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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien
Posted by: OrderedComa
They are very similar principles meant to achieve the same affect, slowing the descent of a craft coming in from outer space. I know how the shuttle lands, that's why I used the Saturn V as a comparison and not the shuttle.
Except the Saturn V never landed on solid ground. It landed in the ocean (and used parachutes, not thrusters). Unless you mean the Lunar Lander landing on the surface of the moon. The only reason that worked was because of the moon's gravity being so low and the craft being incredibly light.
The PoA is an entirely different beast. I can understand Frigates being able to fly around the surface, but the PoA was a much larger ship.
I very highly doubt that it was thrown in there for no reason at all. And assuming it is important or has any importance is not premature if it is stated in the game that it is of vast importance. And also, we have a trilogy currently going that details many things and solves many mysteries of the Forerunner era. The information under SWORD Base could very easily tie into the Forerunner Trilogy, or build off a development within it to be revealed in either the set of books set after Halo 3 or lead into something important in Halo 4.
There is no Halo 4, first off. Second it is rare that the games lead into the books directly. In fact, they never have. I agree that it may have a purpose but we will have to see if that purpose is realized within the re-creation of Halo CE that 343 is overseeing.
Are you referring to the Long Night of Solace? 'Cause I wasn't, I was talking about the fleet that comes in after it was destroyed. And the UNSC knows the Covenant's limits, they know what they can safely take on and neutralize.
If I were the UNSC, if I saw a Covenant carrier at a key planet I would immediately call back all available ships in anticipation of more Covenant arriving. Better safe than sorry. They know the location of the planet, it is only a matter of time before it gets attacked.
I'm not contradicting myself at all. I don't think that the events of Reach and TFoR can't fit. I'm talking about conflicts in general, meaning if there is no way they can fit. Such as the original release of TFoR saying that Elites were not encountered until Reach and other media portraying Elites being fought throughout the war. That sort of situation would be where the new is the canon and the old is either tweaked or is no longer canon.
It just seems like a waste to throw out old canon. It is basically taking fan effort and flushing it down a toilet and telling them to re-learn what they already know. It just seems that those who write this canon haven't even tried to make things fit.
I'm not saying that it's futile, I'm saying it can't compare to the actual situation or enemy itself. Visual information can indeed be helpful, I'm not disputing that, I'm merely saying that even with visuals of Brutes (which the UNSC had a general lack of intel on) and how they fight the person fighting them would still be at a slight disadvantage.
Well my point is I'm sure the UNSC would do everything in their power to dip the odds as much in their favor as possible.
If one is a higher authority than the other (IE game or new), then it doesn't have to make sense. I think we're both a bit hard headed in this argument :P We've both made arguments that have blown completely over the other's head.
Yes, I admit I am stubborn. But I believe that if you have established a universe that your fanbase has put effort into learning and enjoying you should try as hard as possible to remain true to what they love. Bungie has somewhat failed here.
And as for your analogy, no, if there is a clearly defined process of how things rank, then no, I would not be asking why they did not match. I would not necessarily like it, but I would not question it. I view the Prequel Trilogy of Star Wars much the same way, I dislike what George Lucas did with it, but I don't really question why some things don't entirely match up.
"He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes; he who does not ask a question remains a fool forever" - Chinese Proverb
"You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions." - Naquib Mahfouz
"The power to question is the basis of all human progress." - Indira Ghandi
"Socrates, you will remember, asked all the important questions - but he never answered any of them" - Dickson Richards
Questions are necessary. There are some things that are out of your hands but fortunately the gaming community does have an influence over the games and lore the developers create. That is how the gaming industry began and it does somewhat operate that way today.
Actually no you really can't, Halsey's Journal fixed whatever would have been a conflict between Reach and Ghosts of Onyx regarding Halsey and Noble Team (unless you are referring to First Strike).
I am referring to First Strike, and no Halsey's Journal didn't really fix much at all.
We shouldn't make baseless claims such as "x breaks canon" or "x is non-canon" because there are imagined or actual conflicts with previous sources is what I am saying.
If there is actual conflict, the these claims aren't "baseless".
If things don't fit or don't seem to fit we should be discussing them. And by discussing I mean proposing theories or ideas on how they can be reconciled, not one side saying "there are errors, and there is no way they can match the previously established material" and the other saying "ok, the two conflict, how can they still work", or "ok, these look like they conflict at first glance, but they really don't, there's still a question of how they match though, let's try and figure it out", or a mix of the previous two.
And I am not really using "we don't know the whole picture" as evidence. I am using to show that claims such as "x breaks canon" are baseless assumptions. Because we really don't know how things link. So what may appear to conflict or not be linked may in fact connect very nicely but they only seem to not to because we don't have the whole picture, or they are completely inseparable events.
They aren't baseless. But I understand your point. Just keep in mind that without questions there are no answers and my purpose here is to try and ask the questions you guys can't answer. But instead many of you just glaze over the really hard questions and give half-hearted replies or avoid the questions all together. We know the canon, and we understand that this canon will (hopefully) get mended and smoothed back into a fluid stream of events. What I am wondering is why the current canon has been rewritten. I have checked several times and it could have easily been kept unchanged. Yet here we are with an entirely new book needing to be written and a total of three books disagreeing with the most recent game.
Again, my intent is also not to "crucify" anyone. But you would think that when dealing with more than likely the most closely held Halo book in the saga they would at least read the book recently enough to recall events correctly.
[Edited on 05.03.2011 1:14 PM PDT]