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Subject: Bungie.....whyyyyy
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Before i rant on, yes this thread is about a Halo:CE on XBL. NO, Im not asking for it, im just asking WHY bungie refuses to do it.

Some people like Halo 2, some people dont. I happen to love Halo 2, just as much as I love Halo:CE. I like both games Equally. Im not a Halo 2 hater, nor am I completely devoted to Halo:CE. But WHY does bungie think it is "going backwards" by releasing a Halo:CE Special Edition for XBL??? All it would do was make all the people who love both Halo 2, and Halo:CE alot happier. This way, we can play both games. I wouldnt even care if they didnt have download content if they made a Halo:CE on XBL. I know that originally they were going to do a Halo 1.5 but instead made a Halo 2, but I think alot of people would enjoy being able to play both games, halo 1 and halo 2, over the internet. I know all of you will say "Thats what XBC is for". Well it kind of sucks, especially when you experiance a Lag-tacular. XBL is simply better. So Bungie if you would please, Re-release Halo:CE on XBOX. Hell, it could be the Killer App (for launch) that the XB360 so desperatly needs. I'm sure you would make a lot of people happy as well as make a pretty penny at the same time. My Final Question: WHY NOT.

  • 10.05.2005 12:06 PM PDT
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They're not doing it just to piss you off.

  • 10.05.2005 1:17 PM PDT

Posted by: gnome13
dude, you pulled a jesus!

It would experience the same drawbacks that Halo 2 has in XBL:* Laggy gameplay at times* immature pricks playing the game* modding, stanbying, bridging, etc.

Plus I wouldn't expect the majority of players to re-buy the same game for just ONE new feature. Maybe if they throw some other features in along with it it would look more appealing to do, but don't bet on seeing it come out soon (if ever).

  • 10.05.2005 2:07 PM PDT
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XBL and XBC..now...i know this will make me look dumb and idiotic infront of you lot..but whats he difference? as in what does the L & C stand for?

  • 10.05.2005 2:15 PM PDT

Posted by: gnome13
dude, you pulled a jesus!

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XBL and XBC..now...i know this will make me look dumb and idiotic infront of you lot..but whats he difference? as in what does the L & C stand for?

X Box Live - playing over the internet.

X Box Connect - system linking more than one Xbox together...although there now is a program that lets you use XBC like XBL, but what ever.

  • 10.05.2005 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
think a little more clearly. try to look into the future...
"Pistols on Wizard"


Lets look into the presnt.

"Smg start on warlock"

Anyways, play halo 1 on xbc, it's way more fun, especially playing offhost and pulling sick shots.

[Edited on 10/5/2005]

  • 10.05.2005 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

  • 10.05.2005 3:24 PM PDT
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Dude, just get halo pc

  • 10.05.2005 4:37 PM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

No. Halo Xbox Xbox Connect. Also, XBC is much more laggy than XBL, i's jsut those -blam!- cheaters.

  • 10.05.2005 5:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Budweiser Man 1
It would experience the same drawbacks that Halo 2 has in XBL:* Laggy gameplay at times* immature pricks playing the game* modding, stanbying, bridging, etc.

Plus I wouldn't expect the majority of players to re-buy the same game for just ONE new feature. Maybe if they throw some other features in along with it it would look more appealing to do, but don't bet on seeing it come out soon (if ever).


I would rebuy it. I got it for PC and XBOX. True it would have the problems but the idea is good and it would help all those who like Halo:CE, Besides bungie could rework the graphics on it.

  • 10.05.2005 6:09 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

1. We were never planning on making a Halo 1.5. Ever. That was a wishful rumor that refused to die.
2. We don't want to make Halo 1 again... because we already made it once. Sure, you may wish it had extra features, but to us, it would just be the same game, and for very little return, creatively or financially.

No, we are quite comfortable working on our new project. You will never play Halo 1 on Xbox Live.

  • 10.05.2005 6:27 PM PDT

Posted by: gnome13
dude, you pulled a jesus!

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Posted by: Budweiser Man 1
It would experience the same drawbacks that Halo 2 has in XBL:* Laggy gameplay at times* immature pricks playing the game* modding, stanbying, bridging, etc.

Plus I wouldn't expect the majority of players to re-buy the same game for just ONE new feature. Maybe if they throw some other features in along with it it would look more appealing to do, but don't bet on seeing it come out soon (if ever).


I would rebuy it. I got it for PC and XBOX. True it would have the problems but the idea is good and it would help all those who like Halo:CE, Besides bungie could rework the graphics on it.
I know that some players will re-buy it, but with just one feature added it doesn't offer much extra than the original. And re-doing the graphics doesn't sound like a good idea. I love the graphics for Halo CE and I don't want them changed.

  • 10.05.2005 6:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Yeah I could never get through the game without that pistol because it was the best...wait a second...I did get through it on Legendary with the AR. "but the pistol was your secondary weapon" No it wasn't...my combo was the AR and sniper, AR out first.

And smg isn't balanced...especially when there are BR's on the map. Sorry but smg < BR in every face to face battle.

To Achronos:
Sorry to hear that...although I still wish it would come true. No changes at all, just able to go on XBL. I know I would have bought it. Too bad...thanks for expressing the truth.

  • 10.05.2005 7:32 PM PDT
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If Bungie rereleased Halo: Combat Evolved with Xbox Live capabilites, they would be spitting in the face of their own legacy. Why?

A) It would be publically saying something along the lines of "You know, Halo 2 is cool and all, but I'm sure plenty of people will pay 50 extra dollars to play the same game they played a few years ago, except with online play. You know what, that game we worked on for years and years, it wasn't that cool anyway." Halo: CE was about the lan party. If you eliminate that, you eliminate the legacy and the impact of the game. Also, in doing so, Bungie would basically be saying that Halo 2 isn't as good as Halo: CE, and that would be like taking a dump on Bungie three years of work.

B) People playing Halo: CE on Live would suck people away from Halo 2 on Live. Even if its six people, its still someone. Bungie is proud of how many people they STILL have playing Halo 2 online. It's something they can boast about for years. "We had X millions of people on Live from then to then." The last thing they would want is to split their numbers.

C) If Bungie spent time rereleasing the first Halo, then that would draw power away from Halo 3, err...their next project. And the absolutely last thing I want Bungie to do is to become distracted while working on their next project. (Halo Movie not withstanding)

Halo: CE on Live would have been cool two or three years ago, but not now. You can't live in the past, and whine that your nonsense nostalgia isn't being supported by a cutting-edge game developer. As opposed to wanting Halo: CE to be released for Live, why not campaign for Bungie's next project to be more like Halo: CE? Look forward to the future, and don't dwell in the past.

Incredibus Seal of Disapproval.

  • 10.05.2005 7:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
1. We were never planning on making a Halo 1.5. Ever. That was a wishful rumor that refused to die.
2. We don't want to make Halo 1 again... because we already made it once. Sure, you may wish it had extra features, but to us, it would just be the same game, and for very little return, creatively or financially.

No, we are quite comfortable working on our new project. You will never play Halo 1 on Xbox Live.


ITs not necessarily "making it again". Merely STOP producing the normal "Platnum hits" version and replace it with a $20-$50 version of Halo:CE on Live. I know they changed/revised the Halo:CE you bought when it came out. Nothing major, nothing to do with the game or anything, but if you notice the image on the CD is flipped backwards, and instead of the Halo:CE disk having "game demos" it has videos and previews of Halo 2. Bungie, is there that much harm in replacing the platnum hits version of Halo:CE with a Halo:CE on Live? XBC sucks, XBL is sooo much better. Idk who said it, but someone said there would be modders, which would be kind of hard since there would be no d/l content on it since bungie wouldnt be required to support the game, since they are kinda supporting Halo 2 and working on their "unnamed project"

  • 10.05.2005 8:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
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Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Another person who thinks "Oh, the only reason he likes Halo better than Halo2 is because he's a pistol whore!" Ok, I've said this dozens of times and I'll say it again.

1) Most games you started out with the damn gun. It makes all people start on equal terms.

2) It is not the best weapon in the game. Your statment of "pistols on Wizard" is actual quite false. The shotgun is the main weapon for a map that small. Try using just a pistol with any half decent players on Wizard, while they can use shotguns, AR, ect. You will lose.

3) It required skill to use. It isn't the "noob cannon" everyone trys to make it out to be. No one, and I mean no one, can get three shot kills ALL the time unless they were playing people who have never played a game in their lives.

Now, to sum that all up. Most games everyone starts with the pistol, it is not the best weapon in the game because any weapon can beat it in their own area, and it requires skill.

  • 10.05.2005 9:03 PM PDT
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You guys do realize the intense work it takes to program a game for internet connectivity, right? Halo CE simply was not designed to be played over the internet. To port the game straight from it's current version and adding XBL options would create horrible lag and connectivity problems. It'd be incredibly tedious to re-write the programming for Halo: CE to work well via the internet. XBL is much much different than System Link.

Basically, there's no viable reason to rework an old game that has an incredibly successful sequel ruling over XBL at the moment, with other games in the works from Bungie as well.

[Edited on 10/6/2005]

  • 10.06.2005 1:42 AM PDT
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Well I'm sure Bungie would consider re-making Halo for XBOX live if they had loads and loads of time on their hands. But as it is, Bungie (apparently) does not sit around for 362 days of the year looking for projects!

Mind you it sure would be nice to know what exactly they are working on right now, if not for the millions of die-hard Bungie fans, then perhaps simply to put the Halo 3 / Pimps at Sea rumors to bed....

Btw, is it just me, or do all the really really old school members come here a lot? But if you are looking to waste a good half-hour, try going on an 'old-member safari' in the Zanzibar forum (in other words look through posts to see anyone with a join date of '04 or older)... its actually suprisingly entertaining, and is getting increasingly difficult.

[Edited on 10/6/2005]

  • 10.06.2005 5:02 AM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

Posted by: Dobber83
You guys do realize the intense work it takes to program a game for internet connectivity, right? Halo CE simply was not designed to be played over the internet. To port the game straight from it's current version and adding XBL options would create horrible lag and connectivity problems. It'd be incredibly tedious to re-write the programming for Halo: CE to work well via the internet. XBL is much much different than System Link.

Basically, there's no viable reason to rework an old game that has an incredibly successful sequel ruling over XBL at the moment, with other games in the works from Bungie as well.


I totally agree! This is probably one of the main reasons. Network coding is tedious at the best of times, and to retro fit halo with Live capability would take much longer than you think. It has to be desigened, perfected, integrated into the code thats already there, and then tested to death. It could take ages. Bungies main team has better things to do than revisit old projects (like doing halo 3). Its not like they could just lift the Live code from halo 2 and plug that it. and it's not just the network code. The'd have to do the interface for getting on live as well (Menus and all that). There really is alot of work involved to do it.

It really just isn't worth the man power required to do it. Plus bungie have finished with halo:ce, it was released 4 years ago!!! Take it from a programmer, it's hard enough going back looking at code you wrote last month never mind 4 years ago.

In the end bungie is a buisness. no matter how dedicated they are to their fans, undertaking a project you know is going to cost you alot on money is a bad buisness sense.

Finally, Even if bungie wanted to to go back and do this they'd have to get the backing from microsoft and from a distrubitor. No distrubitor in the world is going to put out a 4 year old game just because it has one or two extras. They have to charge a fortune for each unit and even then probablywouldn't make their money back.

While i too would love this to happen. It just won't.

thus ends the rant!

-Stu

  • 10.06.2005 12:04 PM PDT
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think a little more clearly. try to look into the future...
"Pistols on Wizard"


Lets look into the presnt.

"Smg start on warlock"

Anyways, play halo 1 on xbc, it's way more fun, especially playing offhost and pulling sick shots.

but the SMG is balanced.


Spawning with a pistol on Blood Gulch I have a good chance of defending myself against a sniper. Spawning with an SMG on Coagulation I'm helpless.

I mean, honestly, do YOU even believe that statement?

  • 10.06.2005 2:18 PM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

But the SMG isn't the 'replacement' pistol in halo 2, The battle rifle is. SO the question you need to ask is can you survive with the battle rifle. The SMG is more comparable to the Assault Rifle in Halo 1.

-Stu

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Posted by: Achronos
1. We were never planning on making a Halo 1.5. Ever. That was a wishful rumor that refused to die.
2. We don't want to make Halo 1 again... because we already made it once. Sure, you may wish it had extra features, but to us, it would just be the same game, and for very little return, creatively or financially.

No, we are quite comfortable working on our new project. You will never play Halo 1 on Xbox Live.


Why the hell can't some third party company incorporate XboxLive onto Halo1? There weren't very many problems with Halo PC when GearBox did that port, so how hard can it be to make Halo1 XboxLive compatible?

Is it just me or is it sad to hear Bungie making decisions solely on the financial outcome. YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BY MICROSOFT AND HAVE SOLD NEARLY 7 MILLION COPIES OF HALO 2 I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT REVENUES.

I guess i don't just see why there are so many pessimistic people around.

If you happen to reply to this post, make sure you make some witty condescending remark that makes me feel bad as a person inside.

  • 10.06.2005 5:17 PM PDT