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Subject: Bungie.....whyyyyy

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....


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Awwwwww..... ummmmm sorry can't think if one.... quick, just pretend i did! No-one will notice.

Well the Halo CE thing is abit different. That was releasing the game on a different platform and technically on a different market so there'd be a whole load of new people buying it who hadn't bought the xbox version. With this you're releasing the same game on the same console just with a little extra added. Theres a whole load of people who just aren't willing to pay $30-$50 for essentially the same game, with only a very little bit added.

I don't actually think that bungie get much choice as to whether they would even do this or not. The are owned my microsoft who pretty much tell them what they want and when they want it. Thats the way the industry works i'm afraid. Believe it or not bungie don't have free reign to do whatever they want. There's really not much point petitioning Bungie for something that is essentially out of their control. You'd need microsoft and a distrubitor onboard as well before anything would get done.

-Stu

[Edited on 10/6/2005]

  • 10.06.2005 5:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Elite_elite
Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.


Couldn't've said it better m'self...

  • 10.06.2005 8:29 PM PDT
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Bungie is probably still pissed by the glitching phenomenon caused by halo 1 and want to cover up feeble coding mistakes like being able to hit the open door switch multiple times, killing off all enemies and/or being bumped thru a wall (!) and living.

This is my theory and judging by halo 2, halo 3 is going to make halo 2 look like halo 1 :)

As for live, i've got 8 years of asm coding under my belt and it's my expert opinion that with 2 packs of smokes and a bottle of scotch a day you could have live running with halo ce in 2 months, easily. Stuff the level bananas. Gimme the source, i'll grab a dev license and you can all chip in for the booze :)

  • 10.07.2005 12:39 AM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

Posted by: rocksolidrudeboy
As for live, i've got 8 years of asm coding under my belt and it's my expert opinion that with 2 packs of smokes and a bottle of scotch a day you could have live running with halo ce in 2 months, easily. Stuff the level bananas. Gimme the source, i'll grab a dev license and you can all chip in for the booze :)


Ha ha... we can cut production costs if we make our own booze....

*Sleepystephen starts fermenting oranges behind the radiator*

Ok, Booze will be taken care of in a couple of months. Orange wine. Its not pretty, but it gets th job done.

-Stu

  • 10.07.2005 2:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: brianv
Dude, just get halo pc



the 2 games play very very differently believe it or not


mouse aiming is a lot easier than stick aiming and keyboard controls can't hope to match a controller

  • 10.08.2005 12:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Budweiser Man 1
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XBL and XBC..now...i know this will make me look dumb and idiotic infront of you lot..but whats he difference? as in what does the L & C stand for?

X Box Live - playing over the internet.

X Box Connect - system linking more than one Xbox together...although there now is a program that lets you use XBC like XBL, but what ever.


ok, thanks man. this helped me alot. thanks

  • 10.08.2005 3:14 AM PDT
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1. We were never planning on making a Halo 1.5. Ever. That was a wishful rumor that refused to die.
2. We don't want to make Halo 1 again... because we already made it once. Sure, you may wish it had extra features, but to us, it would just be the same game, and for very little return, creatively or financially.

No, we are quite comfortable working on our new project. You will never play Halo 1 on Xbox Live.


Why the hell can't some third party company incorporate XboxLive onto Halo1? There weren't very many problems with Halo PC when GearBox did that port, so how hard can it be to make Halo1 XboxLive compatible?

Is it just me or is it sad to hear Bungie making decisions solely on the financial outcome. YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BY MICROSOFT AND HAVE SOLD NEARLY 7 MILLION COPIES OF HALO 2 I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT REVENUES.

I guess i don't just see why there are so many pessimistic people around.

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ive been sayin this for a long, long time....

  • 10.08.2005 8:07 PM PDT
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  • 10.08.2005 8:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
think a little more clearly. try to look into the future...
"Pistols on Wizard"


Don't understand your point here. Pistols on Wizard is a fun game.

  • 10.08.2005 10:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Foahda
No. Halo Xbox Xbox Connect. Also, XBC is much more laggy than XBL, i's jsut those -blam!- cheaters.


XBC doesn't have more lag. Halo CE creates the lag because it wasn't meant to be played online. It dumps too much information. If you play Halo 2 on XBC, you'll find that it has as much lag, if not less than XBL. A lot of people playing on XBC play with more than one person per box, which makes for a less laggy game.

  • 10.08.2005 10:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
1. We were never planning on making a Halo 1.5. Ever. That was a wishful rumor that refused to die.
2. We don't want to make Halo 1 again... because we already made it once. Sure, you may wish it had extra features, but to us, it would just be the same game, and for very little return, creatively or financially.

No, we are quite comfortable working on our new project. You will never play Halo 1 on Xbox Live.


Who said you had to remake it? Just farm it out like you did with Halo PC. You did it before. Just don't give it to Gearbox again. I don't think they did that great of a job on Halo PC.

[Edited on 10/8/2005]

  • 10.08.2005 10:51 PM PDT
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Why the hell can't they take a week, devote that entire week to reworking Halo1 multiplayer coding to make it XboxLive compatible and be done with it, and make a server list, no matchmaking nothing. In fact, why don't they just make a patch on Xboxlive that anyone can download for a fee that would make Halo1 compatible?! Ah stop being so lazy Bungie.

  • 10.08.2005 11:01 PM PDT
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  • 10.09.2005 4:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Budweiser Man 1
It would experience the same drawbacks that Halo 2 has in XBL:* Laggy gameplay at times* immature pricks playing the game* modding, stanbying, bridging, etc


Well thats all true except that there would be no modding. If im not mistaken the only reason there is modding now is because the new maps are saved on the hard drive instead of the disc.. and in this case all the maps would be on the disk preventing modders.

This is why i dont like Halo 2 Not laggy games and annoying kids.

[Edited on 10/9/2005]

  • 10.09.2005 8:28 AM PDT
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Because Halo 1 can't nearly support it, and I'm not paying another 60$ just for online.

  • 10.10.2005 7:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
think a little more clearly. try to look into the future...
"Pistols on Wizard"


Lets look into the presnt.

"Smg start on warlock"

Anyways, play halo 1 on xbc, it's way more fun, especially playing offhost and pulling sick shots.


Whenever someone says the SMg sucks, it means they can't use one. I come in first or second because of using several weapons--one of them is the SMG.

It is not a peashooter. It only matches its user's skill.

  • 10.10.2005 7:07 PM PDT
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No offense, but the halo 1 pistol was a noob weapon. Why should it return?

My bro and I played Halo 1 split screen a while ago. He grabbed a sniper rifle, I grabbed a pistol. His first two shots missed. Then, I zoomed in on him using my pistol, and it went "Bam, bam, bam," and he died.

"What the heck, how did you kill that fast," he said, "you shot me BELOW the head!"
"Well," I said, "let's try again. So we confronted each other at the center of Blood Gulch. It took 4 hits to kill him this time. I still had plenty of ammo to spare.

The match stayed like this the whole time. Before you say 'Well, your brother's a noob," let me tell you: we are equally matched when it comes to Halo 1 and 2. It's the darn pistol and its mile-wide hitbox that allowed me to get an upper-hand in the match.

At least with the BR, it's not as overpowered: it has less ammo, slower rate of fire, and takes more to kill someone with. In Halo PC, you had people racing for the pistol. No one used any other weapon. At least in halo 2, a guy using an SMG can kill a BR user. All weapons are used. Not a single weapon is overpowered; and before you say "what about the energy sword," let me tell you: it's called staying at long range. The only way a sword-wielder will kill you is if you are right in front of him.

If the pistol was still there, you would have the unskilled three-shot kills all over again. And no one would use anything else.

  • 10.10.2005 7:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
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Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Exactly. They never used anything but the pistol. People that were open to all weapons love Halo 2. People that only won with the pistol disliked Halo 2.

I tell you, if that pistol was still here, I would not play Live anymore.

  • 10.10.2005 7:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: dogbert14
Posted by: The Elite_elite
Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Exactly. They never used anything but the pistol. People that were open to all weapons love Halo 2. People that only won with the pistol disliked Halo 2.


Have you EVER played Halopc and/or Halo on a LAN or XBC? The pistol was everyone's FALLBACK weapon. All weapons (except the needler) were used in Halo. Sniper owned the pistol at mid to long range. Guess what. Both you and your brother are noobs. If your brother couldn't kill you with a sniper on Blood Gulch he has got to be one of the worst Halo players ever. Only complete noobs used the pistol all the time in Halo MP. All weapons were used all the time. Not just the pistol.

  • 10.10.2005 8:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Elite_elite
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: dogbert14
Posted by: The Elite_elite
Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Exactly. They never used anything but the pistol. People that were open to all weapons love Halo 2. People that only won with the pistol disliked Halo 2.


Have you EVER played Halopc and/or Halo on a LAN or XBC? The pistol was everyone's FALLBACK weapon. All weapons (except the needler) were used in Halo. Sniper owned the pistol at mid to long range. Guess what. Both you and your brother are noobs. If your brother couldn't kill you with a sniper on Blood Gulch he has got to be one of the worst Halo players ever. Only complete noobs used the pistol all the time in Halo MP. All weapons were used all the time. Not just the pistol.


News flash, fool: my brother didn't kill me with the sniper rifle. He hit me once. I was at close range, that's why. He is no noob. The pistol is a newb weapon. It was no fallback weapon, I played Halo PC all the time. Everyone always used the pistol. All other weapons sat in their places, building up dust.

Next time, give valid criticism instead of resorting to calling a good player a noob, because YOU are most likely the one that has no experience. Just goes to show that you, elite_elite, only used the pistol. All it did was deliver a quick 3-hit kill that required little to no accuracy. I found it was very easy to kill ANYONE with it.

Not all weapons were used in Halo PC. Lemme see, here: shotgun, AR, pistol, RL, fuel rods. That's all. Any plasma weapons? No, because someone could see you from a hundred feet away and kill with 3 bullets.

You are just more evidence that you dislike Halo 2 because of the loss of a handgun. It's a little thing called adjustment; there are new weapons. Get used to them, and go back to the h2sucks.com pit you came from, moron.

  • 10.11.2005 1:57 PM PDT

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I don't need a witty or condescending remark - the truth will do just fine. Read what I said again. I said redoing it would provide very little return, creatively or financially.

When something doesn't have financial return, you either do it because you promised someone it or because it would be fun or otherwise fulfilling. Well, we never promised Xbox Live play on Halo 1 to anyone, and tedious recoding of a 4 year old game to play online only to delay working "the new hotness" that is our next project...

Honestly, that's just dumb. Who would do that?

Posted by: MasterGrief
Why the hell can't some third party company incorporate XboxLive onto Halo1? There weren't very many problems with Halo PC when GearBox did that port, so how hard can it be to make Halo1 XboxLive compatible?

Is it just me or is it sad to hear Bungie making decisions solely on the financial outcome. YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BY MICROSOFT AND HAVE SOLD NEARLY 7 MILLION COPIES OF HALO 2 I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT REVENUES.

I guess i don't just see why there are so many pessimistic people around.

If you happen to reply to this post, make sure you make some witty condescending remark that makes me feel bad as a person inside.

  • 10.11.2005 2:55 PM PDT

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

Posted by: Achronos
You will never play Halo 1 on Xbox Live.


You just ripped out every bone in my body.

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Posted by: Achronos
I don't need a witty or condescending remark - the truth will do just fine. Read what I said again. I said redoing it would provide very little return, creatively or financially.

When something doesn't have financial return, you either do it because you promised someone it or because it would be fun or otherwise fulfilling. Well, we never promised Xbox Live play on Halo 1 to anyone, and tedious recoding of a 4 year old game to play online only to delay working "the new hotness" that is our next project...

Honestly, that's just dumb. Who would do that?

Posted by: MasterGrief
Why the hell can't some third party company incorporate XboxLive onto Halo1? There weren't very many problems with Halo PC when GearBox did that port, so how hard can it be to make Halo1 XboxLive compatible?

Is it just me or is it sad to hear Bungie making decisions solely on the financial outcome. YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BY MICROSOFT AND HAVE SOLD NEARLY 7 MILLION COPIES OF HALO 2 I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT REVENUES.

I guess i don't just see why there are so many pessimistic people around.

If you happen to reply to this post, make sure you make some witty condescending remark that makes me feel bad as a person inside.


really? as i recall xbox live wasn't even around in halo CE days and who says you have to inturupt "the new hotness" i would be more than willing to wait until it is released to be able to play CE online and as mastergrief said, a third party company could just take the game and set it up with live capability


by all means i don't "hate" halo 2 i think it plays better than every single fps out there...say for CE


my hop is for halo 3 to be like an average trilogy

a powerhouse first installment
a more poor second installment meant to use as filler in between
and a even greater powerhouse finale


utopia would come if such a thing is to happen

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Posted by: Achronos
I don't need a witty or condescending remark - the truth will do just fine. Read what I said again. I said redoing it would provide very little return, creatively or financially.

When something doesn't have financial return, you either do it because you promised someone it or because it would be fun or otherwise fulfilling. Well, we never promised Xbox Live play on Halo 1 to anyone, and tedious recoding of a 4 year old game to play online only to delay working "the new hotness" that is our next project...

Honestly, that's just dumb. Who would do that?



Why couldn't Microsoft hand off Halo1 to a third party developer to recode Halo1 to make it Xbox Live compatible? There wouldn't really need to be tremendous amount of Bungie involvement other that just the implemenation of certain concepts and gameplay ideas. And besides, there are tons of quality third party companies that need the money ( Realistically it would bring in at least two million dollars (If Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo can rake in like 7 million in a weekend for $10 a ticket, i think Halo1 with XboxLive could easily bring in 2 million with a single unit costing $50) If you have a fanbase that will dish out 125 million dollars in a single day, you have to expect that at least half of those people will get Halo1 with live...

Oh, and thanks for sparing me the witty remark, I was quite honestly afraid of the public humiliation such a remark could cause...

  • 10.11.2005 4:46 PM PDT