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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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I beg to differ actually. I think that Jorge did NOT die like a SPARTAN-II. Which pissed me SO off after I played that level. SPARTAN-IIs are supposed to survive! To, "Live to fight another day." But Jorge sacrificed himself! It should have been SPARTAN-B312 that should have activated the bomb, a "disposable hero", not a SPARTAN-II!! Who else here was pissed off by that?!?


Not me. What kind of hero goes "Hey I have senority so you go stay behind and die for me while I survive. See ya!"

I mean really, what kind of train of thought is that....


^This.

Also, Six was just, if not possibly more, valuable an asset as Jorge. You know seeing how Six shares the Hyper Letal Vector rating with Master Chief and all.

Although I agree with your point here, quit using the "Hyper Lethal Vector" rating as evidence. No one actually knows what it involves and honestly is most likely used for commercial reasons as I said. Game designers obviously want players to think that their character is a big deal. Stop bringing it up.


No need for the "hyper lethal" factor. Cortana's decision to have Six carry her lets the players know that Six is a big deal compared to the other members of Noble.


But don't forget that Jorge was already dead. If he were still alive then I think that Halsey would have chosen Jorge. As she trusted him.

  • 03.27.2011 4:04 PM PDT

Halsey didn't choose, it sounded as if Cortana (the fragment) picked Six.

  • 03.27.2011 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
What year was the Spartan program de-classified?


2547.

  • 03.27.2011 4:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
What year was the Spartan program de-classified?


2547.
What's bugging me is the UNSC's concern about how Noble Team's actions would reflect towards public opinion. Noble Team's combat actions against the rebels would even be seen by the media. Kinda get what I'm stabbing at?


To the outside world Noble Team would just be more Spartan-IIs.

  • 03.27.2011 5:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Halsey didn't choose, it sounded as if Cortana (the fragment) picked Six.

I'm guessing that the "A Spartan Will Rise" trailer happened before Jorge died...so for some reason Cortana (Cortana=AI Halsey), chose Six over Jorge...
Anyway, I don't know why Cortana chose Six, hyper lethal vector or not, by the end of the game I knew less about Six than I did at the beginning! I knew more about Master Chief after one level...wait, I feel as if I know more about The Rookie than I did about Six. Why would Cortana chose Six??? Can anyone tell me what they gleaned from Six's character?
Sorry, I just feel that Cortana is too important to be entrusted to a nonentity...

Colonel Holand's concern is most placed on Noble Four considering his "methods" in dealing with rebels.
I really like how Bungie has done all this work giving us extra information in trailers and web articles...but I don't know, I think I would have preferred it if they had actually put this information in the campaign. Who agrees?

[Edited on 03.27.2011 5:58 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2011 5:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Halsey didn't choose, it sounded as if Cortana (the fragment) picked Six.

I'm guessing that the "A Spartan Will Rise" trailer happened before Jorge died...so for some reason Cortana (Cortana=AI Halsey), chose Six over Jorge...
Anyway, I don't know why Cortana chose Six, hyper lethal vector or not, by the end of the game I knew less about Six than I did at the beginning! I knew more about Master Chief after one level...wait, I feel as if I know more about The Rookie than I did about Six. Why would Cortana chose Six??? Can anyone tell me what they gleaned from Six's character?
Sorry, I just feel that Cortana is too important to be entrusted to a nonentity...


Really? I hardly learned much of anything about the Chief in a single game compared to Six.

  • 03.27.2011 5:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
What year was the Spartan program de-classified?


2547.
What's bugging me is the UNSC's concern about how Noble Team's actions would reflect towards public opinion. Noble Team's combat actions against the rebels would even be seen by the media. Kinda get what I'm stabbing at?


To the outside world Noble Team would just be more Spartan-IIs.
Colonel Holand's concern is most placed on Noble Four considering his "methods" in dealing with rebels.


Why does this matter? It doesn't mean that the public directly knows Emile's a Spartan-III, it's just bad press in general.

  • 03.27.2011 6:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Why does this matter? It doesn't mean that the public directly knows Emile's a Spartan-III, it's just bad press in general.


It means the public, and marines could look badly upon the Spartan II's, since that is what normal soldiers and civilians thought noble team were.

  • 03.27.2011 6:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
What year was the Spartan program de-classified?
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2547.[/quote]What's bugging me is the UNSC's concern about how Noble Team's actions would reflect towards public opinion. Noble Team's combat actions against the rebels would even be seen by the media. Kinda get what I'm stabbing at?[/quote]

To the outside world Noble Team would just be more Spartan-IIs.[/quote]Colonel Holand's concern is most placed on Noble Four considering his "methods" in dealing with rebels.


Why does this matter? It doesn't mean that the public directly knows Emile's a Spartan-III, it's just bad press in general.
Why would there be any kind of press for a team operating under the radar?


They're not operating under the radar...That's the whole point of them being thought of as Spartan-IIs. Then again, bad press is a poor choice of word on my part; even if the public does not know about the events, the higher UNSC officials would still know about way Emile operates against innies, and that is enough for concern.

  • 03.27.2011 6:08 PM PDT
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@Cmdr DaeFaron
How so? I know that Six has pretty much had most of his prior missions redacted...his/her Sabre experience was thrown out there with no prior warning just when we needed it...can fight the Covenant extremely well depending on the skill of the player...and after 98 percent of the game was done, we learnt that he/she found duty more important than survival.
I guess what I'm really looking for is some hint of personality that I can identify with. Listen and look at the Chief in Halo:CE cutscenes again, how he interacts with the other characters...especially Cortana. In my opinion, there's a lot more there.

I guess I really am exaggerating with the Rookie comparison...but even in that case, we got something out of how the other characters reacted to him. Six is just...we don't get much.

[Edited on 03.27.2011 6:12 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2011 6:12 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

"How Emile operates against Innies."

Why is it that the only thing that comes to mind is him sitting next to Jun, a mile away, trying to snipe at the Innies with his shotgun.

  • 03.27.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astronut7
@Cmdr DaeFaron
How so? I know that Six has pretty much had most of his prior missions redacted...his/her Sabre experience was thrown out there with no prior warning just when we needed it...can fight the Covenant extremely well depending on the skill of the player...and after 98 percent of the game was done, we learnt that he/she found duty more important than survival.
I guess what I'm really looking for is some hint of personality that I can identify with. Listen and look at the Chief in Halo:CE cutscenes again, how he interacts with the other characters...especially Cortana. In my opinion, there's a lot more there.

I guess I really am exaggerating with the Rookie comparison...but even in that case, we got something out of how the other characters reacted to him. Six is just...we don't get much.


The Chief barely talks with Cortana in Halo CE or anyone else for that matter...There were only two moments where Chief had a sense of personality in my opinion that made him not appear as robotic as he does in the rest of the game. The very brief moment where he knocks his helmet to cut Cortana's self analysis short in Keyes, and later in The Maw where Chief decides to be cheeky with in how he responded to blowing up the engine core manually. Otherwise everything else in the game was pretty much driven by Cortana's commentary rather than any actions or dialogue by the Chief.

And as for the Rookie what do you mean by how characters reacted to him? Other than the "nudge" from Romeo and quip from Dutch no one else engages in conversation with him. Hell how can he when he doesn't talk.

Outside of direct interaction we do know that Buck has concern over finding the Rookie over the course of the day, but there is no interaction at all during that period between characters due to being separated. So I guess there is that reaction. However, Carter and the rest of was the same way with Six, but unlike the Rookie, all made quips about Six's return at the end of Exodus and in both cutscenes. Only at the very end does the get more interaction from the Buck and Dare from his reappearance, but even then it's just a pat on the back much like Jorge gave Six at the end of Sword Base.

While I don't believe that Six is that riveting of a character, he/she hardly possesses less of a personality than the Chief in his debut in Halo CE.

  • 03.27.2011 7:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Astronut7
@Cmdr DaeFaron
How so? I know that Six has pretty much had most of his prior missions redacted...his/her Sabre experience was thrown out there with no prior warning just when we needed it...can fight the Covenant extremely well depending on the skill of the player...and after 98 percent of the game was done, we learnt that he/she found duty more important than survival.
I guess what I'm really looking for is some hint of personality that I can identify with. Listen and look at the Chief in Halo:CE cutscenes again, how he interacts with the other characters...especially Cortana. In my opinion, there's a lot more there.

I guess I really am exaggerating with the Rookie comparison...but even in that case, we got something out of how the other characters reacted to him. Six is just...we don't get much.


Six doesn't really have any back story or anything because Six is supposed to be you. Basically Six doesn't have a backstory other than what's made up by you and the limited amount of information that Bungie made up themselves.

  • 03.27.2011 8:04 PM PDT

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Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

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  • 03.28.2011 3:11 AM PDT
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As I said...I was exaggerating with the Rookie...I guess I was fine with him having a lack of character because the rest of the squad pretty much picked up that aspect during the game. In Reach...whilst the rest of Noble Team shows some personality...to me they don't seem to pick up your lack of one.

The Chief...
Cortana: Sleep Well?
Chief: No thanks to your driving, yes.
Remember the marine that said "I don't want to die out here!"
Look for the silent encouragement that the Chief gives him...
How about the Chief deliberately crashing his banshee after Cortana yells "Pull up! Pull up!" On the Maw?
Any of the times that the Chief is in the Control Room...with or without Guilty Spark...
The way he treats the dead body of Jenkins...before and after viewing the recording...
I could go on, but in my opinion, I still think the Chief shows a lot more personality than six...

I know this guy/girl is supposed to be you. But you see, I can't identify an empty shell with my personality. The Chief, I could identify with, understand him somewhat. The Rookie, I didn't really care about him...the rest of the ODSTs were the ones who were engaging my interests. Six and the rest of Noble Team...I don't know. As I said, I didn't get much.

Anyway, this is completely off topic, so I'll try and end my rant here.
Btw, does anyone else feel that the extra web information (articles and trailers) would have been more useful in campaign?

[Edited on 03.28.2011 7:19 AM PDT]

  • 03.28.2011 7:17 AM PDT

I don't like cocaine, I just like the way it smells.

Posted by: Astronut7
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Halsey didn't choose, it sounded as if Cortana (the fragment) picked Six.

I'm guessing that the "A Spartan Will Rise" trailer happened before Jorge died...so for some reason Cortana (Cortana=AI Halsey), chose Six over Jorge...
Anyway, I don't know why Cortana chose Six, hyper lethal vector or not, by the end of the game I knew less about Six than I did at the beginning! I knew more about Master Chief after one level...wait, I feel as if I know more about The Rookie than I did about Six. Why would Cortana chose Six??? Can anyone tell me what they gleaned from Six's character?
Sorry, I just feel that Cortana is too important to be entrusted to a nonentity...

Colonel Holand's concern is most placed on Noble Four considering his "methods" in dealing with rebels.
I really like how Bungie has done all this work giving us extra information in trailers and web articles...but I don't know, I think I would have preferred it if they had actually put this information in the campaign. Who agrees?

Halsey, Cortana; Potato, Patoto. Cortana has been shown to share Halsey's opinions before.
And what's your point about the time in which A SPARTAN Will Rise takes place?

  • 03.28.2011 8:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Astronut7
As I said...I was exaggerating with the Rookie...I guess I was fine with him having a lack of character because the rest of the squad pretty much picked up that aspect during the game. In Reach...whilst the rest of Noble Team shows some personality...to me they don't seem to pick up your lack of one.

The Chief...
Cortana: Sleep Well?
Chief: No thanks to your driving, yes.
Remember the marine that said "I don't want to die out here!"
Look for the silent encouragement that the Chief gives him...
How about the Chief deliberately crashing his banshee after Cortana yells "Pull up! Pull up!" On the Maw?
Any of the times that the Chief is in the Control Room...with or without Guilty Spark...
The way he treats the dead body of Jenkins...before and after viewing the recording...
I could go on, but in my opinion, I still think the Chief shows a lot more personality than six...

I know this guy/girl is supposed to be you. But you see, I can't identify an empty shell with my personality. The Chief, I could identify with, understand him somewhat. The Rookie, I didn't really care about him...the rest of the ODSTs were the ones who were engaging my interests. Six and the rest of Noble Team...I don't know. As I said, I didn't get much.

Anyway, this is completely off topic, so I'll try and end my rant here.
Btw, does anyone else feel that the extra web information (articles and trailers) would have been more useful in campaign?

The only reason I feel like I can identify with John more is because I have read all of the released background info and many hours of speculation.
I can speculate my opinion towards the Chief if I hadn't read the books. But I really DON'T know how I would feel. He would probably feel just as empty as John; more or less.

  • 03.28.2011 8:27 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Since when did we ever consider ViDocs canon? They're the absolute lowest form; marketing.

  • 03.28.2011 9:20 AM PDT


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Posted by: Astronut7
@Cmdr DaeFaron
How so? I know that Six has pretty much had most of his prior missions redacted...his/her Sabre experience was thrown out there with no prior warning just when we needed it...can fight the Covenant extremely well depending on the skill of the player...and after 98 percent of the game was done, we learnt that he/she found duty more important than survival.
I guess what I'm really looking for is some hint of personality that I can identify with. Listen and look at the Chief in Halo:CE cutscenes again, how he interacts with the other characters...especially Cortana. In my opinion, there's a lot more there.

I guess I really am exaggerating with the Rookie comparison...but even in that case, we got something out of how the other characters reacted to him. Six is just...we don't get much.


Six doesn't really have any back story or anything because Six is supposed to be you. Basically Six doesn't have a backstory other than what's made up by you and the limited amount of information that Bungie made up themselves.
The Bio for six claims he's made entire militia groups vanish which would suggest he's been performing black ops prior to inducting into Noble Team.


Yes, but he/she doesn't really have any story 'cause you're supposed to be Six, so really you can make up whatever story you want to for him/her. That's also why they added armor customization to the campaign. Bungie put out a very limited amount of information regarding Six, and even what little they put out doesn't tell you much about what makes Six tick.

  • 03.28.2011 10:02 AM PDT