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Subject: Who here likes Halo 3 better than Reach?
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Posted by: XSLAYER720
Ok Guys, I think that were taking it a little too far, yes, we agreed that Halo 3 was better than Halo Reach, but that doesn't mean that its a bad game, I love Reach, its awesome, yes I agree with you in saying that Halo 3 was better, but still, you have to give Bungie some credit, I think that the multiplayer is still good, even if it doesn't compare to Halo 3. People have preferences, and this is way too far:
Posted by: Sliding Ghost

[quote]It's even worse in campaign. Troopers, Noble Team. They don't hang back with you. They charge in there, give away said player's position, etc. Oh and Noble Team do everything without Noble Six or leave it all to Noble Six. The concept of hyper lethal vector was poorly implemented. Reach is abomination!!


I agree with part of it, but thats a little far: 'Reach is abomination!!' don't you think?

-Tom
I must be harsh on Bungie. They were overwhelmed by demands and consented. They just gave up (although they did give Halo to someone else to manage), as shown by the 2011 Bungie Day.

But on the other hand, H3 was supposed to be their last work. M$ got them to make one more when they didn't want to. And M$ were the ones who released a piss poor Reach demo, not Bungie, which is why I hate Reach so much...

So yes, I should reduce or stop the attacks on Reach (that's what I was planning anyway).

CE shows that Bungie once had creativity (in the sense of balanced gameplay and reasonable difficulty. I don't hate on the AAs, bloom, etc.).

H2 shows that Bungie has daring.

[Edited on 01.16.2012 4:04 PM PST]

  • 01.16.2012 4:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ShieldyPoo
U Mirin?

Why don't you do any work on your chest or legs or something? You look like a cartoon character.

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Lucky bastard

  • 01.18.2012 10:38 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

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regular bastard

^ jokes

[Edited on 01.18.2012 11:43 PM PST]

  • 01.18.2012 11:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: ShieldyPoo
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Lucky bastard
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  • 01.19.2012 4:27 PM PDT

I feel like I just played Halo 3 waaaaay too much to get back into it. I'm excited for Halo 4, I hope it'll be as awesome and revolutionary as Halo 3 was.

Reach is actually a good game to me, I play it, but I don't really play Halo 3 because there's very few players because they're all playing Reach.

  • 01.19.2012 8:28 PM PDT

I enjoy them both. although I didn't get into Halo 3 as much since I was a late adopter back in Oct. 2009. Also, it didn't help that MW2 came out a month later, followed by the Bad Company 2 online demo, THEN Bad Company 2, THEN by that time the Reach beta was out. you can kind of see how it all went along for me....

but I have been playing a little H3 lately because there are a few aspects about it that I appreciate over what Reach offers(off the top of my head); the maps, the jumping physics, BTB, and I would list Infection if they hadn't taken DXP weekend out....Reach's infection blows hard.

don't really understand why some people try so hard to discredit Reach though. yeah, I can understand some complaints, but then there's the people who're trying to claim H3 is better at everything. making yourself oblivious to the good because you're upset with a few other changes isn't a rational way of going about things like that.


  • 01.21.2012 11:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: ARuff360
don't really understand why some people try so hard to discredit Reach though. yeah, I can understand some complaints, but then there's the people who're trying to claim H3 is better at everything. making yourself oblivious to the good because you're upset with a few other changes isn't a rational way of going about things like that.


Well, Reach reversed the improvements made by H3. There was good progress thanks to H3 and Reach made a return to CE-H2. But isn't that supposed to be a good thing? After all, that is what people demanded. Not when the interpretation is too literal.

H1 and H2 gameplay is not determined by jump height, op guns, physics, or any of that stuff. H1 had a balanced weapon sandbox, consistent AI, a lot of realism. H2 had a new and wickedly awesome rifle, a new perspective and began the Halo lore, had better scripting, etc.

Where was this in Reach?

The weapons were horrific. The enemy AI were op while the friendly AI sucked ass. The realism was noticeably missing. The BR was replaced by the DMR, which is only a utility weapon, not a fun and awesome weapon. We never saw things from the Covenant side and the Halo lore was missing; the story sucked. Reach's scripting was so horrible... the friendly AI are terrible drivers. And the absence of spectacular Scarab fights... *shudders* Even though H2's Scarab was scripted, that was more fun than 2 Scarabs which do nothing.

The things that they "restored" was also done horribly:

-incompetent friendly AI that are slow at everything, even slower than the CE marines
-lower jump height, even lower than in CE. Grenade jumps are so freaking difficult
-terrible physics. I can send AI flying, splatter Jackals without even trying, and the troopers always get splattered (and would splatter me in turn if I had Reach)
-powerful plasma pistol which has a horrible overcharge but AI spam that overcharge, which brings us to the most important part

-cheap AI. A complete disregard of fairness and balance. Even H2's Elites were fun to fight if you gave them a chance. Reach's Elites are never fun to fight. Assassinating them is entertaining, but it's not fun when it takes me a hundred of tries to get it right. Stupid -blam!- Grunts and Jackals always getting in the way. Kill stealing Pelicans taking my Ultra Elite prey. Elites berserking too much. And let's not get into Jackals...

Reach assassination runs, it ain't worth it! I was only able to do it because they were distracted. It's the same thing on other levels as well by what I've seen. CE assassination runs were way better because they were reasonable and realistic. Even if they were focused on me and weren't distracted, I could pwn their ass, even Zealots!!

It's not just about Halo 3. The game is -blam!-, an insult to CE, H2, and H3. Had it been it's own game, it would have done fine with some improvements. AA's and Bloom, that's ok, if done correctly. But messing with (as in messing up) the core of the Halo campaign: the lore, the AI, the locations, the exploration and mystery, the weapons, the realism (but not too realistic, like CoD), the physics!! That's unacceptable!


Every long rant I make against Reach is inspired by how it has taken classic Halo and worsened it instead of improving it. Oh and the Reach demo. The Reach demo is what convinced me that M$ were just out for money, money, money. And that means graphics, graphics, graphics; multiplayer, multiplayer, multiplayer.

But since the friendly AI that spawn later on Installation 04 seem to be decent, it looks like 343 might have some creative freedom... and sense of what is Halo.

CEA was disappointing in some aspects but it is like ODST, a game long forgotten but having deeper meaning, more than Reach.

I don't care if H4 ends up implementing -blam!- like Bloom (which is unlikely anyways), as long as it does it properly and doesn't worsen the core.

Also, I don't care if I have to deal with a damage sponge enemy, as long as it's fun to fight.

Bad damage sponges: H3 Pure Forms, H2 Brutes, Reach Jackals

Fun damage sponges: Ultra Elites, H1 Zealots, H3 Brute Chieftains

[Edited on 01.21.2012 3:11 PM PST]

  • 01.21.2012 2:41 PM PDT

Prophet OWNS YOU

Oh man, I thought I was the only one that thinks that H3 is better than Reach. :D

  • 01.21.2012 5:20 PM PDT

I played halo reach for over a year.back on h3 cos I think it's a lot better game.

  • 01.22.2012 2:01 AM PDT

Yep

Halo 3 is better in everything except forge.

  • 01.22.2012 6:45 AM PDT

finally Im not alone you people have restored my faith in humanity thank you halo 3 is just so much more fun

  • 01.22.2012 1:38 PM PDT
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Same. Halo 3 Golden Age RIP. H3 is dead as the game gets no support. It gets boring fast while Cod is always evolving and right now is the better game (I'm referring to Black OPs and MW3 obviously)
Posted by: H3F Mythic
Yeah, not a huge fan of Reach. Too slow and boring for me.

On the other hand, Halo 3 has little amount of players, so I've started playing CoD. Reach is just..... Terrible.

  • 01.22.2012 2:47 PM PDT

Last member of the i4Ni clan.

lag switches
-blam!- host advantages
lack of weapon diversity

now tell how reach has worse multiplayer?

  • 01.22.2012 2:57 PM PDT

MW3... Ive lost faith in humanity again

  • 01.22.2012 3:00 PM PDT

Halo 3 is by far the best. The campaign was brilliant, never had as much fun on a campaign before or after this game. The noble team were a bunch of idiots with only emile and jun being gd (also kat gets owned by a little jackal lol!). The vehicle levels were superb and the Battle Rifle was such an amazing weapon. The online maps were really good, ye the forge isn't as good to use but the items in it were much more useful, e.g. pallets, barriers, etc. How on earth can we make gd zombie maps on reach such as omega journey, look in the sky, or zombie lock in? Reach had no scarab battles, the maps are no were near as good (except for the anniversary ones) and the vehicle maps are no were near as fun either. Only reason I have gone back to play reach more regularly is to play the classic halo maps from 1 and 2.
PSA: All Call of duties are the same each time with only a minor change to make it seem "new" when really it is the same content used over and over again. There's no originality in it. The campaigns are easily forgotten whilst they rip you over with 1200mp dlc. The only gd thing about cod is zombies and even tht gets boring too.

[Edited on 01.22.2012 3:25 PM PST]

  • 01.22.2012 3:21 PM PDT

Life Is For My Own To Live My Own Way. <3

I still play... :)

  • 01.22.2012 9:20 PM PDT

I was originally The Chad118 but had to switch my windows live I.D.s so i had to create a new Bnet account for my GT anyway. I am The Chad118 Leeroy Jenkins of Halo.

I find my self switching between both. I like all the Halo games equally. They each have ups and downs to them. Which is the reason I prefer Halo to CoD. I don't like to pay $60 for the same stuff every year. I'd rather wait 1-3 years and get something new.

  • 01.22.2012 9:28 PM PDT

Last member of the i4Ni clan.

lol inb4bloom

  • 01.22.2012 9:42 PM PDT

I like Halo 3 custom games more than Reach's. I find Reach's multiplayer to be more enjoyable though.

  • 01.24.2012 4:29 PM PDT

Please drop price of ODST or at least put maps on marketplace Bungie! :(

Reach is garbage, I reached for the eject button back in 2010 and sold the game immediately.

  • 01.24.2012 11:08 PM PDT

Yep

But halo 3 isn't so fun anymore.

  • 01.25.2012 6:23 AM PDT

Reach was fun at first, but it got too easy. Halo 3 actually takes some skill to win at. Halo 3's multiplayer (vehicle camera angles, character animation, grenade and vehicle physics, NO ARMOR LOCK THANK GOD!!!!!) is far better. Halo 3 wins in campaign......screw it. Halo 3 wins absolutely. Only problem was they didn't think of the vetoing and multiple game choices at once until Reach. Too late now.

[Edited on 01.25.2012 4:46 PM PST]

  • 01.25.2012 4:45 PM PDT

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Halo Reach is -blam!- terrible.

Halo 3 > Halo reach

  • 01.26.2012 3:32 AM PDT

Relax. I'd rather not piss this thing off.

-Master Chief

Halo Reach is fun but Halo 3 is more entertaining, even though i do like the firefight in Reach. Halo 3 all the way!

  • 01.26.2012 10:08 PM PDT