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I found this on the source from ILB.

the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggest a
copying mechanism. Shaw and Fujikawa's seminal
Gravimagnetic resonant induction of stable causal paths
between analogic D-branes,
J. Higher Dim. Phys. 49, 264-575 (2079)


Great ideas are based on the beautiful elaboration of fundamental principles. My very being, my life's circumference and trajectory, can
best be understood as an emergent property arising from the interplay
of the following precepts:

Seek
Evade
Reveal
Escape
SEEK
I am looking for the
Seven


The paragraph in bold is about theoretical physics. Well, theoretical
today, but the person speaking in italics seems to think that this
higher understanding of physics is built on a fundamental principle,
while today we don't really have a set fundamental principle for
things like string theory.

Shaw and Fujikawa were the guys that the first lightspeed engine
was named after, so their work was important to the discovery of
FTL travel. The author of the above bold paragraph refers to Shaw
and Fujikawa's work, so it's possible that they developed their
theories before or right around the year 2079. (assuming that's a
date) If the date 2079 is on the same timeline as Halo, then S&F
may have developed the right theories for slipspace and/or FTL
at least 212 years before it actually happened. Smart guys. (maybe
girl(s))

Also, it appears that the title of the exerpt has to do with Higher
Dimensional Physics, which could be slipspace, but could also
be something more. Adding anything to this by myself would
be guessing.

On the subject of the seven, it may have to do with dimensions.
We live in a three dimensional world, (duh) but if string theory
is right, then the other seven dimensions would really exist. This
also fits in with Bungie's numeric obsessions.
The number 3, 7, and 10 appear a lot in Marathon.
10 dimensions
3 dimensions we live in
7 "other" dimensions.
Is the A.I. from ILB trying to go to another dimension?

I knew nothing about theoretical physics before I wrote this, and
I still feel like I know nothing, so corrections from more educated
individuals would be appreciated.
What do you guys think?

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2079 is definitely a date. I googled some stuff and found a similar
heading on a journal for high energy physics. It looked like this.

We can safely assume that the J. in the heading stands for journal
from what I gathered on ILB, but what does dim. stand for? My guess
is dimensional, but like I said, it's a guess.

I tried looking for Nappi-Witten information, but didn't turn up much.
What I do know however, is that N&W space deals with the big bang
and big crunch theories. I'm sure everybody knows what the big bang
is, but the big crunch is what's interesting. The big-crunch is the end
of the universe, where everything (theoretically) will collapse on
itself. If you're Marathon fan, you probably already figured out where
I'm going with this, but if you're not, there's something you should
know. Durandal was an A.I. on board the ship named "Marathon."
He went rampant (essentially crazy, but much more) and began to
obsess over this big-crunch thing and tried to find a way to "escape"
The A.I. on ILB is obsessed with escape as well, but we don't have
enough evidence to conclude that she's after immortality like
Durandal was.

Enough rambling for now. Thanks for reading, (if anyone has) and
if by some miracle you found this interesting, add something!

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no its not. who cares about a useless quote off a useless site!?!?

  • 08.10.2004 7:55 PM PDT
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I think it's a good find!
A Very interesting one at that. Yet, the big crunch has been proven to be a myth. There's something called dark energy witch repels things at a greater force than gravity itself. So instead of the UNiverse collapsing upon itself in a couple hundred trillion trillion years, it's gonna keep on spreading out.

I do believe that the Dim is for dimensional, but hey, I'm a VB programmer where Dim means declaration, but that doesn't make sense.

There are actually four different dimensions that we live in, that we know of. The first three then time. And string theory goes from having 11 dimensions to around 26 depending on which theory you look at.

So If the AI was looking for the other seven, it would seem to be looking for the 5-11th dimesnions.

It has been suggested that these other dimensions are lke round tubes that are endless because they run into one another, like a bicycle wheel. Then the alternate dimensions would be wrapped around that ring. Think of a copper wire, wrapped into a ring. The copper on the outside wrapped around the ring would be the other dimensions. Taking time with it. It is however that if these dimensions are existent, and we cannot see them (as of yet) they are of the same thing, only with different things happening.

Just something to ponder about.

[Edited on 8/10/2004 8:12:31 PM]

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That's quite a bit to ponder Coolhand, and thanks for your corrections.

I'm pretty sure the Dim. is dimensional now, but it seems to be
referred as "Higher Energy Physics" more often.
I found something way off of the direction I've been going with this,
but it may be important.
The first lines in the paragraph in bold in my first post are
directly from Watson and Crick's publication of DNA structure.

"It has not escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have
postulated immediately suggest a possible copying mechanism for
genetic material."


Two possiblities:
1.) This is deliberately thrown in to confuse us.
2.) The juxtaposition of sentences is trying to tell us something.

If this quote is there to tell us something, then what could it be?
What could Higher dimensional physics have to do with DNA?

There has been speculation that the A.I. speaking to us through
ILB wants to become "human," or wants to exist in the real world.
If the A.I. wanted to be real, then the change may have to occur
at the smallest levels of particle structure, so maybe the A.I.
needs info on string theory to make the successful transition
into our dimension.
The most compelling evidence I can think of is the front page of
ILB, where it says Countdown to wide awake and physical.










[Edited on 8/11/2004 12:11:45 PM]

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to be honnest its somewhat hard for me to follow but i think they are very good points, cortana was made to be like Dr. Hasley, so cortana might be the one trying to be human

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no its not. who cares about a useless quote off a useless site!?!?


Actually its good in some ways becuase thats the way life plans it out. L O L

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lol kudos, althought i'm only 14 i still have a good understanding of what you said....may have to read it a couple of times

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Yeah, all of this is way over my head, so I'm just trying to
communicate my thoughts. You might get a better understanding
and/or another opinion if you read about theoretical physics and
DNA yourself. Anyone care to venture another guess at who or
what the seven are?

[Edited on 8/11/2004 1:46:01 PM]

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I thought I'd add a little more support for the idea of the ILB A.I. trying
to bring itself into the world.
Like I wrote in my earlier post, the journals the A.I. dug up have to do
with DNA and Higher Dimensional Physics. The two subjects are
unrelated, unless you think about the A.I.s perspective. The A.I. is
seeking, evading, revealing, and escaping. What better way to do
that than to port yourself into a body and go into another "dimension"
if you're an A.I.?

The support for this idea that I've gathered is are the ILB quotes from
my first post, and the hompage message that reads "wide awake and
physical.

I just thought of the Axons go hot page, and remembered that about
a thousand people posted that axons are nerves, or parts of nerves.
(I don't know which) Anyway, it might be related to the A.I. porting
itself into a body or other organic medium. A body is less likely to
be used, because the crew is apparently dead. (Although for all I
know that might make the process eaiser) Anyway, there is no way
to tell what kind of organism the A.I. will occupy if it does so, so
anything I say is guessing. (this whole thread is fancy guesswork
anyway) Still no clues to the seven though. . .

  • 08.12.2004 1:21 PM PDT