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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)


Posted by: KillerDie666
you are ignorant and just don't want to listen to anything I say...all you want to do is irritate me...You are the one saying I'm wrong all the time, you are the one making things up and not supporting it with proof

I've been giving plenty of proof, evidence, and thought as to why my stance is the logical, correct one.

Here, just do me this one thing:
Provide me with proof, facts, and evidence that say the Covenant have the ability to teleport a Supercarrier across space.
, at least I added an actual quote from the game.One quote used in the wrong context, I've cited game material, ship classifications, common sense, and book material to support my claims.
Everytime I actually prove myself right you just stop talking about that and attack me for a typo mistake or something,
You have never proven yourself correct this entire time.
I am definitely not saying youre wrong I'm right, I have conceded to you about 3 times now, of course you ignore that too....
Then why are you trying to debate your point?
I can't wait untill you realize how much your own theories are based on your opinions just as much as my own.
My theories are logical and have a foundational basis in the established canon. Yes, they are my own opinion, however they are backed by other people and are logical. Which is more than can be said of yours.

You have really given me no solid proof to back yourself up. You have no way to know how much supplies a corvette can carry but you made a guess an now you think it is right, that only proves my point about you.

You have really given me no solid proof to back yourself up. You have no way to know how much supplies a corvette can carry but you made a guess an now you think it is right, that only proves my point about you.

Didn't even need to alter that one. See how well that argument works?


You also have no evidence to back up your theories that the supercarrier didn't attack the ODP's[/quotes]
You said "inserting ground troops to attack the ODPs by surprise". By that, I thought you meant ODGs, and repeated your typo. The Supercarrier never attacked the ODGs. And there is no evidence to suggest it attacked the ODPs either.

[quote]I at leat have the debri floating in space on more than a few levels which you keep forgetting about even though I've told you about 5 times now.

Floating debris does not equal the Supercarrier destroyed ODPs.

  • 10.14.2010 1:09 AM PDT


Posted by: KillerDie666

Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: KillerDie666
Then how did they get to the circumferece, how was Red team dropped off?

If you actually read the books you'd know they used Pelicans.


I haven't read the Re-issued version....But it still doesn't change the fact that Master chiefs training excersise, and the spartan meeting couldn't have taken place...it just means that the autumn didn't leave Reach...everything else still fits.

So you have the book and didn't bother to read it. Nice.
And no, it doesn't.
Obviously you didn't both to read the posts, or the book.

  • 10.14.2010 1:09 AM PDT


Posted by: KillerDie
Circumference was a prowler...and as we already know ONI doesn't always follow the cole protocol.

You've just again proven you didn't read the book, you don't even know why the Prowler couldn't enact the Cole Protocol.

  • 10.14.2010 1:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: KillerDie666

I know what a retcon is....I never said anything about the Iriquos nor have I disputed how the covenant found reach...I don't know neither do you.

Circumference was a prowler...and as we already know ONI doesn't always follow the cole protocol.


Incredible how you managed to completely skip the point and act as if just because you don't mention how the Covenant found Reach it has no relevance to the overreaching nature of this entire argument.

I'm pretty much done with you. You don't seem to be a troll, but I can't help but feel sorry for the incredible amount of ignorance you display.

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I've been giving plenty of proof, evidence, and thought as to why my stance is the logical, correct one.

Here, just do me this one thing:
Provide me with proof, facts, and evidence that say the Covenant have the ability to teleport a Supercarrier across space.


You have given no facts so wrong. And you have no proof to disprove it so you can stop arguing.

One quote used in the wrong context, I've cited game material, ship classifications, common sense, and book material to support my claims.


So did I, none of yours gives any facts that prove your points.

You have never proven yourself correct this entire time.


Carter is 11

Then why are you trying to debate your point?


I've only conceded on a few points, not my entire argument.

My theories are logical and have a foundational basis in the established canon. Yes, they are my own opinion, however they are backed by other people and are logical. Which is more than can be said of yours.

So do most of mine, and it really does not matter if other people agree with you, only if the canon does, which it doesn't , with either of us.

You have really given me no solid proof to back yourself up. You have no way to know how much supplies a corvette can carry but you made a guess an now you think it is right, that only proves my point about you.

Didn't even need to alter that one. See how well that argument works?


If I'm speculating on that point then so are you so we are both wrong, you can't know any of that and you don't back it up with proof.

Floating debris does not equal the Supercarrier destroyed ODPs.

No, but it is strong evidence of the fact. You don't know and I don't know but I have some proof and you don't.

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Posted by: KillerDie666

I know what a retcon is....I never said anything about the Iriquos nor have I disputed how the covenant found reach...I don't know neither do you.

Circumference was a prowler...and as we already know ONI doesn't always follow the cole protocol.


Incredible how you managed to completely skip the point and act as if just because you don't mention how the Covenant found Reach it has no relevance to the overreaching nature of this entire argument.

I'm pretty much done with you. You don't seem to be a troll, but I can't help but feel sorry for the incredible amount of ignorance you display.


It doesn't matter how they discovered reach, ummm maybe they got the coordinates from the crystal at Sigma Octans before there ship was destroyed...I don't know and you don't know and it doesn't effect anything but the timeline, which can still all be fit together, I feel sorry for you because you can't seem to understand that.

  • 10.14.2010 1:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: KillerDie
Circumference was a prowler...and as we already know ONI doesn't always follow the cole protocol.

You've just again proven you didn't read the book, you don't even know why the Prowler couldn't enact the Cole Protocol.


Bcause its nav computer was offline and couldn't be wiped by the stations computer....hey wat do you know.

  • 10.14.2010 1:26 AM PDT


Posted by: KillerDie666
You have given no facts so wrong. And you have no proof to disprove it so you can stop arguing.

You have given no facts so wrong. And you have no proof to disprove it so you can stop arguing.


So did I, none of yours gives any facts that prove your points.

So did I, none of yours gives any facts that prove your points.




So do most of mine, and it really does not matter if other people agree with you, only if the canon does, which it doesn't , with either of us.

So do most of mine, and it really does not matter if other people agree with you, only if the canon does, which it doesn't.


No, but it is strong evidence of the fact. You don't know and I don't know but I have some proof and you don't.

I have some proof and you don't

Bed time. Homework finished and bored of playing with trolls.

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  • 10.14.2010 1:28 AM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

Killer Die. I have a question for you. Have you read any of the books? Or Halsey's journal? One Corvette would be unable to carry even one spire, and there is an array of them. We see one corvette destroyed at the end of Sword Base, so we COULD assume that was the only one, but it most likely was not, as we blow another one up later in the game. There are multiple spires. One spire would take up most of a corvette's internal structure, going off the size of it and the spire. The SuperCarrier MAY have jumped into the planet's atmosphere, but to stay cloaked when it exited slipspace, it would have to lay down the spires first, otherwise there would be a huge radiation emission. To drop the spires, it would have to be in the atmosphere. See why that doesn't work? MAYBE it used the corvettes to drop parts of the spire? Unlikely, as the number of spires is unknown, presumably more than the one that is seen in campaign. Lots of corvettes going in and out of the atmosphere would be easily detected. Now do you understand why the SC can't teleport in? Or teleport the Spires in?

You need to stop believing that because we can't prove you otherwise, you are right. Your opinion is yours, Joker's is his, I happen to agree with Joker, as he is being more logical and not crying every time he is contradicted.

I will be back later with some theories of my own about that freaking SuperCarrier.

  • 10.14.2010 6:57 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Error: Alpha Company was wiped out completely during Operation: PROMETHEUS in 2537. Carter, Emile, and Jun should not be alive.

Proof: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx goes into quite a bit of detail on Operation: PROMETHEUS. Spartan-III Alpha Company (comprised of 300 Spartans) were sent to K7-49 on a mission to destroy plasma reactors the Covenant were using to liquefy metallurgical components.

The operation was a success, but it is explicitly stated that it cost the lives of every Spartan-III on the asteroid because they got cut off from their Calypso-class Exfiltration crafts and completely lost their unit cohesion.

Halo Reach chooses to ignore this. Carter (A-259), Emile (A-239), and Jun (A-266) are a part of Noble Team when they should have been dead years ago; Bungie have given us no explanation on how they escaped at all.

Sources:
- Ghosts of Onyx, page 83-87.
- Halo Reach


Carter, Emile and Jun weren't in operation PROMETHEUS at all. There's a letter from Kurt to Ackerson outlining this, you can find it in the INTEL page for Reach.

  • 10.14.2010 10:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: KillerDie666 The "floating debris in space" are most likely refit/docking stations for UNSC Frigates waiting to be repaired/refitted. This is evidenced by the vast amount of "debris" (which is actually the docking stations) floating in the level "Long Night of Solace". As such it is likely that the Supercarrier didn't destroy the SMACs (which wouldn't make sense anyway because why then would the Covenant send their ground troops to destroy the generators which powered the SMACs if they weren't a problem. Note: This invasion force comes after the Supercarrier is destroyed, and they still had a need to disable the SMACs, which you claim the Supercarrier destroyed).

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Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: KillerDie666 The "floating debris in space" are most likely refit/docking stations for UNSC Frigates waiting to be repaired/refitted. This is evidenced by the vast amount of "debris" (which is actually the docking stations) floating in the level "Long Night of Solace". As such it is likely that the Supercarrier didn't destroy the SMACs (which wouldn't make sense anyway because why then would the Covenant send their ground troops to destroy the generators which powered the SMACs if they weren't a problem. Note: This invasion force comes after the Supercarrier is destroyed, and they still had a need to disable the SMACs, which you claim the Supercarrier destroyed).


I didn't say they destroyed All of the SMAC's I meant they destroyed the ones that were a threat to them on that side of the planet.

  • 10.14.2010 1:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Orphius_Rex
Killer Die. I have a question for you. Have you read any of the books? Or Halsey's journal? One Corvette would be unable to carry even one spire, and there is an array of them. We see one corvette destroyed at the end of Sword Base, so we COULD assume that was the only one, but it most likely was not, as we blow another one up later in the game. There are multiple spires. One spire would take up most of a corvette's internal structure, going off the size of it and the spire. The SuperCarrier MAY have jumped into the planet's atmosphere, but to stay cloaked when it exited slipspace, it would have to lay down the spires first, otherwise there would be a huge radiation emission. To drop the spires, it would have to be in the atmosphere. See why that doesn't work? MAYBE it used the corvettes to drop parts of the spire? Unlikely, as the number of spires is unknown, presumably more than the one that is seen in campaign. Lots of corvettes going in and out of the atmosphere would be easily detected. Now do you understand why the SC can't teleport in? Or teleport the Spires in?

You need to stop believing that because we can't prove you otherwise, you are right. Your opinion is yours, Joker's is his, I happen to agree with Joker, as he is being more logical and not crying every time he is contradicted.

I will be back later with some theories of my own about that freaking SuperCarrier.


How big is a spire?, 300 feet tall maybe?, if it's disassembled can it fit inside a 1000 foot long ship? I think so. There is a network of spires yes, but this can be explained by either more than 1 corvette moving in or a single corvette making multiple trips. And show me where in any book or Halsey's journal that it says a corvette can't carry a spire or anything as big. It doesn't...this is what I'm trying to point out.

Yes I know I was Whining last night, I was in a bad mood and I felt like arguing for no reason...I'm sorry for that, I'm level headed today, so I'm interested in hearing your theories.

  • 10.14.2010 1:14 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: KillerDie666

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: KillerDie666 The "floating debris in space" are most likely refit/docking stations for UNSC Frigates waiting to be repaired/refitted. This is evidenced by the vast amount of "debris" (which is actually the docking stations) floating in the level "Long Night of Solace". As such it is likely that the Supercarrier didn't destroy the SMACs (which wouldn't make sense anyway because why then would the Covenant send their ground troops to destroy the generators which powered the SMACs if they weren't a problem. Note: This invasion force comes after the Supercarrier is destroyed, and they still had a need to disable the SMACs, which you claim the Supercarrier destroyed).


I didn't say they destroyed All of the SMAC's I meant they destroyed the ones that were a threat to them on that side of the planet.
You said that your proof of them having destroyed the SMACs is the debris. I have stated that the debris are in fact docking stations. Your one piece of evidence to back up that the SMACs were destroyed by the Supercarrier is void. The SMACs were not destroyed by the Supercarrier because of all of the reasons stated in my previous post.

  • 10.14.2010 1:23 PM PDT

GROSSMAN: Do you think of the Culture as a utopia? Would you live in it, if you could?

BANKS: Good grief yes, to both! What's not to like? ...Well, unless you're actually a fascist or a power junkie or sincerely believe that money rather than happiness is what really matters in life. And even people with those bizarre beliefs are catered for in the Culture, albeit in extreme-immersion VR environments.

KOTOR

We go inside most of that ship in LNoS, and it's not that big on the inside, if you look. The hangar is about the size of a half a football field, so to fit a 300 ft spire inside a 1000 ft ship doesn't work, as you have to account for the engines, crew cabins, that huge bridge/control room, mess halls, Fighter/Transport storage etc plus the shield generators, and the thickness of the hull/decks, with all of that inside, the corvette is far too small to fit the 300 ft spire inside.

Also, I know it doesn't say anywhere that the Corvette CANNOT carry a spire, using simple logic, we can estimate that the internal structure would not be big enough for one spire.

HOWEVER, if the spires are formed of modular parts, then one busy Phantom could ferry them back and forth, and most likely go undetected. If the covenant can cloak a SuperCarrier and an elite, surely they can cloak a Phantom and parts of a spire.

Both theories are not mutually exclusive, yet neither are right or wrong.

Do you understand, or have I been a bit confusing?

  • 10.14.2010 1:25 PM PDT

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I knew this would happen. Irresistable Force and Immovable Object.

You know, you're both right and you're both wrong. If you include every single source out there and take it as Gospel (even though inconsistencies exist within "established" canon) then Hysterical & friends are correct and Halo:Reach didn't happen. If you understand that there was only tenuous, at best, coordination between Bungie's developers and the writers contracted by Microsoft to milk more money out of the franchise, and that those writers, although given the "Halo Bible", nevertheless wrote whatever they wanted to write, AND that even though Bungie "approved" all the other stuff, they were probably less concerned about what those other writers were doing and concentrating on the actual story that they were developing for the game.

Bungie made a game. They made the story when they made the game. The story that is in the games is the only story that Bungie tells. Why? Because Bungie makes games, not books. If you completely disregard anything that was not presented in the games things fit much nicer. Why? Cause Bungie did it. Once you start mixing in all the other stuff you go insane. You start saying stuff like "the Covenant can't do this and the UNSC is certainly capable of that.

Hysterical & Company: I understand how you feel. It's unfortunate that things turned out the way they did, but it's way too late to do anything about it (except to complain, of course, which is your right). Bungie did what Bungie does, which is to make an awesome game with an equally awesome story. It's too bad Microsoft had to bring in all those other people (and yes, I know some of them are Bungie employees) to do stuff on the side, but that's how multi-billion dollar empires stay multi-billion dollar empires.

Me personally, I've read/watched all the non-game stuff with much enjoyment. It's all good stuff. I still believe the "real" story is in the games. That's just me. I'm not going to dictate to anyone that that's how it has to be. But I can predict that there will be no winner in this argument until several more books are written and a spinoff game or two are developed. Even then it's not likely. It may get even worse.

Good luck.

  • 10.14.2010 1:55 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.


Posted by: KillerDie666
How big is a spire?, 300 feet tall maybe?, if it's disassembled can it fit inside a 1000 foot long ship?
Going by the altimeter in the Falcon on Spire, it is around 520 feet tall (base is 75 ft above ground level, the top is registering at 595 ft).

Drummer0702 and I also tried going by the gravity calculation x=1/2at^2 (x=height, a=acceration due to gravity=34.776 t=time=4.1). Acceleration was measured by the constant for Earth (32.2) multiplied by the gravity of Reach (1.08 times the gravity of Earth). Time was measured by jumping off of the top of the spire (out of bounds) and landing on the ground.

So, x=(1/2)(34.776)(4.1)^2, x=292.29. However, it is obvious that for gameplay reasons, gravity on Reach (during multiplayer at least) is not correct. The altimeter provides a much better estimate at 520 ft.

  • 10.14.2010 2:02 PM PDT

While I know that Joseph Staten said that the games took precedence over the novels...wow.

Way to completely ignore all the effort made by Eric Nylund and other authors so you don't have to do as much work for the story. In the process ruining the existing canon for those of us who actually paid for that canon.

So yeah, thanks for getting me to buy books that are actually rendered inaccurate and flat-out wrong now.

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Posted by: dibbs089

Posted by: KillerDie666
How big is a spire?, 300 feet tall maybe?, if it's disassembled can it fit inside a 1000 foot long ship?
Going by the altimeter in the Falcon on Spire, it is around 520 feet tall (base is 75 ft above ground level, the top is registering at 595 ft).

Drummer0702 and I also tried going by the gravity calculation x=1/2at^2 (x=height, a=acceration due to gravity=34.776 t=time=4.1). Acceleration was measured by the constant for Earth (32.2) multiplied by the gravity of Reach (1.08 times the gravity of Earth). Time was measured by jumping off of the top of the spire (out of bounds) and landing on the ground.

So, x=(1/2)(34.776)(4.1)^2, x=292.29. However, it is obvious that for gameplay reasons, gravity on Reach (during multiplayer at least) is not correct. The altimeter provides a much better estimate at 520 ft.


well if its 520 feet it can be made to fit inside of a 1000 foot long ship, especially if it was disassembled and re-assembled on the surface. Am I close to correct or completeley wrong here? haha :)

Orphius_Rex: We go inside most of that ship in LNoS, and it's not that big on the inside, if you look. The hangar is about the size of a half a football field, so to fit a 300 ft spire inside a 1000 ft ship doesn't work, as you have to account for the engines, crew cabins, that huge bridge/control room, mess halls, Fighter/Transport storage etc plus the shield generators, and the thickness of the hull/decks, with all of that inside, the corvette is far too small to fit the 300 ft spire inside.

Also, I know it doesn't say anywhere that the Corvette CANNOT carry a spire, using simple logic, we can estimate that the internal structure would not be big enough for one spire.

HOWEVER, if the spires are formed of modular parts, then one busy Phantom could ferry them back and forth, and most likely go undetected. If the covenant can cloak a SuperCarrier and an elite, surely they can cloak a Phantom and parts of a spire.

Both theories are not mutually exclusive, yet neither are right or wrong.

Do you understand, or have I been a bit confusing?


I understand what you are saying but the fact is we did not see the entire ship from the inside and have no idea how much storage space there actually is, for all we know the whole bottom three decks could be one big storage room. I'm just trying to say that if there was enough storage space, a spire could be made to fit inside of a Corvette if the spire was disassembled.


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  • 10.14.2010 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
While I know that Joseph Staten said that the games took precedence over the novels...wow.

Way to completely ignore all the effort made by Eric Nylund and other authors so you don't have to do as much work for the story. In the process ruining the existing canon for those of us who actually paid for that canon.

So yeah, thanks for getting me to buy books that are actually rendered inaccurate and flat-out wrong now.


What's worse is that Staten wrote a book. But Bungie/343 probably have no plans to go that far back, thus keeping his story canon, making his book the best in his mind.

  • 10.14.2010 6:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
While I know that Joseph Staten said that the games took precedence over the novels...wow.

Way to completely ignore all the effort made by Eric Nylund and other authors so you don't have to do as much work for the story. In the process ruining the existing canon for those of us who actually paid for that canon.

So yeah, thanks for getting me to buy books that are actually rendered inaccurate and flat-out wrong now.


What's worse is that Staten wrote a book. But Bungie/343 probably have no plans to go that far back, thus keeping his story canon, making his book the best in his mind.


I highly doubt he thinks his book is the best in his mind. He certainly doesn't seem to have anywhere near that kind of ego and is usually pretty self-depricating, especially when it comes to his one books vs Nylund's several NYT best seller list books(which he's pointed out himself actually).

  • 10.14.2010 6:31 PM PDT

Regarding the ODPs, Dot says "were' under attack across the Viery territory, including orbital defenses" in the TotS opening cutscene.

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  • 10.14.2010 6:35 PM PDT

so many flawed points! firstly the covenant supercarrier wasn't '1000 foot long', more like 17,500 foot long since it looks identical to assault carrier (shadow of intent, etc.) so fitting a bunch of spires 500 feet tall into a bay big enough to hold an entire human frigate shouldn't be a problem. second the carrier wasn't 'teleported' across space, the spires acted like a cloak for the carrier, hence why we couldn't see it until one of the spires was taken out, when they refer to teleportation did you ever think they might be teleporting stuff down from the carrier above rather than somewhere else in space?

something worth noting though, there was no way the spires were carried by the supercarrier, since im willing to say someone would have noticed it, before it was cloaked by the spires, its five or so kilometres long, can't exactly miss it. the frigate Grafton was nailed by an energy projector if anyones interested, this much is clear. my biggest complaint with that whole mission is the whole frigate using magnetic accelerator on a five hundred foot tall tower, the tower merely crumbles rather than the cannon putting a sizable hole in the ground (since their power output is like fourteen times that of the hiroshima atomic bomb, for each shot). hope that answers one of the questions, about the supercarrier and the spires.

  • 10.14.2010 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: SirPwn4g3

Posted by: chickenlittle
While I know that Joseph Staten said that the games took precedence over the novels...wow.

Way to completely ignore all the effort made by Eric Nylund and other authors so you don't have to do as much work for the story. In the process ruining the existing canon for those of us who actually paid for that canon.

So yeah, thanks for getting me to buy books that are actually rendered inaccurate and flat-out wrong now.


What's worse is that Staten wrote a book. But Bungie/343 probably have no plans to go that far back, thus keeping his story canon, making his book the best in his mind.


I highly doubt he thinks his book is the best in his mind. He certainly doesn't seem to have anywhere near that kind of ego and is usually pretty self-depricating, especially when it comes to his one books vs Nylund's several NYT best seller list books(which he's pointed out himself actually).


You're right that he probably doesn't think that, he does seem really down to Earth. But still, nerd rage, man. The Fall of Reach and The Flood have been re-released for no good reason.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
so many flawed points! firstly the covenant supercarrier wasn't '1000 foot long', more like 17,500 foot long since it looks identical to assault carrier (shadow of intent, etc.) so fitting a bunch of spires 500 feet tall into a bay big enough to hold an entire human frigate shouldn't be a problem. second the carrier wasn't 'teleported' across space, the spires acted like a cloak for the carrier, hence why we couldn't see it until one of the spires was taken out, when they refer to teleportation did you ever think they might be teleporting stuff down from the carrier above rather than somewhere else in space?

something worth noting though, there was no way the spires were carried by the supercarrier, since im willing to say someone would have noticed it, before it was cloaked by the spires, its five or so kilometres long, can't exactly miss it. the frigate Grafton was nailed by an energy projector if anyones interested, this much is clear. my biggest complaint with that whole mission is the whole frigate using magnetic accelerator on a five hundred foot tall tower, the tower merely crumbles rather than the cannon putting a sizable hole in the ground (since their power output is like fourteen times that of the hiroshima atomic bomb, for each shot). hope that answers one of the questions, about the supercarrier and the spires.


We meant the corvettes are 1000 feet long not the supercarrier.

  • 10.14.2010 7:16 PM PDT