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Subject: Activation of Halo. Is it really suicide?
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Dont foreget that there is a galaxy very close to Halo. In the Halo Universe they have inter-galatic. Maybe the reason why there are no traces of the Forerunner in our galaxy is because the forerunner are in the next closest galaxy. Since they are not in ours they dont have to worry about blowing themselves up. Also in the Library 343 says the study of the flood depended on the very surrvival of their race. Maybe they were at war with the forerunner or their civilization was in a disaster era.

  • 08.12.2004 6:48 PM PDT
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space is really really far apart. galaxies arent very close at all. unless the forerunners were so advanced they could jump from one galaxy to the next with the crystals like the one found on reach, i doubt they would just go hide in another galaxy. in fact, another galaxy could have ANYTHING in it when you think about it. who knows? its a whole nother galaxy with billions and billions of solar systems etc.

  • 08.12.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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I don't know why I didn't post this before, but this goes to show that if you are on the Halo, then you are immune to the pulse. Once this installation is activated, it will either set off the other Halos when the pulse reaches them, or some mechanism in the sends a signal to all of the other Halos, and they all "detonate" simultaneously. This will wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life. But wait, the Flood are sentient as well. Why wouldn't the pulse affect them? Because they are on the Halo. Hope that makes sense.

  • 08.12.2004 9:36 PM PDT
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I hope that this clears some things up. Sentient life. What does sentient mean? Let's open up the Dictionary and find out. Sentient: Having the power of perception by the senses. Now, shall we look up perception. Perception: 1 The act or faculty of aprehending by means of the senses or of the mind; cognition; understanding. 2 Immediate or intuitive recognition, as of moral or aesthetic qualities. 3 The result or product of perceiving; percept. 4 A single unified awareness derived from sensory processes while a stimulus is present. I think that definition 4 goes well with the definition of sentient. So elimination of sentient life does not mean all life. Just those capable of "perception of the senses".

  • 08.12.2004 9:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Lysander
Sure. It kind of get weird, like telepathy, and I'm sure there's some Area 51 deal too, but for the most part, it is very interesting. Here's the link. I was wrong, it wasn't the Ellridge, it was the Eldrigde. There's a link at the bottom of the page that should give you more info. ;)


Thanks for the link, it was very helpful:)

I still have a few quams with the "making a time machine" issue, which I'll illustrate with this conversation between Dr. Halsey and Cortana:)

[color=white]“Plot the temporal irregularities (time log discrepancies) on a space-time surface. Then call up my file on the spatial distortion generated by the alien artifact (the artifact from Reach).On the displays appeared sets of nearly identical curved membranes that stretched about a central location and time: Reach and the recovery of the strange artifact. That thing not only bends space, Dr. Halsey whispered to herself, but bends time as well. That’s not possible, Cortana said. How could the artifact on Reach affect us on Halo - light years away? Don’t think of it as a physical distance, Dr. Halsey replied absentmindedly, staring at the monitors. You and John were on an event path intersecting the crystal. She moved the curves (on the monitors that deal with the alien artifact) over one another; the time and space surfaces were a perfect match. You had to be there at that place and time to recover us and remove the crystal - time and space warped to make that event occur. Cortana gave a derisive laugh. That’s circular logic, Doctor. It directly contravenes several well-established theories— And it fits the know data. Dr. Halsey shut the file down the files containing here analysis. I see now why the Covenant are so interested in this object. They mustn’t be allowed to get their hands on it. Not them, and certainly not Section Three, either.”(p.247-248)[/color]


In this conversation, we see that Dr. Halsey HAS to explain to Cortana that the artifact found on Reach does infact have time warping capabilities. Cortana, who is an AI modeled off Halsey's own mind, has trouble accepting this. Note that Cortana even brings up that there is data and theories that point to time traveling being impossible. Because of this, I'm left still left asking myself, how would Ackerson build a time machine without the artifact?

-Eagle 117
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Don't take my comments to be in the nature of "Your argument sucks". It actually comes from a completely seperate side of the argument spectrum. I enjoy discussing these types of issues:)

[Edited on 8/12/2004 10:39:25 PM]

  • 08.12.2004 10:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Posted by: Lysander
Sure. It kind of get weird, like telepathy, and I'm sure there's some Area 51 deal too, but for the most part, it is very interesting. Here's the link. I was wrong, it wasn't the Ellridge, it was the Eldrigde. There's a link at the bottom of the page that should give you more info. ;)


Thanks for the link, it was very helpful:)

I still have a few quams with the "making a time machine" issue, which I'll illustrate with this conversation between Dr. Halsey and Cortana:)

[color=white]“Plot the temporal irregularities (time log discrepancies) on a space-time surface. Then call up my file on the spatial distortion generated by the alien artifact (the artifact from Reach).On the displays appeared sets of nearly identical curved membranes that stretched about a central location and time: Reach and the recovery of the strange artifact. That thing not only bends space, Dr. Halsey whispered to herself, but bends time as well. That’s not possible, Cortana said. How could the artifact on Reach affect us on Halo - light years away? Don’t think of it as a physical distance, Dr. Halsey replied absentmindedly, staring at the monitors. You and John were on an event path intersecting the crystal. She moved the curves (on the monitors that deal with the alien artifact) over one another; the time and space surfaces were a perfect match. You had to be there at that place and time to recover us and remove the crystal - time and space warped to make that event occur. Cortana gave a derisive laugh. That’s circular logic, Doctor. It directly contravenes several well-established theories— And it fits the know data. Dr. Halsey shut the file down the files containing here analysis. I see now why the Covenant are so interested in this object. They mustn’t be allowed to get their hands on it. Not them, and certainly not Section Three, either.”(p.247-248)[/color]


In this conversation, we see that Dr. Halsey HAS to explain to Cortana that the artifact found on Reach does infact have time warping capabilities. Cortana, who is an AI modeled off Halsey's own mind, has trouble accepting this. Note that Cortana even brings up that there is data and theories that point to time traveling being impossible. Because of this, I'm left still left asking myself, how would Ackerson build a time machine without the artifact?

-Eagle 117
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Don't take my comments to be in the nature of "Your argument sucks". It actually comes from a completely seperate side of the argument spectrum. I enjoy discussing these types of issues:)
No offense taken. Actually, your questioning certain parts of my theory is helping me to reevaluate what I wrote. It's helping me to smooth some edges. ;)

  • 08.12.2004 10:45 PM PDT
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This is a modificationn of my theory.

As I read my theory, and think about what I wrote, it seems unlikely that Ackerson would have used a time machine. It is more likely that when he set out to Halo, the Forerunner happened to check on their facility at the same time. Ackerson, thinking that the Forerunner were a new species that had joined the Covenant, released them prematurely. They infected some of the Forerunner, and the rest of my theory continues as it is written.

  • 08.13.2004 6:24 PM PDT
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Sorry about posting three times in a row, I'm not bumping, but I think that I should bring this up. I'm going to be leaving for two weeks, and I hope that all of you would keep this thread alive. Mods, if you think this thread worthy, I ask you to make it a sticky. If not, then I respect your decision. "The Mods giveth, and the Mods taketh away."

  • 08.13.2004 9:14 PM PDT
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I think the forunners created the flood.To put it clearly,they already were expirementing on a new weopon to fight they're wars,they made the flood,and realized that they're new weapon was so leathal,they had to create the halos just in case it broke free.They moved they're studies to the halos just in case and studied and expiremented the flood in the library(s).So the flood did eventualy break out,so they fought them off until they couldn't anymore.They were forced to activate the halos.But before they could do anything,the food over ran them and they couldn't get the index to the core in time.So the flood remained traped there and simply went dormant.As for the monitor and the sentinals,the sentinals were probably made for containing the flood and only that.And the monitor was probably created after the flood outbreak,to help the forunners get the index to the core.But when they're efforts faild,he probably did all he could,keep it in the safest place and keep it from the flood.And the reason the monitor called MC "the reclaimer" was probably cause he resembled the forunner.And he needed a biological form to get the index.(remember,the monitor has no hands)

[Edited on 8/14/2004 9:53:19 AM]

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