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I think the Covenant knew all along about the location of Earth .. VGer. Uhmm
Think about it this way -- Some of them know English (Basic) and they zeroed in on many planets (even those without Forerunner Artifacts) without any outside assistance. They likely have studied us for a while - and only came to Earth when they were good and ready.

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[color=purple]I like what you said at the end about the last firing of the Halo coinciding with the appearence of humans on earth.[/color]

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the books i thought made it pretty clear the location of earth wasn't known by the covies

though it could have been purposely misleading, i think they may have hinted more towards the human race thinking the convenant was without knowledge of earth's location rather than making it clear the covenant didn't know where it was. maybe they kenw, maybe they didn't.

but it would make the cole protocol pretty useless huh lol

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Yep -- and the books were mostly from the Humans point of view when talking about Earth -- The Covenant POV sections never mentioned the location of Earth.

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I have several ideas on how the Covenant "found" the location of Earth. One is, they got navagation data from Gov. Jiles asteroid colony. If you remember, Jiles and his men/women abandoned the Ascendent Justice, and right after doing so, the Ascendent Justice, their only hopefull defense, left the system. This action effectively left what ever data was on the asteroid, and it's ships, for the Covenant. Remember, the rebel colony wasn't apart of the UNSC. It's likely they didn't follow the Cole Protocol.

Not soon after these events happen, Cortana intercepts a transmission from the Covenant's "Interstellar Email Sytem" detailing the Covenant's plans for Earth.

Just a thought:)

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True! Except for the evacuation didn't occur until late in first strike -- with as many ships and troops the Covenant had mustered, they likely were there for a while.

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I agree the covenant would likley need prior knowledge of Earth's location, rather than the asteroid data theory, the prior knowledge would explain the language and the refueling, coordinating jumppoint. I have theory, not nearly as complete as Eagle's nor GameJunkieJim's. That theory has it's base as the ARK world, with the covenant being the reminant of vast league of worlds that is vengeful towards the human race (which at one time was a member of this league of worlds) for their prior use of the Halo pulse. Remember, 343GS asks "Why would you hesitate to do, that which you have already done?". The covenant might not have agreed with the decision to activate Halo and therefore would view the human race as the one responsible for wholesale genocide. The reason for the covenant hegemony not acting sooner could possibly be explained by the massive damage sustained in the first Halo pulse. The human gap in tech and history explaining the forerunner is much more difficult, and I don't care to get into it, yet. The perversion of history within the covenant is more easily looked upon as a myth told through thousands of generations, but still holding the basis, while changing the minute. The base of the Myth being "remember the truth seek the power of those before and avenge!" This would explain the fanatical religious belief of the covenant. Then again, I don't think I can back this theory up, with much more than a gut feeling. After, reading First Strike, it just seemed to have that kind of a feel to it.

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Does anyone remember the name of the sattelite that Nasa sent off with instructions on how to get to Earth?

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Which one? There where a couple Voyager space craft that carried that data.

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Posted by: kungfudoc426
I agree the covenant would likley need prior knowledge of Earth's location, rather than the asteroid data theory, the prior knowledge would explain the language and the refueling, coordinating jumppoint. I have theory, not nearly as complete as Eagle's nor GameJunkieJim's. That theory has it's base as the ARK world, with the covenant being the reminant of vast league of worlds that is vengeful towards the human race (which at one time was a member of this league of worlds) for their prior use of the Halo pulse. Remember, 343GS asks "Why would you hesitate to do, that which you have already done?". The covenant might not have agreed with the decision to activate Halo and therefore would view the human race as the one responsible for wholesale genocide. The reason for the covenant hegemony not acting sooner could possibly be explained by the massive damage sustained in the first Halo pulse. The human gap in tech and history explaining the forerunner is much more difficult, and I don't care to get into it, yet. The perversion of history within the covenant is more easily looked upon as a myth told through thousands of generations, but still holding the basis, while changing the minute. The base of the Myth being "remember the truth seek the power of those before and avenge!" This would explain the fanatical religious belief of the covenant. Then again, I don't think I can back this theory up, with much more than a gut feeling. After, reading First Strike, it just seemed to have that kind of a feel to it.


Many good points - except that you would almost have to agree to the theory that Humans are the Forerunner to make it work -- Humans were not that advanced (at all advanced) 100,000 years ago - so I'm thinking they wouldn't have been part of an alliance - unless they were in fact Forerunner -- In which case - the Foreunner(Humans) figured out a way to lock out part of their brain, which would explain why many scientists believe that we only use 10-15% of our brains ability. With noteable exceptions like Dr. Stephen Hawking, and Marilyn vos Savant.

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It wasn't Voyager -- Maybe Viking...
No Viking was the Mars probe

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It was SO Voyager -- I was wrong! It's a record with language clips - Photos - and directions to Earth

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It was Voyager 1, and Voyager 2. Click here--->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record

You know what is sad, I had to ask a Trekkie. Remember Star Trek the movie.

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http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/index.html LOL I had the same idea -- this is a 15 minute movie...

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Posted by: Nedus
well Eagle,i think that GS is going off to another Halo installation,for unknown reasons. think about it,if you were GS,and your Halo ring was destroyed,would you hang around for very long?? maybe he's the one who gave the coordiantes for Earth to the Covenant.

i know they got the coordinates somewhere else in the books,but i think Bungie would make the game so that people who didnt read the books can play the game and understand the story without having to go buy the books.


Sorry to jump in late...but to answer your question. The Covies found Earth by sticking a motion tracker on the Irqoius. It was after a huge battle. But I don't recall the name!

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I am awed by this entire thread, except for DIE HRD SPARTAN, lol. I have one question or two though;

Assuming Halo was used to protect Humans from the pulse, or atleast that one Halo (maybe others were made for other species?), that would mean when it was built they already knew about the flood and its purpose was to store them? Otherwise you wouldnt need to protect Humans from a pulse, because you wouldnt need a pulse.

Second, if Halo protected humans from the pulse, which would only be activated for a Flood outbreak, wouldnt you be keep the humans right next to the Flood? because the flood is already released...

Dont mean to poke holes (if I did) I just want to understand it all like you do...I think?

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your a -blam!-

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I should have explained my theory better. I don't think the forerunners are a particular race more likely they are just the ancestoral government that are seen as Gods by the Covenant due to the high proportional value associated with truth and power, ie...advanced technology, many cultures when confronted with suprerior or vastly different technology will look to mystacism to explain it. The league of worlds would be the forerunners, and the firing of Halo would have enacted a universal throwback in technology for those not prepared. That is the biggest hurdle, maybe the human faction of the Forerunner government wanted a fresh start without the guilt, or maybe there was an immediate retalliation from the covenant faction, who knows. The humans gap in understanding the covenant and forerunner history is disturbing, however there is ample proof that someone with enough genetic markers similar to us was a member of the forerunners, otherwise those referrences in the books are made just to confuse the issue.

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Posted by: NormL

Sorry to jump in late...but to answer your question. The Covies found Earth by sticking a motion tracker on the Irqoius. It was after a huge battle. But I don't recall the name!


I completely forgot about that! Good memory ;)

Edit- and It wasnt a motion tracker, it was a signal beam that would send a signal to the homeworld of its location, after a certain length of time, and that is if and only if it is aimed with amazing accuaracy, the book mentions this in a way that makes me doubt it could have gotten the signal all the way home, but it is indeed a very possible ...not theory because its true...um...thing.

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