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Subject: No driving with flag = annoyance
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Posted by: Agamemnon
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Posted by: Agamemnon
Again less halo less balance, less fun.

You're just angry because not everybody else in the world plays like you do. Everyone has different plaing styles, and your's has apparently taken over your mind, telling you that it IS the one and only way to play Halo. Well, hate to burst your happy little bubble, but it's not.

Pwned.

First of all if u knew how to read u might of found out that i was not complaining about different playstyles. Before u start making stupid statements get the facts.
Second i play mostly as strategy style gamplay in halo, i hate the people who just run off and get them selves killed because they tried to tackle to enemy tanks by themselves. It is stupid. But making stategy and teamplay the only way to win is about as stupid as your post.

I know you weren't, maybe you should learn how to read. Anyway, you were making it sound like you couldn't use strategy once in a while. I'm not saying strategy is the only way to win a fight, I'm saying it's good to use sometimes.

Yes using strategy is good, but if you make it the only way it is stupid. That is what this is doing requiring there be communication between the team members so they know. If there is non you cant win. That is what bungie needs to correct.

That I can agree with. Halo isn't a tactical shooter, if it was the marines would be a lot smarter, lol.

  • 08.13.2004 11:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: Agamemnon
No actually for me half the times when i drove an emty warthog RIGHT in frot of someone they just ran around it got themselves killed and we lost. This is true for everyone i know who has ever played XBC or anything else like that.

Well you can't expect good teamwork on XBC. You are not able to easily communictate in real time. And its usually only 4 player which is not that fun on large maps with vehicles.

On Xbox Live you have your communicator, better able to coordinate attacks and ask for a pick up. There will also be more people to fully fill the larger vehicles maps to the minimum players necessary.

  • 08.13.2004 11:43 AM PDT
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To a certain degree I think it would be good because it promotes teamwork. However it should be an option like "Can not drive with flag". But for all the people who say it is to be realistic, think of this, a heavily armored soldier holding a rocket launcher, several rockets, and a sniper rifle riding a ghost seems sort of unrealistic.

  • 08.13.2004 11:59 AM PDT
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Yes but thats more realistic then other games where you can hold four different kinds of rifles, like 6 pistols, three shotguns, etc, etc.

  • 08.13.2004 12:04 PM PDT
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This is the future man. All light weight polymers and stuff. Besides he's master chief! I do think driving is a bit unfair with the flag. Though it will be easyer to kill a player on a vehicle with them being destructable. I think Making a flag man a passenger is just fine, myabe not gunner.

  • 08.13.2004 12:05 PM PDT
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You cant drive with the Flag. I like this a ton better. This will stop those who just run in on ghosts get the flag and get out. With flag driving out it is way more of a team game.

  • 08.13.2004 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: jshine77
I like the no-driving with the flag, should make CTF a lot more tactical.
more like more craptical

  • 08.13.2004 12:13 PM PDT

Posted by: GruntyMcGee
Your team is only as strong as your weakest player.


that's not accurate. if it were, then it would be impossible to have rankings in the postgame carnage report. if one of your teammates never shoots the entire game, the other teammates are better than he is. your team is better than the weakest player. in fact, a good team is better than the sum of its members. a bad team is about as good as the sum of its members, but good teams use teamwork and strategy and stuff that makes it a very effecient group of players.

perhaps you were thinking "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link," because that is true, since the chain is held together at any given point by one single link. in theory, a perfect team is held together at all points by all members.

anyway, agamemnon, if you don't want to use strategy when playing ctf, then just get real good and be able to shoot everyone who tries to kill you when you are walking back to your base with the flag. there definately are multiple ways to win, not only team strategy, bvut bungie is making it where team strategy is the BEST way to get things done. if one player is way better than everyone else, then brute force is possible. in halo 2, a flag cap will be a lot harder and less will depend on random luck or an accident. this will definately be better in my opinion, since now orginized teams will be able to beat less organized teams even if the orginized team has worse players.

  • 08.13.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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Yes but now that vehicles are destructible you wont have to worry about the person running of in a ghost just blow it up, making it that u cant drive wiht the flag and u have destructable vehicles is as unbalanced as what Halo was. I d it in halo that you had indestructible vehicles and you could drive with the flag, it was so annoying to see the enemy just hop in a warthog and run off and there was nothing i could do about it. I dont see why everyone is getting all upset about it (including me). So what would be a compromise. Maybee they should make it so that you can put the flag onto the vehicle somewhere. Then u arent driving with the flag the flag is just on the vehicle. Any one can get out go around and get the flag. If someone shoots it it falls out. This way people cant just run away with the flag, you can a) destroy there vehicle or b) shoot the flag, so it requires teamwork to keep u from being blow up but at the same time if there isnt any team work there is stll a chance to win. This satisfies the people who want to drive with the flag but also the people who dont. You aren't driving with the flag it is simply on the vehicle. You can get out but it doesnt automaticly come you have to get it out just like you were picking it up. Tell me what you guys think of that idea. This way the vehicles like the Ghost or ATV dont become useless in CTF.

  • 08.13.2004 5:52 PM PDT
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that kind of sucks but i guess it makes it more realistic. That would be cool if you could duel weild with the flag.

  • 08.13.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: zoomsteadysnipe
that kind of sucks but i guess it makes it more realistic. That would be cool if you could duel weild with the flag.

What does.

  • 08.13.2004 6:04 PM PDT
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They're trying to be more realistic, not being able to giant like meter flag in your hand is hard, except you could just put it somewhere .. I think taking away the flag/drive option is idiotic. Instead of having to get away with the flag a player down, you now have to get away with the flag 2 players down trying to cover ..

  • 08.13.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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i think its a good idea from the e3 video it looks like it takes a little while to destroy vehicle and i helps people from sneaking over in a ghost taking your flag and driving back ive lost a lot of CTF matchs because some one would do that and no one could do anything about it and it would be even worse with the new boost feature on the ghost and banshee

[Edited on 8/13/2004 8:29:21 PM]

  • 08.13.2004 8:28 PM PDT
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O.K., first off, I don't think it's stupid, but he is making good points. I'd like it if the with the ATV you could shove it into the back, maybe thats what the handles are for. Any other vehicle would be stupid though.

  • 08.13.2004 8:51 PM PDT
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Does everyone realize what this guy is ranting on about....

He's saying Halo 2 will suck because you have to use strategy, how the hell will it suck? If anything the game will be much better, and dont tell us Halo 1 was so different, we've all played it. Just think about it, the flag is huge and you carry it with 2 hands, how realistic is it if you can drive and carry the flag? Bungie knows what's best, it was cheap to drive with the flag in Halo 1. Roll with the punches boy, Halo 2 aint going to change you cant drive with the flag anymore. PERIOD.

Edit: Also there's more than 1 way to win CTF it doesnt always resolve around driving vechiles. In Blood Gulch you could use the caves to sneak back to your base. You say Halo 1 was balanced? You are wrong, Halo 2 is fixing the little things that were exploited before. CTF has always been based on strategy whoever thinks CTF doesn't require strategy is an idiot.

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  • 08.13.2004 8:52 PM PDT
Subject: No driving with flag = annoyance
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they're probably gonna save their asses and make it optionable

  • 08.13.2004 8:53 PM PDT
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DRIVING WITH A FLAG!? how dense must you be!!!!!!!!!!! lemme see you drive with a flag! lemme see you drive with a huge mo hawk even! if the roof is closed in...this is a horrible idea to be able to carry a flag when driving and if you could on the comp version...which I donot have...YET thats lame and should be removed...it not realistic...maybe if you could place the flag on your vehicle but not carry it while driving...

  • 08.13.2004 9:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: CheesyChief
Does everyone realize what this guy is ranting on about....

He's saying Halo 2 will suck because you have to use strategy, how the hell will it suck? If anything the game will be much better, and dont tell us Halo 1 was so different, we've all played it. Just think about it, the flag is huge and you carry it with 2 hands, how realistic is it if you can drive and carry the flag? Bungie knows what's best, it was cheap to drive with the flag in Halo 1. Roll with the punches boy, Halo 2 aint going to change you cant drive with the flag anymore. PERIOD.

Edit: Also there's more than 1 way to win CTF it doesnt always resolve around driving vechiles. In Blood Gulch you could use the caves to sneak back to your base. You say Halo 1 was balanced? You are wrong, Halo 2 is fixing the little things that were exploited before. CTF has always been based on strategy whoever thinks CTF doesn't require strategy is an idiot.


He is not ranting about halo 2 sucking, he's saying that he doesn't like the inability to drive, but the whole halo=no strategy thing is retarded. Of course it requires strategy, thats why it's good.

  • 08.13.2004 9:23 PM PDT
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  • 08.13.2004 9:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rob 254
Animegnome, you try driving with an 8 foot flagpole in your hands
o yeah, and theres no need to, you can sprint in halo 2, "quickly doubling your normal running speed.


when you carry the flag your walking speed is slowed down, and i don't think you'll be able to sprint with the flag. i think what they are doing with the flag is awesome and makes it a team effort and will make games last longer. some of you are just gonna have to evolve.

  • 08.13.2004 10:29 PM PDT
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Its the way the game goes.

Don't cry over it.

  • 08.13.2004 11:38 PM PDT
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Just remember buddy, the other team has to deal with the same thing. It's not like this handicaps you AT ALL.

  • 08.14.2004 12:12 AM PDT

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