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Subject: Spartan II VS Spartan III, who wins?

There's too many factors.

Where would the battle be, when, conditions, circumstances, what are the rules, etc. Can't say.



[Edited on 10.02.2010 9:48 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2010 9:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jonzx5



No, it is a fact that Spartan-II's received much better training than Spartan-III's did.

Have you read any of the books? Go read Ghosts of Onyx

  • 10.03.2010 7:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: YEM

Posted by: Jonzx5



No, it is a fact that Spartan-II's received much better training than Spartan-III's did.

Have you read any of the books? Go read Ghosts of Onyx
Yeah, the Spartan III's received better training than the Spartan II's. Kurt made sure of that, but I still say the a Spartan II would beat a Spartan III in an un-armored spar. Then again the SIII's have that "rage"-mode. :P

[Edited on 10.03.2010 7:41 AM PDT]

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Posted by: YEM

Posted by: Jonzx5



No, it is a fact that Spartan-II's received much better training than Spartan-III's did.

Have you read any of the books? Go read Ghosts of Onyx


I have read all of the books. It is stated that Spartan-III's were SUPPOSED to receive better training, but they did not. It was rushed. During the end battle, it even states that the Spartan-II's were battle hardened calm, and better trained compared to the Spartan-III's who's heart rate increased.

As for physically, although II's and III's have basicly the same core augmentations, II's are still stronger, and faster due to the fact that they have spent more time in their augmented bodies, and the more time a Spartan spends in his/her augmented body, the better he/she becomes. II's are definately superior soldiers, however III's have the potential to be as good, after all, if 12 year old Spartan-III's in SPI Armor were described as being able to move with speed and reflexes that no covenant could track, imagine what a fully matured Spartan-III in MJOLNIR can do.

  • 10.03.2010 12:01 PM PDT

Let's do it.

My one complaint about Reach and a feature of it. The sprint load out. It should have been a default feature for all players. not a load out. Just about ever Spartan can run faster then the average bear according to the books. those are my two sheckles.

  • 10.03.2010 12:26 PM PDT

Let's do it.

The spartans 3's augmentation included the ability to compensate for heart rate, and the ability to keep fighting even when they are dead. I can not recall the characters name, but one of the S3(GoO) got fatally shot but continued to run until his orders were carried out. Stated to Kurt that he did what was needed, and got bit, then dropped dead.

Pretty bad ass if you ask me.

[Edited on 10.03.2010 12:29 PM PDT]

  • 10.03.2010 12:29 PM PDT

Lets put it this way... Master Chief killed a millions of covenant units. He probably killed double or quadruple that number of Flood units.

Should you question anymore? Comparing 6 to Chief with obscure information about 6 is no comparison and if you would compare 6 with the information you have as much as you know, 6's experience in battle proves to be terribly inferior to the Chief's capabilities. Killing millions of covenant forces and flood infections allowed him to technically learn better methods of close range fighting and shooting tactics which greatly outweighs the low experience but well trained N6.

  • 10.03.2010 2:25 PM PDT

Noble 6's experience in battle with the covenant is only less than a week and this Lone Wolf thing about him is applied to the fight against the rebellious human forces.

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Posted by: Da Block Hustler
Lets put it this way... Master Chief killed a millions of covenant units. He probably killed double or quadruple that number of Flood units.

Should you question anymore? Comparing 6 to Chief with obscure information about 6 is no comparison and if you would compare 6 with the information you have as much as you know, 6's experience in battle proves to be terribly inferior to the Chief's capabilities. Killing millions of covenant forces and flood infections allowed him to technically learn better methods of close range fighting and shooting tactics which greatly outweighs the low experience but well trained N6.



Chief strugglers every 1v1 with an Elite or Brute, while Fred, Will and Noble Six won't hesitate to kill anyone with their bare hands on 1v1.

Read the books, seriously, John is an average Spartan who had to deal with fairly small Covenant fleet after Reach had fallen. Any Spartan could have managed that with an AI.

  • 10.03.2010 2:36 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.


Posted by: manwith

Posted by: Da Block Hustler
Lets put it this way... Master Chief killed a millions of covenant units. He probably killed double or quadruple that number of Flood units.

Should you question anymore? Comparing 6 to Chief with obscure information about 6 is no comparison and if you would compare 6 with the information you have as much as you know, 6's experience in battle proves to be terribly inferior to the Chief's capabilities. Killing millions of covenant forces and flood infections allowed him to technically learn better methods of close range fighting and shooting tactics which greatly outweighs the low experience but well trained N6.



Chief strugglers every 1v1 with an Elite or Brute, while Fred, Will and Noble Six won't hesitate to kill anyone with their bare hands on 1v1.

Read the books, seriously, John is an average Spartan who had to deal with fairly small Covenant fleet after Reach had fallen. Any Spartan could have managed that with an AI.


He dealt with a "fairly small Covenant fleet."

What the hell are you smoking?

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Posted by: privet caboose

Posted by: manwith

Posted by: Da Block Hustler
Lets put it this way... Master Chief killed a millions of covenant units. He probably killed double or quadruple that number of Flood units.

Should you question anymore? Comparing 6 to Chief with obscure information about 6 is no comparison and if you would compare 6 with the information you have as much as you know, 6's experience in battle proves to be terribly inferior to the Chief's capabilities. Killing millions of covenant forces and flood infections allowed him to technically learn better methods of close range fighting and shooting tactics which greatly outweighs the low experience but well trained N6.



Chief strugglers every 1v1 with an Elite or Brute, while Fred, Will and Noble Six won't hesitate to kill anyone with their bare hands on 1v1.

Read the books, seriously, John is an average Spartan who had to deal with fairly small Covenant fleet after Reach had fallen. Any Spartan could have managed that with an AI.


He dealt with a "fairly small Covenant fleet."

What the hell are you smoking?


I'm not feeling embarrassed by someone trying to be cheeky who's not old enough to play in the first place.

  • 10.03.2010 3:30 PM PDT

(Bungie > 343i)

Spartan II > Spartan III

  • 10.03.2010 4:03 PM PDT

Spartan II's would do to Spartan III's as Bane did to Batman.

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Posted by: manwith

Posted by: Da Block Hustler
Lets put it this way... Master Chief killed a millions of covenant units. He probably killed double or quadruple that number of Flood units.

Should you question anymore? Comparing 6 to Chief with obscure information about 6 is no comparison and if you would compare 6 with the information you have as much as you know, 6's experience in battle proves to be terribly inferior to the Chief's capabilities. Killing millions of covenant forces and flood infections allowed him to technically learn better methods of close range fighting and shooting tactics which greatly outweighs the low experience but well trained N6.



Chief strugglers every 1v1 with an Elite or Brute, while Fred, Will and Noble Six won't hesitate to kill anyone with their bare hands on 1v1.

Read the books, seriously, John is an average Spartan who had to deal with fairly small Covenant fleet after Reach had fallen. Any Spartan could have managed that with an AI.


No, John is an above average Spartan. Even as a 6 year old boy, he was clearly gifted. The only time when John struggled in a 1v1 was when he was extremely wounded, he was suffering from broken ribs, brain damage, muscle fataigue, and he had just finished fighting on Reach, watching all his friends die, watching an entire planet get glassed, discovering the flood, and blowing up Halo. He was up against a rested up and ready to fight Spec-Ops Elite with a sword, John only had his fists. He still won by kicking the Elite across the room though.

With that being said, other Spartan's are better in hand to hand combat than John is, but John as a whole is still an above average Spartan, with his weakpoint being hand to hand combat. He still win's all his hand to hand fights though...

As for saying that any other Spartan would have accomplished the same thing with Cortana, that MIGHT be true, however you must remember that John has luck on his side.

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Posted by: Jonzx5

Posted by: manwith

Posted by: Da Block Hustler
Lets put it this way... Master Chief killed a millions of covenant units. He probably killed double or quadruple that number of Flood units.

Should you question anymore? Comparing 6 to Chief with obscure information about 6 is no comparison and if you would compare 6 with the information you have as much as you know, 6's experience in battle proves to be terribly inferior to the Chief's capabilities. Killing millions of covenant forces and flood infections allowed him to technically learn better methods of close range fighting and shooting tactics which greatly outweighs the low experience but well trained N6.



Chief strugglers every 1v1 with an Elite or Brute, while Fred, Will and Noble Six won't hesitate to kill anyone with their bare hands on 1v1.

Read the books, seriously, John is an average Spartan who had to deal with fairly small Covenant fleet after Reach had fallen. Any Spartan could have managed that with an AI.


No, John is an above average Spartan. Even as a 6 year old boy, he was clearly gifted. The only time when John struggled in a 1v1 was when he was extremely wounded, he was suffering from broken ribs, brain damage, muscle fataigue, and he had just finished fighting on Reach, watching all his friends die, watching an entire planet get glassed, discovering the flood, and blowing up Halo. He was up against a rested up and ready to fight Spec-Ops Elite with a sword, John only had his fists. He still won by kicking the Elite across the room though.

With that being said, other Spartan's are better in hand to hand combat than John is, but John as a whole is still an above average Spartan, with his weakpoint being hand to hand combat. He still win's all his hand to hand fights though...

As for saying that any other Spartan would have accomplished the same thing with Cortana, that MIGHT be true, however you must remember that John has luck on his side.


Yeah, he has luck on his side, but I'm mainly tired of people repeating that, because it's not going to save him from a hyper-lethal Spartan super soldier in 1v1, or from the glassing of Reach, if he was the one defending the generators.

The reason I consider him ''an average Spartan'' is that I don't recall any Spartan-II (or S-III in MJOLNIR) ''being worse, or less capable'' at any combat specialties he currently holds in the battlefield.

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Posted by: Jonzx5




I have read all of the books. It is stated that Spartan-III's were SUPPOSED to receive better training, but they did not. It was rushed. During the end battle, it even states that the Spartan-II's were battle hardened calm, and better trained compared to the Spartan-III's who's heart rate increased.



It wasn't "suppose" to be better, it was.

As for the "S-IIs were battle hardened" that was because they have been fighting for decades, whereas team Saber and the other S-IIIs on Onyx were just finishing up training.

The S-IIs were better, but the S-IIIs got better training


And as for the Master Chief, he wasn't the biggest, fastest, or strongest Spartan, but he was the best all around Spartan. One of the best leaders and he had the best "luck" (he always won)

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  • 10.04.2010 9:01 PM PDT

POMC S117 Owns owns

330 SIII's went on a mission to attack a covvie world and only 2 made it out alive, while 4 spartan IIs attack whole Inny cities and win with no casualties. I'm not saying SIIIs are bad just not as good as S 2s.

  • 10.09.2010 3:37 AM PDT

Spartan III, easy. Even disregarding the SIIIs from Ghosts of Onyx and focusing solely on Noble Team, you can't ignore the fact that SIIIs were trained differently from SIIs.

Spartan IIIs, from Beta Company onwards, were meant to focus more on team effort then going 'lone wolf.' They also had less training time and weaker armor, and although their physical augmentations were probably better what with more advanced technology, they were still designed to be cheap, expendable soldiers.

Not to say SIIIs are weak - Noble Team was pretty badass. But if you were to put a SIII against an SII, I'd say the SII would win, hands down.

  • 10.09.2010 7:42 AM PDT

I think Spartan II's are destroying. But Spartan II's can't touch Spartan I's. Sergeant Johnson for the win!

  • 10.09.2010 7:56 AM PDT

I agree 100% with KH4 ilmmune
Too many factors that were different with the Spartan II's and III's
But If I had to choose, Spartan II's I mean , come on John is just insanely crazily better than all.

  • 12.05.2010 10:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dragonzzilla
Between Six and John, it'd be a draw. Both are hyper lethal and lone wolves.

S-117 was trained to be in a team. He was never good at being a lone wolf...

  • 12.05.2010 10:31 AM PDT

Even without armor the S-II would win because of being genetically superior and a hell of a lot more experienced.

  • 12.05.2010 10:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dragonzzilla
Between Six and John, it'd be a draw. Both are hyper lethal and lone wolves.

S-117 was trained to be in a team. He was never good at being a lone wolf...


Which is why he single handedly went through H1-3. Alone.

  • 12.05.2010 10:32 AM PDT

Get a Spartan II and III of equal size, training and the same armour (let's say they both have Mk. V MJOLNIR), the Spartan II is more likely to win because they are genetically superior, as Spartan IIs were only chosen from the finest genetic candidates, whereas IIIs the modification process could be applied to most candidates, therefore they were chosen more broadly and genetically inferior.
But really, the difference between Spartan II and III is very little, the training was top notch for both, both can use the same armour (just most Spartan IIIs didn't get MJOLNIR), and so on. The only real difference was that by the time Spartan IIIs were augmented, the process had been enhanced so the gene pool of candidates was much larger.

  • 12.05.2010 10:38 AM PDT