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Subject: Elites vs. Brutes
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Posted by: BIGGESTHALO2FAN
Brutes will win, they have almost the same armor as the hunters, they have the fuel rod gun, and the have this new gun called the brute mortar, yah elites get the swords but o wow they are easy to dodge, Brutes would win a war between Elites and brutes
Ahh,but the elites are faster,smarter and more cunning than the brutes!The brutes already trade in speed and smarts for strength.Besides,the plasma sword may be easy to dodge for The Chief,but for a brute,now that's another story.I say the brute would be dead before his gun fell 2 the ground!

[Edited on 8/11/2004 1:59:11 PM]

  • 08.11.2004 9:00 AM PDT
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Brutes don't have shields. A shot to the Brutes helmet will pop it off revealing his skull to the Elites plasma!

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Posted by: ggivnish
Brutes don't have shields. A shot to the Brutes helmet will pop it off revealing his skull to the Elites plasma!
I'm with ya my man!
*Then his head exploded*

  • 08.11.2004 9:10 AM PDT

I'm with Elites, Brutes remind me to much of Planet of the Apes...*Shivers from the thought*

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This is for all of you that agree that the Elites would win in a fight: In the book First Strike when the are on the "Uneven Elaphant" there are 4 SPARTANS...that's right 4!!! And they are walking through an arc-way...of course it's dark and John sees something on his radar. He doesn't know what it is but he says...and I'll quote: "whatever it was it moved fast...even faster than an Elite". So all of you damn people that keep saying that the Elites are faster STFU, the books even say the Brutes are faster. As far as the thoughts you morons are having about the Elites being stronger than the Brutes think again. In First Strike two or three Brutes almost killed the 4 SPARTANS that they were up against, they successfully killed Grace and injured 2 of the other 3, Not only that but a Brute got Master Cheif in his grasps and almost killed him with his bare F-ing hands!! The only reason that he survived if I can remember correctly is that a frag grenade thrown by another SPARTAN threw the Brute off of him. So if the grenade wasn't thrown the dear old MC wouldn't be around anymore. And the talk about the weapons that they use...it doesn't matter what the Brute uses, if an Elite tried to get close enough to use a plasma sword the Brute would show him what-for and tear him to pieces. Think of it this way: in order for the Elite to kill the Brute with the sword he has to get close enough to the Brute without the Brute getting his hands on him. And here's food for thought to those of you talking about the Brute being "dumb" and the Elite being able to outwit them: lets put a genious with an IQ near 200 in a battle against Tyson or Lewis and see if he can win in a no holds barred fight against them just because he's so much smarter.....

And in conclusion the Brute would win in any way that you look at it.

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Elites. They arew almost as strong as a Brute and twice as smart, plus they can order almost any caste around. And then there is the whole energy shield thing. There is a reason why they are the higher ups in the Covenant military.

[Edited on 8/11/2004 9:18:36 AM]

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Man,who cares how strong they are,I already said that even though the brutes are strong,they trade in speed for strength.So elites could dodge there lumbering(yet powerful)blows.I,mean no offence man,I like brutes too,I just like elites more.

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Posted by: RazorBlade164
Man,who cares how strong they are,I already said that even though the brutes are strong,they trade in speed for strength.So elites could dodge there lumbering(yet powerful)blows.I,mean no offence man,I like brutes too,I just like elites more.
The Elite could just ginsu the Brute with an energy sword.

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Posted by: CrimsonAngelus
This is for all of you that agree that the Elites would win in a fight: In the book First Strike when the are on the "Uneven Elaphant" there are 4 SPARTANS...that's right 4!!! And they are walking through an arc-way...of course it's dark and John sees something on his radar. He doesn't know what it is but he says...and I'll quote: "whatever it was it moved fast...even faster than an Elite". So all of you damn people that keep saying that the Elites are faster STFU, the books even say the Brutes are faster. As far as the thoughts you morons are having about the Elites being stronger than the Brutes think again. In First Strike two or three Brutes almost killed the 4 SPARTANS that they were up against, they successfully killed Grace and injured 2 of the other 3, Not only that but a Brute got Master Cheif in his grasps and almost killed him with his bare F-ing hands!! The only reason that he survived if I can remember correctly is that a frag grenade thrown by another SPARTAN threw the Brute off of him. So if the grenade wasn't thrown the dear old MC wouldn't be around anymore. And the talk about the weapons that they use...it doesn't matter what the Brute uses, if an Elite tried to get close enough to use a plasma sword the Brute would show him what-for and tear him to pieces. Think of it this way: in order for the Elite to kill the Brute with the sword he has to get close enough to the Brute without the Brute getting his hands on him. And here's food for thought to those of you talking about the Brute being "dumb" and the Elite being able to outwit them: lets put a genious with an IQ near 200 in a battle against Tyson or Lewis and see if he can win in a no holds barred fight against them just because he's so much smarter.....

And in conclusion the Brute would win in any way that you look at it.


Yeah, but it was also their first fight against a Brute. It was also an ambush. They were also surrounded by other Covenant troops. Do you remember in FoR the first time the MC fights an Elite? Almost dies. Do you remember in FS when he gets attacked by an Elite with a plasma sword, and the Elite sinks the sword partially through his armor? HUH? HUH?

Oh, and to that Tyson fight -blam!-. They have guns!

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Besides,haven't you read the other parts of the book?And not just First Strike,other books too.Like in "The Flood".It says in there:Prophet"Our elites are not only the best in command,they are superior to any of our other soilders"then Zamamee says"are you sure,sir?"Prophet"are you questioning my authority,Zamamee?I am quite sure.They outmatch my brutes in speed and almost match my hunters in strength."Zamamee"Understood sir"and yadda,yadda,yadda,bla,bla,it goes on.Anyway,my point is,the prophet clearly says,"elites are superior".So there!(and yes,the book is different than the game,that's why it mentions prophets and brutes)

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For the guy that said some crap about the Brutes being slow read my post the MC even said in the book that the Brutes were faster than the Elites!! Besides the Prophet also talked about how their brute strength could tear a Hunter apart. Try and tell me an Elite can fight and win against the Brutes when they're faster and MUCH stronger than the Elites are.

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Posted by: ggivnish
Posted by: CrimsonAngelus
This is for all of you that agree that the Elites would win in a fight: In the book First Strike when the are on the "Uneven Elaphant" there are 4 SPARTANS...that's right 4!!! And they are walking through an arc-way...of course it's dark and John sees something on his radar. He doesn't know what it is but he says...and I'll quote: "whatever it was it moved fast...even faster than an Elite". So all of you damn people that keep saying that the Elites are faster STFU, the books even say the Brutes are faster. As far as the thoughts you morons are having about the Elites being stronger than the Brutes think again. In First Strike two or three Brutes almost killed the 4 SPARTANS that they were up against, they successfully killed Grace and injured 2 of the other 3, Not only that but a Brute got Master Cheif in his grasps and almost killed him with his bare F-ing hands!! The only reason that he survived if I can remember correctly is that a frag grenade thrown by another SPARTAN threw the Brute off of him. So if the grenade wasn't thrown the dear old MC wouldn't be around anymore. And the talk about the weapons that they use...it doesn't matter what the Brute uses, if an Elite tried to get close enough to use a plasma sword the Brute would show him what-for and tear him to pieces. Think of it this way: in order for the Elite to kill the Brute with the sword he has to get close enough to the Brute without the Brute getting his hands on him. And here's food for thought to those of you talking about the Brute being "dumb" and the Elite being able to outwit them: lets put a genious with an IQ near 200 in a battle against Tyson or Lewis and see if he can win in a no holds barred fight against them just because he's so much smarter.....

And in conclusion the Brute would win in any way that you look at it.


Yeah, but it was also their first fight against a Brute. It was also an ambush. They were also surrounded by other Covenant troops. Do you remember in FoR the first time the MC fights an Elite? Almost dies. Do you remember in FS when he gets attacked by an Elite with a plasma sword, and the Elite sinks the sword partially through his armor? HUH? HUH?

Oh, and to that Tyson fight -blam!-. They have guns!
See!!!???At least somebody noticed the other pars in the book!!!Just like i said.

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Posted by: CrimsonAngelus
For the guy that said some crap about the Brutes being slow read my post the MC even said in the book that the Brutes were faster than the Elites!! Besides the Prophet also talked about how their brute strength could tear a Hunter apart. Try and tell me an Elite can fight and win against the Brutes when they're faster and MUCH stronger than the Elites are.
He just said the prophets said that the elites were faster and far better than the brutes.

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I think its all gonna come down to the guns, as we know right now elites have the better arsenol (plasmarifle, swords etc), we dont know how the brute's weapon works yet. In the games there are few melee combat attacks during a battle and I think the elites will be smart enough not to get close to a brute. So in the end its just a firefight.

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In the novel First Strike they said that the brutes could tear apart elites and brutes but if an elite had an energy sword it would be a different story but if an elite and the brute were both in hand to hand combat the elite would lose.

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I think you mean that the Prophet said the brute could tear apart a hunter.And that's much different cause MC could tear through a hunter.remember how the hunters in the books were kinda' light in the head.well there ya go.they cant protect themselves worth there life!

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Well, if you read carefully at the end of FS you find out that the Prophets have something up their sleeves that has to do with the Brutes. The Prophets never see the Brutes and yet the High Prophet of Truth sees Tartarus and allows him to kill those pilots that failed in combat defending the "Uneven Elaphant". So clearly there is something we don't know all about yet. That will have to wait for the game to come out before it's more fleshed out. And the Elites can't be all that smart when you really think about it. My best friends little brother is only 8 and he plays Halo on Legendary and can mop up the Elites with little problem. So we'll see who will be harder to beat in Halo 2, but I don't see why Bungie would create a new covenant race and not make them harder to beat in the game.

  • 08.11.2004 10:27 AM PDT
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the brute would definitely win, in the books it said tartarus, one of the brutes could tear a hunter apart with his bare hands, so i say brute

  • 08.11.2004 10:31 AM PDT

Elites are the ultimate, besides the MC

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Razor MC cant tear a hunter is !2! a brute can...we can kill them super quick yes because of there light armor but a brute can rip one in HALF 0_0 which is good enough for me to say elites are screwed...plus really I would think that the prophets would always hold elites in higher respects...its the elites planet-covie homeworld and no one elses...plus if the elites are soooo great why would a prophet use a brute as personal body guards?

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Posted by: pckl300
the brute would definitely win, in the books it said tartarus, one of the brutes could tear a hunter apart with his bare hands, so i say brute
So?1st of all,that's Tartarus,not all brutes.And 2nd of all elites rock.

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Listen the fact is that a brute would probably win...your free to still have an opinion that elites win...but it is an ignorant one when everything saying the brutes will win is right in front of you.

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ELITES.The bruet in the E3 demo suck MC killed at least 4 of them without trying.I'd like to see him do that against the elites.

  • 08.11.2004 10:43 AM PDT

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