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Assuming Halo was used to protect Humans from the pulse, or atleast that one Halo (maybe others were made for other species?), that would mean when it was built they already knew about the flood and its purpose was to store them? Otherwise you wouldnt need to protect Humans from a pulse, because you wouldnt need a pulse.[color=red]That logic would only work if you believed that the nuclear bomb would not have been built if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbor, somebody will always crave a apocalyptic weapon. In other words, there is no such thing as a gun that is too big[/color]

Second, if Halo protected humans from the pulse, which would only be activated for a Flood outbreak, wouldnt you be keep the humans right next to the Flood? because the flood is already released...[color=red]That particular Halo ring kept the flood, that does not mean that all Halo facilities carry the flood, the flood were also put there for study AFTER the first pulse. You must also remember the Flood's main desire was to leave Halo, suggesting that after an outbreak a Halo facilitie would almost certaintly be deserted of Flood. Hope that helps, you have some very good points[/color]

Dont mean to poke holes (if I did) I just want to understand it all like you do...I think?

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Posted by: Raptor040
I am awed by this entire thread, except for DIE HRD SPARTAN, lol. I have one question or two though;

Assuming Halo was used to protect Humans from the pulse, or atleast that one Halo (maybe others were made for other species?), that would mean when it was built they already knew about the flood and its purpose was to store them? Otherwise you wouldnt need to protect Humans from a pulse, because you wouldnt need a pulse.

Second, if Halo protected humans from the pulse, which would only be activated for a Flood outbreak, wouldnt you be keep the humans right next to the Flood? because the flood is already released...

Dont mean to poke holes (if I did) I just want to understand it all like you do...I think?


No problems - and I'll try to answer your questions the best I can. I believe that the Halos were built for Non-Specific protection and study of Galactic races - Primarily study - and protection in case of a threat to the research - And the Flood on the Halo was contained until the "other species" on Halo let them out. If the Forerunner were there - then they would have had Guardians at the entrances to the Cells where the Flood were.

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Hmmm, quite a different look on things JIM....I quite like your idea of the installation 004 not being made specifically for the Flood. It makes good sense and all, i mean, really, why would they make all the weather conditions and what not anyways. The Flood do not need that. But then why put the flood on the ring world in the first place if it was not meant for them?? Why not make a new more suitable residense for the virus. Where did the Flood come from anyway? (dont answer that...) Maybe the "arrival" of the flood was so quick and unprepared for, the forerunners had to act fast and use the ring world for now.
However, if say, the ring world were created for some other being (humans) then why install it with the blast radius? Or maybe this was incorporated into the ring world after the flood were put there. Well, good theory, but so many loose ends that might be true but....its really very hard to tell. I mean, you are interpreting the quotes in a toally new fashion for some parts...i dont really know what to think anymore

PLUS, GS did say this installation was SPECIFICALLY build to contain and exam the flood. But then again, why all the weather and gravity.....And you also talk about the general term "installation" hhmmm to much to take in.

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Posted by: kungfudoc426
I should have explained my theory better. I don't think the forerunners are a particular race more likely they are just the ancestoral government that are seen as Gods by the Covenant due to the high proportional value associated with truth and power, ie...advanced technology, many cultures when confronted with suprerior or vastly different technology will look to mystacism to explain it. The league of worlds would be the forerunners, and the firing of Halo would have enacted a universal throwback in technology for those not prepared. That is the biggest hurdle, maybe the human faction of the Forerunner government wanted a fresh start without the guilt, or maybe there was an immediate retalliation from the covenant faction, who knows. The humans gap in understanding the covenant and forerunner history is disturbing, however there is ample proof that someone with enough genetic markers similar to us was a member of the forerunners, otherwise those referrences in the books are made just to confuse the issue.


This is an awesome line of thinking -- I'm going to see if that goes anywhere by checking my notes tomorrow...

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Posted by: PieFresh_
Hmmm, quite a different look on things JIM....I quite like your idea of the installation 004 not being made specifically for the Flood. It makes good sense and all, i mean, really, why would they make all the weather conditions and what not anyways. The Flood do not need that. But then why put the flood on the ring world in the first place if it was not meant for them?? Why not make a new more suitable residense for the virus. Where did the Flood come from anyway? (dont answer that...) Maybe the "arrival" of the flood was so quick and unprepared for, the forerunners had to act fast and use the ring world for now.
However, if say, the ring world were created for some other being (humans) then why install it with the blast radius? Or maybe this was incorporated into the ring world after the flood were put there. Well, good theory, but so many loose ends that might be true but....its really very hard to tell. I mean, you are interpreting the quotes in a toally new fashion for some parts...i dont really know what to think anymore


I think the Flood were put there as an afterthought -- Maybe the Forerunner wanted to use them in experiments with the (relatively) unadvanced humans and see what they could do?

And the blast radius - as I've said before was simply a preparedness kit of sorts -- Like bullets - they don't have a specific target when they leave the factory.

And sorry about the loose ends -- I left them there so it could be interpreted freely.

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All right Jimmy buddy, you ready for this? I've read your theories and I see you've thought about this a ton! Congrats...now here is my rebuttle. I know you've already seen this....but for discussion sake I'll post it here with a few quotes from our AIM discussion. First you left your personal thoughts outta of this for some reason...people I'm going to bring them to life.

OUR DISCUSSION!

PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:43:21 AM): where did the idea of the forerunners transplanting human life come from?
gamejunkyjim (12:44:28 AM): Well - Halo is an interstellar object -
gamejunkyjim (12:45:03 AM): The odds of such an interstellar object as having an Earth similar atmosphere AND gravity are rather slim
gamejunkyjim (12:45:28 AM): So I think that the Halo was created to House something from Earth
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:45:41 AM): i see all of that....but did we devolve from the forerunners or did they see us as a species worth saving
gamejunkyjim (12:46:40 AM): Either or -- I left that up to interpretation -- But my personal thoughts --
gamejunkyjim (12:47:29 AM): I think the Flood were a bad experiment - and the forerunners after saving what they could of their galaxy, figured out a way to lock of part of their brain.
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:48:38 AM): lock out part of their brain? do you mean the forerunners making their brain sleep or someting to that effect
gamejunkyjim (12:49:07 AM): Well kinda
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:49:20 AM): so we are the forerunner?
gamejunkyjim (12:49:36 AM): I think that we WERE the Forerunner
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:50:01 AM): why if the flood were so dangerous would we then want to forget about them?
gamejunkyjim (12:50:17 AM): I think that because of the brain tampering that the few forerunner that are left are still around
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:50:39 AM): and by the way...you are all wrong about how the covies found earth
gamejunkyjim (12:50:44 AM): Because it's human <?> nature to fix the things they've screwed
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:51:24 AM): still doesnt make sense to leave a threat like that locked away then just say...you know what....im not skerd
gamejunkyjim (12:52:12 AM): It was more about self preservation than anything else I think --
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:52:31 AM): EXACTLY.....forget and get harmed....remember and save
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:53:00 AM): I think they found our developing species and saved us.....then moved us back
gamejunkyjim (12:53:16 AM): That could be true as well --
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:53:24 AM): also, why isnt this in the library
gamejunkyjim (12:53:33 AM): That's why I left it open to interpretation
gamejunkyjim (12:53:49 AM): Because it's theory on how Halo 2 wraps thing up
PaDRe SouTH eAsT (12:53:54 AM): ahh


Go ahead people...read and discuss!

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Nah, theories are not mutually exclusive, nor are they set in stone. Einstein had hundreds of theories of relativity before he came up with energy equals mass times the speed of light squared (E=mc^2). I personally have more than 10 theories on the flood's origin, not all of them share the same ammount of probability, but one does not automatically invalidate another.

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why dont u just wait till nov. 9th and instead put your time towards doing someting more constructive, like saving trees.

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I am saving trees - I'm typing this on my computer instead of using paper.


no no, u said you have "papers everywhere"... o wuzzup now

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Posted by: kungfudoc426
Nah, theories are not mutually exclusive, nor are they set in stone. Einstein had hundreds of theories of relativity before he came up with energy equals mass times the speed of light squared (E=mc^2). I personally have more than 10 theories on the flood's origin, not all of them share the same ammount of probability, but one does not automatically invalidate another.


I know -- There was a reason I left things out -- one was to provoke conversation - and the other was lack of evidence. I didn't want to muck up the theory with undue circumstance - I didn't want to let personal views on minor details cloud the big picture -- and I wanted to hear other peoples interpretations...

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I am saving trees - I'm typing this on my computer instead of using paper.


no no, u said you have "papers everywhere"... o wuzzup now


Got me there -- But it's ok - I recycle.

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An Elaboration of ARK theory.

Well I want to look at it this way. If said Halo was fired how ever many years ago - then it stands to logic that the others fired too. Now we have the Prophets, the Brutes, Elites, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Engineers, and Humans. All in similar stages of progress, just built better for certain tasks. My thoughts are to the Halos housing all of them. The Halo that we already visited had an Earth Similar atmosphere and gravity.Now think about this - What are the odds of a "random" object having an Earth similar gravity? How about an Earth similar Atmoshpere? Well What are the odds of both happening? If it was intended to be like Earth - then the odds are pretty good. If it really is a random object, then nada - Wouldn't happen. So we can assume with relative certainty that the Halo was created to contain something that lived on the Earth. As blossoming sentient races- The Forerunner decided to study the humans , Prophets, etc... and created the Halos as a place of study and experiment -

Enter the Flood -- For whatever reason - the Flood threaten the sentient life on the galaxy. The Forerunner capture a few and quickly learn the basic nature of the Flood - They also realize how they work - and decide that they don't want a Prophet Flood combat form, and a brute would be frightening as well, So they put it with the least threatening race that still has the cognitive capability of supporting Flood - The Forerunner are scientists after all. So they were going to run experiments maybe. (I don't think the grunt has quite enough capability - at least I never saw a Grunt Combat Form.)

So human nature being as volitile as it is, we of course get pissed off. We revolt, and accidentally release the Flood (The first outbreak) The Forerunner put it down and as a punishment to us - makes our race the Reclaimers. Wearing combat suits, we have to make it through the Library as a test of our worth. If it wasn't a test - the Monitor would have simply teleported us to the index. This was a punishment as it would have forced the Humans to see the damage they did in releasing the flood. If they had the Forerunner issued class 12 armor - then it probably would have been no sweat. Well the other races put down the humans, and it builds over the 100,000 years until the Covenant find us. Anyway that's a tangent I just ran off on - and My theories suck so I'll catch you later -- Hurricane Charlie's coming for me...

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
An Elaboration of ARK theory.

Well I want to look at it this way. If said Halo was fired how ever many years ago - then it stands to logic that the others fired too. Now we have the Prophets, the Brutes, Elites, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Engineers, and Humans. All in similar stages of progress, just built better for certain tasks. My thoughts are to the Halos housing all of them. The Halo that we already visited had an Earth Similar atmosphere and gravity.Now think about this - What are the odds of a "random" object having an Earth similar gravity? How about an Earth similar Atmoshpere? Well What are the odds of both happening? If it was intended to be like Earth - then the odds are pretty good. If it really is a random object, then nada - Wouldn't happen. So we can assume with relative certainty that the Halo was created to contain something that lived on the Earth. As blossoming sentient races- The Forerunner decided to study the humans , Prophets, etc... and created the Halos as a place of study and experiment -

Enter the Flood -- For whatever reason - the Flood threaten the sentient life on the galaxy. The Forerunner capture a few and quickly learn the basic nature of the Flood - They also realize how they work - and decide that they don't want a Prophet Flood combat form, and a brute would be frightening as well, So they put it with the least threatening race that still has the cognitive capability of supporting Flood - The Forerunner are scientists after all. So they were going to run experiments maybe. (I don't think the grunt has quite enough capability - at least I never saw a Grunt Combat Form.)

So human nature being as volitile as it is, we of course get pissed off. We revolt, and accidentally release the Flood (The first outbreak) The Forerunner put it down and as a punishment to us - makes our race the Reclaimers. Wearing combat suits, we have to make it through the Library as a test of our worth. If it wasn't a test - the Monitor would have simply teleported us to the index. This was a punishment as it would have forced the Humans to see the damage they did in releasing the flood. If they had the Forerunner issued class 12 armor - then it probably would have been no sweat. Well the other races put down the humans, and it builds over the 100,000 years until the Covenant find us. Anyway that's a tangent I just ran off on - and My theories suck so I'll catch you later -- Hurricane Charlie's coming for me...

If you add it up, there are seven total races: Brutes, Prophets, Hunters, Grunts, Elites, Jackals and Humans. Seeing as it takes 7 Halo rings to wipe the Milky Way clean of life, maybe each ring is suited to a different race. If this is correct, we've already blown up our ring. I believe the rings have more purpose than Cortana or Guilty Spark suggest. Good work again Jim, very nice.

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
An Elaboration of ARK theory.

Well I want to look at it this way. If said Halo was fired how ever many years ago - then it stands to logic that the others fired too. Now we have the Prophets, the Brutes, Elites, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Engineers, and Humans. All in similar stages of progress, just built better for certain tasks. My thoughts are to the Halos housing all of them. The Halo that we already visited had an Earth Similar atmosphere and gravity.Now think about this - What are the odds of a "random" object having an Earth similar gravity? How about an Earth similar Atmoshpere? Well What are the odds of both happening? If it was intended to be like Earth - then the odds are pretty good. If it really is a random object, then nada - Wouldn't happen. So we can assume with relative certainty that the Halo was created to contain something that lived on the Earth. As blossoming sentient races- The Forerunner decided to study the humans , Prophets, etc... and created the Halos as a place of study and experiment -

Enter the Flood -- For whatever reason - the Flood threaten the sentient life on the galaxy. The Forerunner capture a few and quickly learn the basic nature of the Flood - They also realize how they work - and decide that they don't want a Prophet Flood combat form, and a brute would be frightening as well, So they put it with the least threatening race that still has the cognitive capability of supporting Flood - The Forerunner are scientists after all. So they were going to run experiments maybe. (I don't think the grunt has quite enough capability - at least I never saw a Grunt Combat Form.)

So human nature being as volitile as it is, we of course get pissed off. We revolt, and accidentally release the Flood (The first outbreak) The Forerunner put it down and as a punishment to us - makes our race the Reclaimers. Wearing combat suits, we have to make it through the Library as a test of our worth. If it wasn't a test - the Monitor would have simply teleported us to the index. This was a punishment as it would have forced the Humans to see the damage they did in releasing the flood. If they had the Forerunner issued class 12 armor - then it probably would have been no sweat. Well the other races put down the humans, and it builds over the 100,000 years until the Covenant find us. Anyway that's a tangent I just ran off on - and My theories suck so I'll catch you later -- Hurricane Charlie's coming for me...

If you add it up, there are seven total races: Brutes, Prophets, Hunters, Grunts, Elites, Jackals and Humans. Seeing as it takes 7 Halo rings to wipe the Milky Way clean of life, maybe each ring is suited to a different race. If this is correct, we've already blown up our ring. I believe the rings have more purpose than Cortana or Guilty Spark suggest. Good work again Jim, very nice.


Thanks - but there are 8 races -You forgot Engineers
But I'm sure some share Halos...


Unless the Engineers were descended from the Forerunner -- It would explain why they can fix everything...

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
An Elaboration of ARK theory.

Well I want to look at it this way. If said Halo was fired how ever many years ago - then it stands to logic that the others fired too. Now we have the Prophets, the Brutes, Elites, Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, Engineers, and Humans. All in similar stages of progress, just built better for certain tasks. My thoughts are to the Halos housing all of them. The Halo that we already visited had an Earth Similar atmosphere and gravity.Now think about this - What are the odds of a "random" object having an Earth similar gravity? How about an Earth similar Atmoshpere? Well What are the odds of both happening? If it was intended to be like Earth - then the odds are pretty good. If it really is a random object, then nada - Wouldn't happen. So we can assume with relative certainty that the Halo was created to contain something that lived on the Earth. As blossoming sentient races- The Forerunner decided to study the humans , Prophets, etc... and created the Halos as a place of study and experiment -

Enter the Flood -- For whatever reason - the Flood threaten the sentient life on the galaxy. The Forerunner capture a few and quickly learn the basic nature of the Flood - They also realize how they work - and decide that they don't want a Prophet Flood combat form, and a brute would be frightening as well, So they put it with the least threatening race that still has the cognitive capability of supporting Flood - The Forerunner are scientists after all. So they were going to run experiments maybe. (I don't think the grunt has quite enough capability - at least I never saw a Grunt Combat Form.)

So human nature being as volitile as it is, we of course get pissed off. We revolt, and accidentally release the Flood (The first outbreak) The Forerunner put it down and as a punishment to us - makes our race the Reclaimers. Wearing combat suits, we have to make it through the Library as a test of our worth. If it wasn't a test - the Monitor would have simply teleported us to the index. This was a punishment as it would have forced the Humans to see the damage they did in releasing the flood. If they had the Forerunner issued class 12 armor - then it probably would have been no sweat. Well the other races put down the humans, and it builds over the 100,000 years until the Covenant find us. Anyway that's a tangent I just ran off on - and My theories suck so I'll catch you later -- Hurricane Charlie's coming for me...

If you add it up, there are seven total races: Brutes, Prophets, Hunters, Grunts, Elites, Jackals and Humans. Seeing as it takes 7 Halo rings to wipe the Milky Way clean of life, maybe each ring is suited to a different race. If this is correct, we've already blown up our ring. I believe the rings have more purpose than Cortana or Guilty Spark suggest. Good work again Jim, very nice.


Thanks - but there are 8 races -You forgot Engineers
But I'm sure some share Halos...


Unless the Engineers were descended from the Forerunner -- It would explain why they can fix everything...

Just realized that...oopsie. Anyway, I'm still thinking GS doesn't know as much as he thinks. Maybe the Forerunners hid some secrets of Halo from him...
I mean, you saw how hellbent he was on activating the Installation, who knows what he'd do if he knew everything?

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LOL I agree completely Uber - My next Theory is gonna be the "Janitor Theory" to explain 343 GS. (Just kiddin guys)

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Someone before asked where the monitor would be flying off after halo was destroyed. I think he's probably going to another Halo to activate it, as it seems that is all he wants to do.

In your theory you said the installation wasn't halo because the monitor kept refering it to as THE installation, but in a later dialogue you posted the monitor says "THIS installation has a range of 25...." so your probably right the installation isn't halo but it is the control room.

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Anything on that ring could be considered installation....

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What you said about Halo being designed for Humans made me think back to the Flood.

Here's a little add-on theory:

Maybe the Forerunner's were at war with the Covenant, or something. And maybe we (the Humans) were allies with the Forerunner's. So, in order to save us from the Covenant, the Forerunner's built the Halo's for us to go hide in. But then you go back to why the Flood was in the Installation. The Forerunner's wanted to make something that would kill the Covenant or whoever = The Flood. And the expirement went wrong, so they evacuated. Or, the Forerunner's were at war with the Flood, but this would bring up something completly different.

This theory is dumb the more I think about it, and try to improve apon it.
Let me know what you think of this?

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