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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien
Posted by: OrderedComa
Completely different scenarios, WWI is history and Halo is a completely fictional universe.
That isn't the point. The point is that amount of time can be a significant alteration to the overall story and make parts of that story break or change entirely.
Also, it was never stated at all in the books when the Circumference arrived at Reach or how long it had been docked on Reach Station Gamma. And any information regarding that specific Prowler had been erased from the databases on Reach, it technically did not exist anymore, and if something does not exist it is very easy to overlook until it's almost too late or too late.
This is basically assuming that the ship was immediately abandonded and forgotten about when it docked which I doubt. Someone somewhere knew about the ship and the Cole Protocol is nothing people would disregard in this situation.
Gah, stop misreading what I say and putting words in my mouth XD
I didn't put words in your mouth, you just aren't getting my implications. If he wasn't a part of TORPEDO then he wasn't among the 300 Beta graduates which means he never received augmentation which means he wasn't a III. As per Tom's comment in Ghosts of Onyx.
There is at least on instance of an almost spontaneous grab, that of Anders in Halo Wars. So ONI can and has grabbed people with little planning and still gotten away with it. And as I have said before, grabbing 9 Spartans before an op would take very little planning at all. And any op, no matter how urgent still takes time to plan out, if someone in ONI or who had good connections to them wanted 9 Spartans for a task, there would be plenty of time to come up with something to remove the 9 selected Spartans plausibly.
And where was this "little planning" abduction carried out? In the middle of a warzone? Hostile Covenant controlled space on a whim? I doubt it. I'm not trying to shut everything down here but sometimes you got to look at all the angles. It just doesn't make sense. Again I say why kidnap something that doesn't exist from a suicide op where anyone alive to know they were kidnapped was going to die anyway?
No, Halsey was not the only scientist working on Mjolner, however, the armor would still be classified, ONI does not readily share information out to those who have no need of that specific knowledge or should not know about it. Compartmentalization, it's an important aspect of any secretive group or efficient military planning.
Well, if ONI wanted X thing to work they could disclose whatever info they want to that end.
Spartan II's average between 6-9 feet while III's average between 5-7 feet. So yes, they are smaller.
You are correct, I misread. Either way, average hieght and weight for II's was larger than III's. Most Spartan II's were 7' while with III's there were only a few that actually hit that height.
If there was no need to abduct Spartan IIs, then why go through the trouble of abducting Kurt when an application to have him transferred would have worked just as well?
Even if the IIIs don't exist, wouldn't you find it odd that part of your squad or teammates just suddenly up and vanished for no apparent reason?
The answer to both of these questions is that ONI is very cautious, anything that can avoid causing people to not ask questions, because there are no questions to be answered, can and will be used by them to achieve their ends.
You don't need to abduct anyone for top-secret ops. Just make them not say anything about the op. Kidnapping them is more suspicious than just doing military work as usual. Secondly, Kurt was abducted because he was meant to lead a PROGRAM that DOESN'T EXIST. That is entirely different than working as a black ops team.
Hey, he can't actively go ask her for the schematics to it without raising loads of questions that ONI wouldn't want.
The question is why would he even try? He already had his own set of elite Spartan III's. Why Noble?
But remember, the Spartan III program was supposed to be a complete secret, that's why the kids who couldn't become IIIs stayed on as trainers. Sending those who could not be IIIs home or shipping them out to a different part of the military would not be a viable option.
Washouts can be anything from dead, crippled, insubordinate, etc. Not all of them ended up perfect by the end and whatever ONI did with them it wasn't sending them in as psuedo III's.
No they really didn't, they did very little fighting with the Brutes at Harvest, it was mostly Maccabeus ship raining down fire and death on the homesteads and the Spirits adding to fiery rain. And when they fight the Covenant on the Tiara it is mostly Grunt with Drones and Tartarus rampaging through toward the end of the fight.
Before the ship rained down fire and death they were having a peace negotiation which turned sour - hence combat. Actually, there were really only two serious combat situations in all of Contact Harvest from what I've heard. This one, and the one you mentioned that I have not gotten to.
There's not wrong at all with Halo Wars canon, no conflicts between it anything else.
Spartan Laser, Spartans with shields, Elites being around, Brutes having a main combat force, flood... the list goes on.
You've just admitted it, you are picking and choosing what you want to be the canon rather than listening to what the developers and writers of the story say is, I'm sorry, but that's just not how things work, we don't get to decide what is or is not canon.
I'm not picking and choosing. Sure I'm being stingy but that's what cannon is all about really. I understand that Buggers and Halo Wars and Reach are technically cannon, but to me I prefer the canon pre-Contact Harvest when it was actually intact and cohesive. That is my preference. But this discussion is not about preference but erroneous material. And since Contact Harvest that has done nothing but increase.