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Posted by: HeavyMetal1
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Exactly. They never used anything but the pistol. People that were open to all weapons love Halo 2. People that only won with the pistol disliked Halo 2.

I tell you, if that pistol was still here, I would not play Live anymore.


Boy I wish that pistol were still here...lol The less noobs the better.

Besides, I use ALL weapons in Halo CE. I loved the shotgun, and yes the assualt rifle. In a map like Chill Out I would never even pick up the pistol. So, your argument is flawed.


1--Most people only use the pistol in a multiplayer match.
2--I don't think I would want a bunch of people scoring 3 hit kills and still have around 147 rounds left. That's not balanced. It makes more noobs, not less.

  • 10.13.2005 6:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: HeavyMetal1
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Before you say 'Well, your brother's a noob," let me tell you: we are equally matched when it comes to Halo 1 and 2. It's the darn pistol and its mile-wide hitbox that allowed me to get an upper-hand in the match.


Maybe you're a noob too and just don't want to admit it.


See, what did I tell you: if you can't defend your own argument, you make stuff up. What, heavymetal, was this a last resort?

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Vitamin, i like how you totally tore apart my post and nit-picked, no ones ever done that to me before. Anyway, funny how you seem to have forgotten the Combo in Halo2...hmm...Funny how that works out like that....Funny how there is actually a defense for the Pistol, yet absolutely no such defense for the Combo...

And i'm not entirely sure, but i'm about 99% sure that the BR has more ammo than the Pistol unlike what you said in your previous post.

It does irk me when people try to throw stupid little arguments like "u r like a n--b" I really wish people wouldn't do that.

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Posted by: MasterGrief
Vitamin, i like how you totally tore apart my post and nit-picked, no ones ever done that to me before. Anyway, funny how you seem to have forgotten the Combo in Halo2...hmm...Funny how that works out like that....Funny how there is actually a defense for the Pistol, yet absolutely no such defense for the Combo...

And i'm not entirely sure, but i'm about 99% sure that the BR has more ammo than the Pistol unlike what you said in your previous post.

It does irk me when people try to throw stupid little arguments like "u r like a n--b" I really wish people wouldn't do that.


Indeed, the BR has more bullets than Halo 1 pistol, but it has less bursts.

There is defense for the combo. It's called taking cover. Or staying far away enough from whoever is using the combo. Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.

  • 10.13.2005 7:05 PM PDT
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Before you go on to say that all Halo>Halo2 fans love the pistol....I'd just like to add that I'm an AR/Sniper fan myself. Maybe I'll use the pistol if the situation calls for it...or if its an outside map...but chances are I'm not using it.

Legendary Campaign without the pistol, granted is tougher thanks to the scope of the maps, but still doesn't bother me. Hunters take I think 12 bashings from the AR. Banshees actually die faster. The flood are the only real threat. Unless you carry a shotgun, in which case your fine.

And yeah I do have a positive win ratio (its very positive), and I usualy end up with the most kills. 4 person FFA on prisoner, pistol and AR starting...I usually win by 10 or 15 to the second place guy. So the pistol is not the "go to" weapon for all people. Some only use it on outside levels.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: MasterGrief
Vitamin, i like how you totally tore apart my post and nit-picked, no ones ever done that to me before. Anyway, funny how you seem to have forgotten the Combo in Halo2...hmm...Funny how that works out like that....Funny how there is actually a defense for the Pistol, yet absolutely no such defense for the Combo...

And i'm not entirely sure, but i'm about 99% sure that the BR has more ammo than the Pistol unlike what you said in your previous post.

It does irk me when people try to throw stupid little arguments like "u r like a n--b" I really wish people wouldn't do that.


Indeed, the BR has more bullets than Halo 1 pistol, but it has less bursts.

There is defense for the combo. It's called taking cover. Or staying far away enough from whoever is using the combo. Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.


Uh... I don't want to intrude on your argument or call anyone a n--b at all, but what about in Beaver Creek? Those guys hide up there and while you're dealing with 2 or 3 guys a apiece, and out of nowhere, 0.5 seconds, and you're gone... How is that justice? I mean, the combo guy could be sniped and whatnot, but not in that 0.5 seconds...

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Posted by: The Elite_elite
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Exactly. They never used anything but the pistol. People that were open to all weapons love Halo 2. People that only won with the pistol disliked Halo 2.


Have you EVER played Halopc and/or Halo on a LAN or XBC? The pistol was everyone's FALLBACK weapon. All weapons (except the needler) were used in Halo. Sniper owned the pistol at mid to long range. Guess what. Both you and your brother are noobs. If your brother couldn't kill you with a sniper on Blood Gulch he has got to be one of the worst Halo players ever. Only complete noobs used the pistol all the time in Halo MP . All weapons were used all the time. Not just the pistol.


Ok I may be late on noticing this, but has he totally contradicted the reason for the halo 1 Pistol?

Pay close attention, I bolded the thing that sparked my interest. He says only complete noobs use the pistol all the time in Halo MP. So, hypothetically, this would mean that the Pistol is a weapon that noobs use, which means that it takes no skill to use, which completely takes back all that people have argued in favor of it. Seriously, anyone that supports the Halo 1 pistol better jump on this...

  • 10.13.2005 10:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: MasterGrief
Posted by: RS JediMaster
The real question is why are you still talking about H CE. There's a H3 game coming out and you want H CE to come out live. Dude, just let it die. You have to look into the future and forget the pass.


And why do you have Family Guy quotes in your sig? Those quotes are obviously from the past, so why the hell would you advertise them if there are obviously going to be new Family Guy episodes with new and funnier quotes. Why do people still talk about Halo2 when there is a new Halo coming out.

Do you really want to know the reason? Because unlike Halo2, Halo1 has genuine re-play value. Most people still play the Halo1 campaign, but very few even now play the Halo2 campaign.

Basically, Halo2 sucks....BUT i'm not saying it sucks in terms of other games, I'm saying it sucks in terms of Halo. If it were just a regular game, it would be the second best xbox game ever, but since it has Halo in the name, it is at a higher standard.

Halo1 just has lasting appeal that shouldn't be shunned, i mean why the hell is everyone so quick to forgot Myth and Marathon and now Halo1? Those could be some of the greatest games of all time, so why should we stop talking about them just because something new and shinier is coming around? We were clearly mislead by the Halo2 marketing campaign, so its hard for me to get excited about Halo3 until i actually get solid details.


You are an idiot, WTF does Family Guy have to do with Halo.

Sorry but you are a dumbass for what you posted.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz

Indeed, the BR has more bullets than Halo 1 pistol, but it has less bursts.

There is defense for the combo. It's called taking cover. Or staying far away enough from whoever is using the combo. Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.


So...wait...how does "taking over" in Halo2 with the Combo which takes about .5 seconds for a kill improve upon "taking over" in Halo1 with the Pistol which took 3 head shots and took like 2-3 seconds at least if done absolutely perfect?

Oh, and in Halo1, the PP didn't have nearly as much guidance as the one in Halo2. And if it does travel slower, it doesn't matter because it was never an issue in Halo1 so i don't see why you even said that.

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Posted by: RS JediMaster

You are an idiot, WTF does Family Guy have to do with Halo.

Sorry but you are a dumbass for what you posted.


It wasn't used in such an elementary way as you imply. It was probably a feeble attempt on my part, trying to incinuate that you insulting people for talking about Halo1 was stupid. The only personal connection i could draw with you was the Family Guy quote in your profile.

You see, after the 2nd grade, we learn to connect two ideas to form symbolism.

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Look, no offense, but H CE is over and done with, Bungie is moving on and so should we. Yes I admit H CE was a better game than H2 in terms of Campaign, but its time to move on and look into H3.

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Posted by: RS JediMaster
Look, no offense, but H CE is over and done with, Bungie is moving on and so should we. Yes I admit H CE was a better game than H2 in terms of Campaign, but its time to move on and look into H3.

But to move on, one must look at the mistakes that were made to make sure they are not done a second time. Thus Halo > Halo2 people argue why Halo 3 should more closely resemble Halo instead of its poor excuse for a sequal.

As said before, Halo 2 is very good at being a game in general, but as Halo's sequal the potential that was shown and not granted is what dissappoints such fans as myself. That game was going to be better, but it became rushed into a deadline and critical sacrifices had to unfortunaty be made. Atleast that is my interpretation from what I have been able to gather from the videos and other ideas.

  • 10.14.2005 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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Posted by: dogbert14
"Pistols on Wizard"


Sounds like fun to me.

yes, and i notice that ur sig says "Halo 1>Halo 2" in it.
just goes to show that most ppl like u like h1 better because of that damn pistol.


Exactly. They never used anything but the pistol. People that were open to all weapons love Halo 2. People that only won with the pistol disliked Halo 2.


Have you EVER played Halopc and/or Halo on a LAN or XBC? The pistol was everyone's FALLBACK weapon. All weapons (except the needler) were used in Halo. Sniper owned the pistol at mid to long range. Guess what. Both you and your brother are noobs. If your brother couldn't kill you with a sniper on Blood Gulch he has got to be one of the worst Halo players ever. Only complete noobs used the pistol all the time in Halo MP . All weapons were used all the time. Not just the pistol.


Ok I may be late on noticing this, but has he totally contradicted the reason for the halo 1 Pistol?

Pay close attention, I bolded the thing that sparked my interest. He says only complete noobs use the pistol all the time in Halo MP. So, hypothetically, this would mean that the Pistol is a weapon that noobs use, which means that it takes no skill to use, which completely takes back all that people have argued in favor of it. Seriously, anyone that supports the Halo 1 pistol better jump on this...


Perhaps I should clarify what I meant. Only complete idiots use the pistol all the time thinking that they'll win. They (unless playing complete noobs as well) will not win.

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Vitamin. Play more people on Halo Xbox than your little brother before you go calling the pistol a noob cannon. Whenever I play against my older brother in Halo I completly destroy him with any and all weapons, does that mean that every weapon in the game is unbalanced? More importantly does that give me the experience needed to claim that the weapons are unbalanced? No to both.


Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.


Sure, it goes slower but it follows you around damn corners.

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Posted by: The Elite_elite
Vitamin. Play more people on Halo Xbox than your little brother before you go calling the pistol a noob cannon. Whenever I play against my older brother in Halo I completly destroy him with any and all weapons, does that mean that every weapon in the game is unbalanced? More importantly does that give me the experience needed to claim that the weapons are unbalanced? No to both.


Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.


Sure, it goes slower but it follows you around damn corners.


1--Nice little assumptions you make. I do play Xbox Live, nearly every day.
2--No, it does not mean that every weapon is unbalanced; but you can kill anyone with relative ease by using the pistol.

3--Enough with the "lack of experience" garbage. I told you how long I've been playing Halo games. By posting what you just did, you are implying that i don't have enough experience to take a side in this arguement. News flash: it's called a right to an opinion. Next time you make ignorant assumptions on someone else's experiences, think twice before making a complete idiot out of yourself.
4--It does not follow you around corners; I gotta add that line to my "trash of the day" list. If you run around a corner, it will hit the wall and disappear. What are you doing in close range with someone who's using the combo, anyway? There's a big hint if someone's using it: his gun is glowing green. I feel sorry for you if you can't catch that little hint. You sure you're not the inexperienced one?

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Posted by: MasterGrief
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz

Indeed, the BR has more bullets than Halo 1 pistol, but it has less bursts.

There is defense for the combo. It's called taking cover. Or staying far away enough from whoever is using the combo. Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.


So...wait...how does "taking over" in Halo2 with the Combo which takes about .5 seconds for a kill improve upon "taking over" in Halo1 with the Pistol which took 3 head shots and took like 2-3 seconds at least if done absolutely perfect?

Oh, and in Halo1, the PP didn't have nearly as much guidance as the one in Halo2. And if it does travel slower, it doesn't matter because it was never an issue in Halo1 so i don't see why you even said that.

I said "taking cover," not "taking over." Meaning the entire post you just made was a complete misunderstanding.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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Vitamin. Play more people on Halo Xbox than your little brother before you go calling the pistol a noob cannon. Whenever I play against my older brother in Halo I completly destroy him with any and all weapons, does that mean that every weapon in the game is unbalanced? More importantly does that give me the experience needed to claim that the weapons are unbalanced? No to both.


Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Besides, a charged plasma pistol bolt travels slower in halo2 than in halo1.


Sure, it goes slower but it follows you around damn corners.


1--Nice little assumptions you make. I do play Xbox Live, nearly every day.


I'm not talking about Halo2 on Live I'm talking about Halo: Combat Evolved on Xbox Connect and/or a LAN.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
I said "taking cover," not "taking over." Meaning the entire post you just made was a complete misunderstanding.


Lol, oops.

Anyway, the point remains. I mean, in both games there are ways to dominate in certain situations, probably more in Halo2.


Spage, i think you stated it perfectly in your previous post. Because if we actually conclude that Halo1 is better than Halo2, shouldn't we be looking at Halo1's example to help make Halo3 a better game?

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Vitamin just stop, you don't know anything about halo ce: if your saying everyone would use te pistol. Ever heard of timing, thats what really decides the match not a pistol.

Don't even start with this tsk every time you use the pistol. Its called strafe. Only idiots walk in a straight line to get tsk'd.

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Vitamin just stop, you don't know anything about halo ce: if your saying everyone would use te pistol. Ever heard of timing, thats what really decides the match not a pistol.

Don't even start with this tsk every time you use the pistol. Its called strafe. Only idiots walk in a straight line to get tsk'd.


1--I don't know anything about Halo CE? Geeze, how many times do I have to say it: I play both games! I know a lot about both games.
2--Where in my post did I say I always get a TSK? I said it was very easy scoring kills with it. Quit taking things and changing the words I post, it makes you look like an imbecile.
3--Know what? I kill strafers with the pistol, too. All you do is aim at the head and fire away!
4--Timing has nothing to do with the pistol; if someone starts shooting at you with it, and you don't know where it's coming from, in what way is timing going to save you? There's not enough cover on Blood Gulch, if they see you, your best bet is to run across and into a cave. But wait--the pistol shoots VERY fast. So then what do you do? Here's what you do: you don't include it in the next game. Instead, you take the pistol's stats and change them around a bit; and that's exactly what Bungie did. The carbine and BR are basically toned-down versions of the pistol. It's fine that way.

And did you forget about hunters? How many pistol shots does it take to kill them? One. How about killing someone on multiplayer? [/b]Three.[/b] How fast does it shoot? Quick enough to kill in less than three seconds. How much ammo can it hold? {/b] Enough to kill 20 people without getting all TSK's.[/b]

Funny how you insult my gaming experience with atrocious grammar skills, and how you can't prove your point. That just kills me.

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Yeah halo1 on xbc is insanely fun. i dont think halo1 on xbl would be any fun.. xbc has no or hardly any lag. NO hackers unlike LIVE and you can play with your friends.. much funner
maybe thats why i hate halo2..

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz

Funny how you insult my gaming experience with atrocious grammar skills, and how you can't prove your point. That just kills me.


Too bad the rest of us can't kill you...Just Kidding of course.

Anyway, in another thread, you mentioned using teamwork to take down the Combo users, so why in Halo couldn't you use those same tactics to take down the Pistol user? I mean if it is so easy to take down Combo-ers using simple teamwork, utilizing cover and such why can't you do that in Halo1 with the pistol?

Why do you keep talking about Hunters? That is completely irrelevent in this discussion. Oh, and when you say that pistols should be weak and a last resort, what do you think of Desert Eagles and .357 magnums? Those are some of the most powerful guns in the world, with the exception of sniper rifles. I mean, every gun has a different role, the AR was the rapid shooting bad-ass gun, the rocket was the bad-ass explosion gun, the pistol was a bad-ass weapon like the Desert Eagle.

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Posted by: MasterGrief
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz

Funny how you insult my gaming experience with atrocious grammar skills, and how you can't prove your point. That just kills me.


Too bad the rest of us can't kill you...Just Kidding of course.

Anyway, in another thread, you mentioned using teamwork to take down the Combo users, so why in Halo couldn't you use those same tactics to take down the Pistol user? I mean if it is so easy to take down Combo-ers using simple teamwork, utilizing cover and such why can't you do that in Halo1 with the pistol?

...The pistol user had other advatnages that the combo user didn't. For example, the combo-user's PP bolt took a while to reach the other player, whereas someone using the pistol could kill in less than three seconds after the first shot was fired.

Besides, couldn't a pistol user use the combo as well? Simply grab a PP, charge and release, whip out the pistol, and fire once.

Why do you keep talking about Hunters? That is completely irrelevent in this discussion. Oh, and when you say that pistols should be weak and a last resort, what do you think of Desert Eagles and .357 magnums? Those are some of the most powerful guns in the world, with the exception of sniper rifles. I mean, every gun has a different role, the AR was the rapid shooting bad-ass gun, the rocket was the bad-ass explosion gun, the pistol was a bad-ass weapon like the Desert Eagle.

1--I'm talking about hunters to enforce the reason why the pistol shouldn't return; the hunters were too easy to kill when you had a pistol.

2--The rest of your post explains why pistols and AR's should be powerful. So what you're saying is, the pistol is SUPPOSED to be that strong, correct? Well, then why can't we just leave the RL tracking as it is, since you just said that the weapons are SUPPOSED to be powerful...why can't we just leave the sword as it is, then? You clearly said that the weapons were supposed to be that strong. So you mean that we should leave all strong weapons in Halo 2 alone. Good job contradicting yourself.

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Posted by: conan1845
Yeah halo1 on xbc is insanely fun. i dont think halo1 on xbl would be any fun.. xbc has no or hardly any lag. NO hackers unlike LIVE and you can play with your friends.. much funner
maybe thats why i hate halo2..


1--Don't like Live? Then play campaign.
2--Cheaters shouldn't affect whether or not you like the game.

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I've been playing halo and halo 2 for three years now. I love halo 2, i like it slightly better than halo one, (probably cause of the new maps) but I always used the halo 1 pistol. the arguments that vitamin is putting forward would be valid, if every halo player had perfect aim all of the time. I only had live for 4 days, and got to level 20. I dont know if this is good or bad, but my experience of halo 1 says that, yeah, its possible to kill someone in 3 seconds, if they are standing still and not shooting you. Like I said, I dont know how good I am in relation to everyone else, but i was the best at my numerous LAN parties, and I continiue to be the best of my friends, but it usually takes me 5-6 shots from a pistol for me to kill someone, if I see them first.

On another issue, if the pistol was a noob gun, then theoretically, all players should do just as well with it. At my aforementioned LAN parties, all my friends were at least reasonable at the game. In pistols only, i always, without exeption, won. The same for most other gametypes. I'm not saying im better than anyone, but skill has a large amount of bearing on who wins in a pistol duel, or a pistol vs. anything else duel. The pistol, like all other weapons, is only good if used in the correct circumstances. If I'm on hang 'em high, and someone with a shotgun charges me from the other side of the map. that person will be killed by my pistol. If i charge at someone iside a corridor when they have a shotgun, i am almost certianly going to lose.

Finally, i have heard argument that the pistol can beat most other strategies. Have you ever tried shotgun camping with a pistol? I thought so. It wouldn't work. there are lots of other strategies that work against the pistol.

  • 10.15.2005 6:05 AM PDT