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Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
no it wouldnt be possible for a single UNSC ship of any size to take on a super carrier, in TFoR it tells of them having high power lasers that outranged the UNSC mac cannons, if it really wanted to it could sit and just carve up any ship it wanted, correct me if im wrong but can't their shields take a super MAC impact as well?

and for any naval engagement it UNCS has to outnumber the covenant force by 3 times.
No the Covenant Super Cruiser had longer range than the MAC Platforms, get your facts straight :)

  • 10.30.2010 3:11 PM PDT

BOB

In short, no, the UNSC cannot take it out, without the slipspace bomb method they used.

"That MAC gun can put a round clean through a Covenant Capital Ship." Sergeant Johnson, talking to the Master Chief on board the Orbital Defense Platform Cairo.
A super mac has a lot more energy than a ship mounted mac gun. Roughly its... (1/2mv^2) so its 9x10^9 Joules for a ship and around 2x10^20 Joules for a mac station.
EDIT::(found it on halopedia) No known ship, UNSC or Covenant, has been shown to survive the impact of one of these rounds. Against Covenant shield technology, the rounds possess enough kinetic energy to punch through shields, cut through the ship, and, upon exit, still retain enough energy to cripple or destroy a second ship.
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[Edited on 12.17.2010 3:43 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 3:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
If it truly as 27km long, I don't think even an SMAC can knock it out.

It's about the same size as Unyielding Heirophant which had a shield strong enough to 'repel the collision of a small moon'.

**WARNING - SCIENCE**

I stopped reading here.

  • 12.17.2010 3:36 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
If it truly as 27km long, I don't think even an SMAC can knock it out.

It's about the same size as Unyielding Heirophant which had a shield strong enough to 'repel the collision of a small moon'.

**WARNING - SCIENCE**

We use Earth's moon as an example. It has an orbit speed of around 1022m/s and a mass of 7.3477x10^22kg.

If Heirophant was to place itself in the path of Luna's orbit, it would subject itself to an impact energy equivalent to 3.837x10^28J of energy - roughly equivalent to a 9,171 Petaton detonation of TNT - or 9 quintillion tonnes of TNT.
An SMAC has an impact force of between 5 and 50 gigatons of TNT (depends on your calculation). Even using the larger value for impact force, it would take well over 180 million SMAC rounds to do the same damage - and even then, it would still have shields, or at least hull.

In short, no, the UNSC cannot take it out, without the slipspace bomb method they used.


yeah, but I wouldn't call Luna small. If we use Phobos, it's a mere 5 teratons. If Deimos, it's only 300 gigatons. But there's other considerations that may be more important than just energy.
That was nothing more than a quick calculation that I did this morning.

Luna was the only moon I knew the name of, and it's obviously nowhere near small - it's around a fifth the size of Earth.
Energy calculations are just really to give a layman's on the situation, because everyone can understand numbers, if maybe not to such scale. Not to mention, everyone's heard of 'The Moon', and maybe Io if they were paying attention in Halo 2. Figures are to be taken as a brief example, and not at face value.

But there are a lot of assumptions I put into it myself - that the Supercarrier actually IS 27km long, that it has the same shielding system and power output as that of the Unyielding Heirophant, and also that it was stationary upon impact.

I think the main point with being struck by a moon, is that everyone on board would be killed by the acceleration provided by being hit by a moon, even if the collision itself was actually deflected by the shield. Laws of momentum.


actually the Encyclopedia states Covie ships have inertia cancelers that practically slap Newton in the face. Getting struck by an object does not buffet the crew in the slightest

[Edited on 12.17.2010 5:28 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 5:28 AM PDT

BOB

Even if it is true that the ships have inertia cancellers, Covenant shields could never take damage simultaneously over such a large area, thats easily proven by "The Keyes Loop" where a covvie destroyer gets rammed by a UNSC destroyer and whose shields get badly damaged
EDIT :: just remembered in halo 3 when high charity appears a small section breaks off and punchs a hole straight through a capital ship. I think the covenant ships simply cannot withstand impacts with large areas of damage, it overloads their shields

[Edited on 12.17.2010 7:35 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 6:06 AM PDT

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They would just have to shoot it with a Plasma Pistol and the shields would go down.

  • 12.17.2010 6:16 AM PDT

Posted by: TheDocSprinkles
They would just have to shoot it with a Plasma Pistol and the shields would go down.


There are a couple of Ultras and a certain Field Marshall who would disagree with that. More Ultras and some Zealots in H2 campaign also.

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