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Subject: Activation of Halo. Is it really suicide?
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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Why not? 100,000 years is a lot longer than our own span of history - yet our species has over 40 deities that we worship. As a matter of fact - Christianity is only about 1700 years old and many people worship Jesus as Lord - even though he could have just been a random nice dude -- Not to turn it religious - but Theologically it's possible and actually quite probable. Remember Jesus only lived 2100 years ago but we worship him, and don't have that great of a record of him either, the Bible skips about 25 years of his life.

Those people would worship anything.

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Why not? 100,000 years is a lot longer than our own span of history - yet our species has over 40 deities that we worship. As a matter of fact - Christianity is only about 1700 years old and many people worship Jesus as Lord - even though he could have just been a random nice dude -- Not to turn it religious - but Theologically it's possible and actually quite probable. Remember Jesus only lived 2100 years ago but we worship him, and don't have that great of a record of him either, the Bible skips about 25 years of his life.


point taken.. but if jesus would have cleaned the galaxy of my race while holding me hostage on some ring world. I don't think i would worship him.

so why would the covenant worship the forerunners if what you say is true?

  • 08.12.2004 10:10 AM PDT

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Well Possibly -- remember the old adage -- History is written by those that WIN -- So the forerunner could have simply misled the Covenant or maybe it was something else entirely -- maybe the humans were responsible for the initial firing ....

  • 08.12.2004 10:13 AM PDT
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who knows... guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bungie throws at us. but it leaves the possiblity that forerunners could still exist on some remote installation somewhere.

[Edited on 8/12/2004 10:20:24 AM]

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Posted by: focused7
who knows... guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bungie throws at us.


Tru7h


But here are some related thoughts :

An Elaboration of ARK theory.

Well I want to look at it this way. If said Halo was fired how ever many years ago - then it stands to logic that the others fired too. Now we have the Prophets, the Brutes, Elites, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Engineers, and Humans. All in similar stages of progress, just built better for certain tasks. My thoughts are to the Halos housing all of them. The Halo that we already visited had an Earth Similar atmosphere and gravity.Now think about this - What are the odds of a "random" object having an Earth similar gravity? How about an Earth similar Atmoshpere? Well What are the odds of both happening? If it was intended to be like Earth - then the odds are pretty good. If it really is a random object, then nada - Wouldn't happen. So we can assume with relative certainty that the Halo was created to contain something that lived on the Earth. As blossoming sentient races- The Forerunner decided to study the humans , Prophets, etc... and created the Halos as a place of study and experiment -

Enter the Flood -- For whatever reason - the Flood threaten the sentient life on the galaxy. The Forerunner capture a few and quickly learn the basic nature of the Flood - They also realize how they work - and decide that they don't want a Prophet Flood combat form, and a brute would be frightening as well, So they put it with the least threatening race that still has the cognitive capability of supporting Flood - The Forerunner are scientists after all. So they were going to run experiments maybe. (I don't think the grunt has quite enough capability - at least I never saw a Grunt Combat Form.)

So human nature being as volitile as it is, we of course get pissed off. We revolt, and accidentally release the Flood (The first outbreak) The Forerunner put it down and as a punishment to us - makes our race the Reclaimers. Wearing combat suits, we have to make it through the Library as a test of our worth. If it wasn't a test - the Monitor would have simply teleported us to the index. This was a punishment as it would have forced the Humans to see the damage they did in releasing the flood. If they had the Forerunner issued class 12 armor - then it probably would have been no sweat. Well the other races put down the humans, and it builds over the 100,000 years until the Covenant find us. Anyway that's a tangent I just ran off on - and My theories suck so I'll catch you later -- Hurricane Charlie's coming for me...


This is from my thread - but it helps out Lysander's thread so I'll post it here as well.

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I don't know about the reasoning behind the earth atmosphere. The covenant (with the exception of the grunts) seem to tolerate at least the atmosphere. I don't believe it has been stated what kind of atmosphere the other covenant creatures come from. Maybe an "Earth" type of atmosphere just a more friendly host to life?

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Well carbon based life anyway - Maybe the grunts are silicon based -- It would explain why their blood is blue...

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it is all intriguing stuff. hopefully bungie reveals quite a bit in H2.

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one thing though. after the halo is activated and it destroys all life in the galaxy (with the exception of things on the ring). what happens to the people on the ring? they won't have to start all over they will already have the technology, moderate forces, and enough people to reproduce. your theory depends on ALL life being totally whipped out and starting from scratch.

[Edited on 8/12/2004 10:34:57 AM]

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Posted by: focused7
one thing though. after the halo is activated and it destroys all life in the galaxy (with the exception of things on the ring). what happens to the people on the ring? they won't have to start all over they will already have the technology, moderate forces, and enough people to reproduce. your theory depends on ALL life being totally whipped out and starting from scratch.
Who was this comment directed to? And by the way, check the link on page two to learn more about the Philidelphia Experiment, or Project Rainbow, whichever one you want to call it. Apparently, time travel was happening in the early 40's. With some 600 odd years to perfect that, I believe that there could be a time machine in the Halo Universe.

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i read a little bit passed the word time machine... you mentioned going back in time and placing the flood on the halo? dont you think a time machine would have a little more practical application? ya know, namely sending spartans, and maybe reinforcement back to reach to maybe win the battle at reach... not doing some expiraments with the flood?

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Posted by: Lysander
Posted by: focused7
one thing though. after the halo is activated and it destroys all life in the galaxy (with the exception of things on the ring). what happens to the people on the ring? they won't have to start all over they will already have the technology, moderate forces, and enough people to reproduce. your theory depends on ALL life being totally whipped out and starting from scratch.
Who was this comment directed to? And by the way, check the link on page two to learn more about the Philidelphia Experiment, or Project Rainbow, whichever one you want to call it. Apparently, time travel was happening in the early 40's. With some 600 odd years to perfect that, I believe that there could be a time machine in the Halo Universe.


my comment was directed to GameJunkieJim's theory a couple post above mine

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Posted by: MJOLNIRdragoon
i read a little bit passed the word time machine... you mentioned going back in time and placing the flood on the halo? dont you think a time machine would have a little more practical application? ya know, namely sending spartans, and maybe reinforcement back to reach to maybe win the battle at reach... not doing some expiraments with the flood?
How could they have won the Battle of Reach? The fleet was decimated at Reach. The "reinforcements" were destroyed by the Covenant. The only way that the humans could have won the battle would have been to destroy the Covenant warships. Keep in mind that, if the humans had "won" the Battle of Reach, the Covenant would have returned with more reinforcements. The humans could not have won, they could only delay the inevitable.

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Eagle, did you read up on the Philidelphia Experiment?

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Part two will be coming along shortly.

  • 08.12.2004 4:38 PM PDT
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Okay, I comment on the starting post. You say 'Halo will swat all life off the map'. According to this:
http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/pd.halodata.html
Halo will wipe out 25,000 lightyears of life. Now, according to the map, the Milky Way is 100,000 lightyears wide. It would take four Halos [but if they weren't equally apart, it wouldn't cover ALL over the Milky Way, if you want to be smart-alecky]. There may not be more than two for all we know.
Quote again:
"The Infection Forms rewrite a victim's cellular structure and convert him into a Combat Form, and then later a Carrier Form-an incubator for more Infection Forms."
This must lead to the point that if the Forerunners could build such a, planet-istic thing, they would probably smart enough to even create their own life-form. This theory of mine [I call the Eggplant Theory...hehehe] borders along the theory of anothers that somewhere an experiment went wrong. I guess I can somehow agree that my theory went wrong, and that the Forerunners left Halo. Infact I do believe that Halo WAS something close to a modern day military base. They might have even left it just TO study the Flood. Which brings me another theory, [which I call the Acorn theory...what?! If you are smart you shall understand my reasoning with these...things] that maybe the Flood inhabits OTHER planets and/or other Halo's (if there are any, except the rumored one in Halo 2), and that the Halo MC landed in was a test planet. I know it may not follow along the 'Fortress' theory, bu it may be a weapon just incase the Flood found transport to another planet, and they had fast enough transport to get out OR the would risk their own lives to ensure the safety of others.

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Apparently the Flood can hibernate and withstand a long period of time without food. If they didn't then they would die.

[Edited on 8/12/2004 6:13:06 PM]

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I may point out, that Eagle or whoever expressed the theory about Colonel Ackerson creating the Flood is very interesting....

However, the time machine idea would be somewhat unrealistic as the Time Crystal warps space when and, only when in Slipspace however, the crystals full potential was not described in the book as Locklear made a futile attempt to destroy it only to give it to the Covenant who were going to use it for precise Slipspace manuevering.

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The Flood might have been one of three things: 1) Was a creation, 2) Was a species (like humans) at one time, or 3) Was used on humans as a supersoldier project but went wrong [this goes along with Lysanders theory about Commander Ackerson creating it] .
My explanation of each choice:
1) The Forerunners [this is a ideal situation, don't be mad if you disagree] found an intriuging bacteria on one of their homeworlds (this goes along with the idea that they once had a colony-empire like Earth, [and it also goes along with my Acorn theory, but in another form, instead of a life-form, a bacteria form] so they took the bacteria and evolved it into a life-form. They studied the mutation of it underground. Somehow these new mutants found a way to take over life-forms, and they immediately locked down the study chambers. In some areas they had to use violence, and the mutants might have come in swarms. Hence the name, 'The Flood'.
2) They might have been a civilization like the present-day humans, but were exposed to a chemical that was poisonious to them, but somehow did not EFFECTIVELY kill them.
3) Colonel Ackerson wanted more effective, fighting supersoldiers. He fused modern-day chemicals together to form a liquid substance, able to be injected into a test subject. They possibly tested it on a soldier with a disease (such as HIV or Asthmas [however you spell it]) .

  • 08.12.2004 5:56 PM PDT

"activation of halo 2, is it suicide?" that should be your question. halo 2 meaning the game.

  • 08.12.2004 5:57 PM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

If the Flood pose such a problem, the why contain them, instead of destroying them. Cortana states in the Control Room that, "The only way to kill the Flood is to starve them to death." That, I believe, is not true.

In my opinion, you contain them for future study, or for leverage purposes (kind of like nukes!). I also don't think that the Flood starve off and die, since they survived for so long on installation 04, but they can sure as hell try and keep them from "spreading" throughout the galaxy/universe

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[Edited on 8/12/2004 6:04:57 PM]

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it could be possible that the Forerunners intended to use The Flood as a sort of military advantage, with the ability to 'Plant and Seize' a body, but the Flood turned against the Forerunners.

  • 08.12.2004 6:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lysander
I'm glad that someone else noticed the improbability of the Halos being built for the Flood. It just doesn't add up ;) .


Your theory really doesn't add up either. ; )*

Just think about the millions that have played the game, but haven't read the book. They would probably read your theory and say.. WTF!! And Halo 04 could of easily been built to contain and study the Flood.

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this is in reply to post number 1, i skipped page 2 so maybe somebody said this


activating halo is the only sure way to wipe out the flood, correct? it wipes out all of their food. now, what good would it be for halo to not wipe out itself (suicide)? considering that is most probably the where the main population of flood is, it wouldnt wipe out the flood on halo therefore, leaving a possibility for another flood outbreak if a human, covenent, or some one elses ship ever landed on halo, its possible a crewmember could become infected and then spread the flood that way. so the only sure way to wipe out the flood is by destroying halo itself. you get me?

in short version: you wouldnt be killing all of the flood much less all the floods food if you activating halo wasnt suicide, rendering it pointless

i hope im right but i might have overlooked somethin in ur original theory

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Posted by: Voltage280d
so the only sure way to wipe out the flood is by destroying halo itself.


right there i should have said:

so the only sure way to wipe out the flood is by destroying all life on halo itself along with the rest of the galaxy.

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