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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

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Posted by: OrderedComa
And other than extending the timeline a bit nothing is at all altered, all the events of the Battle of Reach can take place exactly as in TFoR with the exception of how the battle started and a bit of the end.

And though you might not see it that way, sometimes completely altering an entire encounter is[/b] an improvement.

I guess making WWI last 1 year doesn't change much either seeing as all the major engagement could have taken place in that time, right? Not really seeing as it couldn't be a war of attrition with such a short duration. This is an example of how changing the amount of time is just as detrimental as removing entire scenarios. It alters the overall situation making certain events not make sense in context. Such as MC's experience on the station. If they had weeks to fend off Covenant then why did someone "forget" about a corvette parked in one of the docking stations? Seems quite the oversight by the UNSC to forget an entire ship when given sufficient time to secure it and its memory core. Starting to understand?

The situations on K4-79 and Pegasi-delta are completely different scenarios, it would be no challenge whatsoever to "black bag" as you put, someone from operation TORPEDO. And I never said I thought that Six was abducted from TORPEDO, I know for a fact how she survived the op, she was never even part of the mission to begin with.
They were similar locations and circumstances. And if 6 isn't from Beta, he/she must be from Alpha but that would mean the other members of Noble should know who he/she is.

And yes, I do think ONI can black bag almost whoever the hell they want, there are limits to what they can do, but if they can make a planet completely disappear and kidnap 75+ children and get completely away with it, then abducting Spartans would not be impossible, hell, as I said earlier, they've already done it!
Difference being YEARS to plan and stage such events. This was not the case for such ops as PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. These operations happened because these places needed to be destroyed ASAP at any cost. I doubt they spent months planning the abduction of several III's rather than getting on with it.

And kidnapping 75+ children from hundreds of worlds within trillions of people isn't THAT difficult.

He could not have had the SIIIs augmented properly unless he somehow got a hold of Halsey's research, it may not have been him specifically who stole the research, but it would have been done on his orders. So ultimately he did steal it as he is the one responsible for the SIIIs.
Or had other scientists develop it. Halsey wasn't the ONLY one working on the Spartan project and seeing as Ackerson was part of those overseeing it I doubt he was completely ignorant on how things happened. That or ONI just gave him the material.

The only Spartan II we actually see in Reach is Jorge, and he's bigger than all of the other SIIs except for maybe Sam. So we have no accurate size comparison for SIIs and SIIIs, and I've seen nothing at all to say that they are at all weaker than the SIIs or smaller.
Spartan II's average between 6-9 feet while III's average between 5-7 feet. So yes, they are smaller.


As for the rest of your point her. Why go to the trouble of abducting SIIs when you already have the cream of the crop from your own project, and who are much closer to the SIIs than the rest of the IIIs, easily and readily available? And in case you hadn't forgotten most of the SIIs were dead by that point, and the UNSC lost contact with Grey Team sometime between the Cole Protocol and the end of TFoR. And we don't know where Black Team is, or even if they're still alive.
You don't need to abduct the II's. That's why you could get them easier. Actually, why black bag ANY of them? The III's don't exist anyways so who the hell are they hiding them from? Themselves?

I did not say that Ackerson stole Mjolner, I said he [i]could
have, that is what I meant at least. It could have just as easily been Kurt who got the plans for Mjolner armor, as he spent time forging contacts and using all of his privileges of rank in order to be able to accomplish his own ends rather than Ackerson's when he needed to.
Kurt, stealing from his own Mother? BTW his only contacts were the ones directly related to the SIII program. That does not include Halsey.

I don't have the book, so I cannot look up the context, and until I see it I have no proper answer to your point. And on top of that I simply do not recall it mentioning the Slipspace pods as something mass produced or regularly used at that time. Perhaps working its way there, but it sounds to me like it was more in the prototype/field testing stages.
It doesn't mention them. That's my point. It just says they were dropped from slipspace in pods. That's it. And the discussion was about A protype mesanger probe and they were comparing it to those ODST pods.

And those guys all had to go somewhere, some are accounted for, yes, as the trainers for the SIIIs, but I highly doubt that there are over 200 trainers, and there would be no real need to replace them either as they're on the front lines or anything of the sort. Some of them either became the Headhunters or were placed in teams like Noble.
Home? Become ODST's? They were still kids keep in mind when they washed out. You can make excuses but this is what the book is saying.

I only know the original edition of First Strike, so we know the same thing. New to him does not exclude being a new species, and they did not do much fighting with the Brutes or any of the Covenant on Harvest except for the Grunts, and what little intel they had on the Brutes would not be enough for Chief or any Spartan to know how to properly fight them.
They had a fairly moderate sized engagement in close quarters. They did plenty of fighting with the Brutes.

My point that claiming anything as drastic as what a lot of this forum is proposing is preposterous still stands. We don't know how they connect, we do know that TFoR and Reach connect because Bungie has said that they do, just because we do not see the connections does not mean that they are not there.
Until they fix it, I don't see Reach's story as cannon just as I don't see Halo Wars as cannon. They're great games but they just don't respect established story.

  • 04.21.2011 12:29 AM PDT

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6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Damn gamer why did you say halowars isn't canon? now i have to get on you :/


Halowars is probably the most accurate of all the halo games once you understand that its is an RTS game and filled with gameplay elements. if you don't understand that you'll see it as "non-canon".

So please tell me what is wrong with halo wars.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Sam was the tallest being "a head taller than john".

Just checked the heights for NOBLE team and i think those are their heights in armor, outside of it they would be about 5-6 feet. But those heights are with them in armor.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Same was the tallest being "a head taller than john".

Just checked the heights for NOBLE team and i think those are their heights in armor, outside of it they would be about 5-6 feet. But those heights are with them in armor.


I agree with you.
I think the chief is 7,2.When you look at Noble in the game,they aren't that much larger then Marines except Jorge.But looking at the Chief in Halo 3,he looks much larger.

Look at chief compared to Johnson and the others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYtWaFYv6M


Look at six compared to Keyes and the marines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_1PRPcl6jQ&feature=relate d

Or how about compare the size of the Elites with Six and the Chief.You see the Chief nearly as large as arby in the cutscenes.

What i also noticed is that master chief was smaller in Halo CE and it seems they retconned his size and made him larger in Halo 2 and Halo 3.



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  • 04.21.2011 6:10 AM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I guess making WWI last 1 year doesn't change much either seeing as all the major engagement could have taken place in that time, right? Not really seeing as it couldn't be a war of attrition with such a short duration. This is an example of how changing the amount of time is just as detrimental as removing entire scenarios. It alters the overall situation making certain events not make sense in context. Such as MC's experience on the station. If they had weeks to fend off Covenant then why did someone "forget" about a corvette parked in one of the docking stations? Seems quite the oversight by the UNSC to forget an entire ship when given sufficient time to secure it and its memory core. Starting to understand?


Completely different scenarios, WWI is history and Halo is a completely fictional universe.

Also, it was never stated at all in the books when the Circumference arrived at Reach or how long it had been docked on Reach Station Gamma. And any information regarding that specific Prowler had been erased from the databases on Reach, it technically did not exist anymore, and if something does not exist it is very easy to overlook until it's almost too late or too late.

They were similar locations and circumstances. And if 6 isn't from Beta, he/she must be from Alpha but that would mean the other members of Noble should know who he/she is.

Gah, stop misreading what I say and putting words in my mouth XD

I didn't say Six wasn't from Beta, nothing of the sort came of my mouth. I said Six was never a part of TORPEDO. She was removed from the rest of the ranks of the IIIs directly after training, thus she never took part in TORPEDO.

Difference being YEARS to plan and stage such events. This was not the case for such ops as PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. These operations happened because these places needed to be destroyed ASAP at any cost. I doubt they spent months planning the abduction of several III's rather than getting on with it.

And kidnapping 75+ children from hundreds of worlds within trillions of people isn't THAT difficult.


There is at least on instance of an almost spontaneous grab, that of Anders in Halo Wars. So ONI can and has grabbed people with little planning and still gotten away with it. And as I have said before, grabbing 9 Spartans before an op would take very little planning at all. And any op, no matter how urgent still takes time to plan out, if someone in ONI or who had good connections to them wanted 9 Spartans for a task, there would be plenty of time to come up with something to remove the 9 selected Spartans plausibly.

Or had other scientists develop it. Halsey wasn't the ONLY one working on the Spartan project and seeing as Ackerson was part of those overseeing it I doubt he was completely ignorant on how things happened. That or ONI just gave him the material.

No, Halsey was not the only scientist working on Mjolner, however, the armor would still be classified, ONI does not readily share information out to those who have no need of that specific knowledge or should not know about it. Compartmentalization, it's an important aspect of any secretive group or efficient military planning.

Spartan II's average between 6-9 feet while III's average between 5-7 feet. So yes, they are smaller.

No Spartan is 9 feet tall, not even Sam. I haven't really seen the stats for the IIIs in regards to height, but I know that they are almost exactly the same as the IIs, as several people above me have pointed out.

You don't need to abduct the II's. That's why you could get them easier. Actually, why black bag ANY of them? The III's don't exist anyways so who the hell are they hiding them from? Themselves?

If there was no need to abduct Spartan IIs, then why go through the trouble of abducting Kurt when an application to have him transferred would have worked just as well?
Even if the IIIs don't exist, wouldn't you find it odd that part of your squad or teammates just suddenly up and vanished for no apparent reason?

The answer to both of these questions is that ONI is very cautious, anything that can avoid causing people to not ask questions, because there are no questions to be answered, can and will be used by them to achieve their ends.

Kurt, stealing from his own Mother? BTW his only contacts were the ones directly related to the SIII program. That does not include Halsey.

Hey, he can't actively go ask her for the schematics to it without raising loads of questions that ONI wouldn't want.

Home? Become ODST's? They were still kids keep in mind when they washed out. You can make excuses but this is what the book is saying.

But remember, the Spartan III program was supposed to be a complete secret, that's why the kids who couldn't become IIIs stayed on as trainers. Sending those who could not be IIIs home or shipping them out to a different part of the military would not be a viable option.

They had a fairly moderate sized engagement in close quarters. They did plenty of fighting with the Brutes.

No they really didn't, they did very little fighting with the Brutes at Harvest, it was mostly Maccabeus ship raining down fire and death on the homesteads and the Spirits adding to fiery rain. And when they fight the Covenant on the Tiara it is mostly Grunt with Drones and Tartarus rampaging through toward the end of the fight.

Until they fix it, I don't see Reach's story as cannon just as I don't see Halo Wars as cannon. They're great games but they just don't respect established story.

There's not wrong at all with Halo Wars canon, no conflicts between it anything else.
You've just admitted it, you are picking and choosing what you want to be the canon rather than listening to what the developers and writers of the story say is, I'm sorry, but that's just not how things work, we don't get to decide what is or is not canon.

  • 04.21.2011 8:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Completely different scenarios, WWI is history and Halo is a completely fictional universe.

That isn't the point. The point is that amount of time can be a significant alteration to the overall story and make parts of that story break or change entirely.


Also, it was never stated at all in the books when the Circumference arrived at Reach or how long it had been docked on Reach Station Gamma. And any information regarding that specific Prowler had been erased from the databases on Reach, it technically did not exist anymore, and if something does not exist it is very easy to overlook until it's almost too late or too late.

This is basically assuming that the ship was immediately abandonded and forgotten about when it docked which I doubt. Someone somewhere knew about the ship and the Cole Protocol is nothing people would disregard in this situation.

Gah, stop misreading what I say and putting words in my mouth XD
I didn't put words in your mouth, you just aren't getting my implications. If he wasn't a part of TORPEDO then he wasn't among the 300 Beta graduates which means he never received augmentation which means he wasn't a III. As per Tom's comment in Ghosts of Onyx.

There is at least on instance of an almost spontaneous grab, that of Anders in Halo Wars. So ONI can and has grabbed people with little planning and still gotten away with it. And as I have said before, grabbing 9 Spartans before an op would take very little planning at all. And any op, no matter how urgent still takes time to plan out, if someone in ONI or who had good connections to them wanted 9 Spartans for a task, there would be plenty of time to come up with something to remove the 9 selected Spartans plausibly.
And where was this "little planning" abduction carried out? In the middle of a warzone? Hostile Covenant controlled space on a whim? I doubt it. I'm not trying to shut everything down here but sometimes you got to look at all the angles. It just doesn't make sense. Again I say why kidnap something that doesn't exist from a suicide op where anyone alive to know they were kidnapped was going to die anyway?

No, Halsey was not the only scientist working on Mjolner, however, the armor would still be classified, ONI does not readily share information out to those who have no need of that specific knowledge or should not know about it. Compartmentalization, it's an important aspect of any secretive group or efficient military planning.
Well, if ONI wanted X thing to work they could disclose whatever info they want to that end.

Spartan II's average between 6-9 feet while III's average between 5-7 feet. So yes, they are smaller.
You are correct, I misread. Either way, average hieght and weight for II's was larger than III's. Most Spartan II's were 7' while with III's there were only a few that actually hit that height.

If there was no need to abduct Spartan IIs, then why go through the trouble of abducting Kurt when an application to have him transferred would have worked just as well?
Even if the IIIs don't exist, wouldn't you find it odd that part of your squad or teammates just suddenly up and vanished for no apparent reason?

The answer to both of these questions is that ONI is very cautious, anything that can avoid causing people to not ask questions, because there are no questions to be answered, can and will be used by them to achieve their ends.

You don't need to abduct anyone for top-secret ops. Just make them not say anything about the op. Kidnapping them is more suspicious than just doing military work as usual. Secondly, Kurt was abducted because he was meant to lead a PROGRAM that DOESN'T EXIST. That is entirely different than working as a black ops team.

Hey, he can't actively go ask her for the schematics to it without raising loads of questions that ONI wouldn't want.
The question is why would he even try? He already had his own set of elite Spartan III's. Why Noble?

But remember, the Spartan III program was supposed to be a complete secret, that's why the kids who couldn't become IIIs stayed on as trainers. Sending those who could not be IIIs home or shipping them out to a different part of the military would not be a viable option.
Washouts can be anything from dead, crippled, insubordinate, etc. Not all of them ended up perfect by the end and whatever ONI did with them it wasn't sending them in as psuedo III's.

No they really didn't, they did very little fighting with the Brutes at Harvest, it was mostly Maccabeus ship raining down fire and death on the homesteads and the Spirits adding to fiery rain. And when they fight the Covenant on the Tiara it is mostly Grunt with Drones and Tartarus rampaging through toward the end of the fight.
Before the ship rained down fire and death they were having a peace negotiation which turned sour - hence combat. Actually, there were really only two serious combat situations in all of Contact Harvest from what I've heard. This one, and the one you mentioned that I have not gotten to.

There's not wrong at all with Halo Wars canon, no conflicts between it anything else.
Spartan Laser, Spartans with shields, Elites being around, Brutes having a main combat force, flood... the list goes on.

You've just admitted it, you are picking and choosing what you want to be the canon rather than listening to what the developers and writers of the story say is, I'm sorry, but that's just not how things work, we don't get to decide what is or is not canon.
I'm not picking and choosing. Sure I'm being stingy but that's what cannon is all about really. I understand that Buggers and Halo Wars and Reach are technically cannon, but to me I prefer the canon pre-Contact Harvest when it was actually intact and cohesive. That is my preference. But this discussion is not about preference but erroneous material. And since Contact Harvest that has done nothing but increase.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K

There's not wrong at all with Halo Wars canon, no conflicts between it anything else.
Spartan Laser, Spartans with shields, Elites being around, Brutes having a main combat force, flood... the list goes on.

You've just admitted it, you are picking and choosing what you want to be the canon rather than listening to what the developers and writers of the story say is, I'm sorry, but that's just not how things work, we don't get to decide what is or is not canon.
I'm not picking and choosing. Sure I'm being stingy but that's what cannon is all about really. I understand that Buggers and Halo Wars and Reach are technically cannon, but to me I prefer the canon pre-Contact Harvest when it was actually intact and cohesive. That is my preference. But this discussion is not about preference but erroneous material. And since Contact Harvest that has done nothing but increase.


G33k you do understand that halowars was an RTS correct? meaning half of the stuff in the game are gameplay elements.


Shields are gameplay, Laser is gameplay (though a prototype or different model would'ev been fine), elites were retconned to being at harvest AFTER the brutes were removed from harvest, Again brutes being at harvest was retconned aside from that it was just gameplay.


I think the introduction of the flood and the shield world was the best thing to ever happen and this is going to come back in the near future and have everybody re-play the game. The flood being in is 100% fine since this is a prequel and the SoF "never made it back".
but halo evolutions indirectly suggests that they did make it back but were held by ONI since they were already at installation 4 before john got back AND experimenting with the flood.

Not to mention the Cryptum 2 is going to be about didact building his Onyx's in which we might have an explanation to why that one was overrun with flood and why wrecked forerunner ships were all over the place. I made a theory that this was the site of the battle between OB and MB.

Man, i think halowars is one of the best stories in the haloverse.


** I like how people say the games are "more canon" than the books due to it being done directly by bungie. Yet Contact harvest was written directly by bungie and they say it is filled with errors (which it isn't). Funny how that works.

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Im really not sure what Bungie tried to do with reach...what was their purpose besides selling millions of copies? Seems like nothing else...
Get Halo out the door? It seems like their heart wasn't in it.

  • 04.22.2011 7:17 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.

  • 04.22.2011 7:52 AM PDT


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.


Kat is just as tall as Master Chief.

Six is roughly same height as Kat.

Common Sense means that Six and Chief are same height.

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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.


Kat is just as tall as Master Chief.

Six is roughly same height as Kat.

Common Sense means that Six and Chief are same height.


All of those heights are in armor though, with out it they would be around 5-6 feet.

So chief even out of armor would still be taller than them, and roughly does not equal exactly.

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  • 04.22.2011 8:23 AM PDT


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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.


Kat is just as tall as Master Chief.

Six is roughly same height as Kat.

Common Sense means that Six and Chief are same height.


Six is as tall as MC.

Marine is as tall as Six.

Therefore the average height is around 7 foot, MC is no taller than anyone else and probably not that much stronger than your "average" body builder.

How the f**k did we lose when everyone is a SPARTAN?

  • 04.22.2011 8:26 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.


Kat is just as tall as Master Chief.

Six is roughly same height as Kat.

Common Sense means that Six and Chief are same height.


All of those heights are in armor though, with out it they would be around 5-6 feet.

So chief even out of armor would still be taller than them, and roughly does not equal exactly.


So, Noble Team's Mark V magically makes them as tall as Chief, yet when they take it off suddenly they are shorter then him(if he is out of armor as well.)?

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.


Kat is just as tall as Master Chief.

Six is roughly same height as Kat.

Common Sense means that Six and Chief are same height.


All of those heights are in armor though, with out it they would be around 5-6 feet.

So chief even out of armor would still be taller than them, and roughly does not equal exactly.


So, Noble Team's Mark V magically makes them as tall as Chief, yet when they take it off suddenly they are shorter then him(if he is out of armor as well.)?


Yes. wearing mjolnir gives you a good foot or so boost in height. that was mentioned when they first put on the armor.

So i was correct when i correctly said that SIIIs are not as tall as SIIs

  • 04.22.2011 8:37 AM PDT


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Yes. wearing mjolnir gives you a good foot or so boost in height. that was mentioned when they first put on the armor.

So i was correct when i correctly said that SIIIs are not as tall as SIIs


MC is 6'11" out of, and 7'1" in armour. So it gives only a 3 inch boost.

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6-9 feet? What thing are you smoking cause I want some of that. Jorge was one of, if not the tallest Spartan II and he was 7 ft, 4 inches.

And most members of Noble Team are as tall as John, so I don't see how they can be "smaller"


Wrong.

A) The SIIIs were never given the Thyroid enhancement that promoted growth. Therefore never grew much above your average human.
B) Go play Reach in co-op, stand 6 next to a marine, he/she will be barely a few inches taller than the Marine. Minus 3 inches to account for the MJOLNIR armour and you get a SPARTAN that is 5'11 - 6'2 tall.

Not to mention that 500 years from now your average human could be smaller than us today. Especially given galactic expansion was a result of over-population, lack of food will promote smaller bodies.


Kat is just as tall as Master Chief.

Six is roughly same height as Kat.

Common Sense means that Six and Chief are same height.


Then why are Elites the same height as MC, but the SIII's on Noble can climb an Elite like a mountain while performing an assassination (where the height disadvantage is easily seen).

I think there is a misunderstanding about height here. Unless height in the games were only for gameplay use, why isn't Six just as high as MC while playing as him?

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Then why are Elites the same height as MC, but the SIII's on Noble can climb an Elite like a mountain while performing an assassination (where the height disadvantage is easily seen).

I think there is a misunderstanding about height here. Unless height in the games were only for gameplay use, why isn't Six just as high as MC while playing as him?


Elite's are like... 8 feet tall if I remember.

Edit: In two and three Elites got a heavy hunchback. In CE I think everything was scaled down around chief slightly...

[Edited on 04.22.2011 8:45 AM PDT]

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Yes. wearing mjolnir gives you a good foot or so boost in height. that was mentioned when they first put on the armor.

So i was correct when i correctly said that SIIIs are not as tall as SIIs


MC is 6'11" out of, and 7'1" in armour. So it gives only a 3 inch boost.


That was my error, im posting in too many threads at once.

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Then why are Elites the same height as MC, but the SIII's on Noble can climb an Elite like a mountain while performing an assassination (where the height disadvantage is easily seen).

I think there is a misunderstanding about height here. Unless height in the games were only for gameplay use, why isn't Six just as high as MC while playing as him?


Elite's are like... 8 feet tall if I remember.

Edit: In two and three Elites got a heavy hunchback. In CE I think everything was scaled down around chief slightly...


Yeah something like that. I was just trying to point out roughly the Elites and MC were about the same hight.

But that's my point. SIII's seem so much smaller compared to Elites.

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  • 04.22.2011 8:48 AM PDT


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Then why are Elites the same height as MC, but the SIII's on Noble can climb an Elite like a mountain while performing an assassination (where the height disadvantage is easily seen).

I think there is a misunderstanding about height here. Unless height in the games were only for gameplay use, why isn't Six just as high as MC while playing as him?


Elite's are like... 8 feet tall if I remember.

Edit: In two and three Elites got a heavy hunchback. In CE I think everything was scaled down around chief slightly...


Yeah something like that. I was just trying to point out roughly the Elites and MC were about the same hight.

But that's my point. SIII's seem so much smaller compared to Elites.


And in Reach, Bungie made Elites the way they should have been heightwise....

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Then why are Elites the same height as MC, but the SIII's on Noble can climb an Elite like a mountain while performing an assassination (where the height disadvantage is easily seen).

I think there is a misunderstanding about height here. Unless height in the games were only for gameplay use, why isn't Six just as high as MC while playing as him?


Elite's are like... 8 feet tall if I remember.

Edit: In two and three Elites got a heavy hunchback. In CE I think everything was scaled down around chief slightly...


Yeah something like that. I was just trying to point out roughly the Elites and MC were about the same hight.

But that's my point. SIII's seem so much smaller compared to Elites.


And in Reach, Bungie made Elites the way they should have been heightwise....

They are the same height, your just shorter. They have said that several times, even if its a few inches your still shorter

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Then why are Elites the same height as MC, but the SIII's on Noble can climb an Elite like a mountain while performing an assassination (where the height disadvantage is easily seen).

I think there is a misunderstanding about height here. Unless height in the games were only for gameplay use, why isn't Six just as high as MC while playing as him?


Elite's are like... 8 feet tall if I remember.

Edit: In two and three Elites got a heavy hunchback. In CE I think everything was scaled down around chief slightly...


Yeah something like that. I was just trying to point out roughly the Elites and MC were about the same hight.

But that's my point. SIII's seem so much smaller compared to Elites.


And in Reach, Bungie made Elites the way they should have been heightwise....


Are you sure? If it is then wow. Bungie can't make up their minds can they >.>

Last second thought: But how about marines? Why are the SIII's closer to their hight?

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Just saying, that Army trooper looks a good head shorter then Six.

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