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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Killer Cajun
The body armor on the marines were completly different
Those were army, not marines.


Actually, after going through the MP map boneyard area, you encounter solely marines, and not Army troopers.

Also Cajun, again, graphical update.

  • 05.20.2011 1:16 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

I wish they never made the game on Reach.

If it was like Halo:Harvest. I would be content.

  • 05.20.2011 1:25 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ninjakenzen
I wish they never made the game on Reach.

If it was like Halo:Harvest. I would be content.


But then it would be ODST all over again, no shields or anything ):

  • 05.20.2011 1:26 PM PDT

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No, I mean if they set the game in Harvest.

Reach was too ambitious for them.

  • 05.20.2011 1:29 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ninjakenzen
No, I mean if they set the game in Harvest.

Reach was too ambitious for them.


But in order to play in Harvest then they would need to set the timeline to 2525-2530, thus not having any shields in gameplay.

  • 05.20.2011 1:32 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Oh yeah, was thinking about Halo Wars Red Team with energy shields.

I can't remember if that's canon or not lol. Soz derailing this thread.

  • 05.20.2011 1:37 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Oh yeah, was thinking about Halo Wars Red Team with energy shields.

I can't remember if that's canon or not lol. Soz derailing this thread.


Nah, that's a gameplay element implemented to make the Spartans stronger.

  • 05.20.2011 1:41 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Ahh, then i guess i would prefer no shields in Harvest.

At least that would solve the melee shield no-bleedthrough.
:P

[Edited on 05.20.2011 1:57 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 1:44 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I have come to the conclusion that Halo: Reach is ONI propaganda. All of it. Just lies told to the public to make them believe all those at Reach fought like heroes and weren't massacred in one day. Noble Teams existence is only on paper to give the people faces to call the "heroes of Reach". ONI leaked only as much information as they wanted to to make it look the way they wanted.

"Fighting spirit of Noble"? Give me a break.

Lies!!

[Edited on 05.20.2011 2:34 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 2:32 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I have come to the conclusion that Halo: Reach is ONI propaganda. All of it. Just lies told to the public to make them believe all those at Reach fought like heroes and weren't massacred in one day. Noble Teams existence is only on paper to give the people faces to call the "heroes of Reach". ONI leaked only as much information as they wanted to to make it look the way they wanted.

"Fighting spirit of Noble"? Give me a break.

Lies!!


If this is true (which I myself am a subscriber to) then Halo Canon= fixed.

  • 05.20.2011 2:44 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I have come to the conclusion that Halo: Reach is ONI propaganda. All of it. Just lies told to the public to make them believe all those at Reach fought like heroes and weren't massacred in one day. Noble Teams existence is only on paper to give the people faces to call the "heroes of Reach". ONI leaked only as much information as they wanted to to make it look the way they wanted.

"Fighting spirit of Noble"? Give me a break.

Lies!!


And that assumption would be rather flawed for several reasons. Like for instance, when information was released by ONI the war was over, there would be no further need to release propaganda that ONI just pulled out of their ass about how the accounts of battles went. Why would they do that when there is no longer a reason to keep morale for a losing war up?
And as well, why would they write such obvious lies to each other in personal communications. Everyone in ONI and the military would know the truth about how long Reach lasted, there would be no need to actually state that "this is the most accurate account of information we've been able to gather about the events on Reach". That's just stupid, they would know how long the battle really lasted, if Reach was entirely propaganda then the communication would have been written more like this "ok, here's the sequence of events that command has cooked up and decided they want on the history books".

  • 05.20.2011 3:02 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: OrderedComa
And that assumption would be rather flawed for several reasons. Like for instance, when information was released by ONI the war was over, there would be no further need to release propaganda that ONI just pulled out of their ass about how the accounts of battles went. Why would they do that when there is no longer a reason to keep morale for a losing war up?

Cause those who win wars don't write the history, eh? So you think a government agency would lie to their people for morale purposes then when the war is over just admit to lying? I doubt it. Not that I believe this idea anymore than you but honestly ONI was already lying to the people with the Spartan MIA rule.

  • 05.20.2011 3:16 PM PDT


Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: OrderedComa
And that assumption would be rather flawed for several reasons. Like for instance, when information was released by ONI the war was over, there would be no further need to release propaganda that ONI just pulled out of their ass about how the accounts of battles went. Why would they do that when there is no longer a reason to keep morale for a losing war up?

Cause those who win wars don't write the history, eh? So you think a government agency would lie to their people for morale purposes then when the war is over just admit to lying? I doubt it. Not that I believe this idea anymore than you but honestly ONI was already lying to the people with the Spartan MIA rule.


I'm not saying they'd come out and tell the truth (and it seems to be almost common knowledge how Reach fell), I'm merely pointing out/asking why start telling new lies that aren't maintaining or backing up old ones when the war is over and there's no more real need to.

  • 05.20.2011 3:23 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm not saying they'd come out and tell the truth (and it seems to be almost common knowledge how Reach fell), I'm merely pointing out/asking why start telling new lies that aren't maintaining or backing up old ones when the war is over and there's no more real need to.

Humoring the theory, and going along with the idea of retcon, it could easily be written as being the original story, and therefore the original cover-up/propaganda.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 5:14 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 5:14 PM PDT

Banned and proud of it.

This is STILL going?

Good job, I suppose.

  • 05.20.2011 5:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, after going through the MP map boneyard area, you encounter solely marines, and not Army troopers.

Also Cajun, again, graphical update.
This is true, but for all the other missions it's all army.

  • 05.20.2011 6:19 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, after going through the MP map boneyard area, you encounter solely marines, and not Army troopers.

Also Cajun, again, graphical update.
This is true, but for all the other missions it's all army.

I doubt there is a such thing as "army" in Halo. There would be no need for it in space based navy. You would really only have Marines and Naval personnel (Army/Marines combine and Airforce/Navy combine). Halo's Marine equivalent are the ODST's. And a majority of the PoA's crew were actually ODST's, not Marines.

  • 05.20.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm not saying they'd come out and tell the truth (and it seems to be almost common knowledge how Reach fell), I'm merely pointing out/asking why start telling new lies that aren't maintaining or backing up old ones when the war is over and there's no more real need to.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any media of Halo canon ever telling us that civilians knew how Reach fell (or at least know it well enough that they couldn't just say "oh no this is what really happened"). For all we know they want this to be what's in the history books, and so they'll educate children this way.

Sure, some marines may know. People may know the truth, but ONI doesn't care. ONI would just re educate (or educate) the entire new generation to believe this. Why? I don't know, but it sure as hell would fix all the canon errors in one big sweep. Perhaps it would be to give people the sense that even though humanity was brought so close to the end there was always hope. Re educating the populace is not as hard as it seems when the entire government of humanity is doing it.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 6:24 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I doubt there is a such thing as "army" in Halo. There would be no need for it in space based navy. You would really only have Marines and Naval personnel (Army/Marines combine and Airforce/Navy combine). Halo's Marine equivalent are the ODST's. And a majority of the PoA's crew were actually ODST's, not Marines.
From the Halo: Reach project page:

The DMR [...] prior to 2548, it has since been superseded in use by the BR55 in all branches but the Army.

This would tell us that there is in fact a difference between the army and marines, even if it is a small one. Besides, aren't S-II's navy and S-III's army?

[Edited on 05.20.2011 6:29 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 6:28 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I doubt there is a such thing as "army" in Halo. There would be no need for it in space based navy. You would really only have Marines and Naval personnel (Army/Marines combine and Airforce/Navy combine). Halo's Marine equivalent are the ODST's. And a majority of the PoA's crew were actually ODST's, not Marines.
From the Halo: Reach project page:

The DMR [...] prior to 2548, it has since been superseded in use by the BR55 in all branches but the Army.

This would tell us that there is in fact a difference between the army and marines, even if it is a small one. Besides, aren't S-II's navy and S-III's army?


Spartan III's are still the Navy jurisdiction, being part of NavSpecWarCOM/NavSpecWarWep. Noble Team are the only exception to this being part of SPECWAR Group Three whom is part of the Special Warfare Command, which is the Army's special units branch.

  • 05.20.2011 6:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are still the Navy jurisdiction, being part of NavSpecWarCOM/NavSpecWarWep. Noble Team are the only exception to this being part of SPECWAR Group Three whom is part of the Special Warfare Command, which is the Army's special units branch.
Another inconsistency, further supporting my above post that...
HALO: REACH IS NOTHING BUT ONI PROPAGANDA

I'm actually starting to believe it, too.

  • 05.20.2011 6:41 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
From the Halo: Reach project page:

The DMR [...] prior to 2548, it has since been superseded in use by the BR55 in all branches but the Army.

This would tell us that there is in fact a difference between the army and marines, even if it is a small one. Besides, aren't S-II's navy and S-III's army?

What use does the Army have in a space faring military? Anyway, the books never mention a general Army if I recall and seeing as this is about the DMR its fairly recent. Not discounting the idea, just that there really is no talk at all about the Army.

  • 05.20.2011 6:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
From the Halo: Reach project page:

The DMR [...] prior to 2548, it has since been superseded in use by the BR55 in all branches but the Army.

This would tell us that there is in fact a difference between the army and marines, even if it is a small one. Besides, aren't S-II's navy and S-III's army?

What use does the Army have in a space faring military? Anyway, the books never mention a general Army if I recall and seeing as this is about the DMR its fairly recent. Not discounting the idea, just that there really is no talk at all about the Army.

Ghosts of Onyx mentioned Ackerson wore an Army uniform when he meets Kurt after ONI snatches him.

  • 05.20.2011 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
What use does the Army have in a space faring military? Anyway, the books never mention a general Army if I recall and seeing as this is about the DMR its fairly recent. Not discounting the idea, just that there really is no talk at all about the Army.

Ghosts of Onyx mentioned Ackerson wore an Army uniform when he meets Kurt after ONI snatches him.
I understand an army is useless in the UNSC, all I'm saying is that it's there. Why I can't tell you, but it is.

  • 05.20.2011 6:56 PM PDT

Ackerson was army, even in the first version of the books.

Where the marines and navy are widespread, the army is more of a defense force from what I gather.

  • 05.20.2011 7:09 PM PDT