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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
1. Do you know how physics work? A booster that takes something from the ground into orbit only needs to overcome gravity's effect on it. Something that is entering the atmosphere not only has that force to contend with but all of its kinetic energy as well. For example if you have a stationary car in neutral, you can push it forwards probably by yourself depending on the car. But if that car is rolling backwards at 10 miles an hour I doubt you'll be able to stop it, let alone reverse its direction entirely.
And what significance does Cortana's fragment posses that changes anything? Almost all the events that lead up to Halo CE are completely unrelated to the information that the fragment contained.
2. In Fall of Reach, they were already on their way out of the system starting Red Flag when they were recalled to Reach. If not, then why was Red Flag aborted if not because of the attack on Reach? That was the original reason but in your version it wouldn't have been cancelled till attempting to do it in the middle of Reach being attacked.
My understanding of physics is perfectly fine. The boosters would act very much like the parachutes used on the old Saturn V type rockets the astronauts used in the 60s. The only difference being that they're rockets attached to the lower side of the ship instead of a parachute issuing from the top.
We can only guess right now, but not knowing does not mean it is unimportant, and there nothing introduced to Halo that is seemingly unimportant or disconnected from the story that has not been left unanswered yet. I am perfectly willing to wait and see what comes up later and be satisfied now with the statement by Halsey that the information is a game changer just as important as the invention of the conical bullet and FTL travel.
2. And there is nothing wrong with that. Until the second flet arrived on the 30th the UNSC could have beaten the Covenant back and possibly won the battle, sending the Spartans out on RED FLAG would not have hindered them in anyway significant, especially since they had several SIII teams such as Noble as their disposal who were just about as good as the SIIs. And then they're preparing to leave when Fermion Station detects the Fleet of Particular Justice, and all ships are recalled to Reach. And remember, RED FLAG was not truly scrapped until the Spartans chose to head to the Generators and Reach Station Gamma.
No, its just more wrong than your single .jpg on b.net from the marketing division. The point here isn't about their validity but the facts of them conflicting. Just because one is newer doesn't immediately make it not conflict with older canon.
What .jpg are the you talking about?!? I haven't linked any images, not that I remember, so please inform me of what the hell you're talking about, please.
You're missing the point, if new information conflicts with older information, the new information is what is regarded as valid canon and the older information is either discarded or tweaked to fit in with the new.
Yes, but that amount of time isn't mere days or weeks. But months and years. And in months and years many things can happen.
That is true, but Spartans actually killing each other is not one of them.
First, you are equating visual information to text based information which in and of itself isn't correct. Second, you are forgetting that information is power in the right hands. Spartans are the right hands
I am not really equating them at all. Visual information will be slightly more helpful than written, however neither one can compare to actual experience. And no matter what you've read or watched or how much you have done so you will be at a slight disadvantage when first encountering it. Spartans may be super-human, but they are still human and bound by all human limitations in some way or another.
Order of Canon importance:
1. Games
2. Books
3. Extraneous Fiction (Halo Legends)
4. Marketing
The only weight your marketing material has over my book quotations is how new it is. And even then, they still conflict. This thread, which I have to say again, is not about which canon is better or more right but about if the new canon doesn't fit with the old.
And I've already stated, multiple times in fact, that the new canon outranks the old, meaning that when it comes to conflicts between sources (unless it's a just for fun sort of thing like Odd One Out) released by the developer, or those with ties to them, then the winner of the contention is the new information. New canon does not have to agree with the old because this system is in place. Like for instance in everything after TFoR it was said the Elites and Hunters had been encountered throughout the war, and until the reprint of TFoR, this did not agree with what it said; yet it was the golden standard because it was newer information.
No, it mentions here knowing about Spartans that weren't her Spartans. Still, she shouldn't have known anything about them since she really never came into contact with them nor was she looking for them. On top of that, in GoO she had not met them until she traveled to Onyx with the other Spartan II's. The book clearly indicates this was the first time she had heard anything about them. But I will say it didn't do a horrible job, it just wasn't a very GOOD job either.
From what I've heard about the Journal it never says outright that Halsey knew about other Spartans, until she met Noble Team, and was merely entertaining the suspiscion due to shipments of augmentation supplies and the brief and unexplainable disappearance of that UNSC medical ship. Actually Halsey knew outright what she'd find at Onyx, other Spartans created by Ackerson using her research.
Did I ever say anything was non-canon? No, I said it BREAKS canon. That is not synonymous with it being non-canon. I think you may be misinterpreting me here. I may have mentioned prefering certain parts of canon, but never did I once say that any part of Reach was non-canon, nor anything else.
I am sorry, I am not really trying to imply that you are saying Reach is non-canon. It just so happened to be the argument I used because many of the other people who find fault with Reach say it is non-canon.
I realize the difference, but I do not think either one is a good claim to make.
I don't understand that last part. Conflicting IS breaking canon. Especially if it is a rewriting of past events. That is called a retcon, the equivalent of a patch job to make things fit because the canon has broken into incoherent bits. After Halo Reach, the Halo storyline is in desperate need of such a patch job. But, as many others here feel, I think the game itself needs the patching and not the original novels. I spent many weeks reading into those novels and now what Bungie is asking me to do is repurchase and devote more time to relearning what I already know because they felt like making a story that didn't match up with what they had already done. Those who don't mind this are those who are far more tolerant of wasted time than I am.
I disagree, I do not think conflicting information is necessarily a canon break, because we don't have all the puzzle pieces or the whole picture. Conflicting events can break canon, and that is where a retcon is needed. However, I do not think this is the scenario with Reach. I do not think it breaks canon, because all of the events in the account of the Battle of Reach in TFoR can and still do happen, and on the dates they are on in the book too.