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Subject: Spartan II VS Spartan III, who wins?

nope. Its like saying that the government's "classified" information are all equally important. It's the minimum title. Master Chief was MORE hyper lethal because he was so lucky. IMO he could have taken out the whole noble 6 based on his luck alone.

  • 10.01.2010 12:24 PM PDT


Posted by: YEM

[quote]Posted by: x iSuperNova

-Trained by ONI (corporate, cheap etc etc)


Again, it's not the augmentations, training, armor(though Mjolnir is better) that make the S II's better than the S III's

What makes them better is genetics. ALL of the S II's were the creme of the crop, the best of the best.....genetically.
Most, but not all, of the S III's were genetically inferior


Jorge vs 6. Easily jorge, let's be honest. You can see jorge is bulky, but he'd still kick the -blam!- outta 6. Why am i even putting this, it's difference of opinion, there is no fact. This thread starts arguements.

In my opinions, Spartan 3's are still useless, Having spent 27 years in combat and having earnt all combat medals ( except the prisoner of war one). I'd clearly say John would own 6. And i think bungie just gave 6 the "hyper lethal vector" status, just to make it seem like 6 was decent. However lets face it, if master chief had been on reach, delivering cortana. He would've saved all of team noble, and done the job, simple. Like when carter dies, chief would've jumped out, just as it was about to crash. I know i seem like a major chief fanboy, But, as i pointed out, II's are better. HENCE why III's, as i stated died 80% of the time. But got the job done. Efficient, alive soldiers. Or efficient Dead ones? Simple

  • 10.01.2010 12:26 PM PDT

Whats jorge gonna do? He's slow as hell. Hes a tank. Meant to take damage and return crowd fire. The chief would own him based on that alone, not even taking into account his luck and kelly would own jorge even harder.

  • 10.01.2010 12:27 PM PDT


Posted by: x iSuperNova

Posted by: YEM

[quote]Posted by: x iSuperNova

-Trained by ONI (corporate, cheap etc etc)


Again, it's not the augmentations, training, armor(though Mjolnir is better) that make the S II's better than the S III's

What makes them better is genetics. ALL of the S II's were the creme of the crop, the best of the best.....genetically.
Most, but not all, of the S III's were genetically inferior


Jorge vs 6. Easily jorge, let's be honest. You can see jorge is bulky, but he'd still kick the -blam!- outta 6. Why am i even putting this, it's difference of opinion, there is no fact. This thread starts arguements.

In my opinions, Spartan 3's are still useless, Having spent 27 years in combat and having earnt all combat medals ( except the prisoner of war one). I'd clearly say John would own 6. And i think bungie just gave 6 the "hyper lethal vector" status, just to make it seem like 6 was decent. However lets face it, if master chief had been on reach, delivering cortana. He would've saved all of team noble, and done the job, simple. Like when carter dies, chief would've jumped out, just as it was about to crash. I know i seem like a major chief fanboy, But, as i pointed out, II's are better. HENCE why III's, as i stated died 80% of the time. But got the job done. Efficient, alive soldiers. Or efficient Dead ones? Simple

Bump that up to 100% and you are correct.

  • 10.01.2010 12:45 PM PDT

The Spartans III's were just disposable. replaceable soliders.

They were tough but when faced with the numbers as with Operation Prometheus, Or Operation Torpedo. Spartans III's are just little more than marines. wont take much damage.

But a Spartan II would make a Spartan III into pulp.

  • 10.01.2010 5:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: grave_mind21
The Spartans III's were just disposable. replaceable soliders.

They were tough but when faced with the numbers as with Operation Prometheus, Or Operation Torpedo. Spartans III's are just little more than marines. wont take much damage.

But a Spartan II would make a Spartan III into pulp.


Really? Incase you did not notice, during Prometheus, 300 Spartan-III's took on Thousands of Covenant, including covenant air support, and two or more Spartan-III's survived. You clearly don't know that Spartan-II's and III's have the same core augmentations. Spartan-II's are still stronger, faster, and better trained, but calling Spartan-III's marines?

During Prometheus, 12 year old Spartan-III's in SPI Armor were described to be able to move with "speed and agility that no covenant could track". 300 12 year old Spartan-III's charged thousands of Covenant with captured energy swords from killing so many high ranking Elites....Spartan-III's are NOTHING like marines...Just because they can't take as much damaged as Spartan's with MJOLNIR Armor can does not make them like Marines. They have the strength to rip a Marine in half, and the reflexes to dodge bullets...

  • 10.01.2010 5:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: grave_mind21
The Spartans III's were just disposable. replaceable soliders.

They were tough but when faced with the numbers as with Operation Prometheus, Or Operation Torpedo. Spartans III's are just little more than marines. wont take much damage.

But a Spartan II would make a Spartan III into pulp.


Really? Incase you did not notice, during Prometheus, 300 Spartan-III's took on Thousands of Covenant, including covenant air support, and two or more Spartan-III's survived. You clearly don't know that Spartan-II's and III's have the same core augmentations. Spartan-II's are still stronger, faster, and better trained, but calling Spartan-III's marines?

During Prometheus, 12 year old Spartan-III's in SPI Armor were described to be able to move with "speed and agility that no covenant could track". 300 12 year old Spartan-III's charged thousands of Covenant with captured energy swords from killing so many high ranking Elites....Spartan-III's are NOTHING like marines...Just because they can't take as much damaged as Spartan's with MJOLNIR Armor can does not make them like Marines. They have the strength to rip a Marine in half, and the reflexes to dodge bullets...


Single Spartans have taken out thousands of Covenant troops, made armadas disappear, destroyed carries and other large vessels, etc. Beta Team on Reach composed of 12 S-IIs fought back 2 Covenant armor divisions and thousands more troops so much so that 3 Carriers had to be brought in to destroy the ODGs.

They don't have the same augmentations. They have slightly lesser.

Take this into account: The IIIs weren't wearing armor that weighed 1000 lbs. The S-IIs were, and moved at a comparable speed(Kelly having reached up to 38 mph I believe). When the S-IIs completed augmentation the marine training partners needed exoskeleton power armor just to keep up with the unarmored 12 year olds, and even then they got smoked.

  • 10.01.2010 5:25 PM PDT

That's why I love Bungie. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk.

Most companies just give empty threats.


Posted by: mastercheifrckz
S-III's have almost no armor, it's made light so move easy in.

Proof:
Case: "Dante": One plasma bolt to the side killed him due to the weakness of armor.

Case: "Kelly": When she first arrived on Onyx she was attacked by S-III's she open handed stuck an S-III (I wanna say Olivia) and dented the armor. This strike was meant to be non-lethal.

Case: "Ghost of Onyx": Kurt even straight out says that stealth was their only defense.
Sub-case: When Camp Currahee was under attack, Kurt get's to his old S-II armor, saying he SHOULD take it because it is superior in every way.

This is true (it was Olivia) but I think the mean Spartan III
in Mark V armor.

  • 10.01.2010 5:41 PM PDT
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They don't have the same augmentations. They have slightly lesser.



They were not "lesser" at all
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."

S-II's augmentation:
-Carbide Ceramic Ossification
-Muscular Enhancement Injections
-Catalytic Thyroid Implant
-Occipital Capillary Reversal
-Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites

S-III's Augmentation:
-Carbide Ceramic Ossification
-Catalytic Thyroid Implant
-Occipital Capillary Reversal
-Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites

Additional Augmentations:
-Bipolar integration drug
-Neural-altering non-carcinogenic mutagen
-Miso-olanzapine

  • 10.02.2010 7:46 AM PDT

Spartan 3 were considered expendable, so they would be given cheaper armor and equipment, mayby even training. Spartan 2's were considered expensive, (dont remember where i heard this) but they were given armor, equil in cost to a UNSC ship.

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: grave_mind21
The Spartans III's were just disposable. replaceable soliders.

They were tough but when faced with the numbers as with Operation Prometheus, Or Operation Torpedo. Spartans III's are just little more than marines. wont take much damage.

But a Spartan II would make a Spartan III into pulp.


Really? Incase you did not notice, during Prometheus, 300 Spartan-III's took on Thousands of Covenant, including covenant air support, and two or more Spartan-III's survived. You clearly don't know that Spartan-II's and III's have the same core augmentations. Spartan-II's are still stronger, faster, and better trained, but calling Spartan-III's marines?

During Prometheus, 12 year old Spartan-III's in SPI Armor were described to be able to move with "speed and agility that no covenant could track". 300 12 year old Spartan-III's charged thousands of Covenant with captured energy swords from killing so many high ranking Elites....Spartan-III's are NOTHING like marines...Just because they can't take as much damaged as Spartan's with MJOLNIR Armor can does not make them like Marines. They have the strength to rip a Marine in half, and the reflexes to dodge bullets...


Single Spartans have taken out thousands of Covenant troops, made armadas disappear, destroyed carries and other large vessels, etc. Beta Team on Reach composed of 12 S-IIs fought back 2 Covenant armor divisions and thousands more troops so much so that 3 Carriers had to be brought in to destroy the ODGs.

They don't have the same augmentations. They have slightly lesser.

Take this into account: The IIIs weren't wearing armor that weighed 1000 lbs. The S-IIs were, and moved at a comparable speed(Kelly having reached up to 38 mph I believe). When the S-IIs completed augmentation the marine training partners needed exoskeleton power armor just to keep up with the unarmored 12 year olds, and even then they got smoked.


Dude, The 1000 pound armor is an advantage.......MJOLNIR Increases the users strength, speed, and reflexes, which is why Spartan-II's in MJOLNIR are significantly stronger, and faster than Spartan-III's in SPI Armor.

Spartan-II's and III's do have the same augmentations, besides the one that makes all Spartan-II's 7 feet tall. II's are however, are still stronger and faster even without the armor. They have spent alot more time in their Spartan bodies, and the longer a Spartan spends in his/her augmented body, the better he/she becomes.

Spartan-II's are definately better (Although Spartan-III's have the POTENTIAL to be as good, I dont think any of them reached their full potential), but my point is, a little kid inexperienced Spartan-III in crappy SPI Armor can rip out a Jackals arms, beat an experienced sword wielding Spec-Ops Elite in hand to hand combat, dodge a plasma bolt from close range, and move with "Speed and agility that no Covenant could track". Not even close to being "marines"...

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  • 10.02.2010 9:16 AM PDT

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  • 10.02.2010 10:19 AM PDT

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Buck is an ODST. How can he be made of Fungi?

III's Were quick and cheap.

  • 10.02.2010 10:45 AM PDT
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Definitely the S-IIs. They've had much more training, and were created to do their jobs well.

S-IIIs were just created to up the number of super soldiers.

PS: Nice avatar, OP. :)

  • 10.02.2010 10:47 AM PDT

so because hes the designated heavy weapons guy in Noble team he's useless one on one? don't forget jorge is using a turret machine gun which if you remember slows the master chief down just as much, all Spartan II's are tanks, its what they do.

  • 10.02.2010 10:52 AM PDT

I am the PHILOSORAPTOR!

the fact that Noble Six isn't alive and the John-117 is makes no difference. Noble Six, if he would've chose to live and board the Pillar of Autumn, (they would've made a wonderful team, don't you think?) Six chose to DIE (honorably), and the Master Chief chose to LIVE. Your argument is therefore invalid. EPIC FAILURE @ 'POMC S117 OWNS'!

  • 10.02.2010 11:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spitfire45
the fact that Noble Six isn't alive and the John-117 is makes no difference. Noble Six, if he would've chose to live and board the Pillar of Autumn, (they would've made a wonderful team, don't you think?) Six chose to DIE (honorably), and the Master Chief chose to LIVE. Your argument is therefore invalid. EPIC FAILURE @ 'POMC S117 OWNS'!


Actully there is a ton of evidence to suggest chief dies.
Secondly, no they wouldn't have because of the cross between team player (MC)and his counterpart lone wolf (6)
Finally SIIs were better augmentated and given better training.

  • 10.02.2010 11:52 AM PDT

We can dual wield what's left of this.

No fing contest

  • 10.02.2010 1:42 PM PDT

Halo 3 > Halo Reach

Forget Reach...

Remember Halo 3...

Spartan II's cause they got the chief!

  • 10.02.2010 2:06 PM PDT
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While I believe the Spartan IIs are the superior soldier, the Spartan IIIs received better training.

If you read The Ghosts of Onyx, you'd know that Kurt (a Spartan II) designed a training regiment tougher than what he and the other Spartan IIs went through.

And again, some S-III's would have been perfectly fine S-IIS. Lucy, Noble 6, Kat....all would/could have been S-IIs
418 candidates gathered at Camp Currahee, Onyx. The vetting process to select 300 for augmentation was ongoing in 2541. The Camp was supervised by the AI Deep Winter, replacing the previous AI Eternal Spring. After-action analysis of Operation: PROMETHEUS resulted in an increased emphasis on unit cohesion during training.
Unlike Ackerson, who was quite prepared to see every one of the Spartan-III's trained die if an appropriately high-value target could be found, both Kurt and Mendez tried to extract as many personnel as they could to stop them from being wasted on suicide missions, as almost the entire company would be in Operation: TORPEDO. SPARTAN-B312 was deployed alone immediately after training, although Catherine-B320 was more difficult to extract after Operation: CARTWHEEL.[1]
Similarly, Kurt attempted to send SPARTAN-B170 and B091 on deep-space reconnaissance to avoid being sent as part of the TORPEDO assault force, although this attempt was unsuccessful in Lucy's case. All of these were of the SPARTAN-II genetic standards and were deemed too valuable to be wasted on suicide missions and were later equipped with actual MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor rather than the cheaper but less effective SPI, and deployed on missions more befitting their Spartan status, rather than the suicide missions they had been trained for. All of these extractions would result in Beta company Spartan-III personnel surviving to fight in the Human-Covenant War, outside of Ackerson's chain of command and completely unknown to him

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Posted by: YEM
While I believe the Spartan IIs are the superior soldier, the Spartan IIIs received better training.

If you read The Ghosts of Onyx, you'd know that Kurt (a Spartan II) designed a training regiment tougher than what he and the other Spartan IIs went through.

And again, some S-III's would have been perfectly fine S-IIS. Lucy, Noble 6, Kat....all would/could have been S-IIs
418 candidates gathered at Camp Currahee, Onyx. The vetting process to select 300 for augmentation was ongoing in 2541. The Camp was supervised by the AI Deep Winter, replacing the previous AI Eternal Spring. After-action analysis of Operation: PROMETHEUS resulted in an increased emphasis on unit cohesion during training.
Unlike Ackerson, who was quite prepared to see every one of the Spartan-III's trained die if an appropriately high-value target could be found, both Kurt and Mendez tried to extract as many personnel as they could to stop them from being wasted on suicide missions, as almost the entire company would be in Operation: TORPEDO. SPARTAN-B312 was deployed alone immediately after training, although Catherine-B320 was more difficult to extract after Operation: CARTWHEEL.[1]
Similarly, Kurt attempted to send SPARTAN-B170 and B091 on deep-space reconnaissance to avoid being sent as part of the TORPEDO assault force, although this attempt was unsuccessful in Lucy's case. All of these were of the SPARTAN-II genetic standards and were deemed too valuable to be wasted on suicide missions and were later equipped with actual MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor rather than the cheaper but less effective SPI, and deployed on missions more befitting their Spartan status, rather than the suicide missions they had been trained for. All of these extractions would result in Beta company Spartan-III personnel surviving to fight in the Human-Covenant War, outside of Ackerson's chain of command and completely unknown to him


No, it is a fact that Spartan-II's received much better training than Spartan-III's did. The training of the Spartan-III's was rushed. They may have planned for Spartan-III's to receive superior training, but in the end, they did not.

  • 10.02.2010 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hysterical Joker

Posted by: MasterBawney121
The II's (Master Chiefs generation of Spartan) are obviously stronger but based on the games solely the III's seem to have way more tech and even armor permutations.

Discuss...

Noble team was the exception. If you're saying Noble Team vs Spartan-IIs, even though they wear the same armor, S-IIs come out on top simply because they are much stronger, more agile, and have faster reaction times compared to the S-IIIs.

Ex: Look at how big Jorge is compared to Noble 6.


Exactly, the difference is apparent. One's own opinion might sway to one side or the other, however based on the numbers: Spartan II > Spartan III

  • 10.02.2010 5:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jonzx5
No, it is a fact that Spartan-II's received much better training than Spartan-III's did. The training of the Spartan-III's was rushed. They may have planned for Spartan-III's to receive superior training, but in the end, they did not.
Actually, heres how it went. The training the Spartan IIIs got wasn't neccesarily better, it was more intense. Also, it focused specifically on the "team effort". As stated in First Strike (during Linda's sniping on the Unyielding Elephant) Spartan IIs worked great in a team, but they were just as comfortable working alone.

Once the Spartan IIIs lost unit cohesion they didn't last very long.

Also, the Spartan IIs received a few more years of training than the Spartan IIIs did.

Contrary to popular belief, not all the missions the Spartan IIIs went on were suicide missions. According to some unnamed Rear Admiral who was present when Kurt was being informed of Alpha Company's demise, the Spartan IIIs showed the work of a battalion instead of a company. He listed four battles by name, and said they'd been involved in at least half a dozen other major engagements.

With this, and the fact that 300 Spartan IIIs were involved in Operation PROMETHEUS, we can assume they did the work of a battalion (Quadruple the size of Alpha Company) without a single loss.

  • 10.02.2010 5:36 PM PDT

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If it was one S-II and maybe two or three S-III it may be even with the differences in armor (Mjolnir and SPI). Give the S-II an AI like Cortana and the S-II would mop the floor with them.

  • 10.02.2010 7:49 PM PDT