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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33k
And you can't say they haven't. This kind of argument is futile. What we should be discussing the likelihood and possibility of current events occurring as they did within the new time frame and that likelihood is many times slim or requires great alteration of cannon to accommodate.
No, I can't say that, but what I am saying is that claiming things one way or the other with the lack of evidence is foolish.
Not even ONI would risk the destruction of the human race for random interests.
Read the "Mona Lisa" in Halo Evolutions and then tell me that :P
Lets go through the first situation.
1) How? If the PoA was docked how is Red Team to be dropped from orbit?
2) Why? Why send all of your greatest fighters on an incredibly risky drop mission through a hot zone when you had enough time to distribute them across the surface before it hit the fan?
1). What makes you think that the Autumn was in dry dock in Aszod the whole time? There is nothing to indicate that it was, so it is more prudent to assume that Red Team was sent down in a Pelican and were forced to make a jump from it. Especially since there is a video on Waypoint with a short segment on Red Team's generator defense and landing.
2). Why do you say they had enough time? Things weren't truly dire at Reach until the second Covenant fleet (Fleet of Particular Justice) arrived on the 30th, and that was when Operation RED FLAG was canceled, after the second fleet arrived.
Again, you aren't reading what I'm typing. Beta had ONLY 300 Spatan III's. Tom stated that in training there was only 300 slots for them to fill. Thus, this means that if all 300 Spartan III's save for Tom and Lucy died in TORPEDO then Noble 6 was never a part of that 300 and therefore was never augmented. There is no room for Beta to have extras. Tom's quote makes sure of that.
I am reading what you say/type, however what you are saying is not right, and is refusing to acknowledge new canon information. I do not have GoO with me, so I cannot check information out properly, but from what I remember GoO was incredibly vague on the details of the SIII program and augmentations.
See, this argument has been bugging me alot. You keep telling me ONI can do something cause that's what they do and how they are as if that is evidence. It isn't. ONI doesn't just spend their days kidnapping people and finding crafty ways to do everything in complete secrecy. They are a group of people with ulterior motives and they will go about achieving those goals with the utmost efficiency. Kidnapping and non-existence isn't always their answer.
BTW, the pods were dropped out of slipspace, they did not travel through it on their own power. So the ship would have had to be reasonably close to the planet. What made it safe for them was the fact they didn't have to leave slipspace. Still you have yet to give me evidence beyond one piece of marketing and mounds of conjecture.
I never said they did or that it was always the answer, it is a logical conclusion to make that they would, or could, kidnap someone secretly and effectively make them completely vanish however, as they have done it several times before.
I never said they could get there on their own power, I knew they had to be dropped into Slipspace by a ship. Remember, I said that this wasn't something I actually thought, I merely said it was a possibility.
If you've read the books, you should know that augmentation wasn't the only potentially fatal thing in the program. Training is equally dangerous as is Onyx itself. Over the course of several years of training I am sure a good number of them either cracked mentally, were injured greatly or possibly even died during a training exercise.
None of the Spartans were ever able to manage killing each other during training, their trainers...maybe, but not each other. And the trainers wouldn't kill them either, no matter how much they roughed them up. I don't remember Onyx being a particularly dangerous place, no more dangerous than Reach, well until those Sentinels came along anyway. And the only Spartans we've ever heard of cracking in any way are two fo the ones who escaped in Homecoming, and then committed suicide when they met their clones. If any Spartans cracked, it would have been mentioned in some way somewhere.
A description of strength, height, weight, technology? Any of these would be helpful. Knowing about the potential of an enemy is just as good as knowing exactly what their capable of. Unfortunately, in First Strike the enemy and all details about them were a mystery.
because contact with Brutes had been minimal, it would not surprise me if Chief hadn't fought them before, even though, despite what you seem to wish to think, they were encountered on Harvest at the start of the war.
Yet, for some reason, it cannot send any communique? The ship should have been able to at least send a message to the UNSC even without its Slipspace drive. Halo Wars itself is a huge conundrum because while I agree that, specifically as an RTS, the game required many of those elements it could have easily been in an entirely different time period. But if what happens in-game is so easily disregarded as gameplay based then we could possibly say that in Reach the Spartan III's didn't ahve MJOLNIR nor did they have shields (seeing as Kat died despite having her armor on). Hell, perhaps they aren't even III's seeing as the game doesn't even state they are.
Even if it did send out a message, it would probably take the message almost as long the ship itself to return to UNSC space, the UNSC does not have instantaneous communication, even the messages launched via Slipspace are not instantaneous.
if you said that you would be wrong however, as it has been stated that Noble Team received the Mark V variant of Mjolner Armor. Also, IIRC, it was stated about Halo Wars that content that technology that shouldn't be there at that particular time was merely a gameplay element. Extra material for the game states that they are IIIs though, such as the bios and information regarding Noble Team released on this site.
We don't think, we KNOW. DIRECTLY CONFLICTING STATEMENTS about how long the battle of Reach took place. A group of soldiers that was originally stated as all KIA (the III's) with armor they SHOULD NOT HAVE. These are all DIRECT CONFLICTS with existing storyline. This isn't about "thinking" they don't fit but them actually not fitting.
Well, like it or not, new information regarding canon takes priority over the old and the games take precedence over the books, and no, this was not something Bungie instituted to excuse Reach, this has been in place for quite a while now.And what I said was people are on here -blam!-ing because they either don't like it and are taking the changes almost personally OR they think it doesn't fit, it's one of those two, or a mix of both coming from the people arguing against Reach.
It isn't about it not being the same. It is about it almost completely disregarding the book. I swear it is almost as if they themselves hadn't read the novel with how conflicting it truly is with both FoR and GoO. If anyone is sticking their fingers in their ears its you. I've heard every argument you have stated, asked questions about them and yet you insist on sitting here promising me that "oh, the Halo Bible and Bungie have all the info so in there it MUST make sense!". The fact is it does not.
*sigh* There are almost no conflicts between the game and the books, note I did not say that there weren't any I agree that it conflicts, there are conflicts between Reach and TFoR. However, people are blowing things completely out of proportion and are not even willing to search for ways that it all still works, they are sticking their fingers in their ears and simply not listening! I am perfectly willing to hear what those who do not agree with my opinion have to say, and I am likewise perfectly willing to concede ideas that are weak or agree with them if they say a particular theory is weak. No, you have completely missed what I was saying, what I am saying is that making blanket statements dealing in total absolutes about Halo's canon or story is absurd because we have not seen the Halo Bible, only Bungie and 343i have. Making such statements as "Reach broke canon" or "TFoR is not canon" (yes, I've seen comments like that) or "Reach non-canon" are absurd because we do not know what connections exist, if any, so making such claims as that are absurd. Saying, TFoR and Reach have conflicts between them is ludicrous though, because there are minor conflicts between them, but neither one is non-canon or breaking canon, and claiming that is silly because we don't know how the canon has changed since Halo's inception.