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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: Spartan1065
I have played Halo Reach. I have read the novels. I think that it has broken several things about the already established canon. I spent a while looking through the thread, I have seen your so called good arguments and I do not really buy any of them.

OrderedComa
I remember a long time ago a month or two after Reach was released you made a thread to counter this one about how Reach didn't break canon. We had a debate for a few pages and I distinctly remember shooting down all of your excuses. Just sayin.


Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

  • 06.01.2011 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

Well theories don't have much to stand on at this point, especially since many of them require the rewriting or neglect of certain canonical elements.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

Well theories don't have much to stand on at this point, especially since many of them require the rewriting or neglect of certain canonical elements.


Exactly, that.

Rewriting the novels is especially bad idea because it would mess up entire halo universe. Frankly, it's better to call that Halo: Reach as not canon but merely alternate reality. Think it as parallel universe.

Or just a massive ONI propaganda to trick those UNSC citizens or other sinister purposes.

[Edited on 06.01.2011 4:13 PM PDT]

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

Well theories don't have much to stand on at this point, especially since many of them require the rewriting or neglect of certain canonical elements.

Or just ignoring everything by saying "we haven't seen the whole picture"

  • 06.01.2011 4:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Nameless Oracle

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

Well theories don't have much to stand on at this point, especially since many of them require the rewriting or neglect of certain canonical elements.

Or just ignoring everything by saying "we haven't seen the whole picture"


The theories I've noticed have not involved "Ignoring canon elements." or "rewriting book pieces." bar making things clearer/better explains.

Also, saying "We don't have the halo story bible, so we can't accurately talk about everything factually." is better then droning on and on "Halo Reach breaks canon! If you don't agree you are kissing ass!"

I'm happy we got them to finally stop stupidly going "Halo Reach breaks/conflicts with the halo story bible!"

  • 06.01.2011 4:41 PM PDT

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Have we've seen the whole picture?
Like it's been said Reach does "conflict" some parts of the book, but still this same book has had conflict with pretty much every book since. In fact (I think this was pointed out before) the books are often told from a limited third person view. Thus we never see the whole picture. This is why ppl defend Reach, not because their "herp derp Bungie fanboys" but because the ppl with the whole story said it fits perfectly. How? we don't know fully and thus we can make theories, but so far there are more points given that it fits then is conflicts... Idk if I've gotten of point but pretty much both sides of the coin don't have all of the answers but one side is backed up by the ppl in "power". It's one thing to dislike Reach because of the story or that it lacked whatever you wanted it to have, hell it's okay to think that Reach shouldn't be part of canon but no matter what at this point Reach is part of canon.

In short, we don't know everything, nobody truly does. All we have is what was given to us from a limited 3rd person point of view. This means that at the end of the day what Bungie said happened is what happened. It's been months and I don't think answers will come soon. In fact no matter what I feel that any answer that can be given will still be shot down. Nobody has converted the other and we keep running around in circles proving nothing... /rant there

The guy above has won my praise.

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  • 06.01.2011 4:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1065
I have played Halo Reach. I have read the novels. I think that it has broken several things about the already established canon. I spent a while looking through the thread, I have seen your so called good arguments and I do not really buy any of them.

OrderedComa
I remember a long time ago a month or two after Reach was released you made a thread to counter this one about how Reach didn't break canon. We had a debate for a few pages and I distinctly remember shooting down all of your excuses. Just sayin.


Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

Obviously you weren't part of our discussion so maybe you shouldn't comment about how I debated his points. He in fact agreed that my arguments made his invalid. Even though after agreeing with me he still said Reach fit canon... which doesn't make much sense. Anyway.

  • 06.01.2011 5:40 PM PDT

Oh I wasn't here until... page 60-70 I believe. So I'm not commenting you argued that way.

Others, however, have.

  • 06.01.2011 5:45 PM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh I wasn't here until... page 60-70 I believe. So I'm not commenting you argued that way.

Others, however, have.
Mmm it wasn't even in this thread. It was in a counter thread he made. But anyway.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Most of the "shooting down" of theories I've seen has been ignoring/not actually looking at them.

Just sayin.

Well theories don't have much to stand on at this point, especially since many of them require the rewriting or neglect of certain canonical elements.

Or just ignoring everything by saying "we haven't seen the whole picture"


The theories I've noticed have not involved "Ignoring canon elements." or "rewriting book pieces." bar making things clearer/better explains.

Also, saying "We don't have the halo story bible, so we can't accurately talk about everything factually." is better then droning on and on "Halo Reach breaks canon! If you don't agree you are kissing ass!"

I'm happy we got them to finally stop stupidly going "Halo Reach breaks/conflicts with the halo story bible!"

Just like they cared about the HSB here. Didn't you see that LE commentary where Marty asks whether or not the game fits with the books (Marty = smart), and Lehto and some other guys are all like "Yeah, yeah! Definitely!"

  • 06.01.2011 6:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh I wasn't here until... page 60-70 I believe. So I'm not commenting you argued that way.

Others, however, have.

wat

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-blam!- that "alternate reality" garbage. Halo Reach is square canon, and if it really bothers you that much, just rearrange a few dates in your mind and you're golden.

  • 06.01.2011 6:43 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh I wasn't here until... page 60-70 I believe. So I'm not commenting you argued that way.

Others, however, have.

wat


*Shrugs* I frankly don't remember. I certainly wasn't in this topic at the beginning.

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Posted by: MGTrey
-blam!- that "alternate reality" garbage. Halo Reach is square canon, and if it really bothers you that much, just rearrange a few dates in your mind and you're golden.

No. Sod off, you're not contributing. I hope you are aware that there are a few posters like you every few pages thinking they've got it all sorted out, whilst all they are doing is blindly following something which doesn't even support it's own foundation.

  • 06.01.2011 6:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Oh I wasn't here until... page 60-70 I believe. So I'm not commenting you argued that way.

Others, however, have.

wat


*Shrugs* I frankly don't remember. I certainly wasn't in this topic at the beginning.

Neither have I, but you've been debassionificating in this thread for months and months unless I'm mistaken.

[Edited on 06.01.2011 6:55 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2011 6:54 PM PDT

My issue with the whole orbital MAC's is this: how do you know they weren't on the other side of the planet?

  • 06.01.2011 6:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: CycloneMetal
My issue with the whole orbital MAC's is this: how do you know they weren't on the other side of the planet?

Skim through pages 89-91 in this thread.

  • 06.01.2011 7:01 PM PDT


Posted by: MGTrey
-blam!- that "alternate reality" garbage. Halo Reach is square canon, and if it really bothers you that much, just rearrange a few dates in your mind and you're golden.


This

edit: like this

1) Halo: Fall of Reach
Cortana in Halsey's office informs her of her choice of the ship "Pillar of Autumn" and the Spartan-II John-117

2) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Spartan-II's are fitted with Mark V armor and John-117 and Cortana are tested to see if the spartan's are ready.

3) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Cortana is split and Her primary AI form is sent to the Pillar of Autumn.

4) Halo: Reach
Noble Team is recalled to Reach after the death of Thom, They are sent to investigate reports of insurrectionist on Reach.

5) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Noble Team secures data from a scientific outpost and turns it over to Dr.Halsey. She begins to upload this data on the memory bank she kept from Cortana.

6) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn is released from refitting dry dock and picks up the Spartan-II's. The spartan's are tasked with taking one of the Prophets hostage in hopes to secure a truce with the Covenant.

7) Halo: Reach
Jorge then believing he will save Reach informs six he will need to fire the slip space drive manually. Noble Six falls back to Reach as the Covenant armada breaks through slips space.

8) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn receives the distress call to return to Reach. He then advises the Spartan-II's and they begin planning a counter attack.

9) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Dr.Halsey informs the Captain Keyes he will need to make a pick up on Reach and must dock the autumn. Cortana selects Noble Six as her carrier to get her to the Pillar of Autumn

10) Halo: Reach
Noble Six Regroups with the remaining members of Noble Team. They receive new orders to destroy Oni Sword Base. While attempting to Reach the extraction point Kat is killed by sniper fire.

11) Halo: Fall of Reach
John-117 splits the Spartan-II's in two groups. John, Linda, and James attempt to destroy NAV data on the UNSC Circumference. Fred and Kelly lead a ground ops to secure the Orbitel Defense Generators in hopes to buy Captain Keyes some time to Land on Reach.

12) Halo: Reach
Noble Team arrives at the lab of Cathrine Halsey and are tasked with delivering the remainder of Cortana to Captain Keyes aboard the Pillar of Autumn. Carter orders Jun to escort Cathrine Halsey to Castle Base.

13) Halo: Reach
Carter is injured while attempting to get Noble Six to the Pillar of Autumn via Pelican, He orders Emile to assist Noble Six and they jump from the Pelican. Carter then uses his Pelican to ensure Noble Six and Emile a chance to get to the Autumn by slamming it in to a Scarab destroying both vehicles and killing Carter.

14) Halo: Fall of Reach
Master Chief (John-117) saves several Marines, Avery Johnson, and Linda who is critically injured from the Reach Station Gamma and destroys the NAV Data. John, Linda, Johnson and several marines board the Pillar of Autumn and go to cryo sleep as the Pillar of Autumn enables the Cole Protocol and returns to Reach to pick up the package before it jumps to slip space.

15) Halo: Reach
Emile protects Captain Keyes via Mass Driver and Noble Six hands over Cortana. Emile is Killed by several elites and Noble Six uses the Mac Cannon to secure Keyes Escape. Keyes Pelican lands aboard the Pillar of Autumn in the hangar where one Cryo Tube is visable holding John-117 Masterchief. The Autumn then leaves Reach and jumps to Cortana's coordinates and arrives at Halo.


[Edited on 06.01.2011 8:09 PM PDT]

  • 06.01.2011 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: MGTrey
-blam!- that "alternate reality" garbage. Halo Reach is square canon, and if it really bothers you that much, just rearrange a few dates in your mind and you're golden.


This

edit: like this

1) Halo: Fall of Reach
Cortana in Halsey's office informs her of her choice of the ship "Pillar of Autumn" and the Spartan-II John-117

2) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Spartan-II's are fitted with Mark V armor and John-117 and Cortana are tested to see if the spartan's are ready.

3) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Cortana is split and Her primary AI form is sent to the Pillar of Autumn.

4) Halo: Reach
Noble Team is recalled to Reach after the death of Thom, They are sent to investigate reports of insurrectionist on Reach.

5) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Noble Team secures data from a scientific outpost and turns it over to Dr.Halsey. She begins to upload this data on the memory bank she kept from Cortana.

6) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn is released from refitting dry dock and picks up the Spartan-II's. The spartan's are tasked with taking one of the Prophets hostage in hopes to secure a truce with the Covenant.

7) Halo: Reach
Jorge then believing he will save Reach informs six he will need to fire the slip space drive manually. Noble Six falls back to Reach as the Covenant armada breaks through slips space.

8) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn receives the distress call to return to Reach. He then advises the Spartan-II's and they begin planning a counter attack.

9) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Dr.Halsey informs the Captain Keyes he will need to make a pick up on Reach and must dock the autumn. Cortana selects Noble Six as her carrier to get her to the Pillar of Autumn

10) Halo: Reach
Noble Six Regroups with the remaining members of Noble Team. They receive new orders to destroy Oni Sword Base. While attempting to Reach the extraction point Kat is killed by sniper fire.

11) Halo: Fall of Reach
John-117 splits the Spartan-II's in two groups. John, Linda, and James attempt to destroy NAV data on the UNSC Circumference. Fred and Kelly lead a ground ops to secure the Orbitel Defense Generators in hopes to buy Captain Keyes some time to Land on Reach.

12) Halo: Reach
Noble Team arrives at the lab of Cathrine Halsey and are tasked with delivering the remainder of Cortana to Captain Keyes aboard the Pillar of Autumn. Carter orders Jun to escort Cathrine Halsey to Castle Base.

13) Halo: Reach
Carter is injured while attempting to get Noble Six to the Pillar of Autumn via Pelican, He orders Emile to assist Noble Six and they jump from the Pelican. Carter then uses his Pelican to ensure Noble Six and Emile a chance to get to the Autumn by slamming it in to a Scarab destroying both vehicles and killing Carter.

14) Halo: Fall of Reach
Master Chief (John-117) saves several Marines, Avery Johnson, and Linda who is critically injured from the Reach Station Gamma and destroys the NAV Data. John, Linda, Johnson and several marines board the Pillar of Autumn and go to cryo sleep as the Pillar of Autumn enables the Cole Protocol and returns to Reach to pick up the package before it jumps to slip space.

15) Halo: Reach
Emile protects Captain Keyes via Mass Driver and Noble Six hands over Cortana. Emile is Killed by several elites and Noble Six uses the Mac Cannon to secure Keyes Escape. Keyes Pelican lands aboard the Pillar of Autumn in the hangar where one Cryo Tube is visable holding John-117 Masterchief. The Autumn then leaves Reach and jumps to Cortana's coordinates and arrives at Halo.

Why would the NAV data still be abord Gamma Station?

  • 06.02.2011 4:01 AM PDT


Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: GingerBenj
books suck, reading is lame.

games rock, games are...game?

bungie created halo and its story, eric nylund didnt.

id say about 60% of the reach gamers have heard of the books but not necessarily read them. ultimately they dont care.

99.9% of the xbox live community is unable to read because they are to young.

therefor bungie have the right to make a kick ass game that screws a few of the books ideas.

problem solved :)
My God what is happening to the Universe.


I'm going to assume by the lack of edit in the OP no one has come up with any more compelling reasons to believe that there are not glaring errors in Reach's canon since the last time I participated in the discussion in this thread. Reasons of course that weren't thought of and shot down within the first couple months of this debate starting.

Would I be correct in assuming that? I don't feel like flicking through 90+ pages of mostly the same incorrect arguments that say Reach did not break canon.


People have brought up many valid points against or explaining most if not all of Caboose's so called errors.

And Reach did not break canon, and you shouldn't claim it did because none of us has seen the complete picture (aka the Halo Story Bible). Other than what Bungie or 343i tells us about canon we know nothing of what is true or not, and Bungie has said that Reach and TFoR match, now 343i may change things, but I very highly doubt that is going to happen, so like it or not Reach is canon and does not break canon.


Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it did break the canon :) It conflicts the Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx.

As I have been reading arguments bought up by those few people like you have been defending Halo: Reach so fiercely, is basic same argument as before in early pages of this topic to now.

And, I understand that some valid points has been proved but it has little effect to none to the errors in the canon of Reach. I am sorry but there is many, probably majority of people at bungie.net seem to disagree with you and those guys. (general assumption)


A conflict does not equal a canon breach, it merely means we haven't seen the connection yet, or the older information has been retconned. Such an example of the latter would be the Elites, Brutes, and Hunters, TFoR and First Strike say they weren't encountered until 2552, yet that is not the case because the older information does not make sense and needed to be changed.

And actually no, Reach really only conflicts with TFoR, Halsey's Journal and the marketing materials released with Reach patch up the issues with First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx.

  • 06.02.2011 11:20 AM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: MGTrey
-blam!- that "alternate reality" garbage. Halo Reach is square canon, and if it really bothers you that much, just rearrange a few dates in your mind and you're golden.




edit: like this

1) Halo: Fall of Reach
Cortana in Halsey's office informs her of her choice of the ship "Pillar of Autumn" and the Spartan-II John-117

2) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Spartan-II's are fitted with Mark V armor and John-117 and Cortana are tested to see if the spartan's are ready.

3) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Cortana is split and Her primary AI form is sent to the Pillar of Autumn.

4) Halo: Reach
Noble Team is recalled to Reach after the death of Thom, They are sent to investigate reports of insurrectionist on Reach.

5) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Noble Team secures data from a scientific outpost and turns it over to Dr.Halsey. She begins to upload this data on the memory bank she kept from Cortana.

6) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn is released from refitting dry dock and picks up the Spartan-II's. The spartan's are tasked with taking one of the Prophets hostage in hopes to secure a truce with the Covenant.

7) Halo: Reach
Jorge then believing he will save Reach informs six he will need to fire the slip space drive manually. Noble Six falls back to Reach as the Covenant armada breaks through slips space.

8) Halo: Fall of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn receives the distress call to return to Reach. He then advises the Spartan-II's and they begin planning a counter attack.

9) Cathrine Halsey's Diary
Dr.Halsey informs the Captain Keyes he will need to make a pick up on Reach and must dock the autumn. Cortana selects Noble Six as her carrier to get her to the Pillar of Autumn

10) Halo: Reach
Noble Six Regroups with the remaining members of Noble Team. They receive new orders to destroy Oni Sword Base. While attempting to Reach the extraction point Kat is killed by sniper fire.

11) Halo: Fall of Reach
John-117 splits the Spartan-II's in two groups. John, Linda, and James attempt to destroy NAV data on the UNSC Circumference. Fred and Kelly
lead a ground ops to secure the Orbitel Defense Generators in hopes to buy Captain Keyes some time to Land on Reach.

12) Halo: Reach
Noble Team arrives at the lab of Cathrine Halsey and are tasked with delivering the remainder of Cortana to Captain Keyes aboard the Pillar of Autumn. Carter orders Jun to escort Cathrine Halsey to Castle Base.

13) Halo: Reach
Carter is injured while attempting to get Noble Six to the Pillar of Autumn via Pelican, He orders Emile to assist Noble Six and they jump from the Pelican. Carter then uses his Pelican to ensure Noble Six and Emile a chance to get to the Autumn by slamming it in to a Scarab destroying both vehicles and killing Carter.

14) Halo: Fall of Reach
Master Chief (John-117) saves several Marines, Avery Johnson, and Linda who is critically injured from the Reach Station Gamma and destroys the NAV Data. John, Linda, Johnson and several marines board the Pillar of Autumn and go to cryo sleep as the Pillar of Autumn enables the Cole Protocol and returns to Reach to pick up the package before it jumps to slip space.


15) Halo: Reach
Emile protects Captain Keyes via Mass Driver and Noble Six hands over Cortana. Emile is Killed by several elites and Noble Six uses the Mac Cannon to secure Keyes Escape. Keyes Pelican lands aboard the Pillar of Autumn in the hangar where one Cryo Tube is visable holding John-117 Masterchief. The Autumn then leaves Reach and jumps to Cortana's coordinates and arrives at Halo.

Why would the NAV data still be abord Gamma Station?


Isn't that in TFoR?

[Edited on 06.02.2011 11:56 AM PDT]

  • 06.02.2011 11:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: immadchill
14) Halo: Fall of Reach
Master Chief (John-117) saves several Marines, Avery Johnson, and Linda who is critically injured from the Reach Station Gamma and destroys the NAV Data. John, Linda, Johnson and several marines board the Pillar of Autumn and go to cryo sleep as the Pillar of Autumn enables the Cole Protocol and returns to Reach to pick up the package before it jumps to slip space.

15) Halo: Reach
Emile protects Captain Keyes via Mass Driver and Noble Six hands over Cortana. Emile is Killed by several elites and Noble Six uses the Mac Cannon to secure Keyes Escape. Keyes Pelican lands aboard the Pillar of Autumn in the hangar where one Cryo Tube is visable holding John-117 Masterchief. The Autumn then leaves Reach and jumps to Cortana's coordinates and arrives at Halo.


[Edited on 06.01.2011 8:09 PM PDT]

This whole thing just doesn't work because of these. The Fall of Reach very clearly states that there was only half an hour from Blue Team deplying to Gamma Station to Pillar of Autumn jumping into slipspace. There is no way Pillar of Autumn could drop Blue Team to Gamma Station, land on Reach, retrieve Cortanas fragment, take off from Reach and then travel to the edge of Epsilon Eridani just in thirty minutes.

Even if it was possible, we can see Pillar of Autumn at the very beginning of The Pillar of Autumn in Halo Reach. There are enemies and other things slowing down the progress of Six and Emile. It has to take at least thirty minutes from start of the mission to Pillar of Autumn to take off.

It also sounds illogical that the Spartans are uninformed about a Covenant invasion for over a month. And fifteen days even after Covenant attacking at full force. Halsey was basically sipping coffee inside Castle Base, totally uninformed while Reach is under full invasion.

  • 06.02.2011 12:00 PM PDT

I probably could've done better but, Bungie did spread out one day into a week so...

  • 06.02.2011 12:05 PM PDT

Although this sort of effects other things, the only really major change in TFOR is that the battle needs to last 2 weeks instead of 1 day. Noble team was busy fighting off the scouting party while the spartan-IIs were preparing to go on their war ending mission (perhaps operation red flag was conducted as a direct result of the covenant discovering reach). But just as the scout ship is destroyed by noble team, and just as the POA is preparing to go on its mission, the fleet of particular justice arrives to lay waste to the planet and recover the artifact that the scout team discovered.

On August 15th, Blue team conducts the mission aboard gamma station, while Red team heads down to reaches surface.

After completing the gamma station mission, blue team heads down to the planets surface to continue the fight. Having the battle spread out over 2 weeks means of course that we can't have all the spartan-IIs die at the same times they do in TFOR, but rather their deaths are more spread out over the 2 week period.

Dr Halsey and Cortana are intently researching the artifact that the covenant are looking for. Upon discovering what the artifact is, Halsey has Keyes land the POA to pick up the remaining spartans along with the package in order to go on a new mission.

Master chief is ultimately the only member of blue team to make it to the POA alive. Communication is completely cut and red team is believed to be completely wiped out.




In my own personal version master chief and linda would both be alive, defending the POAs dock, awaiting noble team and red team to rendezvous. They attempt to hold out in the hopes that red team will make it (again, communication is cut), but they are getting overwhelmed and a covenant cruiser is coming to destroy the ship. Linda gets "killed" here instead of aboard gamma station. They are forced to leave lest they get overwhelmed. Noble six decides that he will stay behind and take the gun, letting chief live to fight another day.

  • 06.02.2011 12:16 PM PDT

Posted by: tsassi2

It also sounds illogical that the Spartans are uninformed about a Covenant invasion for over a month. And fifteen days even after Covenant attacking at full force. Halsey was basically sipping coffee inside Castle Base, totally uninformed while Reach is under full invasion.


Yup, that is my biggest gripe about it. Apparently were supposed to belive that Halsey, the POA and all the spartan-IIs were completely unaware reach was being attack for over a month of time. Hell, even during tip of the spear we get a wide shot of the planet and it is extremely obvious the planet is on frikkin fire from orbit. Then on aug 14th, when dot says "60% of the UNSC fleet is en route to reach".

That seems to imply that probably the entirety of the UNSC knew reach was being attacked, but only 60% (which is still a massive amount...) could make it, or they were engaged elsewhere. And keep in mind that this was before the entire covenant fleet arrived. Yes, the UNSC sent 60% of their fleet in response to a single super-carrier attacking the planet, imagine what they're going to do when a 700 ship fleet appears. So are we supposed to believe that EVERYONE in the unsc but the POA and the spartan-IIs were aware reach was being attacked? That is just stupid. Regardless of what bungie says, it does NOT fit with TFOR.

[Edited on 06.02.2011 12:28 PM PDT]

  • 06.02.2011 12:22 PM PDT