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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: OrderedComa

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Posted by: Evil Johnny
The letter thing is interesting... but the problem is that it's classified material, it can't really work out to boost the morale. Though that doesn't mean things are more accurate or that ONI didn't change things to their advantage to the people who are concerned with the interactive disc.


Well, by the time of the letter + 'disk' being sent, I don't think they would need or care to 'make things look better' for morale, as the war was over.

It's ONI.

Either way, we don't know for sure if the Halo: Reach story is real, but we do know for sure that The Fall of Reach story is actually real.


I'm in agreement with the people saying "why would ONI need to fudge up the details if the war is over" also, why would they be keeping it secret from someone of either superior or of equal position to the sender of the letter? Especially since it makes it clear in the letter that the Spartans in the account are SIIIs, which were supposed to be a complete secret.

I think it's fairly obvious that Reach is completely true, as is TFoR, especially since that letter comes right out and say "This is the most complete account of the Fall of Reach that we have compiled.".


Another fact, if we can think ONI fudged up details of Halo Reach (canon wise for some reason.) then why wouldn't they do the same for The Fall of Reach?

Again, this is after the war (A long time maybe, haven't checked to see if the letter is dated.), so it wouldn't harm morale at all. Hell, it'd show civilians what truly went on, as during the war they tried to make it less gruesome.

Notice also how in the letter it references "So higher ups may still not like this information being released." (From memory). Why would they not like that if it wasn't true information?

  • 03.22.2011 10:44 AM PDT

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yet.


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Evil Johnny
The letter thing is interesting... but the problem is that it's classified material, it can't really work out to boost the morale. Though that doesn't mean things are more accurate or that ONI didn't change things to their advantage to the people who are concerned with the interactive disc.


Well, by the time of the letter + 'disk' being sent, I don't think they would need or care to 'make things look better' for morale, as the war was over.

It's ONI.

Either way, we don't know for sure if the Halo: Reach story is real, but we do know for sure that The Fall of Reach story is actually real.


I'm in agreement with the people saying "why would ONI need to fudge up the details if the war is over" also, why would they be keeping it secret from someone of either superior or of equal position to the sender of the letter? Especially since it makes it clear in the letter that the Spartans in the account are SIIIs, which were supposed to be a complete secret.

I think it's fairly obvious that Reach is completely true, as is TFoR, especially since that letter comes right out and say "This is the most complete account of the Fall of Reach that we have compiled.".


Another fact, if we can think ONI fudged up details of Halo Reach (canon wise for some reason.) then why wouldn't they do the same for The Fall of Reach?

Again, this is after the war (A long time maybe, haven't checked to see if the letter is dated.), so it wouldn't harm morale at all. Hell, it'd show civilians what truly went on, as during the war they tried to make it less gruesome.

Notice also how in the letter it references "So higher ups may still not like this information being released." (From memory). Why would they not like that if it wasn't true information?

We'll just have to go by 100% instead of the unknow for now.

  • 03.22.2011 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Notice also how in the letter it references "So higher ups may still not like this information being released." (From memory). Why would they not like that if it wasn't true information?


The letter is dated 2581.(I think.)

There are reasons for keeping information out of public hands. Much like how Americans still don't know every detail of every war that goes on. Many things are still dark to us.

  • 03.22.2011 12:20 PM PDT

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BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Notice also how in the letter it references "So higher ups may still not like this information being released." (From memory). Why would they not like that if it wasn't true information?


The letter is dated 2581.(I think.)

There are reasons for keeping information out of public hands. Much like how Americans still don't know every detail of every war that goes on. Many things are still dark to us.



This. There are things committed in every war that no people need to know. The Fall of Reach is one of those things.

It's best left unsaid, or at the very least, edited to look mildly positive. Would you want to know every gruesome little detail of WW2? I assume the people in the future would not want to know how the Covenant obliterated Reach.

  • 03.22.2011 1:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Notice also how in the letter it references "So higher ups may still not like this information being released." (From memory). Why would they not like that if it wasn't true information?


The letter is dated 2581.(I think.)

There are reasons for keeping information out of public hands. Much like how Americans still don't know every detail of every war that goes on. Many things are still dark to us.



This. There are things committed in every war that no people need to know. The Fall of Reach is one of those things.

It's best left unsaid, or at the very least, edited to look mildly positive. Would you want to know every gruesome little detail of WW2? I assume the people in the future would not want to know how the Covenant obliterated Reach.


I personally wouldn't, but that doesn't mean they make the battles look better in museums.

They tell near-full details of a lot of really terrible things from WW2, why would the human-covenant war be different after it ends?

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  • 03.22.2011 1:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

I personally wouldn't, but that doesn't mean they make the battles look better in museums.

They tell near-full details of a lot of really terrible things from WW2, why would the human-covenant war be different after it ends?


There are still many many details about WWII battles that we know nothing about. There are details from Vietnam we know nothing about. And we likely never will.

The letter is dated less than thirty years after the war is over. It's been 70 years since WWII and we're STILL getting new information about various battles and such.

Reach was a bloodbath. Humanities stronghold fell in a single day. Halo: Reach portrays the battle almost in the UNSC's favor. We held our ground for weeks and had proper evacuations in the game. And it showed that a single team made all the difference in the war because of the sacrifice they made.

This varies from what the book says. The game ends on a positive note. The novel, does not.

  • 03.22.2011 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Privet Caboose
There are still many many details about WWII battles that we know nothing about. There are details from Vietnam we know nothing about. And we likely never will.

The letter is dated less than thirty years after the war is over. It's been 70 years since WWII and we're STILL getting new information about various battles and such.

Reach was a bloodbath. Humanities stronghold fell in a single day. Halo: Reach portrays the battle almost in the UNSC's favor. We held our ground for weeks and had proper evacuations in the game. And it showed that a single team made all the difference in the war because of the sacrifice they made.


This varies from what the book says. The game ends on a positive note. The novel, does not.


Depends on where you choose to end it. First Strike actually expounds on Reach's fate in the Prologue and up untill the Slipspace battle within FS.

[Edited on 03.22.2011 2:28 PM PDT]

  • 03.22.2011 2:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Another fact, if we can think ONI fudged up details of Halo Reach (canon wise for some reason.) then why wouldn't they do the same for The Fall of Reach?


Because Reach is a book, an objective view on the conflict rather than the subjective one of the interactive disc, since it's "the most accurate account". People have made the interactive disc to fit what they know about the war, it doesn't mean they know everything or some details can't wrong. The book on the other hand, is not some document ONI released or something, it was written by an author, a "God" from the perspective of the universe.

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  • 03.22.2011 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Notice also how in the letter it references "So higher ups may still not like this information being released." (From memory). Why would they not like that if it wasn't true information?


The letter is dated 2581.(I think.)

There are reasons for keeping information out of public hands. Much like how Americans still don't know every detail of every war that goes on. Many things are still dark to us.



This. There are things committed in every war that no people need to know. The Fall of Reach is one of those things.

It's best left unsaid, or at the very least, edited to look mildly positive. Would you want to know every gruesome little detail of WW2? I assume the people in the future would not want to know how the Covenant obliterated Reach.


So what? As far as we know (there aren't any hints of it in the letter) the account is not being released to the public, it is information being passed between two member of ONI, why would they be changing something as trivial as the timeline of the Battle of Reach if they're both part of ONI and would already know the truth about the length of the battle? It'd just be silly and making themselves look bad, now maybe some deeds of Noble might have been tweaked, or the matter of some of their deaths, for reasons you and others have pointed out about war, but there is almost no likelihood of ONI higher ups (as the two in the letter seem to be) not knowing the true timeline of Reach's fall.

  • 03.22.2011 3:57 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I just re-read the letter. It's dated 2610.

Also, this file IS public. The crate is being given to the writer of the letter's cousin. Infact, he even tells his cousin to give it to the museum.

  • 03.22.2011 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
but there is almost no likelihood of ONI higher ups (as the two in the letter seem to be) not knowing the true timeline of Reach's fall.


Missing or inaccurate information? Everything can't always been known, some things holding valuable information might have been destroyed. Anyway, do you think Halsey told ONI everything that happened with Noble team since the events on The Package? For all we know, ONI could only know that one spartan of Noble Team gave something to captain Keyes, the rest could've been guessed or corners cut short.

  • 03.22.2011 4:14 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Halo: Reach being nothing more than Propaganda actually solves every single issue.

It also explains why Jun isn't alive during First Strike.

  • 03.22.2011 4:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Evil Johnny

Posted by: OrderedComa
but there is almost no likelihood of ONI higher ups (as the two in the letter seem to be) not knowing the true timeline of Reach's fall.


Missing or inaccurate information? Everything can't always been known, some things holding valuable information might have been destroyed. Anyway, do you think Halsey told ONI everything that happened with Noble team since the events on The Package? For all we know, ONI could only know that one spartan of Noble Team gave something to captain Keyes, the rest could've been guessed or corners cut short.


I wasn't talking about what happens, I was talking about the length of the battle, IE one month, or one day, or 100 years. I'm saying that no ONI higher up would not know the truth about how long the battle lasted, and that lying about it to another ONI spook would only make yourself look stupid.

  • 03.22.2011 4:24 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Evil Johnny

Posted by: OrderedComa
but there is almost no likelihood of ONI higher ups (as the two in the letter seem to be) not knowing the true timeline of Reach's fall.


Missing or inaccurate information? Everything can't always been known, some things holding valuable information might have been destroyed. Anyway, do you think Halsey told ONI everything that happened with Noble team since the events on The Package? For all we know, ONI could only know that one spartan of Noble Team gave something to captain Keyes, the rest could've been guessed or corners cut short.


I wasn't talking about what happens, I was talking about the length of the battle, IE one month, or one day, or 100 years. I'm saying that no ONI higher up would not know the truth about how long the battle lasted, and that lying about it to another ONI spook would only make yourself look stupid.


But it wasn't written to a spook. The letter I've got, straight out of my Legendary Crate, is headed; "Dear Cousin," and ends with, "~A friend."

  • 03.22.2011 4:31 PM PDT
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Not sure if this question has been asked or not (still working my way through the thread).

What is so worth defending on Reach that the UNSC made it their military hub instead of Earth? Isn't the purpose of the military supposed to be to protect the civilian population? I thought that Earth would have the greatest population (populated first)--therefore it would have needed the greatest military presence.

Just throwing this out here--it's almost like the UNSC were trying to make the Covenant think that Reach was humanity's homeworld. If that's the case, then they would need a large civilian population as bait--no wonder ONI and the UNSC don't want anyone to know the true story of Reach.

Here's something I have a little difficulty with...how did the UNSC build 300 supermac cannons in only a few months (for defense of Earth)? If the UNSC had such building capabilities, then why weren't there more ships/supermac cannons at Reach?

If the UNSC doesn't have such capabilities...Reach is the hub of the UNSC, that means it has the larger military force, correct?

Earth was attacked by a series of major Covenant forces--it is possible that some waves were larger than the one sent to Reach, correct?
If so, then Earth was still able to survive long enough for Master Chief to complete his missions in Halo 2, get back to Earth on the Forerunner Keyship that was gathering Covenant forces, particapate in the battle and complete his mission on Halo 3.
If not, then why were the Covenant so stupid not to gather reinforcements???
Basically, (I can't remember the exact length of time) this means that Earth must have held out for weeks, if not months, against successive waves of Covenant forces that probably included some as large as the one sent to Reach.

Reach was attacked (if we can believe our information), by a scouting force, followed by a single massive Covenant fleet. If Earth held out for weeks, if not months, then how is it possible that Reach, the military stronghold of the UNSC, only lasted for one day?????????? HOW????

I've heard people say that maybe the Covenant "didn't want to glass Earth because they didn't want to harm the Ark," but what stops the Covenant from taking out Earth's fleet and glassing the area everywhere but the supposed Ark.

ONI squashing the information about the Covenant already being on Reach is a good idea...I mean, if they shut down the internet in an area, and stopped satellites from receiving phone calls from an area, and so on, then it would be very hard for the rest of the planet to know about the Covenant.

I also thought that the Spire(s) on the ground was how the Covenant supercarrier was "cloaked" (btw, it probably is cloaked, seeing as in real life anything that has a heat source that is greater than the temperature of space (-270 degrees Celsius) can be detected by passive sensors (remember, games are not always scientifically accurate):). Once one of the three were taken out, then --boom-- there goes that ship.
Anyway, that would have to be set up by Covenant ground forces on the planet atter the ship got there, so the Covenant would have to move quickly...

No, the UNSC would not have detected a ship coming out of slipspace. Remember, in the Fall of Reach, an ENTIRE COVENANT FLEET was mistaken as a "slipspace anomaly," eg. asteroid.
In Halo 2, the UNSC only detected that Covenant fleet because they weren't expecting any humans to be there.

The PoA landing on the planet...by this time, the space battle is probably all but lost (all space repair stations would have been destroyed), and Red Team would have already jumped. The PoA probably had massive battle damage. which I don't think we saw in Halo CE, or at the end of Reach.
The only reason it even managed to get off the planet was because of all those booster pods you see dropping away from the Autumn as it lifts off.

Landing on a planet to pick up an AI is probably a waste of resource. Landing on a planet to pick up an AI which contains "something on the revolutionary level of the conical bullet, or the invention of slipspace drive," is not a waste of resources. Any ideas on what that was, btw?

And while we're at it, did anyone read the extra info in the new editions of the books? Specifically the part about Cortana NOT talking about the Ark, or Halo 4B, as a way to stop the Flood? Any ideas on that?

  • 03.22.2011 6:44 PM PDT

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Reach "fell" in a day, technically.

The fleet in space lost within 2 hours, and any remaining ships fled. The UNSC didn't have enough ships to try and retake Reach, so they had ALL remaining UNSC ships fall back to Earth, and speed up production on the mac grid(it was already in progress of being built.)

The battle on the surface of Reach lasted weeks, while the planet was being glassed. It was mainly hit-and-run tactics from squads left on the ground. The planet wasn't glassed in a single day, it was glassed over a period of weeks, save for the territory around Castle Base.

Earth is a different story. Earth only managed to survive as long as it did because of luck.

The first fleet to attack earth, had 15 ships, two of them being Assault Carriers. The Mac grid remained intact and wiped out 14 ships while losing a mere two mac cannons. The second wave to attack Earth, was directly after Regret jumped off of Earth.

This fleet engaged the MAC grid and all of the remaining human forces. Other than Mombasa, who's MAC's had already been wiped out, the humans put up a great fight for an unspecified amount of time.

Once the MAC's were all but destroyed(after wiping out a sizable number of Covenant ships.) Earth was glassed and bombarded on all fronts.(Confirmed locations invaded: Cuba, Antarctica, Cleveland, Africa.)

Earth was in ruins once the chief returned. (The Forerunner dreadnought, and Truths remaining ships, stopped at Mars before returning to Earth, which gave Humanity some extra time to rally with the Elites on Earth.)

Truth opened the portal, and all of his remaining ships went through the portal, and the elites followed. Que: Halo 3.



Earth had completely different circumstances than Reach.

  • 03.22.2011 7:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Astronut7
What is so worth defending on Reach that the UNSC made it their military hub instead of Earth? Isn't the purpose of the military supposed to be to protect the civilian population? I thought that Earth would have the greatest population (populated first)--therefore it would have needed the greatest military presence.


Not necessarily. We could give the example with big American or Canadian army bases. Usually (at least here in Canada) the biggest bases are in small cities/towns; Valcartier is small city in the mountains, not that far from the province's capital (an hour of road), you have another base in a small town on a river's shores, another one in one of the Easternmost provinces, the "less important" of the whole country. You don't need to defend anyone to have a strong military presence, most of the time it's to build an army, to be a hub where you send groups here and there to defend colonies and such. Reach is just a planet that turned into a military machine, so all the resources on building an army are directed to the same place, making other planets use more optimally all their available resources for other needs such as agriculture.

Just throwing this out here--it's almost like the UNSC were trying to make the Covenant think that Reach was humanity's homeworld. If that's the case, then they would need a large civilian population as bait--no wonder ONI and the UNSC don't want anyone to know the true story of Reach.

How? As far as I know the attack was a total surprise.


Here's something I have a little difficulty with...how did the UNSC build 300 supermac cannons in only a few months (for defense of Earth)? If the UNSC had such building capabilities, then why weren't there more ships/supermac cannons at Reach?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember they were there, only Bungie made Reach's space look deserted while it was not. There was quite some space combat in The Fall of Reach.


The PoA landing on the planet...by this time, the space battle is probably all but lost (all space repair stations would have been destroyed), and Red Team would have already jumped. The PoA probably had massive battle damage. which I don't think we saw in Halo CE, or at the end of Reach.
The only reason it even managed to get off the planet was because of all those booster pods you see dropping away from the Autumn as it lifts off.


Have you read The Fall of Reach? The only reason the PoA would've been docked on Reach, would've been for the package. In the book, the ship was in space during the whole thing, so if the PoA stayed on Reach not to get any damage, it would contradict the events of the book. The PoA WAS docked at a station (in space) for repairs. I'm pretty confident the onlyreason the PoA was on Reach in the game was for fan service. 1. You get to see the PoA with your eyes, as Captain Keyes. 2. You get to see, and carry, a splice of Cortana. Had it not be for those events, I'd be highly surprised they'd have changed anything about the PoA.

And to what you said subsequently, the PoA left Reach while there was still the space battle. It fled during combat, so not all was already lost.

Landing on a planet to pick up an AI is probably a waste of resource. Landing on a planet to pick up an AI which contains "something on the revolutionary level of the conical bullet, or the invention of slipspace drive," is not a waste of resources. Any ideas on what that was, btw?

I think it was obvious fan service. Otherwise why do all this without even explaining what was exactly the latchkey, how it was so important? Hell, you don't even know WHY your actions were important to the rest of the war, how the events of the game had any incident on the rest of the series, you only know it was important. Cortana NEVER said anything about a latchkey or information gathered on Reach either.

And while we're at it, did anyone read the extra info in the new editions of the books? Specifically the part about Cortana NOT talking about the Ark, or Halo 4B, as a way to stop the Flood? Any ideas on that?

Do you know where to find the info about what was added in the reissues?

  • 03.22.2011 7:51 PM PDT

@Astronut
Reach was the military stronghold and hub for humanity because it had all the proper resources and such for building ships and the like, makes perfect sense to make your main base near where your primary resources to create your military war machine are. And Reach had very heavy mineral deposits for ship/vehicle building. That's why it was the UNSC's main military stronghold, it also had a strategic value if I remember correctly.

I would assume that they didn't know that 20 SMACs was not enough to stop the Covenant, and the fleet(s) at Reach was huge anyway, they buffed up Earth's defenses after Reach fell. Building a SMAC station would not be that hard, they're essentially just a station of varying sizes built around an extremely powerful MAC cannon.

Yeah, what Caboose said, after Reach nearly all of the UNSC fleet was called back to Earth or the Sol system, so when Regret finally came to call, they had a much stronger force at Earth than they did at Reach. And also the space of time between H2 and H3 is not that long, two weeks at most? Anyway, the Covenant did not have many forces at Earth until Truth came with the Dreadnought and whatever forces he gathered. And in any case, the Fleet of Particular Justice was the largest Covenant fleet the UNSC had ever seen at one time, except for maybe High Charity's defense fleet, so there weren't any waves at Earth larger than the Fleet of Particular Justice.

The Battle of Reach, including the fighting with the scouting force on the LNoS, which would be easily dispatched imo, lasted about a whole month. The battle really started however on the 14th of August, when the advance guard, or whatever it was, of the Fleet of Particular Justice arrived, and then things went completely to hell when the main Covenant fleet arrived on the 30th of August. Reach didn't last a couple hours like in TFoR, I agree with you completely, that would be stupid, and the extending of the timeline that Bungie did makes a whole helluva lot more sense than TFoR's timeline for the battle ever did.

  • 03.22.2011 8:00 PM PDT

As for the battle at Earth, we should not forget either that the elites joined humanity when Truth came with reinforcements. So this helped Earth to have even stronger defenses, as well as reduce a bit the potential of the Covenant.

  • 03.22.2011 8:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Evil Johnny
As for the battle at Earth, we should not forget either that the elites joined humanity when Truth came with reinforcements. So this helped Earth to have even stronger defenses, as well as reduce a bit the potential of the Covenant.


Not only that, but the Covenant had thousands of warships when they invaded Reach, and by the time they were finished at Earth, the Loyalists forces were what, less than a couple hundred?

  • 03.22.2011 8:08 PM PDT
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Wow. Thanks for the quick response. Going to have to try and answer your questions a little later though.
First off, yes I have read the Fall of Reach. Three times. The last time being a couple of days ago. I am trying to reconcile the canon of the book and the game in my mind. After dealing with franchises like Star Wars, I have learnt that even books don't have a "God view."--unless it is specifically stated that they did not do something (by a trustworthy, not misinformed source of information), then any percieved "changes" in the canon are not canon issues.
@privet caboose
According to the canon I have seen, the Covenant fleet at Reach only had 314 warships, compared to Reach's 152. In one instance, the new edition of the Fall of Reach stated that the number of Covenant ships was about 700.
Earth apparently managed to last one month, btw. UNSC ships were still present at the end.
Maybe they didn't know 20 supermac cannons wouldn't be enough. But, true. I wouldn't stop building them, though--expecially seeing as, according to Halopedia, Earth was building 300 ODA's from the start of the Human-covenant war. If Reach was their second most-important asset, then why did they just build 20 there?

Again, it seems that Reach was thrown to the wolves. If it wasn't, then why didn't ONI think of it? It seems like something they would do to protect Earth.
The analogy with American military bases is a nice one. But aren't those bases also at strategic positions? Let's just say the Cole Protocol failed. The Covenant could just bypass Reach and head straight to Earth.

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  • 03.23.2011 4:37 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

The UNSC simply didn't have the resources. I don't know where you got the idea Earth had mac platforms from the start of the war though.

Reach and Earth were the only two planets that had the platforms at all. The supermacs were probably EXTREMELY costly to build. The only reason the 300 got finished so quickly after Reach fell, is because the UNSC just didn't have many ships left. The Supermacs were a better investment for defense, and seeing how well 20 macs worked at Reach, they simply poured all their assets into those macs.

I assure you one thing, Reach wasn't thrown to the wolves. (Though the game sure does make it seem that way.)

  • 03.23.2011 6:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Astronut7
I have learnt that even books don't have a "God view."--unless it is specifically stated that they did not do something (by a trustworthy, not misinformed source of information), then any percieved "changes" in the canon are not canon issues.


I'm not sure I understand, if it's not a "God view", what's the view? It is certainly not told by someone, or as a letter to someone... It just describes events from an outer, unbiased and objective perspective, that's what I meant by "God view". I'm not sure I understand how such view could be wrong, it would mean the "God" looks at the wrong thing.

As for the military bases, as far as I know the only strategic thing about them is being located far from big cities and in the wilderness. The wilderness provides huge and perfect areas for training troops. Being far from big centres make sure they don't bother anyone or anyone bothers them. A friend of mine is in the reserves, and considering all the time they spent walking in the woods, constructing shelters, digging, doing attacks and all, it would've been impossible to do somewhere without those geographical qualities. I guess in Reach's case, they have a lot of resources that enables them of doing military production, as good geography for training.

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  • 03.23.2011 9:07 AM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Halo: Reach being nothing more than Propaganda actually solves every single issue.

It also explains why Jun isn't alive during First Strike.


Best theory for now

  • 03.23.2011 9:32 AM PDT
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I'm not sure I understand, if it's not a "God view", what's the view? It is certainly not told by someone, or as a letter to someone... It just describes events from an outer, unbiased and objective perspective, that's what I meant by "God view". I'm not sure I understand how such view could be wrong, it would mean the "God" looks at the wrong thing.

It's not that the "God" is looking at the wrong thing, it's just that the "God" is choosing not to tell the reader/player something at that point in time.
As far as I know, if you look at any source of canon told from a "God" view, the "God" is usually only focusing on the thought processes of one character/what that character senses, before switching to another character. So, basically, despite the "God" knowing everything going on in the war at that time, it's restricted only to what one character is thinking/seeing at the moment--that's pretty much the only way that the "God" can impart all, or even most, of the relevant information to the reader.

  • 03.23.2011 2:21 PM PDT