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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

Signatures are for squares.

That speed limiter is BS. If there was some kind of speed limiter in place Kelly would lose her entire specialty, speed. And if there was a limiter, Chief would've have been able to sprint as fast as he did to SMACK A FRIGGIN' MISSILE.

If you're trying to say, "They had to create the limiter after that test." Then you're insane, because had it not been for that burst of speed, the chief would've been dead. It's obviously much better to have full speed and a broken foot/leg, then to have a dead Spartan.

  • 04.07.2011 4:22 AM PDT

Last I checked, Chief didn't sprint to deflect the missile, he stood absolutely still...

Also, they could run faster in armor then out. Even if the 'limiter' prevented or restricted them from running at max speed(At, top sprinting speed in armor), that wouldn't slow them down in the least.

Still, sprint and evade are the armor abilities which are the most likely to be considered not entirely canon. Others I don't see why they get that.

  • 04.07.2011 7:09 AM PDT


Posted by: Fantomfox64

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Vegerot
This is a small problem I have, and I don't know that answer to it!
How the hell is Sprint canon?!


Mjolner armor has some sort of speed limiter that won't let a Spartan run at their fastest as with the armor it would injure them, just look at what Chief did to himself in Mark V test, and the Sprint AA allows them to temporarily overload the limiter and basically turn it off. That's how it works to my understanding at least, and keep in mind that gameplay limits how the AA would really work and what a Spartan can really do outside, so don't act like Spartans need an Armor Ability to be able to run.


Oh come on, please don't defend that lame attempt of a cover up of why a basic ability was not so basic anymore.

An armor wouldn't completely stop someone from sprinting in a combat zone just to stop them from getting injured. Either it is a torn ligament (and the only reason MC had that in the Mark V test is because he was injured beforehand), or death.

It is simply backward to think that that MJOLNIR armor would have any protocol that would limit the ability of a Spartan, especially considering their tolerance for pain as well as other considerations.

Plus, how do you run so fast that you injure yourself?


I never said anything about them not being able to sprint without that specific AA, I merely said that the armor restricts them from traveling at their absolute highest speed, which would obviously be higher than 32 or so MPH.

With something as heavy as Mjolner armor, or even just something heavy, it's very possible to injure yourself. I've injured myself running before, believe me, it's possible.

  • 04.07.2011 11:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
I don't regard the abilities as canon at all. Spartans wouldn't need an ability to Roll. They wouldn't get infinite bubble shields by having that attachment on their back. And they surely don't need to have some special machine to help them run faster. Kelly ran 38 miles per hour without the help of some armor ability.

They're a gameplay mechanic. That's it.

Posted by: privet caboose
That speed limiter is BS. If there was some kind of speed limiter in place Kelly would lose her entire specialty, speed. And if there was a limiter, Chief would've have been able to sprint as fast as he did to SMACK A FRIGGIN' MISSILE.

If you're trying to say, "They had to create the limiter after that test." Then you're insane, because had it not been for that burst of speed, the chief would've been dead. It's obviously much better to have full speed and a broken foot/leg, then to have a dead Spartan.


Posted by: privet caboose
Oh please. There's not a single mention of anything of the sort in any other canon. Hell, there's not even mention of Halo 3's Equipment in any canon(other than the rather questionable Encyclopedia.)

It's safe to say it's for gameplay purposes. Like I said before, the game manuals are the lowest form of Canon, marketing. The Halo trilogy manuals tell us the chief is the last Spartan. But we all know that's not true.


Regardless of how stupid the idea sounds:

-It's in game, and bungie has given a in universe reason as to why, they did NOT say "it's not actually in universe, it's just for gameplay" (highest canon)

-We have record of John running VERY fast, much faster than any other spartan or humanoid creature breifly, this shows that the armor can at least KEEP UP with higher speeds.

- We have small mentions of AA's in canon such as in guides, manuels, and I recall them being mentioned in the journal and maybe the re-prints, I beilve Halsy mentioned somethign about fail safes in the armor to protect the spartans from damaging it or themselves.

- As per the kat thing (which again, is still in canon, even if only barely), would it not be possible to redirect some of the suit's power to the leg joints to pump up the speed? remember that moving at full speed without sprint is still a spartan running.

The fact of the matter is, EVEN if it is JUST mentioned in the LOWEST CANON, that's still canon.

The existence of AA's do not interfere with existing canon, no charecters or objects were in 2 paces at once, no dates were changed, etc, only info was added on to it, so I fail to see why it's in this thread.

We know that Headhunter teams and SPARTAN team black had access to armor abbilty like tech, and only them, so it's not even a isolated occurance canonically.

Futhermore:

-Jet pack: we KNOW that the Covenant had anti gravity packs, and the UNSC had some jet packs.

- active camo: The covenant of course had active camo, and it's mentioned in canon in MANY places that we did too, I think by reverse enginnering it, so that's expained.

- drop shied/armor lock: If the bubble shield is canon, then I don't see why the drop shied is not.

If the UNSC had the tech to make the shields around mljoner armor, then it's common sense that they'd be able to extend the surface area of it or make the shields more durable by using more energy or fuel, which is just what the armor lock/drop shield most likely is, a power source.

And again, both are easily within covie tech.

- Hologram: this one I don't know about.

the Covenant SHOULD be able to do this, but I don't know about the UNSC. Granted, they do have the AI avatars and holographic displays, but those still require nearby emmiters don't they?

I suppose it could just be a HUD hack, but...

  • 04.07.2011 12:25 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: JABBERWOCK xeno


-We have record of John running VERY fast, much faster than any other spartan or humanoid creature breifly, this shows that the armor can at least KEEP UP with higher speeds.


The point is, John can run that fast without some Armor Ability. And Kelly has likely run faster then that. No other spartan is faster then Kelly, and she never hit a "limiter" Thus, there is no reason for a Sprint Armor Ability because nobody can even run fast enough to hit it.

- As per the kat thing (which again, is still in canon, even if only barely), would it not be possible to redirect some of the suit's power to the leg joints to pump up the speed? remember that moving at full speed without sprint is still a spartan running.

MJOLNIR already boosts their abilities...I don't think they can increase it even more but I dunno.



We know that Headhunter teams and SPARTAN team black had access to armor abbilty like tech, and only them, so it's not even a isolated occurance canonically.

The headhunters had access to active camo, that's all that's confirmed as far as armor abilities are concerned.

-Jet pack: we KNOW that the Covenant had anti gravity packs, and the UNSC had some jet packs.

Yeah, we already knew they had Jet Packs.

- active camo: The covenant of course had active camo, and it's mentioned in canon in MANY places that we did too, I think by reverse enginnering it, so that's expained.

The UNSC did have a form of camo, yes.

- drop shied/armor lock: If the bubble shield is canon, then I don't see why the drop shied is not.

Drop Shield doesn't make any logical sense. It's an attachment that plugs into your back...and it somehow spawns an infinite number of shields every thirty seconds? And if Spartans had the ability to active FULL INVULNERABILITY for seconds at a time, then Blue Team would've been issued it for sure. It would've saved Will's life.

]If the UNSC had the tech to make the shields around mljoner armor, then it's common sense that they'd be able to extend the surface area of it or make the shields more durable by using more energy or fuel, which is just what the armor lock/drop shield most likely is, a power source.

There's no proof of that. And I don't really think that makes sense.

  • 04.07.2011 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: JABBERWOCK xeno
If the UNSC had the tech to make the shields around mljoner armor, then it's common sense that they'd be able to extend the surface area of it or make the shields more durable by using more energy or fuel, which is just what the armor lock/drop shield most likely is, a power source.

Actually the book illustrated the issue with this. Such an increase in sheild energy actually solidifies the shield to the point that other objects cannot be interacted with. You are lifted from the ground (lose your footing), you can't hold anything in your hands (just slides out), etc. So, technically, Armor Lock should cause a Spartan to start sliding around uncontrollably in an environment with gravity as well as drop their weapon.

  • 04.08.2011 12:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Trey Wharton
I respect what your saying, but let me tell ya something. I own all of the halo books: Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, the re-released versions of them as well, Contact Harvest, Ghosts of Onyx, The Cole Protocol, Halo Evolutions, Cryptum, and even Halsey's Journal AND the Halo Encyclopedia. I even have all the graphic novels: Halo Graphic Novel, Uprising, Helljumper, and Bloodline. I have read all of these. ALL of them. I am an avid fan of the canon. I own all the games and have played them all. So I can truely tell you that ALL that canon fits PERFECTLY together, except Halo Reach and Halsey's Journal. Reach effed up because they made it how they wanted. They decided to twist the canon for their benefit to make a game work. And the journal was the decision to try and help fix some inconsistencies, but not all of them. Why? Because they effed up TOO much that it can't all be fixed. So ya you say nitpicking, but really its a storyline, and Halo Reach effs up the story. Plain and simple. It just doesn't work for true canon, because Bungie made the conscious decision to say eff it to the canon to be able to make their game work, BECAUSE game play is a hell of a lot different than book fiction, and they couldn't handle making the two become one. Reach is an amazing game, I love playing it, BUT it is terrible to the CANON of Halo. As a fan who owns all the fiction and games, I can tell you that.


All of it? Read this and tell me what you think? http://www.halopedian.com/List_of_inconsistencies_in_Halo

  • 04.08.2011 1:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Fantomfox64

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Vegerot
This is a small problem I have, and I don't know that answer to it!
How the hell is Sprint canon?!


Mjolner armor has some sort of speed limiter that won't let a Spartan run at their fastest as with the armor it would injure them, just look at what Chief did to himself in Mark V test, and the Sprint AA allows them to temporarily overload the limiter and basically turn it off. That's how it works to my understanding at least, and keep in mind that gameplay limits how the AA would really work and what a Spartan can really do outside, so don't act like Spartans need an Armor Ability to be able to run.


Oh come on, please don't defend that lame attempt of a cover up of why a basic ability was not so basic anymore.

An armor wouldn't completely stop someone from sprinting in a combat zone just to stop them from getting injured. Either it is a torn ligament (and the only reason MC had that in the Mark V test is because he was injured beforehand), or death.

It is simply backward to think that that MJOLNIR armor would have any protocol that would limit the ability of a Spartan, especially considering their tolerance for pain as well as other considerations.

Plus, how do you run so fast that you injure yourself?


Boosted by the armor, they can move faster then their body can handle, hence the torn ankles.

Also, when Master Chief ran that fast, guess what? He was seriously -blam!- up afterwards. That and smacking the missile aside (If I'm thinking correctly) made it to where he literally had to wait for medical evac, and couldn't go far on his own.

I'd rather a 'speed' limiter then going super fast to evade something and then losing a chunk of my agility and speed.

In response to 'seeing' the whole picture. We do not have every detail of the battle of Reach. In the Fall of Reach, we witnessed the major space battle, when the defenses fell. In Halo Reach, we witness a different aspect of the battle, one which does not contradict the book's version. At most we simply have this correction "On August 30th, a massive Covenant fleet arrived in system and destroyed any defenses, marking the fall of Reach."

Not an exact quote, but I can get the video produced by 343 and waypoint which says just that. If it clashed so horribly with the rest of canon, 343, which has stated the lore is one of their major things, would not accept Reach.


I'd rather have a torn ligament than get smacked by a missile.
But also, why did KAT have to create a hack? There should just be a warning on the SPARTAN's Heads-up-Display that says "WARNING. EXTREME PRESSURE ON ACHILLES TENDON. ADVICE SLOWING DOWN." Why would someone need to make a hack?

  • 04.08.2011 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vegerot
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Fantomfox64

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Vegerot
This is a small problem I have, and I don't know that answer to it!
How the hell is Sprint canon?!


Mjolner armor has some sort of speed limiter that won't let a Spartan run at their fastest as with the armor it would injure them, just look at what Chief did to himself in Mark V test, and the Sprint AA allows them to temporarily overload the limiter and basically turn it off. That's how it works to my understanding at least, and keep in mind that gameplay limits how the AA would really work and what a Spartan can really do outside, so don't act like Spartans need an Armor Ability to be able to run.


Oh come on, please don't defend that lame attempt of a cover up of why a basic ability was not so basic anymore.

An armor wouldn't completely stop someone from sprinting in a combat zone just to stop them from getting injured. Either it is a torn ligament (and the only reason MC had that in the Mark V test is because he was injured beforehand), or death.

It is simply backward to think that that MJOLNIR armor would have any protocol that would limit the ability of a Spartan, especially considering their tolerance for pain as well as other considerations.

Plus, how do you run so fast that you injure yourself?


Boosted by the armor, they can move faster then their body can handle, hence the torn ankles.

Also, when Master Chief ran that fast, guess what? He was seriously -blam!- up afterwards. That and smacking the missile aside (If I'm thinking correctly) made it to where he literally had to wait for medical evac, and couldn't go far on his own.

I'd rather a 'speed' limiter then going super fast to evade something and then losing a chunk of my agility and speed.

In response to 'seeing' the whole picture. We do not have every detail of the battle of Reach. In the Fall of Reach, we witnessed the major space battle, when the defenses fell. In Halo Reach, we witness a different aspect of the battle, one which does not contradict the book's version. At most we simply have this correction "On August 30th, a massive Covenant fleet arrived in system and destroyed any defenses, marking the fall of Reach."

Not an exact quote, but I can get the video produced by 343 and waypoint which says just that. If it clashed so horribly with the rest of canon, 343, which has stated the lore is one of their major things, would not accept Reach.


I'd rather have a torn ligament than get smacked by a missile.
But also, why did KAT have to create a hack? There should just be a warning on the SPARTAN's Heads-up-Display that says "WARNING. EXTREME PRESSURE ON ACHILLES TENDON. ADVICE SLOWING DOWN." Why would someone need to make a hack?


According to the manual, the hack was made to remove failsafes that prevented a Spartan from exceeding the limit.

  • 04.08.2011 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: JABBERWOCK xeno


-We have record of John running VERY fast, much faster than any other spartan or humanoid creature breifly, this shows that the armor can at least KEEP UP with higher speeds.


The point is, John can run that fast without some Armor Ability. And Kelly has likely run faster then that. No other spartan is faster then Kelly, and she never hit a "limiter" Thus, there is no reason for a Sprint Armor Ability because nobody can even run fast enough to hit it.

- As per the kat thing (which again, is still in canon, even if only barely), would it not be possible to redirect some of the suit's power to the leg joints to pump up the speed? remember that moving at full speed without sprint is still a spartan running.

MJOLNIR already boosts their abilities...I don't think they can increase it even more but I dunno.



We know that Headhunter teams and SPARTAN team black had access to armor abbilty like tech, and only them, so it's not even a isolated occurance canonically.

The headhunters had access to active camo, that's all that's confirmed as far as armor abilities are concerned.

-Jet pack: we KNOW that the Covenant had anti gravity packs, and the UNSC had some jet packs.

Yeah, we already knew they had Jet Packs.

- active camo: The covenant of course had active camo, and it's mentioned in canon in MANY places that we did too, I think by reverse enginnering it, so that's expained.

The UNSC did have a form of camo, yes.

- drop shied/armor lock: If the bubble shield is canon, then I don't see why the drop shied is not.

Drop Shield doesn't make any logical sense. It's an attachment that plugs into your back...and it somehow spawns an infinite number of shields every thirty seconds? And if Spartans had the ability to active FULL INVULNERABILITY for seconds at a time, then Blue Team would've been issued it for sure. It would've saved Will's life.

]If the UNSC had the tech to make the shields around mljoner armor, then it's common sense that they'd be able to extend the surface area of it or make the shields more durable by using more energy or fuel, which is just what the armor lock/drop shield most likely is, a power source.

There's no proof of that. And I don't really think that makes sense.


It's been a while since I've been reading Halo, but isn't Will the one that got killed during the Battle of Onyx?

  • 04.08.2011 1:43 PM PDT

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I looked at it and that's alot of mistakes. I'll have to really study it to see what correct that a mistake really has been made and what it got wrong. But the one about Halo 1 where he rides the warthog at the end of the level was funny.

  • 04.08.2011 10:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Vegerot
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: JABBERWOCK xeno


-We have record of John running VERY fast, much faster than any other spartan or humanoid creature breifly, this shows that the armor can at least KEEP UP with higher speeds.


The point is, John can run that fast without some Armor Ability. And Kelly has likely run faster then that. No other spartan is faster then Kelly, and she never hit a "limiter" Thus, there is no reason for a Sprint Armor Ability because nobody can even run fast enough to hit it.

- As per the kat thing (which again, is still in canon, even if only barely), would it not be possible to redirect some of the suit's power to the leg joints to pump up the speed? remember that moving at full speed without sprint is still a spartan running.

MJOLNIR already boosts their abilities...I don't think they can increase it even more but I dunno.



We know that Headhunter teams and SPARTAN team black had access to armor abbilty like tech, and only them, so it's not even a isolated occurance canonically.

The headhunters had access to active camo, that's all that's confirmed as far as armor abilities are concerned.

-Jet pack: we KNOW that the Covenant had anti gravity packs, and the UNSC had some jet packs.

Yeah, we already knew they had Jet Packs.

- active camo: The covenant of course had active camo, and it's mentioned in canon in MANY places that we did too, I think by reverse enginnering it, so that's expained.

The UNSC did have a form of camo, yes.

- drop shied/armor lock: If the bubble shield is canon, then I don't see why the drop shied is not.

Drop Shield doesn't make any logical sense. It's an attachment that plugs into your back...and it somehow spawns an infinite number of shields every thirty seconds? And if Spartans had the ability to active FULL INVULNERABILITY for seconds at a time, then Blue Team would've been issued it for sure. It would've saved Will's life.

]If the UNSC had the tech to make the shields around mljoner armor, then it's common sense that they'd be able to extend the surface area of it or make the shields more durable by using more energy or fuel, which is just what the armor lock/drop shield most likely is, a power source.

There's no proof of that. And I don't really think that makes sense.


It's been a while since I've been reading Halo, but isn't Will the one that got killed during the Battle of Onyx?


Yes

  • 04.09.2011 7:31 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
The point is, John can run that fast without some Armor Ability. And Kelly has likely run faster then that. No other spartan is faster then Kelly, and she never hit a "limiter" Thus, there is no reason for a Sprint Armor Ability because nobody can even run fast enough to hit it.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and any information on the AAs is new canon, even if it is from marketing material, it's still canon until something higher contradicts it.

Also, how do you know that a Spartan's top speed in Mjolner isn't even higher than what's been listed before, but is limited by the speed restriction to keep them from doing serious damage to themselves?

Drop Shield doesn't make any logical sense. It's an attachment that plugs into your back...and it somehow spawns an infinite number of shields every thirty seconds? And if Spartans had the ability to active FULL INVULNERABILITY for seconds at a time, then Blue Team would've been issued it for sure. It would've saved Will's life.

Armor Abilities were prototypes that were undergoing limited use in field tests and most were probably lost on Reach. That is why we do not see AAs anywhere else in the series.

And in regards to the Drop Shield. What's the problem with it? It's exactly the same as the Bubble Shield, except for the fact it can be used more than once because it plugs into the armor and pulls power from there.

  • 04.09.2011 7:52 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: privet caboose
The point is, John can run that fast without some Armor Ability. And Kelly has likely run faster then that. No other spartan is faster then Kelly, and she never hit a "limiter" Thus, there is no reason for a Sprint Armor Ability because nobody can even run fast enough to hit it.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and any information on the AAs is new canon, even if it is from marketing material, it's still canon until something higher contradicts it.

Also, how do you know that a Spartan's top speed in Mjolner isn't even higher than what's been listed before, but is limited by the speed restriction to keep them from doing serious damage to themselves?

Drop Shield doesn't make any logical sense. It's an attachment that plugs into your back...and it somehow spawns an infinite number of shields every thirty seconds? And if Spartans had the ability to active FULL INVULNERABILITY for seconds at a time, then Blue Team would've been issued it for sure. It would've saved Will's life.

Armor Abilities were prototypes that were undergoing limited use in field tests and most were probably lost on Reach. That is why we do not see AAs anywhere else in the series.

And in regards to the Drop Shield. What's the problem with it? It's exactly the same as the Bubble Shield, except for the fact it can be used more than once because it plugs into the armor and pulls power from there.


You know, if you watch the drop-shield animation it looks nearly exactly like Master Chief deploying the bubble shield grenade in the halo 3 trailer.

So, what if the bubble shield is deployed in a similar way? A small grenade like thing you pick up and recharge.

  • 04.09.2011 8:30 PM PDT

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You know, if you watch the drop-shield animation it looks nearly exactly like Master Chief deploying the bubble shield grenade in the halo 3 trailer.

So, what if the bubble shield is deployed in a similar way? A small grenade like thing you pick up and recharge.

what if the spartan were to leave, he is not going to stay in one place for ever,

  • 04.09.2011 9:25 PM PDT


Posted by: mihir

You know, if you watch the drop-shield animation it looks nearly exactly like Master Chief deploying the bubble shield grenade in the halo 3 trailer.

So, what if the bubble shield is deployed in a similar way? A small grenade like thing you pick up and recharge.

what if the spartan were to leave, he is not going to stay in one place for ever,


No, but if the shield is deployed they could grab the item and move on? or move back and grab it. Or have a few of them and not just one.

  • 04.09.2011 10:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.


The Communique from Kurt to Mendez shows that a small group of Spartan-IIIs were hand-selected from each company to join special task forces like Noble. At the end, Kurt writes, "So Ackerson wants his heads -- and we'll give them to him -- just not all of them... We are bending the rules here, not breaking them. Anyway I believe our recon teams have proven their effectiveness."

Carter, Emile, and Jun survived simply because they weren't part of Operation: Prometheus.

Source:
- Communique from Kurt to Mendez

[Edited on 04.09.2011 11:07 PM PDT]

  • 04.09.2011 11:02 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: RaNDM_G
The Communique from Kurt to Mendez shows that a small group of Spartan-IIIs were hand-selected from each company to join special task forces like Noble. At the end, Kurt writes, "So Ackerson wants his heads -- and we'll give them to him -- just not all of them... We are bending the rules here, not breaking them. Anyway I believe our recon teams have proven their effectiveness."

Carter, Emile, and Jun survived simply because they weren't part of Operation: Prometheus.

Source:
- Communique from Kurt to Mendez

Thus destroying the significance of Tom and Lucy.

  • 04.10.2011 1:33 AM PDT


Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: RaNDM_G
The Communique from Kurt to Mendez shows that a small group of Spartan-IIIs were hand-selected from each company to join special task forces like Noble. At the end, Kurt writes, "So Ackerson wants his heads -- and we'll give them to him -- just not all of them... We are bending the rules here, not breaking them. Anyway I believe our recon teams have proven their effectiveness."

Carter, Emile, and Jun survived simply because they weren't part of Operation: Prometheus.

Source:
- Communique from Kurt to Mendez

Thus destroying the significance of Tom and Lucy.


Well, kinda backtracking as that was discussed a good bit back in the topic, but not at all.

Why? Tom and Lucy were the only survivors of the suicide mission. Six and Kat don't ruin that.

  • 04.10.2011 5:13 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: RaNDM_G
The Communique from Kurt to Mendez shows that a small group of Spartan-IIIs were hand-selected from each company to join special task forces like Noble. At the end, Kurt writes, "So Ackerson wants his heads -- and we'll give them to him -- just not all of them... We are bending the rules here, not breaking them. Anyway I believe our recon teams have proven their effectiveness."

Carter, Emile, and Jun survived simply because they weren't part of Operation: Prometheus.

Source:
- Communique from Kurt to Mendez

Thus destroying the significance of Tom and Lucy.


Well, kinda backtracking as that was discussed a good bit back in the topic, but not at all.

Why? Tom and Lucy were the only survivors of the suicide mission. Six and Kat don't ruin that.


Six and Lucy are significant because they were the only survivors of their entire company. The lone Spartan III's who survived what every single one of their brothers and sisters didn't. Two Spartans out of 600.

They were all Kurt had to cling to. The two of them were special because they made up a family together with Kurt(the way I see it.) How would Tom or Lucy feel if they knew some of the people they grew up with were still alive?

  • 04.10.2011 7:49 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: RaNDM_G
The Communique from Kurt to Mendez shows that a small group of Spartan-IIIs were hand-selected from each company to join special task forces like Noble. At the end, Kurt writes, "So Ackerson wants his heads -- and we'll give them to him -- just not all of them... We are bending the rules here, not breaking them. Anyway I believe our recon teams have proven their effectiveness."

Carter, Emile, and Jun survived simply because they weren't part of Operation: Prometheus.

Source:
- Communique from Kurt to Mendez

Thus destroying the significance of Tom and Lucy.


Well, kinda backtracking as that was discussed a good bit back in the topic, but not at all.

Why? Tom and Lucy were the only survivors of the suicide mission. Six and Kat don't ruin that.


Six and Lucy are significant because they were the only survivors of their entire company. The lone Spartan III's who survived what every single one of their brothers and sisters didn't. Two Spartans out of 600.

They were all Kurt had to cling to. The two of them were special because they made up a family together with Kurt(the way I see it.) How would Tom or Lucy feel if they knew some of the people they grew up with were still alive?



They'd feel happy, knowing not everybody was lost. Even then I doubt teams such as Noble or Headhunters (Which came from every company) would visit Onyx, at the most very little.

You mean, two Spartans out of 300. 600 Spartans weren't in beta company.

The fact remains, Six and Kat did NOT go on the mission. They didn't randomly write in two more survivors from the battle. Tom and Lucy aren't degraded in any way.

  • 04.10.2011 8:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
They'd feel happy, knowing not everybody was lost. Even then I doubt teams such as Noble or Headhunters (Which came from every company) would visit Onyx, at the most very little.

You mean, two Spartans out of 300. 600 Spartans weren't in beta company.

The fact remains, Six and Kat did NOT go on the mission. They didn't randomly write in two more survivors from the battle. Tom and Lucy aren't degraded in any way.

The point is that out of all Spartan III's they were the only two. Out of Alpha (300) and Beta (300) they were the only survivors (2 out of 600). With Kat, Emile, Six, etc. that significance is gone therefore making them no more important than anyone else. AKA - destroying their significance.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
They'd feel happy, knowing not everybody was lost. Even then I doubt teams such as Noble or Headhunters (Which came from every company) would visit Onyx, at the most very little.

You mean, two Spartans out of 300. 600 Spartans weren't in beta company.

The fact remains, Six and Kat did NOT go on the mission. They didn't randomly write in two more survivors from the battle. Tom and Lucy aren't degraded in any way.

The point is that out of all Spartan III's they were the only two. Out of Alpha (300) and Beta (300) they were the only survivors (2 out of 600). With Kat, Emile, Six, etc. that significance is gone therefore making them no more important than anyone else. AKA - destroying their significance.


You said it yourself. Survivors.

  • 04.11.2011 3:06 AM PDT

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You said it yourself. Survivors.

Except that all 300 of each company were sent out on suicide missions and all 600 save for Tom and Lucy were KIA. So unless between leaving Onyx and arriving at their mission they were snatched via an ONI corvette without Kurt's or Ackerson's knowledge it still doesn't make sense.

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Posted by: manwith
You said it yourself. Survivors.

Except that all 300 of each company were sent out on suicide missions and all 600 save for Tom and Lucy were KIA. So unless between leaving Onyx and arriving at their mission they were snatched via an ONI corvette without Kurt's or Ackerson's knowledge it still doesn't make sense.


At no point was it said that every member of the entire company was sent to suicide mission.

  • 04.11.2011 4:44 AM PDT