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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


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i was almost positive than Jun was from beta company, could be wrong tho...


Jun-A266, nope

  • 05.25.2011 6:53 PM PDT
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What about the error of Dr. Halsey not knowing about the spartan III's till she got to onyx, yet had multiple interactions with noble team on reach?

  • 05.25.2011 8:10 PM PDT

Cant really get back into this thread properly not 90 pages wtf. But i will say this, if 343i explain Reach by going the Dallas dream sequence route im gonna be quite pissed.

Also with regard to rated for atmosphere/unsc ships hovering etc, its likely that the unsc have a rudimentary reactionless-drive technology perhaps reverse-engineered from the covies, and that this technology is perhaps based on the concept of mass-nullification IE removing a certain amount of inertia from an object. There is perhaps some scientific basis for this if the Higgs boson really does exist and the LHC finds it in 2012 or whatever, and lets say they find a way to neutralise it in the future.

This would leave a set of main engines or even thrusters on a ship able to move the ship around as if it weighed much less that normal, which it actually would.

But the primitive system the UNSC has can only be scaled up to so much power, hence whilst frigates can use it to hover overground all day using minimal thruster power and break atmosphere again etc, something as huge as an old retro-fitted cruiser using the same system could only really use it to nullify enough mass-inertia in space so that the thing was actually manoeuvrable at all IE so the ship was able to turn around and point the MAC gun at something in a timely fashion.

When it comes to landing on Reach, it seems likely the ship would have had to be rigged with some sort of re-entry kit whilst in orbit just to get down, perhaps this was some sort of huge specialist reactionless-drive rig so the autumn would essentially float down. Then relying on its own internal mass-nullifying hardware, it was able to get out of the drydock using those improbably small looking boosters because they are now lifting much less weight than they appear to be. Notice in the cutscene the boosters were still only able to lift the autumn a few hundred feet out of the dock and get its nose pointed upwards so that the main engines could actually power it into space, they dropped away as soon as those conditions were achieved, and thats all they were meant for.

I just pulled all of this out of my ass of course but i think it may be an explanation if you let it be.

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  • 05.25.2011 8:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: lolmew
What about the error of Dr. Halsey not knowing about the spartan III's till she got to onyx, yet had multiple interactions with noble team on reach?


She didn't know about the Spartan IIIs until she uncovered Ackerson's files and confirmed it on Onyx. Yes she interacted with them, but she had no clue that they were IIIs. Just Spartans.

  • 05.25.2011 8:41 PM PDT
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but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.

  • 05.25.2011 8:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: lolmew
but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.


Uh dude...if you didn't notice, their names are stenciled on their armor...So of course she would know their names if she called them out. Also when does she call them (any of the IIIs) out by name in the game? She only calls them by their Noble callsign or rank.

If you're referring to the ViDoC then of course she'd say their names when she's reading them off in a promotional video to get the consumer acquainted with the Spartans in the game...That would not count.


She is clearly unaware of the full extent of the SIII program in her journal even after meeting Noble, so there is no error in her interacting with Noble team.

  • 05.25.2011 9:09 PM PDT


Posted by: lolmew
but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.


Read Halsey's journal. There were multiple attempts to recreate her Spartans and she thought it was just another copy (which it was) and she began to believe it was Ackerson's doing so she investigated and she found out all about S-III's. so you could say Noble led to Ghosts of Onyx.

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Posted by: lolmew
but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.


Uh dude...if you didn't notice, their names are stenciled on their armor...


News to me. unless you are talking about the cover of the re-print in which case it is just Art.

the canon behind the armor being unisex hasn't changed.

  • 05.26.2011 4:50 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: lolmew
but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.


Uh dude...if you didn't notice, their names are stenciled on their
armor...


News to me. unless you are talking about the cover of the re-print in which.
case it is just Art.

the canon behind the armor being unisex hasn't changed.




2 things. I already explained about Halsey's relationship with Noble and the
III's. And she could tell if a female was in the armor or not.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: lolmew
but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.


Uh dude...if you didn't notice, their names are stenciled on their
armor...


News to me. unless you are talking about the cover of the re-print in which.
case it is just Art.

the canon behind the armor being unisex hasn't changed.




2 things. I already explained about Halsey's relationship with Noble and the
III's. And she could tell if a female was in the armor or not.


I was talking to slasher not you, i already knew all of this.


And to clarify, Halsy doesn't know NOBLE are IIIs she just thinks they are another group of spartans.

  • 05.26.2011 5:06 AM PDT

She thinks they're a copy of her Spartans she knows that they aren't her spartans.

  • 05.26.2011 7:43 AM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I'm just saying that from how Ghosts of Onyx puts things, and the fact the Headhunters were completely hidden from the rest of the III's it may be safe to assume that they were not a part of Kurt's III's at all.


Well I wouldn't go so far as to say they weren't Kurt's he was probably involved with the Headhunters in some slight capacity, maybe not training or anything, but he probably was involved in some slight way. But yeah I think it's safe to say that the Headhunters aren't really part of the main body of IIIs.

Its logical because assuming it did something is more prone to error than assuming it was just there already. In the original book that was the way it was made out to be. How can it have "just arrive" if it was around long enough for Cortana to assault it (something she would be hard pressed to do while on the Autumn without a linkup to the ONI grid or during a Covenant engagement).

Meh :/ Both equally illogical to me and as prone to error, but hey that's just me. I didn't say it just arrived, not what I meant at least, what I meant was it arrived somewhat close to the 30th. And IIRC, wasn't all information on the Circumference removed and the whole thing locked down because of Cortana's poking around in ONI's files to get Ackerson transferred to a field position again and not from trying to find stuff out about the Circumference itself, or rather something like that?

The Cole Protocol states that they do so on CONTACT with the Covenant, that doesn't mean handshaking distance but within visible/sensor range. When the Covenant show up, it usually means they're there for a reason. After all, I'm sure the UNSC could tell at that point the Covenant's mission was not conquest, but extermination.

That's kind of what I've been trying to say about the Cole Protocol all along, a situation where it was dead certain the Covenant would come directly across them, such as with Fermion, or within distance where it'd be possible for the Covenant to attack.

You are taking my analogy too literally. The reason I say they are pointing in one direction is because literally half of the position you are defending now no longer has any defenses. If all you guns are on one side of the planet you can only fire on things that are visible from that position which means the other side of the planet is a giant blind spot. Defending a planet is far different than defending a ground position. You have to worry about all three spatial dimensions.

And the range of the SMAC's was their falloff, in other words their effective accuracy as with any projectile weapon. The round can only move so fast and therefore as the distance increases the accuracy decreases. At some point the Covenant ships would just maneuver out of the way. That doesn't really mean anything for something BELOW the SMAC's, seeing as I'm sure they are designed to fire farther than their orbital distance from the planet. In that case there is no such thing as "out of range" in the planet's atmosphere (which is exactly where that ship is at the start of the game).

The last part has me confused. The UNSC wasn't "planning" for anything. A ship suddenly shows up, hell yeah they'll diver a portion of their defenses to destroying it. And if it is a prelude to a Covenant attack then grouping up their weapons in one nice, targetable cluster would be the LAST thing they would do.


I'm just saying what the book indicates, that all 20 SMACs are in one group together on one side of the planet. I'm not really saying it's smart, but that's how it seemed the book had set it all up.

If you ask me, firing below the SMACs at something that would be deliberately keeping out of effective range would be too risky, especially if it's in the planet's atmosphere. Firing a SMAC round at full strength (which is what would be required to even dent the Supercarrier and its defenses) into the atmosphere would not be a very wise move.

I was talking about Kat's plan, which she came up with basically right after the Supercarrier was discovered. I meant, if they already have a plan for removing the Supercarrier come up with, why would they move their SMACs to take it out and possibly lose several of them in the process.

Master Chief is an enlisted man, not an officer. I also think his idea, if he even had it, was based on the assumption they'd win the battle.

I'm sorry but I don't see what Chief being an enlisted man and not an officer has to do with what I said before :/
He did have it, it's in the book, that may indeed be true, but whatever he thought RED FLAG wasn't really scrapped until the deployments of Red and Blue Team.

Halo 2 was a point of civil war within the Covenant, its understandable for them to question their superiors seeing as that was the point. But, during Reach, CE and pretty much everything beforehand the Prophets indoctrinated the Covenant to despising Humanity to the point that they wouldn't even touch their weaponry and considered speaking in the human tongue disgusting.

And most of the Covenant engagements show their lack of competence in complex warfare. The Covenant's fighting methods are more akin the British in the American Revolution while the UNSC is the United States. On top of that I feel the main reason the Covenant were so rash in their combat techniques was because of their dogmatic approach. Altering their ways would be admitting defeat just as much as losing the battle.


They didn't just randomly start thinking that way as soon as they split off from the Covenant, they've thought that way since at least CE. It of course varries from Elite to Elite, but they've regarded Humanity as worthy opponents for a while. And I never said they liked Humanity, I just said they respected their tenacity and knew that Humans were not something to underestimate when fighting.

  • 05.26.2011 8:09 AM PDT

I don't mean to come in at the last second and throw my two cents to a serious disscussion, but there are some things I'm curious about.

Now I only read a few of the books such as: TFoR, GHosts of Onyx, First Strike, and the Flood along with some of Halo Waypoints live action comics.

That being said I don't know 100% of the cannon at this point and a lot of it is getting meshed with new content overriding outdated lore.

While I wish that this game followed the book and would of been more enjoyable for me and not break a bit of cannon, (opinion) theres one thing I wished explain to me.

1. Why are the Brutes on Reach (not for gameplay purposes but canon wise)?

- The Brutes arent introduced to humanity until Harvest right? And that was way before Reach, but they wernt a part of the Covenant and I think they were just savage packs that had their own personal motives.
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Note: I love the Halo universe and the lore it brings but with so much stuff being revived and altered to fit new canon that conflicts with old canon begins to confuse me. So if I'm dead wrong about anything I said forgive me for my ignorance.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Brutes were well represented and justified.

Brutes were pulled back from the frontlines after harvest, but it wasn't said the were never used as shock troopers. nor did it say they never served again until the civil war.

They were only encountered in force one 1 level which was also close quarters.

So the brutes aren't an issue.

  • 05.26.2011 10:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: lolmew
but she knew all of her spartans by name, and actually adressed some of the III's by name.

She obviously knew they wherent II's...

Plus when she found that file, it was after the pillar of autumn had left.


Uh dude...if you didn't notice, their names are stenciled on their armor...


News to me. unless you are talking about the cover of the re-print in which case it is just Art.

the canon behind the armor being unisex hasn't changed.


Yep, if you look around their necks, all of Noble Team with the exception of Six have their names stenciled on them in game. Best seen in the cutscene before Long Night of Solace when they're in the cave.

Either way I'm not contesting about canon behind armor being unisex, so I have no idea why you're bringing that up.

The reason why I brought up the name thing was because the person that I quoted had said that Halsey knew the Spartan IIIs were IIIs, and had even called them out by name when that was clearly not the case in game. The reason why I bring out the name stenciling on the armor is because anyone could address Noble Team by name if they wanted even if they don't know them. Not because they're familiar with the SIII project.

Edit: Seems that I am mistaken. Their names aren't stenciled on their armor, but rather their serial number. Either way my original point when replying to mew still stands based on evidence from Halsey's journal. There is no error in her interacting with Noble Team.

[Edited on 05.26.2011 11:35 AM PDT]

  • 05.26.2011 11:15 AM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

The problem with Noble is that Halsey had no idea there was even another Spartan program running at the time. So assuming they were from another program would have been a stretch. But still, the bigger issue with Noble isn't really Halsey but the fact that the numbers from Alpha and Beta companies don't really allow for Noble to exist. Nor do their ages.

  • 05.26.2011 11:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
The problem with Noble is that Halsey had no idea there was even another Spartan program running at the time. So assuming they were from another program would have been a stretch. But still, the bigger issue with Noble isn't really Halsey but the fact that the numbers from Alpha and Beta companies don't really allow for Noble to exist. Nor do their ages.


She's had inklings that there was another program involving Spartans throughout her journal though from the disappearance of Mendez. The sudden transfer of resources of materials associated with Spartan development across several ONI labs across different planets. The augmentations on the Hopeful and its sudden disappearance and reappearance despite being a newly decommissioned ship. Time and again she outright notes in the journal that she'll get to the bottom of whatever is going on and suspects ONI is doing something Spartan related without her supervision which irks her, but she ends up being distracted by more immediate work. So she did have some idea rather than no idea another Spartan program was being run.

The SIII numbers are inconsistent though so there is that. We don't even know have many Alpha and Beta Spartans exist outside of Noble and the ones that died in Torpedo and Prometheus, but there's certainly a quite a few more than those in Noble at the time of Halo:Reach considering they can afford to rotate Spartans into the roster if need be...

  • 05.26.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Well I wouldn't go so far as to say they weren't Kurt's he was probably involved with the Headhunters in some slight capacity, maybe not training or anything, but he probably was involved in some slight way. But yeah I think it's safe to say that the Headhunters aren't really part of the main body of IIIs.

We wont really get anywhere with "probably".

Meh :/ Both equally illogical to me and as prone to error, but hey that's just me. I didn't say it just arrived, not what I meant at least, what I meant was it arrived somewhat close to the 30th. And IIRC, wasn't all information on the Circumference removed and the whole thing locked down because of Cortana's poking around in ONI's files to get Ackerson transferred to a field position again and not from trying to find stuff out about the Circumference itself, or rather something like that?
Whatever it was if it wasn't docked before the battle Cortana couldn't have poked around at all cause the ship wouldn't have been there.

That's kind of what I've been trying to say about the Cole Protocol all along, a situation where it was dead certain the Covenant would come directly across them, such as with Fermion, or within distance where it'd be possible for the Covenant to attack.
But a Covenant Supercarrier appearing over Reach isn't one of those situations?

I'm just saying what the book indicates, that all 20 SMACs are in one group together on one side of the planet. I'm not really saying it's smart, but that's how it seemed the book had set it all up.
I need a quote, cause an alternative quote indicates they surround Reach with the word "around". They may have moved later in the battle as an attempt to protect them (or due to the Covenant fleet appearing on one side of the planet) but I doubt they were in one spot initially.


If you ask me, firing below the SMACs at something that would be deliberately keeping out of effective range would be too risky, especially if it's in the planet's atmosphere. Firing a SMAC round at full strength (which is what would be required to even dent the Supercarrier and its defenses) into the atmosphere would not be a very wise move.

Well, then they should have blown it up on its way in. With a proper grid over the planet there would be no blind spots for 20 SMAC's surrounding the planet. You would always be in sight of at least one cannon.


I was talking about Kat's plan, which she came up with basically right after the Supercarrier was discovered. I meant, if they already have a plan for removing the Supercarrier come up with, why would they move their SMACs to take it out and possibly lose several of them in the process.

If they are arranged in a grid it would have taken minimal effort and time to do so. It only takes the Hubble 90m to orbit the Earth, the SMACS would have significantly less response time due to the number of them.

I'm sorry but I don't see what Chief being an enlisted man and not an officer has to do with what I said before :/
He did have it, it's in the book, that may indeed be true, but whatever he thought RED FLAG wasn't really scrapped until the deployments of Red and Blue Team.

It means he's not an officer so if an officer orders him to do something then that's what he's doing. Hijacking a ship on his own is not something MC would do (unless of course he was cut off from his superiors and it directly effected his mission).

They didn't just randomly start thinking that way as soon as they split off from the Covenant, they've thought that way since at least CE. It of course varries from Elite to Elite, but they've regarded Humanity as worthy opponents for a while. And I never said they liked Humanity, I just said they respected their tenacity and knew that Humans were not something to underestimate when fighting.
There is no real evidence to support that. Books like The Flood show the Elite's disdain for humanity. The Elites also seem to prefer a head-on, "honorable" battle which is fought on fair ground and we all know that humanity doesn't fight that way.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
The SIII numbers are inconsistent though so there is that. We don't even know have many Alpha and Beta Spartans exist outside of Noble and the ones that died in Torpedo and Prometheus, but there's certainly a quite a few more than those in Noble at the time of Halo:Reach considering they can afford to rotate Spartans into the roster if need be...

We know Beta consisted of exactly 300. Tom states that as the number of slots open for augmentation during training.

[Edited on 05.26.2011 12:02 PM PDT]

  • 05.26.2011 12:00 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa
Well I wouldn't go so far as to say they weren't Kurt's he was probably involved with the Headhunters in some slight capacity, maybe not training or anything, but he probably was involved in some slight way. But yeah I think it's safe to say that the Headhunters aren't really part of the main body of IIIs.

We wont really get anywhere with "probably".

Meh :/ Both equally illogical to me and as prone to error, but hey that's just me. I didn't say it just arrived, not what I meant at least, what I meant was it arrived somewhat close to the 30th. And IIRC, wasn't all information on the Circumference removed and the whole thing locked down because of Cortana's poking around in ONI's files to get Ackerson transferred to a field position again and not from trying to find stuff out about the Circumference itself, or rather something like that?
Whatever it was if it wasn't docked before the battle Cortana couldn't have poked around at all cause the ship wouldn't have been there.

That's kind of what I've been trying to say about the Cole Protocol all along, a situation where it was dead certain the Covenant would come directly across them, such as with Fermion, or within distance where it'd be possible for the Covenant to attack.
But a Covenant Supercarrier appearing over Reach isn't one of those situations?

I'm just saying what the book indicates, that all 20 SMACs are in one group together on one side of the planet. I'm not really saying it's smart, but that's how it seemed the book had set it all up.
I need a quote, cause an alternative quote indicates they surround Reach with the word "around". They may have moved later in the battle as an attempt to protect them (or due to the Covenant fleet appearing on one side of the planet) but I doubt they were in one spot initially.


If you ask me, firing below the SMACs at something that would be deliberately keeping out of effective range would be too risky, especially if it's in the planet's atmosphere. Firing a SMAC round at full strength (which is what would be required to even dent the Supercarrier and its defenses) into the atmosphere would not be a very wise move.

Well, then they should have blown it up on its way in. With a proper grid over the planet there would be no blind spots for 20 SMAC's surrounding the planet. You would always be in sight of at least one cannon.


I was talking about Kat's plan, which she came up with basically right after the Supercarrier was discovered. I meant, if they already have a plan for removing the Supercarrier come up with, why would they move their SMACs to take it out and possibly lose several of them in the process.

If they are arranged in a grid it would have taken minimal effort and time to do so. It only takes the Hubble 90m to orbit the Earth, the SMACS would have significantly less response time due to the number of them.

I'm sorry but I don't see what Chief being an enlisted man and not an officer has to do with what I said before :/
He did have it, it's in the book, that may indeed be true, but whatever he thought RED FLAG wasn't really scrapped until the deployments of Red and Blue Team.

It means he's not an officer so if an officer orders him to do something then that's what he's doing. Hijacking a ship on his own is not something MC would do (unless of course he was cut off from his superiors and it directly effected his mission).

They didn't just randomly start thinking that way as soon as they split off from the Covenant, they've thought that way since at least CE. It of course varries from Elite to Elite, but they've regarded Humanity as worthy opponents for a while. And I never said they liked Humanity, I just said they respected their tenacity and knew that Humans were not something to underestimate when fighting.
There is no real evidence to support that. Books like The Flood show the Elite's disdain for humanity. The Elites also seem to prefer a head-on, "honorable" battle which is fought on fair ground and we all know that humanity doesn't fight that way.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
The SIII numbers are inconsistent though so there is that. We don't even know have many Alpha and Beta Spartans exist outside of Noble and the ones that died in Torpedo and Prometheus, but there's certainly a quite a few more than those in Noble at the time of Halo:Reach considering they can afford to rotate Spartans into the roster if need be...

We know Beta consisted of exactly 300. Tom states that as the number of slots open for augmentation during training.


UL7IM4 G33K, the problem with this response and many like it is that you are working on direct statements alone and completely disregarding common sense.

Logic dictates that SPARTAN IIs being the greatest minds humanity has ever had will take tactical command over any officer on any battlefield if required, except for the higher echelons.
SPARTAN IIIs don't have this luxury as they don't officially exist.

Logic dictates that seeing as some Elites even respect the Grunts who opposed them, those same Elites will respect humanity who have held off the might of the covenant for nearly three decades.

Logic dictates that with all the secret SPARTANs and ONI cover-ups that Beta will be no different. We aren't given the full picture.

  • 05.26.2011 12:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: RotaryCookie
UL7IM4 G33K, the problem with this response and many like it is that you are working on direct statements alone and completely disregarding common sense.

Logic dictates that SPARTAN IIs being the greatest minds humanity has ever had will take tactical command over any officer on any battlefield if required, except for the higher echelons.
SPARTAN IIIs don't have this luxury as they don't officially exist.

Um... Spartans are NOT the "greatest minds humanity has ever had". It doesn't take a Spartan to be brilliant (Halsey, Keyes, Einstein, Aristotle, etc.)

Posted by: RotaryCookie
Logic dictates that seeing as some Elites even respect the Grunts who opposed them, those same Elites will respect humanity who have held off the might of the covenant for nearly three decades.

The Elites respected their tenacity and ruthlessness. That doesn't mean they respect the RACE. You can appreciate aspects of your enemies and friends but that only forms part of your overall opinion.

Posted by: RotaryCookie
Logic dictates that with all the secret SPARTANs and ONI cover-ups that Beta will be no different. We aren't given the full picture.

Tom, a member of Beta, stated that there was only 300 slots. I don't know about you but Tom isn't a member of ONI.

  • 05.26.2011 2:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Edit: Seems that I am mistaken. Their names aren't stenciled on their armor, but rather their serial number. Either way my original point when replying to mew still stands based on evidence from Halsey's journal. There is no error in her interacting with Noble Team.


Eh. Wouldn't say you're wrong about it. The names were originally stenciled onto the armor but it changed during development. Prefer the call sign over the name IMO.

  • 05.26.2011 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Edit: Seems that I am mistaken. Their names aren't stenciled on their armor, but rather their serial number. Either way my original point when replying to mew still stands based on evidence from Halsey's journal. There is no error in her interacting with Noble Team.


Eh. Wouldn't say you're wrong about it. The names were originally stenciled onto the armor but it changed during development. Prefer the call sign over the name IMO.


Ah so that's where I saw the name part. Thanks for the link.

  • 05.26.2011 3:55 PM PDT

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  • 05.27.2011 2:57 AM PDT

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It's a couple of very small details, but "Noble" Team was the error. The name itself, I mean. All spartan teams have been named after colors...

Also, Catherine Halsey was a complete b**** in Reach's Campaign. Even at the end of Ghosts of Onyx, however, she was still a motherly figure. I know that she has to act tough and hold emotion in for her Spartans, but she just seems so... hateful in Reach.

I love this thread by the way, and have already saved it... I know that Reach is Bungie's game and they can ignore the books if they like, but it just seems like Bungie went out of their ways to contradict the novels in every way possible.

  • 05.27.2011 3:23 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: HellKnight2153
It's a couple of very small details, but "Noble" Team was the error. The name itself, I mean. All spartan teams have been named after colors...


That only applies to the II's.

The III's had names after various things. "Alpha, Foxtrot, Katana, Saber, Team-Wolf-Pack."

  • 05.27.2011 3:48 AM PDT