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Kat (Beta Company)
According to Kurt's Transmission, Kat was not deployed on TORPEDO, due to her being injured during the previous operation, CARTWHEEL. Kurt used her medical recovery time to keep her out of her company' destruction.[/quote]
Judging from Alpha, Kurt was not briefed on the Spartan III's missions until their completion. So I'm not sure how Kurt would have known to keep Kat out of harm's way. And this "transmission" is not present within my book either. While that may be seen as a cop-out the book does not seem to indicate that Kurt was EVER informed of a mission prior to its execution. No drill instructor is. Do you think Mendez was briefed on every Spartan III mission and given the option to withhold troops? I doubt it.
Kat was from Beta, not Alpha. After Alpha's massacre Kurt was told by his superiors that if they were given the opportunity to do a similar thing hey would, hence why he knew to watch out for Beta Company. As for how, GoO explains that Kut developed techniques on keeping track of his Spartans after deployment, the privelages of position/rank or something like that (not a direct quote, I don't have the book here).
Also, the transmission is not in the book. I supplied a link to it for people to read. Ghosts of Onyx is not the sole canon source for the IIIs.
Posted by: switch 104 sv
Noble 6 (Beta Compnay)
"Nine hadn't made it." Ghosts of Onyx, page 14.
Based off this we know that nine Spartans were not present during TORPEDO that Tom was led to believe were deployed. However, his/her Performance Report explains how he/she was affiliated with ONI as an assassin. ONI have a habit of "commandeering" Spartans. It is likely that Noble 6 is one of the nine who "died" on entry.
That is not at all how that quote reads. It is taken horribly out of context.
"Additional dots appeared on his heads-up screen... a dozen, two dozen, and then hundreds. The rest of Beta Company was online. Two hundred and ninety-one of them. Nine hadn't made it, either dead on reentry or killed from the impact or by Covenant forces before they could get out of the pods."
It would be difficult for ONI to black bag anyone MID FLIGHT in Orbital Drop Pods deep within Covenant owned space. That is just beyond farfetched.
I have edited my Noble 6 post, Kurt pulled him straight after taining finished, again stated in the transmission.
You misunderstand, I'm not suggestin that ONI plucked their pods up mid-flight, nor that thye picked them up on the surface of Pegasi. I'm suggesting that they were not sent. So nine nine Spartans got in their pods and and far as the rest of the group knew they launched, but those particular nine pods stayed on the ship. There would be no way fro the rest of them to know this until they landed because they were deployed in slipspace, hence why Tom checked everyone's status whe they hit dirt.
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Carter, Emile, Jun (Alpha Company)
It is now obvious that Kurt withheld numerous Spartan IIIs from their company's final missions. Evidence of this is his transmission regarding Beta Company, but more importantly the existence of the Headhunters. Even if all other eight Beta company "deaths", not including N6, were put into the Headhunter program, this is not enough to make up the numbers. At the program's height there were 6 two-man teams, 12 Spartans, with 17 others rotating into positions when one or more of a team was killed. That is 29 Spartan IIIs needed, and clearly they can't all be Beta Spartans because the numbers don't add up. It is also obvious that Gamma Company cannot be included based on deployment time and age. This means that the others would have to be from from Alpha, and there we have clear evidence that Spartans were witheld from PROMETHEUS, which leaves room to say that Carter, Emile and Jun were also saved.
Read first reply. The book indicates that Kurt was given details on missions POST op. So him keeping Spartan's from participating is extremely unlikely, not to mention in violation of command.
I'm beginning to think you didn't even read his transmission. He explains that he knows he is in violation but that they are being deployed, just not the way Ackerson planned.
Posted by: switch 104 sv
Ghost of Onyx is 100% canon, but the perspective from which the book is written leaves room to allow for the survival of more Spartan IIIs than the novel actually implies. Basically, GoO is right to say that all the Spartan IIIs of Alpha and Beta died But obviously, in actual fact, that is not the case, as I have explained above. Reach, and by extension Evolutions, does not break canon by including the survival of Spartan IIIs from Alpha and Beta Companies.
Your above explanations are invalid by that book you declare 100% cannon. Seeing as Kurt was basically a protagonist and your explanation involves him heavily (yet the book does not echo that involvement) I'm not sure where you want to go with that.
Again, he knew that by redirecting Spartas he was technically in violation but he did it ay way to give them a better chance. As for the perspective argument, I mean that Beta's destruction is seen from Tom's perspective. His first person view can only show so much, whatever the character knows. Like I said, if those nine "dead" Spartans were not launched, he would have no way to know and therefore would not be included in that chapter.
Posted by: switch 104 sv
Now factor in the possibility that some of the non-recruited numbers were used for similar programs/teams as well as "1.08% total strength" (3 Spartans) of Beta that was "absorbed" (read: saved) and the 2 Spatans from Beta sent on "long term reconnaissance", 170 and 091, and there are the potential numbers to fill all these ranks as well as that of Echo, Gauntlet and the original, now deceased, members of Noble which Jun, Emile, Jorge and 6 replaced.
This program was about mass producing Spartans. Why syphon them off to other places when their original purpose was en-mass? Why would command be irritated with having "only about 300" if they seemed to have enough left over to send to X,Y and Z secret programs?
And once again, Kurt did it seemingly without authorisation, orat least using loopholes, inorder to give his Spartans a fighting chance.
P.S. Sorry for any spelling mistakes, I'm not used to my girlfriends laptop.
EDIT: Butchered the quoting there but I'm not fixing it. Sorry.
[Edited on 04.12.2011 5:32 PM PDT]