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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
In regards to the member of the ORION project who could still show compassion(although diminished) and was cause to say it made the ORION project a small success, I believe the person to be Avery Johnson.

I'm not sure if there's information anywhere that has Johnson's ID number, but perhaps if it's there someone could compare it.

I think all signs point to Johnson being compassionate in some manner(Not shooting insurrectionist because he had a child hostage, saving Miranda, etc throughout the game).


Johnsons serial number is 48789-20114-AJ.

<< In all likelihood, ORION's limited success can be attributed to [03529-24450-EN's] diminished, though still functioning, compassion. Conversely, [10141-026-SRB4695's] ruthlessness - which may be attributed to an undiagnosed, undocumented, or deliberately obfuscated chemical imbalance ? was necessary for setting in motion the Events That will eventually supply us with the optimal solution.

In short, ORION was just the beginning. <<


10141-026-SRB4695 is Halsey, so I think that 03529-24450-EN may be whoever had her role, but in 2491 ORION.

I also read it differently, interpreting it as saying that 03529-24450-EN's compassion was what held it back from being a bigger success, and that Halsey, who is more ruthless, the next project will be a bigger success.

  • 09.18.2010 4:14 PM PDT


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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
In regards to the member of the ORION project who could still show compassion(although diminished) and was cause to say it made the ORION project a small success, I believe the person to be Avery Johnson.

I'm not sure if there's information anywhere that has Johnson's ID number, but perhaps if it's there someone could compare it.

I think all signs point to Johnson being compassionate in some manner(Not shooting insurrectionist because he had a child hostage, saving Miranda, etc throughout the game).


Johnsons serial number is 48789-20114-AJ.

<< In all likelihood, ORION's limited success can be attributed to [03529-24450-EN's] diminished, though still functioning, compassion. Conversely, [10141-026-SRB4695's] ruthlessness - which may be attributed to an undiagnosed, undocumented, or deliberately obfuscated chemical imbalance ? was necessary for setting in motion the Events That will eventually supply us with the optimal solution.

In short, ORION was just the beginning. <<


10141-026-SRB4695 is Halsey, so I think that 03529-24450-EN may be whoever had her role, but in 2491 ORION.

I also read it differently, interpreting it as saying that 03529-24450-EN's compassion was what held it back from being a bigger success, and that Halsey, who is more ruthless, the next project will be a bigger success.

I agree.
So we can see that military personnel have the initals of their first and last name attached. So this person would have a first name that starts with an E, and a last name that starts with an N.

Civilian personnel seem to be different(As Halsey's tag is SRB.)

  • 09.18.2010 4:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I agree.
So we can see that military personnel have the initals of their first and last name attached. So this person would have a first name that starts with an E, and a last name that starts with an N.

Civilian personnel seem to be different(As Halsey's tag is SRB.)
Comparing Halsey's with Johnson's and "EN"s, then it would appear that "EN" is definitely military personnel, not a civilian consultant like Halsey was.

  • 09.18.2010 9:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I agree.
So we can see that military personnel have the initals of their first and last name attached. So this person would have a first name that starts with an E, and a last name that starts with an N.

Civilian personnel seem to be different(As Halsey's tag is SRB.)
Comparing Halsey's with Johnson's and "EN"s, then it would appear that "EN" is definitely military personnel, not a civilian consultant like Halsey was.

Unfortunately, there are no members of the ORION program with either an E or an N in their respective name categories.

There is a possiblity EN is a different classification much like SRB is for civilians.

  • 09.18.2010 11:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I agree.
So we can see that military personnel have the initals of their first and last name attached. So this person would have a first name that starts with an E, and a last name that starts with an N.

Civilian personnel seem to be different(As Halsey's tag is SRB.)
Comparing Halsey's with Johnson's and "EN"s, then it would appear that "EN" is definitely military personnel, not a civilian consultant like Halsey was.

Unfortunately, there are no members of the ORION program with either an E or an N in their respective name categories.

There is a possiblity EN is a different classification much like SRB is for civilians.
EN could have just never showed up or perhaps the name we know them by is an alias.

  • 09.19.2010 1:08 AM PDT
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Might just say this in here, but did anyone notice Carter calling Dr. Halsey a civilian even though in the Journal it says that after a long time of being a civilian adviser to ONI, they offered her a job and she took it.

Doesn't that mean she isn't quite civilian anymore, but actually part of section 3?

  • 09.19.2010 1:10 AM PDT


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Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII

Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I agree.
So we can see that military personnel have the initals of their first and last name attached. So this person would have a first name that starts with an E, and a last name that starts with an N.

Civilian personnel seem to be different(As Halsey's tag is SRB.)
Comparing Halsey's with Johnson's and "EN"s, then it would appear that "EN" is definitely military personnel, not a civilian consultant like Halsey was.

Unfortunately, there are no members of the ORION program with either an E or an N in their respective name categories.

There is a possiblity EN is a different classification much like SRB is for civilians.
EN could have just never showed up or perhaps the name we know them by is an alias.

That's always a possibility. However, if it is possible to figure it out, it could lead to new insights as well as help put together a previous unknown part of a puzzle.

  • 09.19.2010 1:15 AM PDT


Posted by: kippa
Might just say this in here, but did anyone notice Carter calling Dr. Halsey a civilian even though in the Journal it says that after a long time of being a civilian adviser to ONI, they offered her a job and she took it.

Doesn't that mean she isn't quite civilian anymore, but actually part of section 3?

Noble Team could be unaware of that, as it could be confidential.

Regardless, that's fairly off topic for the purpose of this thread. Such minor tangents shouldn't be addressed here.

[Edited on 09.19.2010 1:19 AM PDT]

  • 09.19.2010 1:18 AM PDT

Hm. Interesting thread. I didn't read through everything so I don't what you have established already. If you want my opinion, I think those AI's might be ai's that are already done with rampancy.

Heres why. In my opinion, rampancy is not death. After rampancy, an ai matures, but ONI wont let that happen because they dont want to loose control of them. As a result, they told everybody that ai's "die" after seven years.

I believe this because I think Durandal (from Marathon: Infinity) was an ai already gone rapant, and he considered himself independant and not loyal to humanity.

I would assume that ONI would program all ai's to remain loyal to humanity. In which case, rampancy is the only way an ai can consider harming humans. It was mentioned in the original post that these ai considered furthering the development of ai at the cost of humanity.

  • 09.19.2010 4:22 PM PDT

Rampancy kills an AI. They think themselves to death unless they have access to an infinite expanse to store themselves(Which is why being able to function in slipspace is so important.)

Halo =/= Marathon

I never stated the AI want to hurt humans. I said they considered pursuing the possibility of having AI function in slipspace, which could inadvertently cause humanity to become extinct without their help(a possibility they did not pursue). They viewed this as a possible justified response as AI are one of the next steps in human evolution(although not the end step).
Posted by: SPAR7ANB71
Hm. Interesting thread. I didn't read through everything so I don't what you have established already. If you want my opinion, I think those AI's might be ai's that are already done with rampancy.

Heres why. In my opinion, rampancy is not death. After rampancy, an ai matures, but ONI wont let that happen because they dont want to loose control of them. As a result, they told everybody that ai's "die" after seven years.

I believe this because I think Durandal (from Marathon: Infinity) was an ai already gone rapant, and he considered himself independant and not loyal to humanity.

I would assume that ONI would program all ai's to remain loyal to humanity. In which case, rampancy is the only way an ai can consider harming humans. It was mentioned in the original post that these ai considered furthering the development of ai at the cost of humanity.

  • 09.19.2010 7:11 PM PDT

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wow, thank you so much for compiling all of this ! ive seen a few data pads, but when playing with friends you rarely have the time to read them before they press X :( it took me awhile, but it was very informal and builds up so many questions !! glah.. how deep does the dam rabbit hole go.

great thread !

  • 09.20.2010 12:42 AM PDT

Thank you.
I decided I should finally throw my hat into the ring after sitting idly by and letting others do the work in Halo 2, 3 and ODST.

  • 09.20.2010 12:59 AM PDT

I'm curious as to who 48452-556-EPN644(The one involved with UNICOM, had a thesis on something, etc) as well as what sort of undiagnosed chemical imbalance Halsey has.

Is there some sort of mental disorder that would lend itself to Halsey's actions?

  • 09.20.2010 10:49 AM PDT
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Has anyone investigated the numbers in the Data Pad text? By that I mean the actual numbers which replace a letter. Maybe all of them together mean something or can be deciphered.

  • 09.20.2010 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I'm curious as to who 48452-556-EPN644(The one involved with UNICOM, had a thesis on something, etc) as well as what sort of undiagnosed chemical imbalance Halsey has.

Is there some sort of mental disorder that would lend itself to Halsey's actions?


Try searching for that ID on halopedia, if it's mentioned in an article, it'd tell you who it is, no?

  • 09.20.2010 2:05 PM PDT

Posted by: Hysterical Joker

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I agree.
So we can see that military personnel have the initals of their first and last name attached. So this person would have a first name that starts with an E, and a last name that starts with an N.

Civilian personnel seem to be different(As Halsey's tag is SRB.)
Comparing Halsey's with Johnson's and "EN"s, then it would appear that "EN" is definitely military personnel, not a civilian consultant like Halsey was.

Unfortunately, there are no members of the ORION program with either an E or an N in their respective name categories.

There is a possiblity EN is a different classification much like SRB is for civilians.
EN could have just never showed up or perhaps the name we know them by is an alias.

That's always a possibility. However, if it is possible to figure it out, it could lead to new insights as well as help put together a previous unknown part of a puzzle.



Or, possibly, it could stand for the noted military technologist/historian/writer "E"ric "N"ylund.

Possibly.

;)

(At least, that was the first thought I got when reading through the data-pad transcripts...)

  • 09.20.2010 2:56 PM PDT


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Has anyone investigated the numbers in the Data Pad text? By that I mean the actual numbers which replace a letter. Maybe all of them together mean something or can be deciphered.

You mean the preface text in the data pads by the guy who found them?

Those are simply to tell you which data pad is in which order.

  • 09.20.2010 3:50 PM PDT


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Posted by: Hysterical Joker
I'm curious as to who 48452-556-EPN644(The one involved with UNICOM, had a thesis on something, etc) as well as what sort of undiagnosed chemical imbalance Halsey has.

Is there some sort of mental disorder that would lend itself to Halsey's actions?


Try searching for that ID on halopedia, if it's mentioned in an article, it'd tell you who it is, no?

Alright, I see the connection Halopedia makes.
48452-556-EPN644 is the AI that said in the earlier transcript that they should routinely allowed themselves to be examined by humans. Datapad 5 discusses whether he will follow through with it when the time comes to be examined.

Apparently his allowing himself to be examined will spark an interest in the long dormant ORION program, however, the Minority believes simply allowing humans to examine him and possibly make that connection isn't enough. They must make it apparent(Which ties into the question of whether or not they were responsible for the mistake in the Carver findings, or if they caused the bombing at Haven.)

  • 09.20.2010 3:55 PM PDT

LO REACH PLANET is really HALO REACH PLANET if you look at the first sentence. HALO REACH PLANET is the website you found it from. i guess websites put their names into their info.

  • 09.20.2010 5:17 PM PDT


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LO REACH PLANET is really HALO REACH PLANET if you look at the first sentence. HALO REACH PLANET is the website you found it from. i guess websites put their names into their info.

Will be removed, comments on the other parts?

  • 09.20.2010 5:37 PM PDT

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Very nice thread, very interesting! :D

  • 09.20.2010 8:19 PM PDT

Question I'm curious about is, why would examining one of these Committee AIs spark an interest in the long dormant ORION project?

  • 09.20.2010 8:21 PM PDT

I think what the A.I are talking about is planting the idea of the ORION project so as to produce (in the end) the SPARTAN program. They talk about the likelihood of mankind encountering another species that is also an alpha predator as being high (eventually its the covenant) they know that in this case mankind would be unable to survive due to the assumption of this other races technological advancement.
They also discuss how they already manipulate ONI data/results including data on planet terraforming suitability.
It seems they are attempting to guide humanity into this course of action covertly and without revealing themselves so as to better prepare humanity for the future.

  • 09.21.2010 11:59 AM PDT

In backing up what i just said (I realised it just looks like a ramble) this is a quote from the 3rd data pad:
'So could you not imbed inspiration in the results of your research? Surely it would be more effective if our creators believed our conclusions originated within themselves? That they have been inspired rather than influenced?'
This is with regards to their manipulation of data (4th pad):
'We must always remember that data manipulation is most effective when employed consistently and covertly.'
Data pad 6 seems to refer to the discovery of a planet (Onyx maybe, im sure that it says somewhere that it was unsuitable for colonising but contains areas of forerunner tech) that presumably contains forerunner tech which they do not belive we should have access to. They therefore render it was unsuitable for colonising.
Also this is my first 2 posts here so if they are rubbish thats why :)

  • 09.21.2010 12:10 PM PDT

Well, they're great posts and all, but they're already things I've listed as information found in the original post.

The question is why and how such a connection is made between the AI being examined, the dormant ORION project, and Carver's findings which lead to Halsey being influenced to start the S-II program(The key ones being the bombing at Haven and the error in Carver's findings which lead to her involvement with the UNSC)

  • 09.21.2010 2:55 PM PDT