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  • 09.22.2010 9:31 AM PDT
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Positive vibes.

First!

Oh, and I am reading the update now.

Cool beans.

[Edited on 09.22.2010 9:37 AM PDT]

  • 09.22.2010 9:36 AM PDT

I miss playing Halo with my friends.

Sweet, I had a lot of questions but not anymore!

  • 09.22.2010 9:43 AM PDT

Camp with the mauler

The real formula [rating = loss_penalty * (1000 + (2000/pi * atan( raw_rating * game_normalization ))) ] is beautiful :) who ever thought of using the atan function is a genius, and deserves a gold star.

  • 09.22.2010 9:58 AM PDT

humans are so concerned about where they've been, that they dont stop and think about where we're going

anyone rated as an onyx? i still have like 7 or 8 days left before i can be rated. im aiming for gold, but ill accept silver.

  • 09.22.2010 10:46 AM PDT

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm not a fan of arena or divisions or any of this- even though true skill has improved since H3. I know that H2 had problems but I think that the number system/rating system in H2 if improved would have been much better.

  • 09.22.2010 10:47 AM PDT

I don't really understand something... I got ranked a bronze & I know I been doing good because I usually came off on top of the team & usually picc up the win. For the most part my rank of the day would be an avg the high 1500s or 1600s & I'll try to limt myself a couple games in arena... Did I get a bronze because I didn't play as much games as other people? I don't get it....

  • 09.22.2010 11:03 AM PDT

i like me...


Posted by: II SiAo II
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm not a fan of arena or divisions or any of this- even though true skill has improved since H3. I know that H2 had problems but I think that the number system/rating system in H2 if improved would have been much better.


no

  • 09.22.2010 11:10 AM PDT

I haven't tried to get qualified, also whens the update?

  • 09.22.2010 11:20 AM PDT

1. Play three games each day to be rated.
2. Get rated on ten days in a Season and you will be placed in a Division amongst your peers.


As hard as this may be for you guys to understand, some people actually have lives. I'm not gonna play according to a schedule just to get fair matches.

In H3, I played ranked maybe once a week on Saturdays and it worked just fine. I was the rank I was supposed to be because the old system WORKED.

  • 09.22.2010 11:22 AM PDT

Play 10 days? That's 2/3rds of the season? Do you really have to play at least 30 games to be in a division? Five days was fine in the beta, and seven I can live with. But 10 days? What's the point if I'm only gonna have my rank for 5 days? What's the motivation to work for almost 2 weeks just to have a little emblem for 5 measly days?

  • 09.22.2010 11:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: EndGame747
1. Play three games each day to be rated.
2. Get rated on ten days in a Season and you will be placed in a Division amongst your peers.


As hard as this may be for you guys to understand, some people actually have lives. I'm not gonna play according to a schedule just to get fair matches.

In H3, I played ranked maybe once a week on Saturdays and it worked just fine. I was the rank I was supposed to be because the old system WORKED.


Your Arena Rating has nothing to do with getting fair matches (this information is in the article).

  • 09.22.2010 11:51 AM PDT

-Rising Above The Rest-

10 days? I thought for sure the pop-up in the game said 7 days.

  • 09.22.2010 11:53 AM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I would say I am one of the most successful trolls in Bungie.net history.

Arena is a joke, it's not for competitive players. It's for the players that could never reach level 50 in the Halo games. Why do you call it competitive when the competitive part of your community says it not? The only stat that matters in any TEAM sport is the win/loss. Stop trying to protect the egos of these children, let them learn how to take a loss.

  • 09.22.2010 11:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: VipERWarriOR
10 days? I thought for sure the pop-up in the game said 7 days.


The current season was shortened for launch. :)

  • 09.22.2010 12:10 PM PDT

Disappointed in the rating system. Seems to be taken from WoW first of all. Even then you actually had a reason to be rated highly so that you could buy things. I don't see the purpose here. Why play for a rating that's just going to be wiped clean in 15 days (taken from article)? And sometimes I'd go for a week or so not playing ranked in case I was perhaps having a bad week, but now you can't afford to do that if you want to place at the end of the season.

It just seems to me that people are being forced to play on more days than they would necessarily like to, and the visual reward is temporary. "Bragging rights" for me was having that max skill and playing carefully to keep it there (Halo 2).

Many don't agree with me I'm sure, but I just don't think this change is for the better. The motivation is gone.

  • 09.22.2010 12:15 PM PDT

So the fun fact quick math says the highest rating (assuming 50 kills or assists and no deaths) is 1844 and lowest (assuming 50 betrayals) is 150. Does that sound about right?

Damn I have to stop getting killed in games! ;p

  • 09.22.2010 12:21 PM PDT

I can't seem to make this math work for me.

Suppose a player finishes a 4v4 arena slayer game with 15 kills, 4 assists, 8 deaths, and 0 betrayals, and their team won. So:

Raw_Rating = 19 + 4 - (1/2 * 8) - 0 = 15

Game Normalization = 4/50 = 0.08 (which i guess would be the Game_Normalization value for any 4v4 slayer game)

Loss_penalty = 1 (since they won, this value is 1.0)

So, plugging these values into the above rating formula we get the following:

Rating = 1.0 * (1000 + (2000/pi * arctan(15 * 0.08)))

= 1.0 * (1000 + (2000/pi * arctan(1.2)))

= 1.0 * (1000 + (2000/pi * 50.1944))

= 1.0 * (1000 + (2000/157.69))

= 1.0 * (1000 + 12.6831)

= 1012

What am I doing wrong?

  • 09.22.2010 12:22 PM PDT
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Positive vibes.

Hold on, so if I get past the 3 bars in one day, does that mean that I am ranked for good, or do I have to get the 3 bars each day?

  • 09.22.2010 12:38 PM PDT

vv 0 b b L e S, Looks like your arctan is in degrees and I think it should be in radians.

arctan(1.2)=50.1944(degrees)
arctan(1.2)=.876058(radians)

Although I will say when I tried this on my own recent games I was not getting the exact rating they were showing so...

[Edited on 09.22.2010 12:49 PM PDT]

  • 09.22.2010 12:43 PM PDT

And you multiplied by pi instead of diving by pi.

  • 09.22.2010 12:45 PM PDT

I am a very pestamistic person. I see the glass half empty, even when it's full. Dont expect much from me.

wow i don't have that kind of devotion to game. So i dont think i'll do this.

Btw i love how in the campain you guys used lars bakken as one of the solders. when i saw that i started craking up.

i've been playing offline. so thats why you dont see it on my record

[Edited on 09.22.2010 12:59 PM PDT]

  • 09.22.2010 12:46 PM PDT

If you want to know how I got Recon, go here:
http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?type=news&link=Re conHunt

What does the system use to put you in a division? Like does it average your ratings for the past 10 days you've ben rated and compare it to everyone else?



Posted by: a rascal cat
Hold on, so if I get past the 3 bars in one day, does that mean that I am ranked for good, or do I have to get the 3 bars each day?

Each day

  • 09.22.2010 12:48 PM PDT

"Bragging rights" for me was having that max skill and playing carefully to keep it there (Halo 2).

Many don't agree with me I'm sure, but I just don't think this change is for the better. The motivation is gone.


This. C Dirty 4 has it right. It's a unanimous feeling on the outcastreborn forums as well. The new system had taken away all motivation of playing. Customizing your character with creds is kinda cool but boring after 10 minutes. Arena is not for competitive players and not worth being forced to play just to get a temporary "rank". Halo 2, you win you go up. You lose you go down. That's how it should be at it's basic. If you are on a winning team then that's what is important. Take the lakers for example, they are not all TOP NOTCH bball players, BUT they all have championship rings now- because THEIR TEAM won. This promotes good teamwork for lesser skilled players and higher skilled players. The system now is about "getting mine" to rank up because it is retarded how assists work now (with all due respect to bungie.. you guys ruined this aspect of the game). I know H3 was easy to get assists but thats because shooting someone IS assisting in that kill... Now if you shoot the guy 3 of the 5 times (over half of his life) and someone else "steals" the kill you don't get the experience and they do. Whereas it wouldnt matter who gets what kill or assist if the winning team went up. Simple.

  • 09.22.2010 12:55 PM PDT

Cool.

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