may have been initiated anyway after the UNSC and ONI recognized that Reach was becoming a losing battle. According to Jun, Spartans Red, Gauntlet and Echo Teams were evacuating civilians. This prompts Kat to ask if they had already lost.

If this is the same Red Team led by Fred, they could have done some ground engagements, evacuated the civilians, and attended the meeting for RED FLAG. With Reach practically in it's final days, the UNSC may have decided it would be more viable to send the Spartans they had left on an operation to capture a Prophet.

The Spartans in Red Team and Blue Team board the Autumn and prepare to flee. They get a signal from the Circumference, which could very well be part of the initial 66% of the UNSC fleet that arrived at Reach, possibly to do recon in space. During the battle it may have gotten damaged and gone aboard the space station to get repaired. However, before repairs could be finalized the station is being targeted by the Covenant. The AI could fail to wipe the NAV databases, Blue Team is sent in, and Red Team could still go planetside to protect the Orbital MAC generators.

Meanwhile, the Autumn could land at Azsod and recover Cortana's fragment. And before anyone calls into question about Chief being in the cutscene, it's an obvious Easter egg considering you can only see him by shifting the camera.

Autmumn leaves Aszod, picks up Chief, Linda, and Johnson and his men and leave Reach.

In the end, it would seem the only changes would be in circumstances, ie the meeting occurring during the battle and not before.

  • 03.17.2011 8:21 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Only, it didn't make it seem like it was 'barely lost'. Though, what's stopping the other games from being ONI coverups?


Because the other games didn't come with a letter saying this is "as close as we can piece together" or whatever. I'll post the letter later.


I have the letter you refer to, doesn't mean ONI completely changed the events that occurred. Would be hard to change helm cam logs and such.


Why would the public have cam logs from military personal?


This is why they would

  • 03.17.2011 9:54 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

I dont recall that being the case, also I dont recall the number of Covie ships in atmosphere at Reach, but they set up shop in orbit and bombarded a large portion of the surface with ALOT of ships doing the work thus expediting the time necessary to glass the surface. I'm pretty sure almost all of Reach got glassed, but I havent read the books in ages so my memory is a little foggy.

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Posted by: grey101
Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

I dont recall that being the case, also I dont recall the number of Covie ships in atmosphere at Reach, but they set up shop in orbit and bombarded a large portion of the surface with ALOT of ships doing the work thus expediting the time necessary to glass the surface. I'm pretty sure almost all of Reach got glassed, but I havent read the books in ages so my memory is a little foggy.
It's mathematics. One ship can glass one or two acres per second. Planets are thousands of kilometers wide, with millions of square kilometers. It would take a few decades, even with a large fleet.

  • 03.17.2011 10:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

I dont recall that being the case, also I dont recall the number of Covie ships in atmosphere at Reach, but they set up shop in orbit and bombarded a large portion of the surface with ALOT of ships doing the work thus expediting the time necessary to glass the surface. I'm pretty sure almost all of Reach got glassed, but I havent read the books in ages so my memory is a little foggy.
It's mathematics. One ship can glass one or two acres per second. Planets are thousands of kilometers wide, with millions of square kilometers. It would take a few decades, even with a large fleet.

according to my math...you are right. 82.74 years to glass the entire surface of earth. :D yeah calculators and google!

  • 03.17.2011 10:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

I dont recall that being the case, also I dont recall the number of Covie ships in atmosphere at Reach, but they set up shop in orbit and bombarded a large portion of the surface with ALOT of ships doing the work thus expediting the time necessary to glass the surface. I'm pretty sure almost all of Reach got glassed, but I havent read the books in ages so my memory is a little foggy.
It's mathematics. One ship can glass one or two acres per second. Planets are thousands of kilometers wide, with millions of square kilometers. It would take a few decades, even with a large fleet.

according to my math...you are right. 82.74 years to glass the entire surface of earth. :D yeah calculators and google!

BUT thats only one ship ;)

  • 03.17.2011 10:17 PM PDT

500 ships would glass the whole planet in 58 days, as in every square inch of it.

  • 03.17.2011 10:18 PM PDT


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Posted by: Kage X onI
Posted by: grey101
Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

I dont recall that being the case, also I dont recall the number of Covie ships in atmosphere at Reach, but they set up shop in orbit and bombarded a large portion of the surface with ALOT of ships doing the work thus expediting the time necessary to glass the surface. I'm pretty sure almost all of Reach got glassed, but I havent read the books in ages so my memory is a little foggy.
It's mathematics. One ship can glass one or two acres per second. Planets are thousands of kilometers wide, with millions of square kilometers. It would take a few decades, even with a large fleet.

according to my math...you are right. 82.74 years to glass the entire surface of earth. :D yeah calculators and google!
There are, of course, four variables for this equation: Number of ships, cool down times, charge up times, and the time to resupply the gases needed to produce Plasma.

  • 03.17.2011 10:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Kage X onI
500 ships would glass the whole planet in 58 days, as in every square inch of it.
Of course, as I said in the post above this one, there are more variables.

  • 03.17.2011 10:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: Kage X onI
Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: Kage X onI
Posted by: grey101
Well we know from the datapads and from evolutions that an entire planet takes years to glass, so reach wasn't "fully glassed" nor was any other planet. just certain hotspots that would make the planet hard to live on.

I dont recall that being the case, also I dont recall the number of Covie ships in atmosphere at Reach, but they set up shop in orbit and bombarded a large portion of the surface with ALOT of ships doing the work thus expediting the time necessary to glass the surface. I'm pretty sure almost all of Reach got glassed, but I havent read the books in ages so my memory is a little foggy.
It's mathematics. One ship can glass one or two acres per second. Planets are thousands of kilometers wide, with millions of square kilometers. It would take a few decades, even with a large fleet.

according to my math...you are right. 82.74 years to glass the entire surface of earth. :D yeah calculators and google!
There are, of course, four variables for this equation: Number of ships, cool down times, charge up times, and the time to resupply the gases needed to produce Plasma.


Another factor (Not sure if you put it in with charge up/cool down times) is how long they can maintain the beam. I believe in Halo 3 it looked like they didn't maintain them for very long, doing a sweep before switching up. Though, I haven't watched those cutscenes in a while.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Error: Pillar of Autumn on Reach.

Proof During the final level of Halo: Reach, the Pillar of Autumn is on the planet, and isn't in space, preparing for the Prophet mission. This COMPLETELY destroys much of Halo's canon. If the ship wasn't in space, than the Spartans of Red Team would have never jumped to the planet, meaning that the 4 spartans who died, would have still been alive. Which could have hanged the outcome of the battle. PLUS, the space op to destroy the Circumference's NAV data wouldn't have happened. So Chief, James, and Linda had no reason to NOT be part of Red team. So the chief wouldn't have been on the Autumn, so Halo: CE wouldn't have happened.

Why schedule a mission to capture a prophet, when there's a full scale invasion of Humanities second most important planet?

Sources: Halo: Reach, Fall of Reach

Operation RED FLAG may have been initiated anyway after the UNSC and ONI recognized that Reach was becoming a losing battle. According to Jun, Spartans Red, Gauntlet and Echo Teams were evacuating civilians. This prompts Kat to ask if they had already lost.

If this is the same Red Team led by Fred, they could have done some ground engagements, evacuated the civilians, and attended the meeting for RED FLAG. With Reach practically in it's final days, the UNSC may have decided it would be more viable to send the Spartans they had left on an operation to capture a Prophet.

The Spartans in Red Team and Blue Team board the Autumn and prepare to flee. They get a signal from the Circumference, which could very well be part of the initial 66% of the UNSC fleet that arrived at Reach, possibly to do recon in space. During the battle it may have gotten damaged and gone aboard the space station to get repaired. However, before repairs could be finalized the station is being targeted by the Covenant. The AI could fail to wipe the NAV databases, Blue Team is sent in, and Red Team could still go planetside to protect the Orbital MAC generators.

Meanwhile, the Autumn could land at Azsod and recover Cortana's fragment. And before anyone calls into question about Chief being in the cutscene, it's an obvious Easter egg considering you can only see him by shifting the camera.

Autmumn leaves Aszod, picks up Chief, Linda, and Johnson and his men and leave Reach.

In the end, it would seem the only changes would be in circumstances, ie the meeting occurring during the battle and not before.


How do people convince themselves of this crap? So let's assume that they decide to send all the Spartan IIs off to capture the prophets, given that they realize Reach will fall and they needed an advantage to force a truce...WHY THE HELL would they make the Spartans come back?

There were more than 20 Spartan IIs on Reach during the entire invasion, starting from July 24th to August 30th. Spartan IIs are the most elite operatives the UNSC had on hand, and yet somehow Noble Team was given the most important missions prior to the arrival of the Covenant Fleet, and the Spartan IIs instead get civilian evac? Are you serious? That's like using a tank to open a locked wooden door. That's bad story telling...

  • 03.17.2011 10:43 PM PDT