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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: Beowolfe
There were more than 20 Spartan IIs on Reach during the entire invasion, starting from July 24th to August 30th. Spartan IIs are the most elite operatives the UNSC had on hand, and yet somehow Noble Team was given the most important missions prior to the arrival of the Covenant Fleet, and the Spartan IIs instead get civilian evac? Are you serious? That's like using a tank to open a locked wooden door. That's bad story telling...
Are you forgetting about Jorge. Besides, the only members of Noble Team that participated was Jorge (The Spartan II) and Noble 6 (The only Spartan that actually knows how to fly the thing on the spot).

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Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: Beowolfe
There were more than 20 Spartan IIs on Reach during the entire invasion, starting from July 24th to August 30th. Spartan IIs are the most elite operatives the UNSC had on hand, and yet somehow Noble Team was given the most important missions prior to the arrival of the Covenant Fleet, and the Spartan IIs instead get civilian evac? Are you serious? That's like using a tank to open a locked wooden door. That's bad story telling...
Are you forgetting about Jorge. Besides, the only members of Noble Team that participated was Jorge (The Spartan II) and Noble 6 (The only Spartan that actually knows how to fly the thing on the spot).

No, I'm not forgetting about Jorge, but he's part of Noble Team, and there are another 20-30 Spartan IIs on Reach aside from him.

Noble 6 knows how to fly the Saber, but really, was this particular skillset needed? The Sabers were essentially escorts, it's not like the plan would fail without the Sabers.
This is Reach we're talking about, UNSC's fortress among the stars...and yet the best counter-attack came from Kat, instead of the hundreds if not thousands of strategic-minded individuals undoubtedly still on the planet. There were AIs there too, and somehow none of them came up with a plan before Kat did?

Bungie told the story as if Noble Team were the only asset on Reach, that's just bad planning.

  • 03.17.2011 11:00 PM PDT

Or, as they were coming up with a plan Kat created hers and presented it. Seeing it as the best option (High reward, low risk), they went with it.

  • 03.17.2011 11:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Noble 6 knows how to fly the Saber, but really, was this particular skillset needed? The Sabers were essentially escorts, it's not like the plan would fail without the Sabers.
Longswords aren't anywhere near as agile as Sabres are. Besides, that (Sabre) is a rather complicated piece of technology. One that no Spartan II had the training for.

Anyways, how is it a good idea to load up a bunch of Spartan II's (Which would most likely be sent in in Pelicans, anyways) and send them right into the Covenant's firing range?

This is Reach we're talking about, UNSC's fortress among the stars...and yet the best counter-attack came from Kat, instead of the hundreds if not thousands of strategic-minded individuals undoubtedly still on the planet. There were AIs there too, and somehow none of them came up with a plan before Kat did?All Kat did was come up with a rough outline of the plan. All of the finer details were from the higher ups. It wasn't Kat's idea to hijack a Corvette, etc.

Anyways, sometimes it takes a single person's intuition to develope rough outlines of these things. Afterall, the Lightbulb was a lab curiosity for around 80 years, not efficient enough to be anything but, until Edison perfected the design.

Bungie told the story as if Noble Team were the only asset on Reach, that's just bad planning.They never felt that way for me. We didn't see Red Team defend the ODP Generators. Nor did we see Blue Team's mission at the Circumference. Hell, we only seen one city get destroyed, and we didn't see the other battles that the UNSC Army/Marine Corp/ Air Force/ Wet and Orbital Navy.

[Edited on 03.17.2011 11:13 PM PDT]

  • 03.17.2011 11:13 PM PDT

Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

  • 03.18.2011 6:55 AM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.


Just because it was a military stronghold doesn't mean there aren't civilians. Hell, seeing as Reach was one of the first colonies, a civilian population is fine. I also figure a good many of them either work in farms, mines, or construction yards.

I don't see why the sabers couldn't exist. UNSC wanted to get the shield systems on other things as well. Spartan, then a Saber.

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.


Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Vegerot
Got a problem with what I just said? Complain here, http://www.halopedian.com/Talk:Halo:_Reach !
I couldn't tell where what you were saying and who you were trying to quote without the quoteboxes began. Therefore I didn't read your incomprehensible wall of text.


I couldn't tell either, I tried reading it, but due to it being incomprehensible I just skimmed it.


EDIT: Ok, reading it on the talk page for Halo: Reach on Halopedian, it is obvious now whose side you fall on or lean more too, welcome to the team Vegerot :) *shakes hand*

Thanks, it's nice to discuss Halo with the people who know more or less as much as I do. I'm sorry for not replying to your comments earlier, but I forgot about this entirely until just now. So is there any way to "Subscribe" to a topic, so I can get e-mails when there is a reply?
I believe we pretty much covered everything at Halopedia. If you have a serious question, try asking it at Halopedian.com. Not trying to dis Bungie.net, but at Halopedian, we've all read all of the books and stuff, so you'll get an answer fast. And we're all mostly dedicated to Bungie, so we won't start hating on you because of your question.
But I'll start checking this forum regularly to further combat this infestation of Bungie-haters. It's okay to ask questions like, "I was playing Reach and I was wondering, how is the PIllar of Autumn on the ground. I found that strange, any explanations?" But don't say it like this, "OMG OMG OMG! I WAS PLAYING HALO3: REACH, and like the PoA was on the ground and i was like, OMG OMG OMG! HALO3: REACH IS NOT CANON! BUNGIE SUCKS, BUNGIE IS SUPER RETARDED!!!!!". Please, for the sake of all of us, be mature :\.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

1. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (we use that line so many times every day on Halopedia it isn't even funny) (look it up on Google if you don't understand).
2.I don't know that much about the military, but don't they have "Military Bases", where the family of the person in the Military can come and live? If so, then that would explain the civilians, as they are the family of the Military personnel on Reach.

[Edited on 03.18.2011 8:48 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Plasma3150

Longswords aren't anywhere near as agile as Sabres are. Besides, that (Sabre) is a rather complicated piece of technology. One that no Spartan II had the training for.

Anyways, how is it a good idea to load up a bunch of Spartan II's (Which would most likely be sent in in Pelicans, anyways) and send them right into the Covenant's firing range?


Longswords may not be as agile, but they are a lot more powerful...You know, since they are used to harass capital ships? The only real advantage that the sabres had was their energy shield. This is besides the point, however, how does the Sabre being agile has anything to do with the success of the mission? As I said before, they were nice to have, but not required.

And are you serious? Load a bunch of Spartan IIs up and fly straight towards the enemy lines? That's a horrible plan. Obviously if Bungie or any other story teller was going to tell the story with Spartan IIs, they would come up with a plausible plot.


All Kat did was come up with a rough outline of the plan. All of the finer details were from the higher ups. It wasn't Kat's idea to hijack a Corvette, etc.

Anyways, sometimes it takes a single person's intuition to develope rough outlines of these things. Afterall, the Lightbulb was a lab curiosity for around 80 years, not efficient enough to be anything but, until Edison perfected the design.


It doesn't really matter if Kat came up with the complete plan now does it? The point is that there is at least a day in between discovering the Supercarrier and the execution of Kat's counterattack, and yet the best possible idea came from Kat? Let me remind you again. Reach. Military Stronghold. Strategists. Spartan IIs. AIs, "dumb" ones and "smart" ones. Any of the last 3 could have came up with a plan within hours of finding the Supercarrier.

Honestly, a large part of this is based on "Reach doesn't have any nukes", which in itself is flawed logic; a poor excuse for a plot trigger.

And I'm pretty sure Edision didn't have AIs capable of millions of processes in a second.


They never felt that way for me. We didn't see Red Team defend the ODP Generators. Nor did we see Blue Team's mission at the Circumference. Hell, we only seen one city get destroyed, and we didn't see the other battles that the UNSC Army/Marine Corp/ Air Force/ Wet and Orbital Navy.


That's because your view of the battle is narrow. Those things you mentioned happened on the August 30th, the last day of the battle. So what were the Spartan IIs doing prior to that? Because it sure as hell doesn't look like their influence affected the battle during that time.

In First Strike, Fred led a team of 3 and blew up a Covenant (cruiser I believe) within hours of them landing on Reach, at which point they were all injured I might add. If the Spartan IIs were involved with operations against the Covenant scouting force on Reach, those Covenant corvettes would not have lasted for the entire 2 weeks.

Halo: Reach was not made for the campaign, it's pretty clear that's the case when you look at the game design decisions.





[Edited on 03.18.2011 2:28 PM PDT]

  • 03.18.2011 2:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Vegerot

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

1. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (we use that line so many times every day on Halopedia it isn't even funny) (look it up on Google if you don't understand).
2.I don't know that much about the military, but don't they have "Military Bases", where the family of the person in the Military can come and live? If so, then that would explain the civilians, as they are the family of the Military personnel on Reach.
For all intents and purposes, the entire planet is a giant military base and shipyard. Soldiers are flown to Reach via Slipspace. The only civilians I've heard of being there are possibly shipyard workers and "specialists" hired by the UNSC.

Saying that the soldiers' families need a place to live is like saying that the soldiers and specialists at Area 51 get to have their families live there.

  • 03.18.2011 3:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Vegerot
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Vegerot
Got a problem with what I just said? Complain here, http://www.halopedian.com/Talk:Halo:_Reach !
I couldn't tell where what you were saying and who you were trying to quote without the quoteboxes began. Therefore I didn't read your incomprehensible wall of text.


I couldn't tell either, I tried reading it, but due to it being incomprehensible I just skimmed it.


EDIT: Ok, reading it on the talk page for Halo: Reach on Halopedian, it is obvious now whose side you fall on or lean more too, welcome to the team Vegerot :) *shakes hand*

Thanks, it's nice to discuss Halo with the people who know more or less as much as I do. I'm sorry for not replying to your comments earlier, but I forgot about this entirely until just now. So is there any way to "Subscribe" to a topic, so I can get e-mails when there is a reply?
I believe we pretty much covered everything at Halopedia. If you have a serious question, try asking it at Halopedian.com. Not trying to dis Bungie.net, but at Halopedian, we've all read all of the books and stuff, so you'll get an answer fast. And we're all mostly dedicated to Bungie, so we won't start hating on you because of your question.
But I'll start checking this forum regularly to further combat this infestation of Bungie-haters. It's okay to ask questions like, "I was playing Reach and I was wondering, how is the PIllar of Autumn on the ground. I found that strange, any explanations?" But don't say it like this, "OMG OMG OMG! I WAS PLAYING HALO3: REACH, and like the PoA was on the ground and i was like, OMG OMG OMG! HALO3: REACH IS NOT CANON! BUNGIE SUCKS, BUNGIE IS SUPER RETARDED!!!!!". Please, for the sake of all of us, be mature :\.


It is indeed. As long as both sides try to keep up intelligent debate with minimal insults to intelligence or such like that it's very fun.

I don't believe there :/ You can save the thread though, so you won't ever have to go hunting for it. You just go to the side bar on the right and there should be a "save thread" option. After you save it you can go to your Bungie profile and find it under saved threads.

  • 03.18.2011 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beowolfe
So what were the Spartan IIs doing prior to that? Because it sure as hell doesn't look like their influence affected the battle during that time.

The Spartan-IIs may have been part of the 60% of the UNSC fleet that first arrived to defend Reach.

  • 03.18.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.[/quote]

Even though New Alexandria was mentioned in The Fall of Reach? That certainly signifies that Reach had plenty of civilian cities to evacuate.

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Posted by: Beowolfe
So what were the Spartan IIs doing prior to that? Because it sure as hell doesn't look like their influence affected the battle during that time.

The Spartan-IIs may have been part of the 60% of the UNSC fleet that first arrived to defend Reach.

So the Spartan-IIs knew that the planet was in danger already and yet somehow did not come up with a plan beforehand?

  • 03.18.2011 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Vegerot

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

1. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (we use that line so many times every day on Halopedia it isn't even funny) (look it up on Google if you don't understand).
2.I don't know that much about the military, but don't they have "Military Bases", where the family of the person in the Military can come and live? If so, then that would explain the civilians, as they are the family of the Military personnel on Reach.
For all intents and purposes, the entire planet is a giant military base and shipyard. Soldiers are flown to Reach via Slipspace. The only civilians I've heard of being there are possibly shipyard workers and "specialists" hired by the UNSC.

Saying that the soldiers' families need a place to live is like saying that the soldiers and specialists at Area 51 get to have their families live there.


Actually we have evidence of at least families of military members living on Reach in Halo Wars, or at least media tied to it. Captain Cutter's wife and daughter lived on Reach, so you can argue that "there are no civilians at all on Reach because it's a military planet" 'til you're blue in the face, but that won't change the facts that there are civilians living on Reach. And as someone else pointed out, I think it was DaeFaron, Reach was one of the UNSC's most important colonies, let me stress that COLONIES, just because it is the hub of the military does not mean that civilians do not live there.

Here's an example, the D.C. area is basically the official headquarters of the U.S. military by nature of the Pentagon being there, and yet civilians live in the D.C. area too, just because something is the military hub of a government/nation does not mean that people not in the military don't live there as well.

Vegerot is completely right the absence of something is not evidence it is not there. Like in Halo 3 we only see Covenant forces concentrated in East Africa, but common sense would say that they probably didn't just focus on the area around Mombasa and the Artifact, because that would not be good strategy to just leave yourself open to attack like that, you'd send some ships out to weaken your adversary and whittle down his defenses while you get yourself entrenched.

  • 03.18.2011 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Beowolfe
So what were the Spartan IIs doing prior to that? Because it sure as hell doesn't look like their influence affected the battle during that time.

The Spartan-IIs may have been part of the 60% of the UNSC fleet that first arrived to defend Reach.

So the Spartan-IIs knew that the planet was in danger already and yet somehow did not come up with a plan beforehand?

Kat's plan is proposed during the 12th or August, the S-IIs would have arrived during the 14th. By then any plan they would've had would have been a no-go.

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Vegerot

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

1. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (we use that line so many times every day on Halopedia it isn't even funny) (look it up on Google if you don't understand).
2.I don't know that much about the military, but don't they have "Military Bases", where the family of the person in the Military can come and live? If so, then that would explain the civilians, as they are the family of the Military personnel on Reach.
For all intents and purposes, the entire planet is a giant military base and shipyard. Soldiers are flown to Reach via Slipspace. The only civilians I've heard of being there are possibly shipyard workers and "specialists" hired by the UNSC.

Saying that the soldiers' families need a place to live is like saying that the soldiers and specialists at Area 51 get to have their families live there.


Actually we have evidence of at least families of military members living on Reach in Halo Wars, or at least media tied to it. Captain Cutter's wife and daughter lived on Reach, so you can argue that "there are no civilians at all on Reach because it's a military planet" 'til you're blue in the face, but that won't change the facts that there are civilians living on Reach. And as someone else pointed out, I think it was DaeFaron, Reach was one of the UNSC's most important colonies, let me stress that COLONIES, just because it is the hub of the military does not mean that civilians do not live there.

Here's an example, the D.C. area is basically the official headquarters of the U.S. military by nature of the Pentagon being there, and yet civilians live in the D.C. area too, just because something is the military hub of a government/nation does not mean that people not in the military don't live there as well.

Vegerot is completely right the absence of something is not evidence it is not there. Like in Halo 3 we only see Covenant forces concentrated in East Africa, but common sense would say that they probably didn't just focus on the area around Mombasa and the Artifact, because that would not be good strategy to just leave yourself open to attack like that, you'd send some ships out to weaken your adversary and whittle down his defenses while you get yourself entrenched.

We don't know what Cutter's wife works as.

  • 03.18.2011 5:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: Beowolfe
Bungie told the story as if Noble Team were the only asset on Reach, that's just bad planning.
They never felt that way for me. We didn't see Red Team defend the ODP Generators. Nor did we see Blue Team's mission at the Circumference. Hell, we only seen one city get destroyed, and we didn't see the other battles that the UNSC Army/Marine Corp/ Air Force/ Wet and Orbital Navy.

He said that's how they told the story.

  • 03.18.2011 5:47 PM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: OrderedComa

Actually we have evidence of at least families of military members living on Reach in Halo Wars, or at least media tied to it. Captain Cutter's wife and daughter lived on Reach, so you can argue that "there are no civilians at all on Reach because it's a military planet" 'til you're blue in the face, but that won't change the facts that there are civilians living on Reach. And as someone else pointed out, I think it was DaeFaron, Reach was one of the UNSC's most important colonies, let me stress that COLONIES, just because it is the hub of the military does not mean that civilians do not live there.

Here's an example, the D.C. area is basically the official headquarters of the U.S. military by nature of the Pentagon being there, and yet civilians live in the D.C. area too, just because something is the military hub of a government/nation does not mean that people not in the military don't live there as well.

Vegerot is completely right the absence of something is not evidence it is not there. Like in Halo 3 we only see Covenant forces concentrated in East Africa, but common sense would say that they probably didn't just focus on the area around Mombasa and the Artifact, because that would not be good strategy to just leave yourself open to attack like that, you'd send some ships out to weaken your adversary and whittle down his defenses while you get yourself entrenched.

We don't know what Cutter's wife works as.


She looks like a Civilian to me.

She probably would have been in uniform when the picture was taken if she was in the military, which I don't think is likely, she doesn't have the air of the military to her, even if she's not a "stay at home" kind of mother, I highly doubt the military is her career path.

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Hmm, I've been following this thread since it began, and many of the thoughts expressed mirror my own [the ones that make sense any who :D ]

Despite the fact that Reach [the game] essentially destroys ten years of cannon is somewhat upsetting, yes, particularly since I've followed the deeper story for the duration of it's existence [nearly half my life] but the more I play the game, the more I get pulled over to the side of acceptance.

As it stands, I don't play Reach because I love the story and the campaign is super-dooper long and immersive [because it really isn't] but the game is pretty darn fun! That's why I keep playing. I'm trying to find a balance between enjoyment and satisfaction here.

I agree with a previous statement [see above posts] that essentially says: Reach wasn't made for it's campaign. That is so very true in this case. The game has evolved into a multiplayer domain, more so than a single player experience.

I might also point out that as Halo is no longer in the hands of it's creator, our beloved Bungie, the story is no longer under their control either. Just a side thought.

Anyway, I'll keep playing, but I've come to ignore the story as portrayed in Reach. It's too disheartening to accept the dramatic change to the story and universe I have come to love over the last ten years. The books override the games for me :)

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  • 03.18.2011 6:49 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Vegerot

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: chickenlittle
Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

1. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (we use that line so many times every day on Halopedia it isn't even funny) (look it up on Google if you don't understand).
2.I don't know that much about the military, but don't they have "Military Bases", where the family of the person in the Military can come and live? If so, then that would explain the civilians, as they are the family of the Military personnel on Reach.
For all intents and purposes, the entire planet is a giant military base and shipyard. Soldiers are flown to Reach via Slipspace. The only civilians I've heard of being there are possibly shipyard workers and "specialists" hired by the UNSC.

Saying that the soldiers' families need a place to live is like saying that the soldiers and specialists at Area 51 get to have their families live there.


Actually we have evidence of at least families of military members living on Reach in Halo Wars, or at least media tied to it. Captain Cutter's wife and daughter lived on Reach, so you can argue that "there are no civilians at all on Reach because it's a military planet" 'til you're blue in the face, but that won't change the facts that there are civilians living on Reach. And as someone else pointed out, I think it was DaeFaron, Reach was one of the UNSC's most important colonies, let me stress that COLONIES, just because it is the hub of the military does not mean that civilians do not live there.
With the incomplete information we have, it is impossible to prove that it is true. It's what makes sense. You could have a massive military installation, complete with hundreds of thousands, to millions of personnel there. It's the main training and R&D grounds for the entire UNSC, in addition to ONI's headquarters. It's also major shipyard. It's far, far easier to maintain a secure environment when you keep the entire planet off-limits, instead of having to worry about threats a few kilometres away in a city. Again, I'll use the Area 51 analogy. There is a massive area around it that nobody is allowed near. This is because it is exclusively a military installation.

Here's an example, the D.C. area is basically the official headquarters of the U.S. military by nature of the Pentagon being there, and yet civilians live in the D.C. area too, just because something is the military hub of a government/nation does not mean that people not in the military don't live there as well.It's quite a different analogy. The D.C. area has always been one of the major population centres in the U.S., the millions of people are not going to be kicked out when the surrounding area don't have all that much room; whereas in the Halo universe, there are dozens of low populace planets to choose instead. There are also hundreds if not thousands of civilians who do contract and salary work at the Pentagon. Also, from what I've heard, the Pentagon doesn't have numerous rocket turrets, tanks, helicopters, artillery, etc. actively defending it.

Vegerot is completely right the absence of something is not evidence it is not there. Like in Halo 3 we only see Covenant forces concentrated in East Africa, but common sense would say that they probably didn't just focus on the area around Mombasa and the Artifact, because that would not be good strategy to just leave yourself open to attack like that, you'd send some ships out to weaken your adversary and whittle down his defenses while you get yourself entrenched.Absence of evidence is most certainly not evidence of absence. However, when something makes much more sense a certain way, that's usually the solution. All of I've seen and heard about the Mombasa thing indicates to me that Truth destroyed the defenses of Earth, then ignored the rest of the planet. This does not make sense, and he should have sent other ships to harass other defending elements of the human fleet so- Wait. That makes no sense either! The human fleets would have been hunted down and obliterated, yet they were not. Uh-oh! Still, the lack of attacks on other continents is also absence of evidence.

  • 03.18.2011 11:32 PM PDT

What about the live action trailers? The farmhouse one and the one of the city?

Those looked like civilian population to me.

New Alexandria? Didn't look like a military city to me.

Infact, I have NEVER gotten the feeling that Reach was a solely military populated world.

[Edited on 03.18.2011 11:44 PM PDT]

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Vegerot

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Sabres, logistically, should not exist. The UNSC could only power shields for a single person, which required a fusion generator in itself. This is stated in the novels.

And Reach was a military world. There shouldn't have been any "cities" of civilians to evacuate.

Reach wasn't always a military world but grew into one, even if it wasn't their has to be a place for familys to live and to have a population.

1. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (we use that line so many times every day on Halopedia it isn't even funny) (look it up on Google if you don't understand).
2.I don't know that much about the military, but don't they have "Military Bases", where the family of the person in the Military can come and live? If so, then that would explain the civilians, as they are the family of the Military personnel on Reach.
For all intents and purposes, the entire planet is a giant military base and shipyard. Soldiers are flown to Reach via Slipspace. The only civilians I've heard of being there are possibly shipyard workers and "specialists" hired by the UNSC.

Saying that the soldiers' families need a place to live is like saying that the soldiers and specialists at Area 51 get to have their families live there.


Just because Reach was a military hub doesn't mean that civilians can't live on the planet.

Since we're using real life examples I'll bring up Fort Benning. Its where a large portion of Army Ranger training takes place, has a sniper school, tank and artillery training and firing ranges, where R&D for new weapons are sometimes tested, but still has huge neighborhoods for soldiers families to live, and places where they can work and shop.

  • 03.19.2011 1:35 AM PDT